Since no ones brought this up, figured I would.
If anyones been missing out on this, lets go over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS9aTbhdFyw
So anyone not bothering to watch, Sarah Jeong is a newyork times editor or tech worker or something, who wrote out some very racist tweets, but targeted at white people, and been doing so for years. She being of Asian decent herself, you can't even in this context claim it was just white self loathing, this was flat out racism.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Djs-zbNVsAAW50z.jpg)
There is no context here, if you replace white with black, it would flat out be seen as racism.
But its the reaction given, or lack there of, that is very telling. Newyork times stands by her, pretty much flat out ignoring what she said as if it wasn't a big deal.
https://nextshark.com/new-york-times-asian-reporter-tweets/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPgwB5Btu8k
I'm guess I'm just curious on how some of my left leaning fellow atheists (or theistic following) here feel about this, since it covers some pretty high levels of hypocrisy.
As this also Broke, several famous youtubers just talking about this case, were hit hard by youtube or twitter for so much as speaking about it, TJ kirk banned on twitter for making a mockery of her tweets, which, you know, was mockery not serious, he got banned while she hasn't been banned from twitter.
Basically E Asian chauvinism, aka their plan per Japan in 1941, or China today, to replace Western Civilization with a different ethnicity (but same technology). Think racism per Japanese culture (most racist on Earth). And Chinese look down on Koreans and Japanese.
Quote from: Baruch on August 11, 2018, 08:34:53 PM
Basically E Asian chauvinism, aka their plan per Japan in 1941, or China today, to replace Western Civilization with a different ethnicity (but same technology). Think racism per Japanese culture (most racist on Earth). And Chinese look down on Koreans and Japanese.
turns out, she's from south Korea, which when you consider the history, south korea isn't under a dictatorship like north korea, because of how america controlled the region back after WW2, and how the country has managed to grow since then, into currently the 11th richest nation on earth.
Yet despite that fact, she came to america, a white majority nation, and decided to hate on whitey, despite probably never having faced hardship or reason to hate white people genuinely in her life.
But, thats all laid out. The real problem here is why is it okay for a south korean given american citizenship, allowed to be a racist cunt on social media to people in the country they took her in, yet people mockery her tweets are banned or penalized for doing so.
Quote from: Munch on August 11, 2018, 08:48:53 PM
turns out, she's from south Korea, which when you consider the history, south korea isn't under a dictatorship like north korea, because of how america controlled the region back after WW2, and how the country has managed to grow since then, into currently the 11th richest nation on earth.
Yet despite that fact, she came to america, a white majority nation, and decided to hate on whitey, despite probably never having faced hardship or reason to hate white people genuinely in her life.
But, thats all laid out. The real problem here is why is it okay for a south korean given american citizenship, allowed to be a racist cunt on social media to people in the country they took her in, yet people mockery her tweets are banned or penalized for doing so.
Korean chauvinism Gangnam Style! It is said ... that Indian IT guys in Silicon Valley prefer to hire their own "kind" also. Don't worry, as a post-European you can be a field hand coolie for your Asian overlords. Just don't pull a rickshaw for a living, it quickly leads to heart failure. As was predicted by "Animal Farm" some animals are more equal than others. This applies to any kind of political view.
Quote from: Baruch on August 11, 2018, 08:54:00 PM
Korean chauvinism Gangnam Style! It is said ... that Indian IT guys in Silicon Valley prefer to hire their own "kind" also. Don't worry, as a post-European you can be a field hand coolie for your Asian overlords. Just don't pull a rickshaw for a living, it quickly leads to heart failure. As was predicted by "Animal Farm" some animals are more equal than others. This applies to any kind of political view.
it is pretty amusing how such literal pieces written a while back can bear such relevance to todays climate. Amusing, and terrifying.
Still i suppose it falls into being how those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Quote from: Munch on August 11, 2018, 09:08:04 PM
it is pretty amusing how such literal pieces written a while back can bear such relevance to todays climate. Amusing, and terrifying.
Still i suppose it falls into being how those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Western people appear to be the dumbest of the dumb. Regular Beavis & Butthead.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 11, 2018, 09:23:43 PM
I think it's actually pretty important that this is brought up.
I have a problem that the people calling for her head are the same people who defend Donald Trump, Milo Yiannopoulos, Sean Hannity (fuck it, let's just say FOX News), and other people who's entire careers circle around this exact same type of identity politics "satire" (trolling & intentional divisiveness).
You cant have your cake and eat it too; if you are crying for someone's head because they said something derogatory towards your group, yet agree with, sing praises and share videos of people who do the exact same thing towards outside groups... well, you reap what you sow. The same people who cry about her saying this are the exact same people who say that people should have the right to be as offensive as they want or even that people should not be punished for being offensive. That double-standard is not acceptable.
My hope is that people on the right realise that how they feel about her tweets is exactly how PoC, women, the "left", etc. feel when professional "News" organizations or the president of the United States behaves in the exact same manner.
Imagine how offensive it is coming from some random writer you have never seen of nor heard of before, and will never hear orf see again... now imagine you receive that type of abuse from people in the real world, from people you might have respected, from coworkers or family... that that type of abuse is ingrained into our culture, that our media propagates it and that our elected politicians all the way up to the president spew that type of abuse on nearly a daily basis.
Her defense is shaky at best, but I do fully believe one thing; she said she did this as "satire" to the people who throw the exact same (or worse) type of abuse at her, a tongue-in-cheek "fuck you" to the people who constantly attacked her for her race, and she regrets doing it because now the conversation has shifted from the fact she was racially abused (and addressing that) to the fact that she used racially abusive language.
If we are going to have a conversation about this, it should be about racially abusive, or frankly any "identity" abusive rhetoric being incorporated into one's rhetoric. That is the root issue at the end of the day.
You do understand what the implications of her tweets cause right? She is essentially promoting violence against white people in a majoritive white nation.
It is the same as a white person going to live in a middle eastern country, and then spreading around messages online about how they hate middle eastern people, calling for violence against them or how they find it funny when old middle eastern men die.
Saying 'oh well so and so did this so that makes it okay for her to say it' is bullshit, only any line drawn, it doesn't matter if people on the right have been promoting the same level of violence on social media against minorities, it doesn't excuse her for doing the same thing.
Quote from: Munch on August 11, 2018, 08:29:12 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Djs-zbNVsAAW50z.jpg)
Watching Rogue One with friends (meh) so not watching the videos, but if these are representative of her racist tweets I'd say it's overblown by half.
Quote from: Munch on August 11, 2018, 08:48:53 PM
turns out, she's from south Korea, which when you consider the history, south korea isn't under a dictatorship like north korea, because of how america controlled the region back after WW2, and how the country has managed to grow since then, into currently the 11th richest nation on earth.
That's an interesting take on South Korean history
(https://www.americanthinker.com/images/bucket/2018-08/208307_5_.png)
I just did a essay about Korea in general.
After World War II two super powers was introduced: the capitalist society: the United States of America and the communist society: the Soviet Union (Russia). After the end of the war when territories were dived Korea was split into two. North Korea taken by the Soviet Union and South Korea taken by the United States of America. The two sides of Korea who war allied by the superpowers would continue the war known as the Cold War, which was a series of tensions and battle between the super powers, for decades. In the 1950’s for example , North Korea with the help of China invaded South Korea only to cause a stalemate when the United States of America with the help of the United Nations came in to defended South Korea. Since then the United States of America has kept a firm grip of a huge army of soldiers in South Korea, much to the South Koran’s dismay. Because of that dismay Southern Korea looked on at the United States of America with resentment and sought to create better relations with North Korea, which they did in the late 1990’s with gifts of food and industrial investment. However in 2008 when North Korea started nuclear testing those relations were broken. In 2010 North Korea denied sinking a Southern Korean navy ship and later North Korea’s military fired artillery shells at a southern Korean island killing a few people. This prompted a reason for South Korea to look to the United Stats for closer relations as tensions between South and North Korea rose, to the point that in 2013 South Korea and the United States were doing training exercises and North Korea response to that was to bring it on. Today in 2018 North Korea and United Stats have had peace talks which is all a ploy for United States since North Korea won’t disarm it’s nukes per agreement. The history of North Korea is that they were made to be a ticking time bomb by the Soviet Union and Russia still is in the equation to which I hope it will not lead to WWIII. South Korea is much like what France is to Great Britain, a lacky, and their nation is very dependent to the United States. They are the result of the Cold War’s rivalry and till the end of time unfortunately.
So there was tension among South Koreans with Amrica but North Korea it is more. Drumpf "peace talks" can cause both srtife with South Korea who has took the front of North Korea's bullying and hostilities. Despite their trying to mend the friction the Soviet Union and America caused, North Korea gives in to hate and nationalism the way Adolf Hitler did when Germany took a beating from Post Word War I. This suggest that South Korea also has feelings of the same way but need the USA to protect them from this monster from the past.
Angr from this is reeasonabl because Russia and USA are whitish countries. However when given education and nourishmnt as wll as a tickt to liv in the USA should told hr not all is black and white. The education should tell her not to hate but to love and understand .
Today there is a sickness in the world that started as a good intention with civil rights and quality to evolve into a hateful institution idea that believes like a authoritarian state telling people what kind of information can be displayed, who should be labeled as a "Nazi" or "Sexist" or "racist" and acting like and doing the very thing the Nazi's did. This hat full group who promotes diversity (non white), Gender quality (not males), Civil rights, and religious freedom says that this woman can say anything because she is Asian and therefore diverse and her privilege (which mans the less privileged should have more than the most) is poison and is spreading. But this institution is profitable for those higher up so the higher ups green light this while denying it. Radical liberal who are known to be in this institution are also emotional and easily manipulated because of this.
So unfortunately, nothing will happen unless her boss has some sense in firing this incompetent racist fool. I' mean seriously she attracts unwanted attention to newspaper with her grammatical errors and "locker talk" despite being a fucking newspaper editor. It's not worth ethic like at all.
I've found that those who whine against supposed "racism against white people" (whatever that might be, because in 52 years I have never encountered it in a Western country) tend to be racists.
Edit: Sorry to remove all my posts, but I remember now why I took a few day break from the forum... this just isn't worth it anymore.
I know several people are going to like my posts, and I would like to think it's because I have something interesting or thoughtful to say but I feel like it ultimately probably just comes down to "us vs them" and I am arguing on the same side. Maybe I'm dead wrong and if I am my apologies for implying you are like that... it's only because I feel like I have been that way for awhile on this forum and am projecting it on yall.
As for the two people I ever argue with... I just cant do it anymore. The negativity is just not worth it when everything I say is just completely ignored and even if I said something they agree with they will quote it back at me and attack me for something I never even said. There is no point anymore.
I have justified it as trying to shut down a hateful ideology (which it still is) and make sure it wasn't left unopposed, but more and more it's become just a matter of, "Your regressive opinion annoys me.". Until I can get back to demolishing them for what they are rather than demolishing them because they are annoying, I just don't have it in my anymore.
Again, sorry to anyone who is wondering why all my posts here just disappeared. I knew I should have stayed on my vacation but I talked myself into one honest response and then when what I knew what would happen happened I responded out of sheer annoyance.
See! Pure emotion.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 12, 2018, 03:01:19 AM
Edit: Sorry to remove all my posts, but I remember now why I took a few day break from the forum... this just isn't worth it anymore.
I know several people are going to like my posts, and I would like to think it's because I have something interesting or thoughtful to say but I feel like it ultimately probably just comes down to "us vs them" and I am arguing on the same side. Maybe I'm dead wrong and if I am my apologies for implying you are like that... it's only because I feel like I have been that way for awhile on this forum and am projecting it on yall.
As for the two people I ever argue with... I just cant do it anymore. The negativity is just not worth it when everything I say is just completely ignored and even if I said something they agree with they will quote it back at me and attack me for something I never even said. There is no point anymore.
I have justified it as trying to shut down a hateful ideology (which it still is) and make sure it wasn't left unopposed, but more and more it's become just a matter of, "Your regressive opinion annoys me.". Until I can get back to demolishing them for what they are rather than demolishing them because they are annoying, I just don't have it in my anymore.
Again, sorry to anyone who is wondering why all my posts here just disappeared. I knew I should have stayed on my vacation but I talked myself into one honest response and then when what I knew what would happen happened I responded out of sheer annoyance.
That is a choice. I regret it. It sounds like giving up. But it is a legitimate choice.
This site is not the entire world. Leaving is not removing yourself from reality. Fare well...
#WALKAWAY?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2018, 03:53:33 AM
One always has the right to leave...
I think you missed the point.
#Walkaway is a meme (https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/walkaway)
Quote from: pr126 on August 12, 2018, 04:15:05 AM
I think you missed the point.
#Walkaway is a meme (https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/walkaway)
That is always possible. I interpreted her post to say she was leaving. Did I miss something there?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2018, 04:27:48 AM
That is always possible. I interpreted her post to say she was leaving. Did I miss something there?
Yes, it is "him" with a big black beard.
Quote from: Atheon on August 12, 2018, 02:53:28 AM
I've found that those who whine against supposed "racism against white people" (whatever that might be, because in 52 years I have never encountered it in a Western country) tend to be racists.
Yeah because only white people can be racist..
Quote from: pr126 on August 12, 2018, 04:40:23 AM
Yes, it is "him" with a big black beard.
1. When I don't know someone well, I have to go with the avatar.
2. If you use an avatar that is deceptive, that's your problem.
I don't feel the least embarrassed about that.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2018, 05:03:22 AM
1. When I don't know someone well, I have to go with the avatar.
2. If you use an avatar that is deceptive, that's your problem.
I don't feel the least embarrassed about that.
Should have a look on the photos we send in of ourselves thread for confirmation, most of us have done a face reveal on it.
Btw this was the tweet that got TJ Kirk banned on Twitter.
(https://i.gyazo.com/831a9271b6c7ac3e6a54afedcc45a2a5.png)
A tongue in cheek pisstake on her tweets targeting the newyork times in the kind of style you'd find on an episode of faulty towers, and he gets banned, meanwhile she can keep all her hateful tweets up.
Quote from: Munch on August 12, 2018, 05:12:46 AM
Btw this was the tweet that got TJ Kirk banned on Twitter.
(https://i.gyazo.com/831a9271b6c7ac3e6a54afedcc45a2a5.png)
A tongue in cheek pisstake on her tweets targeting the newyork times in the kind of style you'd find on an episode of faulty towers, and he gets banned, meanwhile she can keep all her hateful tweets up.
I'm not sure what to make of this. JT Kirk would be a Star Trek joke. Racist tweets in any direction are probably not good. I would suspect a troll.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2018, 05:17:15 AM
I'm not sure what to make of this. JT Kirk would be a Star Trek joke. Racist tweets in any direction are probably not good. I would suspect a troll.
That's the point, he's trolling NY times because of the hypocrisy, and when this got him banned, all it did was prove a point he'd been making.
Quote from: Munch on August 12, 2018, 05:21:29 AM
That's the point, he's trolling NY times because of the hypocrisy, and when this got him banned, all it did was prove a point he'd been making.
OK Munch, I'm really not getting this. What am I missing? Is this a gay issue or is it an atheist one?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2018, 05:29:35 AM
OK Munch, I'm really not getting this. What am I missing? Is this a gay issue or is it an atheist one?
Why does it have to be either or any of those? Can be more then just about one aspect of a person's ideology, or sexual identity. As someone who follows a freedom of speech outlook, the reason why this is hypocritical is how one platform allows for blatant racism to be ignored, while banning someone else for mocking racism in the same manner that said platform was ignoring.
Quote from: Munch on August 12, 2018, 05:36:34 AM
Why does it have to be either or any of those? Can be more then just about one aspect of a person's ideology, or sexual identity. As someone who follows a freedom of speech outlook, the reason why this is hypocritical is how one platform allows for blatant racism to be ignored, while banning someone else for mocking racism in the same manner that said platform was ignoring.
Because it is probably one or the other or the other. We can't discuss an issue if you aren't specific about the issue. If it is about racism, just say so. Same about gay rights or atheism. Don't beat around the bush like this. It just makes it hard to reply. I CAN'T make a meaningful reply if you hide what you are concerned about. Gimme a BREAK!
Quote from: Munch on August 12, 2018, 05:36:34 AM
Why does it have to be either or any of those? Can be more then just about one aspect of a person's ideology, or sexual identity. As someone who follows a freedom of speech outlook, the reason why this is hypocritical is how one platform allows for blatant racism to be ignored, while banning someone else for mocking racism in the same manner that said platform was ignoring.
CIA is an Irish Catholic conspiracy. A guy named Donovan founded the OSS. The CiA recruited preferentially from Notre Dame for decades. Langley VA is run from the Vatican. The great push against Communism, from 1917 is the Vatican. The Vatican was the source for all fascist movements of the 20th century.
Their point is that it is OK for a woman to hate men, but not vice versa. OK for gays to hate straight people, but not vice versa. OK for Blacks to hate Whites but not vice versa. OK for Hispanics to hate Anglos but not vice versa. OK for Asians to hate Europeans but not vice versa. This is all taken from the Black Panthers, Symbionese Liberation Army, Weathermen ... and that favorite guide book of Democrats ... Alinsky's Rules for Radicals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals
Aka 1960s agents of Mao, Castro, Ho, Kruschev etc.
It is OK for R to hate D or vice versa ... but as an I, I want y'all locked up in FEMA camps.
Seriously ... just drop the hate. Fear drives hate. So to stop hating, you have to stop fearing. Or remain Piglet.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2018, 05:43:58 AM
Because it is probably one or the other or the other. We can't discuss an issue if you aren't specific about the issue. If it is about racism, just say so. Same about gay rights or atheism. Don't beat around the bush like this. It just makes it hard to reply. I CAN'T make a meaningful reply if you hide what you are concerned about. Gimme a BREAK!
I.. thought it was pretty obvious tbh, it's about the blantent hypocrisy of allowing racism to exist in one form while banning others for making a mockery of it
Baruch wrote:QuoteSeriously ... just drop the hate. Fear drives hate. So to stop hating, you have to stop fearing. Or remain Piglet.
Munch the hater? Seriously?
Quote from: Shiranu on August 12, 2018, 03:01:19 AM
Edit: Sorry to remove all my posts, but I remember now why I took a few day break from the forum... this just isn't worth it anymore.
I know several people are going to like my posts, and I would like to think it's because I have something interesting or thoughtful to say but I feel like it ultimately probably just comes down to "us vs them" and I am arguing on the same side. Maybe I'm dead wrong and if I am my apologies for implying you are like that... it's only because I feel like I have been that way for awhile on this forum and am projecting it on yall.
As for the two people I ever argue with... I just cant do it anymore. The negativity is just not worth it when everything I say is just completely ignored and even if I said something they agree with they will quote it back at me and attack me for something I never even said. There is no point anymore.
I have justified it as trying to shut down a hateful ideology (which it still is) and make sure it wasn't left unopposed, but more and more it's become just a matter of, "Your regressive opinion annoys me.". Until I can get back to demolishing them for what they are rather than demolishing them because they are annoying, I just don't have it in my anymore.
Again, sorry to anyone who is wondering why all my posts here just disappeared. I knew I should have stayed on my vacation but I talked myself into one honest response and then when what I knew what would happen happened I responded out of sheer annoyance.
Don't worry, you will grow up eventually. Temper tantrums pass.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2018, 03:53:33 AM
One always has the right to leave...
Here. But not in the real world. Slaves have to stay on the planation.
Quote from: Munch on August 12, 2018, 04:50:01 AM
Yeah because only white people can be racist..
That is the Marxist theory, actually. But they don't apply this in Russia or China.
Quote from: Munch on August 12, 2018, 06:07:49 AM
I.. thought it was pretty obvious tbh, it's about the blantent hypocrisy of allowing racism to exist in one form while banning others for making a mockery of it
Well, that was easy enough (finally). I have no tolerance for racism of any kind. We are all Homo Sapiens. The history of the world is that different peoples have their ups and downs and there are causes for that. History has been mostly about temporary advantages in domesticatable plants, domesticatable animals, trade routes and technology and that changes sometimes.
At one time it was the Middle East being at the crossroads between China, India and Rome. Later it was Europe between the others and The New World. Tomorrow, it may be a different pattern. Ethnicity means little in the long run. Its where you are when it matters.
And whoever is on top of the trade routes will have the luxury of developing science and arts to great extent...
Quote from: Munch on August 12, 2018, 06:07:49 AM
I.. thought it was pretty obvious tbh, it's about the blantent hypocrisy of allowing racism to exist in one form while banning others for making a mockery of it
Yes, but irony is wasted on SJW people. They are blind to it. Like Hitler and Stalin making peace over Poland.
Quote from: pr126 on August 12, 2018, 06:13:48 AM
Baruch wrote:
Munch the hater? Seriously?
I'm certain Baruch was more just using sarcasm
Quote from: Munch on August 12, 2018, 06:37:18 AM
I'm certain Baruch was more just using sarcasm
I wasn't referring to anything from Baruch at all. Haven't been reading any of his posts.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2018, 06:21:03 AM
Well, that was easy enough (finally). I have no tolerance for racism of any kind. We are all Homo Sapiens. The history of the world is that different peoples have their ups and downs and there are causes for that. History has been mostly about temporary advantages in domesticatable plants, domesticatable animals, trade routes and technology and that changes sometimes.
At one time it was the Middle East being at the crossroads between China, India and Rome. Later it was Europe between the others and The New World. Tomorrow, it may be a different pattern. Ethnicity means little in the long run. Its where you are when it matters.
And whoever is on top of the trade routes will have the luxury of developing science and arts to great extent...
So you White Privilege much? The Leftists would eat your apparatchik ass in a second. I am a mirror, that you can observe yourself in, but with less Fun House distortion you give it.
Quote from: pr126 on August 12, 2018, 06:13:48 AM
Baruch wrote:
Munch the hater? Seriously?
Context and intent. No ... Munch is pretty even minded. You are obsessive, but not unfair. There are more than just Muslims hiding under your bed.
The post you are referring to, is general, not meant for Munch specifically. It is the liberals here who express the most hate (because most who post are liberal). The few conservatives also hate (I am neither).
Quote from: Munch on August 12, 2018, 06:37:18 AM
I'm certain Baruch was more just using sarcasm
Not directed at you personally, sorry if I gave that impression. De OP, De OP ... said Herve .. here on SJW Fantasy Island.
Quote from: Baruch on August 12, 2018, 06:49:45 AM
Not directed at you personally, sorry if I gave that impression. De OP, De OP ... said Herve .. here on SJW Fantasy Island.
I figured it was something like that ^^, sometimes what you read can be taken in another context, but I appreciate you clarifying things.
Baruch wrote:QuoteThere are more than just Muslims hiding under your bed.
I don't think so.
There are less than 3 centimeters of clearance from the floor to the bed.
It is inconceivable that any person or even a cat could hide there.
https://gph.is/13wAYa8
Quote from: pr126 on August 12, 2018, 08:38:31 AM
Baruch wrote:I don't think so.
There are less than 3 centimeters of clearance from the floor to the bed.
It is inconceivable that any person or even a cat could hide there.
https://gph.is/13wAYa8
Good point, My waterbed doesn't even HAVE space underneath it. Its all drawers.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2018, 08:41:01 AM
Good point, My waterbed doesn't even HAVE space underneath it. Its all drawers.
Ah, but what is hiding in your drawers?
Quote from: pr126 on August 12, 2018, 08:44:35 AM
Ah, but what is hiding in your drawers?
You would be amazed. Mostly stuff I don't wear anymore, long thermal underwear, old tee shirts, some watch repair tools, swim trunks I couldn't pull on with help, and all my shoe polishing stuff and some computer cables.
I DO trust you don't mean the "drawers" I am wearing. Those are camo and enclose the usual stuff.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2018, 08:51:56 AM
You would be amazed. Mostly stuff I don't wear anymore, long thermal underwear, old tee shirts, some watch repair tools, swim trunks I couldn't pull on with help, and all my shoe polishing stuff and some computer cables.
I DO trust you don't mean the "drawers" I am wearing. Those are camo and enclose the usual stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
This waterbed of yours, do you get sea sickness?
Quote from: pr126 on August 12, 2018, 09:35:48 AM
This waterbed of yours, do you get sea sickness?
No. and it is a king-sized one. The water mattress doen't have any baffles in it, but I don't have any problems with motion. Basically, the water mattress just sinks under my low spots (like hips). I"ve been sleeping on one since 1972 and I feel great when I wake up. I do have 2 pillows. One is thin for when I sleep on my side, other is about 3" thick for when on my back. But pillows are not the waterbed, anyway.
A waterbed mattress costs about $100, and lasts forever unless punctured (and vinyl repair kits cost about $10). I
ve repaired one once in almost 40 years. And the liner held all the leaked water anyway. The waterbed has a high efficiency low watt heater under it to keep it comfy.
Find a nearby waterbed store and lay on one...
Nothing justifies what she said. It’s racism and she should be treated as any other racist nowadays. She is officially scum. Defending what she said is the same as defending some old white guy calling a bunch of black dudes Niggers.
You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
Quote from: pr126 on August 12, 2018, 08:44:35 AM
Ah, but what is hiding in your drawers?
he's a cave bear, so I figured stored nuts and berries for winter
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on August 12, 2018, 10:44:43 AM
Nothing justifies what she said. It’s racism and she should be treated as any other racist nowadays. She is officially scum. Defending what she said is the same as defending some old white guy calling a bunch of black dudes Niggers.
You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
I don't know enough about her. And there seem to be odd claims on both sides. I'll let her dig her own hole.
QuoteYou can’t have your cake and eat it too.
Why not? What else should you do with a cake? :-)
Some proverbs are just silly.
Never judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes.
At that point, you will be a mile away and will have his shoes.
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on August 12, 2018, 10:44:43 AM
Nothing justifies what she said. It’s racism and she should be treated as any other racist nowadays. She is officially scum. Defending what she said is the same as defending some old white guy calling a bunch of black dudes Niggers.
You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
But Marxists can. All White males are racist misogynists, and have power over Coloreds and women ... this world is Simon Legree's world ... all the good people are under the lash, in the hot sun, picking the cotton crop. This is why women and Coloreds can commit oppression and terror ... because they are freedom fighters (per Django).
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2018, 10:59:35 AM
I don't know enough about her. And there seem to be odd claims on both sides. I'll let her dig her own hole.
If someone you consider a protected minority says something bad ... then suspend judgement. But if someone you consider a bastard says something bad ... off with their heads!
Quote from: pr126 on August 12, 2018, 11:04:34 AM
Why not? What else should you do with a cake? :-)
Some proverbs are just silly.
Never judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes.
At that point, you will be a mile away and will have his shoes.
Yeah, and some proverbs are contradictory. "Look before you leap" vs "He who hesÂiÂtates is lost". And I remember my mother saying at every opportunity "Don't drop that". Well, something had to get dropped eventually, proving she was right to warn us kids not to drop stuff, LOL!
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2018, 11:21:51 AM
Yeah, and some proverbs are contradictory. "Look before you leap" vs "He who hesÂiÂtates is lost". And I remember my mother saying at every opportunity "Don't drop that". Well, something had to get dropped eventually, proving she was right to warn us kids not to drop stuff, LOL!
People who overthink, get trapped by the lava flow. Run first, think later (sometimes).
Quote from: pr126 on August 12, 2018, 11:04:34 AM
Why not? What else should you do with a cake? :-)
I pondered that one years ago. I reconciled it as meaning you can eat your cake, but then you will no longer have it, although I wasn't entirely satisfied because even if you eat it, you had it for a while, until you ate it. Oh well. How well it describes other situations, I don't know.
Quote from: SGOS on August 12, 2018, 01:10:47 PM
I pondered that one years ago. I reconciled it as meaning you can eat your cake, but then you will no longer have it, although I wasn't entirely satisfied because even if you eat it, you had it for a while, until you ate it. Oh well. How well it describes other situations, I don't know.
Perhaps Marie Antoinette ... endless supply of cake?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk62PYiWav0
It all went to her hips ;-)
Turns out historians say Marie Antoinette likely never said the line, it's just that the phrase had been floating around for a while before the revolution and it spread claiming she said it due to her affluent lifestyle.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on August 12, 2018, 03:12:45 AM
See! Pure emotion.
I find it fascinating you think this is an insult.
Pure emotion would be continuing to lash out because I am annoyed. I have realised that arguing with some of you is nothing more than an exercise in "pure emotion" because I know unequivocally you will disagree with me even when I agree with you. Therefor there is no logical reason to continue other than to feed that emotion.
Mostly though, I just wanted to say I find it fascinating that emotion is such a dirty word around here, and I don't really believe it's "an atheist thing" since two of the greatest atheist/non-theist speakers I can think of (Alan Watts/Carl Sagan) who have influenced my world view would probably find such a sentiment absolutely ridiculous.
QuoteDefending what she said is the same as defending some old white guy calling a bunch of black dudes Niggers.
Case in point of blowing things out of proportion. Nowhere was her rhetoric even remotely of the same level of offensiveness of that nor does her social position allow her to say something that would be that offensive.
Doesn’t matter, if she said all white people should be stuck on a rocket and shot into space or sterilized or that only white peolle commit genocide, it wouldn’t be seen as racist.
It’s not okay to be white.
Yes it would, yes it definitely would, and no it wouldn't... but only because it is just stupid.
Yes, it is.
None of those come close to using the N word as a derogatory term for African Americans.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 12, 2018, 05:07:18 PM
Case in point of blowing things out of proportion. Nowhere was her rhetoric even remotely of the same level of offensiveness of that nor does her social position allow her to say something that would be that offensive.
(http://s17948.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/rhobh-lisa-r-thats-bullshit.gif)
You don't get to pick and choose what you deem acceptable levels of racism. Or maybe you want to read up on the statistics on suicide rates in america since 2000 based on race.
https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/
Yeah, theres a higher percentage of white america's that kill themselves only closely matched by american indians, so having some cunt in a national newspaper spreading race hate online doesn't promote wellbeing for these kinds of people.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 12, 2018, 05:07:18 PM
I find it fascinating you think this is an insult.
Pure emotion would be continuing to lash out because I am annoyed. I have realised that arguing with some of you is nothing more than an exercise in "pure emotion" because I know unequivocally you will disagree with me even when I agree with you. Therefor there is no logical reason to continue other than to feed that emotion.
Mostly though, I just wanted to say I find it fascinating that emotion is such a dirty word around here, and I don't really believe it's "an atheist thing" since two of the greatest atheist/non-theist speakers I can think of (Alan Watts/Carl Sagan) who have influenced my world view would probably find such a sentiment absolutely ridiculous.
Case in point of blowing things out of proportion. Nowhere was her rhetoric even remotely of the same level of offensiveness of that nor does her social position allow her to say something that would be that offensive.
I find it funny that you proved my point and then said your world is backed up by scientists when you just had a hissy fit.
Must be that nag in your brain when you saw my analytics posts that was so infuriating when backed up with facts from a textbook and other sources I got to make such an essay and analytic point. Just when I made the post, you deleted your previous points and had a hissy fit. And now you come back with that itchy brain syndrome to say you are logical and sane with your higher sense of PC SJW understanding that makes you a bit of an ass than us "regular" atheists.
Your being emotional. I have been there. Learn to stop thinking with emotion and more with rational thought.
How tell the difference between a racist and a social justice warrior (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/08/how_tell_the_difference_between_a_racist_and_a_social_justice_warrior.html)
A handy guide
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkQK2lDUYAAEFrM.jpg)
Quote from: Munch on August 11, 2018, 08:29:12 PM
I'm guess I'm just curious on how some of my left leaning fellow atheists (or theistic following) here feel about this, since it covers some pretty high levels of hypocrisy.
I agree with Ben Shapiro's point that employers shouldn't succumb to social media mobbing and fire employees based on offensive online comments. There are people who would deem some comments made on this forum to be as morally reprehensible as anything Jeong posted and just as worthy of termination. I see a contradiction in people who say they value freedom of speech but want Jeong fired for her tweets.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on August 13, 2018, 06:05:14 AM
I agree with Ben Shapiro's point that employers shouldn't succumb to social media mobbing and fire employees based on offensive online comments. There are people who would deem some comments made on this forum to be as morally reprehensible as anything Jeong posted and just as worthy of termination. I see a contradiction in people who say they value freedom of speech but want Jeong fired for her tweets.
Correct. And $&$^%^ you too ;-)
Quote from: GSOgymrat on August 13, 2018, 06:05:14 AM
I agree with Ben Shapiro's point that employers shouldn't succumb to social media mobbing and fire employees based on offensive online comments. There are people who would deem some comments made on this forum to be as morally reprehensible as anything Jeong posted and just as worthy of termination. I see a contradiction in people who say they value freedom of speech but want Jeong fired for her tweets.
Guess that means trump can say anything he likes on social media then without criticism?
Quote from: Munch on August 13, 2018, 07:37:05 AM
Guess that means trump can say anything he likes on social media then without criticism?
Trump can say whatever he likes and people can call him out if they don't like it. Criticizing the POTUS is a great American pastime.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on August 13, 2018, 08:03:42 AM
Trump can say whatever he likes and people can call him out if they don't like it. Criticizing the POTUS is a great American pastime.
and yet, they fired the director of guardians of the galaxy 3 for a tweet he said 10 years ago, despite him apologizing for it.
Quote from: Munch on August 11, 2018, 08:29:12 PM
So anyone not bothering to watch, Sarah Jeong is a newyork times editor or tech worker or something, who wrote out some very racist tweets, but targeted at white people, and been doing so for years. She being of Asian decent herself, you can't even in this context claim it was just white self loathing, this was flat out racism.
I'm guess I'm just curious on how some of my left leaning fellow atheists (or theistic following) here feel about this, since it covers some pretty high levels of hypocrisy.
For the record, yeah, it seems racist to me. It also seems inappropriate for a journalist. I'm surprised the New York Times defends her. Not that a lot of white people aren't dicks. Fanning the flames of racism never leads to good, no matter if it's the majority or the minority doing it.
Quote from: Munch on August 13, 2018, 08:28:34 AM
and yet, they fired the director of guardians of the galaxy 3 for a tweet he said 10 years ago, despite him apologizing for it.
I agree with you he should not have been fired due to a Twitter mob, in fact, that is my entire point. Instead of using laws to suppress free speech groups of people are trying to silence individuals who express unpopular or offensive opinions by threatening his or her employment. This creates a chilling effect where people fear to speak lest they incur the wrath of the mob. It also puts employers in the inappropriate position of having to be arbiters of morality, deciding when and how to punish individuals for a perceived offense that often is not directly related to how the individual does his or her job.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on August 13, 2018, 12:27:31 PM
I agree with you he should not have been fired due to a Twitter mob, in fact, that is my entire point. Instead of using laws to suppress free speech groups of people are trying to silence individuals who express unpopular or offensive opinions by threatening his or her employment. This creates a chilling effect where people fear to speak lest they incur the wrath of the mob. It also puts employers in the inappropriate position of having to be arbiters of morality, deciding when and how to punish individuals for a perceived offense that often is not directly related to how the individual does his or her job.
the broader aspect of this is that we are currently in a time where, as example, people like james gunn will get fired for a tweet he made years ago, where as someone like this NY times editor will not despite still making offensive tweets, which can't be denied has to come down to identity, or identity politics. If this editor was a white person making such offensive tweets, they would have been fired on the spot, but because its an korean woman, she gets praised for being racist.
The current era has so much of this, this handwaving, where you can say whatever you like or not based purely on nothing more then your skin color or place of birth. To me thats a crock of shit, because its making very obvious derision and favoritism based on arbitrary things. I don't care if the others are a minority or majority, as said, it should be the same rules for all, either everyone can say whatever they like, or nobody can say anything out of place.
But we know we're not living in that time right now, like we weren't living in it back in the 1800s, with racial segregation.
(and here now comes certain individuals offended by that statement because they can't see's the comparisons)
Quote from: Munch on August 13, 2018, 07:37:05 AM
Guess that means trump can say anything he likes on social media then without criticism?
Criticism? Of course, that is what being a public figure is all about. Every public figure should be pilloried at least once a day, to remind them what shits they are.
Quote from: Munch on August 13, 2018, 08:28:34 AM
and yet, they fired the director of guardians of the galaxy 3 for a tweet he said 10 years ago, despite him apologizing for it.
But was he a White male? Then justified.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 12, 2018, 06:53:03 PM
Yes it would, yes it definitely would, and no it wouldn't... but only because it is just stupid.
Yes, it is.
None of those come close to using the N word as a derogatory term for African Americans.
That used to be THEIR preferred term. In Spanish they are still called "negros". Shall we nuke all Spanish speakers now?
Quote from: Munch on August 13, 2018, 12:39:49 PM
the broader aspect of this is that we are currently in a time where, as example, people like james gunn will get fired for a tweet he made years ago, where as someone like this NY times editor will not despite still making offensive tweets, which can't be denied has to come down to identity, or identity politics. If this editor was a white person making such offensive tweets, they would have been fired on the spot, but because its an korean woman, she gets praised for being racist.
The current era has so much of this, this handwaving, where you can say whatever you like or not based purely on nothing more then your skin color or place of birth. To me thats a crock of shit, because its making very obvious derision and favoritism based on arbitrary things. I don't care if the others are a minority or majority, as said, it should be the same rules for all, either everyone can say whatever they like, or nobody can say anything out of place.
But we know we're not living in that time right now, like we weren't living in it back in the 1800s, with racial segregation.
(and here now comes certain individuals offended by that statement because they can't see's the comparisons)
Some people believe the expression of racist attitudes is so offensive that people who do so need to be punished and if the government won't curtail their speech they will organize online and try to have people fired. They are willing to suppress freedom of speech to fight what they perceive as immoral racist attitudes. I believe this goes too far and that suppressing racist attitudes rather than allowing them to be voiced and confronted causes more harm than good.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on August 13, 2018, 01:30:51 PM
Some people believe the expression of racist attitudes is so offensive that people who do so need to be punished and if the government won't curtail their speech they will organize online and try to have people fired. They are willing to suppress freedom of speech to fight what they perceive as immoral racist attitudes. I believe this goes too far and that suppressing racist attitudes rather than allowing them to be voiced and confronted causes more harm than good.
Agreed. I will defend a person's right to say it, right before telling them their being racist cunt.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on August 13, 2018, 01:30:51 PM
Some people believe the expression of racist attitudes is so offensive that people who do so need to be punished and if the government won't curtail their speech they will organize online and try to have people fired. They are willing to suppress freedom of speech to fight what they perceive as immoral racist attitudes. I believe this goes too far and that suppressing racist attitudes rather than allowing them to be voiced and confronted causes more harm than good.
Oh so freedom of speech is to be protected when your an editor of the New York times? It isn't business ethical to have someone spreading messages of hate while being employed by a popular newspaper business. A news paper business that I read from from time to time. Freedom speech is great but not when you work for a news source or the fucking government like the homophobic Davis. It goes against social norm and business ethic when you tweets harmful shit and boss who rad that shit should fire the person automatically for being a retarded prick. I's bad for business this tweeting stupidity.
You can say what you like and won't be killed or exiled , but your actions will cause you to lose things like respect or your job. For saying outrageous things in the open where everyone can see. It's like if a man shows his dick in public would freedom of speech help him not go to jail? no.
You got a point to, in my last job they made it clear to everyone working for them that they would not tolerate anyone posting offensive stuff online for everyone to read like on facebook or twitter, and that if they do so they need to either be kept anonymous, or they would be fired due to what it might do to the companies image, which to me is perfectly fair.
Seems NY times has a different policy.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on August 13, 2018, 05:14:58 PM
Oh so freedom of speech is to be protected when your an editor of the New York times? It isn't business ethical to have someone spreading messages of hate while being employed by a popular newspaper business. A news paper business that I read from from time to time. Freedom speech is great but not when you work for a news source or the fucking government like the homophobic Davis. It goes against social norm and business ethic when you tweets harmful shit and boss who rad that shit should fire the person automatically for being a retarded prick. I's bad for business this tweeting stupidity.
You can say what you like and won't be killed or exiled , but your actions will cause you to lose things like respect or your job. For saying outrageous things in the open where everyone can see. It's like if a man shows his dick in public would freedom of speech help him not go to jail? no.
Back in the 1980's I marched in gay pride and someone I didn't know recognized me from my job as a clerk in a convenience store. This person contacted the district manager to tell him he shouldn't be employing a known homosexual. Because publically expressing support for LGBT rights and illegal sex acts in a time and place that went against social norms should I have been fired? Fortunately, I was just subjected to an uncomfortable conversation and didn't lose my minimum wage job but I knew several gay men in different fields who were fired once their sexual orientation became known. Freedom of speech is not absolute, there needs to be nuanced consideration of all the factors, but mob rule and firing people because they express unpopular opinions or violate social norms is a dangerous strategy.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on August 13, 2018, 07:01:39 PM
Back in the 1980's I marched in gay pride and someone I didn't know recognized me from my job as a clerk in a convenience store. This person contacted the district manager to tell him he shouldn't be employing a known homosexual. Because publically expressing support for LGBT rights and illegal sex acts in a time and place that went against social norms should I have been fired? Fortunately, I was just subjected to an uncomfortable conversation and didn't lose my minimum wage job but I knew several gay men in different fields who were fired once their sexual orientation became known. Freedom of speech is not absolute, there needs to be nuanced consideration of all the factors, but mob rule and firing people because they express unpopular opinions or violate social norms is a dangerous strategy.
of course it is, and I'm sorry you had to deal with that. Getting down to it, there needs to be a balance, people deserve the right to speak their minds, but there should also be rules in place to stop it becoming to overblown, like how a library would tell you the be quiet so people can read, or a cinema tells you to turn off your phone and remain quiet to people can enjoy the movie.
In your case, a workplace needs to uphold workers protection, the one who grassed on you for seeing you at pride had whatever right they thought they had to mouth off the fact, but a workplace today needs to uphold human rights and reserve the right to tell that person calling to go fuck themselves.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on August 13, 2018, 07:01:39 PM
Back in the 1980's I marched in gay pride and someone I didn't know recognized me from my job as a clerk in a convenience store. This person contacted the district manager to tell him he shouldn't be employing a known homosexual. Because publically expressing support for LGBT rights and illegal sex acts in a time and place that went against social norms should I have been fired? Fortunately, I was just subjected to an uncomfortable conversation and didn't lose my minimum wage job but I knew several gay men in different fields who were fired once their sexual orientation became known. Freedom of speech is not absolute, there needs to be nuanced consideration of all the factors, but mob rule and firing people because they express unpopular opinions or violate social norms is a dangerous strategy.
Caught protesting in a gay pride parade and saying racist shit on twitter while failing grammar as well while hired as editor are 2 different things. Business ethnic says you can protest just not in a demeaning way to the company displayed. This means because the New York times editor is racist and grammar incoherent are all the articles and company racist and grammatical incorrect despite promoting goodwill? False advertising is a ploy here and is simply bad for business. Like the CEO of chickfila's hate for gays.
You should know your're being emotional like Shiranu about this when you compare firing people in a field where for racists tweets looks bad to firing people because they protest and are gay. Two different lvls totally.
Not my quote, but absolutely nails this whole idea of what type of "white" people are talking about when they insult white people, because I have a feeling if we asked every single poster here what "white" means... no one could actually come up with a definitive answer.
QuoteMany younger people hear statements directed at 'White People' and think the resentment is directed at all white people. A lot do know it's meant to describe the legally defined 'whites' that defined themselves as superior, by virtue of being white, and oppressed others, but the rise of the Alt-Right and other White National groups are, in part, built upon the idea that whites in general are hated, when most statements that feed those groups are just lazily worded statements aimed at the specific self-styled-whites that oppressed and maintained colonialism's benefits, and not aimed at white people as a whole, who are not the majority of whites, anyway.
*Shiranuu likes to edit things so I edit too*
Oh, I wish I was in the land of cotton,
Old times there are not forgotten
Dixie land is greet but what do I know I'm a 'white male' obviously i'm a racist sexist pig.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on August 14, 2018, 12:04:31 AM
Full of bullshit you are. Keep thinking you and your PC crowd can get away with saying racist shit to white people. Racist.
Mhmm. Like the Catholics preaching to me about chaste and homosexuality.
When it comes to women, comes to minorities, comes to "the left" (this nebulous term for anyone who disagrees with you), to the religious... it is perfectly acceptable to be as utterly offensive as you want; everyone has the right to be offensive, no one has the right not to be offended.
And yet suddenly, when faced with a fraction of the racism or the offensiveness you praise when it's being dished out against people you dislike, the moment it's turned back at you it's horrible to be offensive, people should be silenced if they are offensive, and how dare you say that?
I don't have any problem with people calling what she said racist. I have a problem when those same people are those who justify racist ideologies and occasional let slip their own racist remarks... and in response they just pat each other on the back and circle jerk each other for how offensive they managed to be.
I mean for fucks sake, you have a white guy in here acting like what she said was the same as a white guy calling a black guy the n-word, and people say I'm emotional? That is literally the epitome of white fragility.
So you want to talk about bullshit, THAT'S some bullshit.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 14, 2018, 12:27:27 AM
Mhmm. Like the Catholics preaching to me about chaste and homosexuality.
When it comes to women, comes to minorities, comes to "the left" (this nebulous term for anyone who disagrees with you), to the religious... it is perfectly acceptable to be as utterly offensive as you want; everyone has the right to be offensive, no one has the right not to be offended.
And yet suddenly, when faced with a fraction of the racism or the offensiveness you praise when it's being dished out against people you dislike, the moment it's turned back at you it's horrible to be offensive, people should be silenced if they are offensive, and how dare you say that?
I don't have any problem with people calling what she said racist. I have a problem when those same people are those who justify racist ideologies and occasional let slip their own racist remarks... and in response they just pat each other on the back and circle jerk each other for how offensive they managed to be.
So you want to talk about bullshit, THAT'S some bullshit.
Don't drag this thing around. This about a woman saying racist things about all white people. Stop putting your goddamn political agenda in my face for seeing shit as it is. Hypocrite.
I'm a hypocrite for agreeing with you that she is racist. Cool.
To actually address something being said, why the "n-word" comparison is complete bullshit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HnDONDvJVE
I'm not the one who determines the severity of insults. Reality does that, and the reality is that acting like white people have suffered any where near the same amount at the hands of African Americans as African Americans have at the hands of white people, which is what you are doing when you say that any insult against whites is essentially calling them by that term. That is absolutely preposterous.
To clarify, I don't think that's a "white" person trait; the same can be seen in essentially any major social group, be it based on racial or other lines. Be offensive to men a fraction of what those same men do to women... well, suddenly you are a feminazi. Be offensive to atheists a fraction of how offensive you are to someone religious (regardless of their actual ideology), and by lord the gates of hell will be open upon you.
Those with social power think they can toss insults around left and right and they have every right to do so (and how dare ANYONE complain about it!)... but the moment someone insults them, then all hell breaks lose and they are in a corner crying oppression. That's just how things work, across cultures... but that doesn't make it any less bullshit.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on August 14, 2018, 12:47:51 AM
Keep saying your so right and better than me you SJW Motherfucker. I'm tempted to find you and kick your fucking ass for drailing th thread because you have a hissy fit and playing the victim of the mean ol' white man and switching your words around to fit your asshole political agenda.
You are literally losing your mind over me
agreeing with you on the fundamental issue of the thread, that what she said was racist. All I disagree with is the extent of how racist it was and particularly with the train of thought that it is equivalent to the n-word, or that the same people attacking her are the people who defend other racists.
You literally just posted that you want to stalk me, physically assault me because I
agreed with you, several times, on the core issue you keep bring up. Hell, you literally just threatened to stalk and assault me because of something someone said on a internet page, regardless of if they agreed with you are not... just several posts after you accused me of being the emotional one.
Thread after thread I am told to be polite, to be kind, and yet when I
literally agree with you tools this is the type of harassment I get because I am still not 'on your side' enough, but I am the one who is "too far to the left".
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on August 14, 2018, 12:56:08 AM
Look the admins are censoring. They are with the SJW outlook.
Enforcing rules that you willingly agreed to and signed up to follow is not censorship.
I like peanut butter and jam.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on August 14, 2018, 01:18:33 AM
And Now you edit your posts to act like your a victim when you edged me on. Please merciful god of justice kill me now.
My posts aren't any different than the ones you quoted.
Edit: I take that back, I added one extra line in one about the hypocrisy. However nothing in the message changed, it was the exact same message with just one extra example.
Well hey I'll do the same. Bcausee fuck it i'm more awesome than you Shianu the troll.
*shrug*
The people who matter have access to what you said, regardless of if you deleted it from the general posters view. Have a good night, Drac.
I'm so politically incorrect
From now on i'm cracker Aiur becaus fuck it all white people are racist
Quote from: Shiranu on August 14, 2018, 01:09:04 AM
Enforcing rules that you willingly agreed to and signed up to follow is not censorship.
One can decide to reject the prior agreement. Or not make any stupid agreement to begin with.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on August 14, 2018, 12:04:31 AM
*Shiranuu likes to edit things so I edit too*
Oh, I wish I was in the land of cotton,
Old times there are not forgotten
Dixie land is greet but what do I know I'm a 'white male' obviously i'm a racist sexist pig.
Conservative ... let us live the way we have been living
Liberal ... no, you must live the new way we are dictating to you
Southerners (fictionally ... Simon Legree) who kept slaves were assholes. New Englanders who murdered people (John Brown) as part of their virtue signaling, were psychotics.
Since biology now shows that everyone originated in Africa ... we are all Black now. But some Blacks are more equal than other Blacks. See Steve Martin comedy The Jerk.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on August 13, 2018, 09:13:30 PM
Caught protesting in a gay pride parade and saying racist shit on twitter while failing grammar as well while hired as editor are 2 different things. Business ethnic says you can protest just not in a demeaning way to the company displayed. This means because the New York times editor is racist and grammar incoherent are all the articles and company racist and grammatical incorrect despite promoting goodwill? False advertising is a ploy here and is simply bad for business. Like the CEO of chickfila's hate for gays.
You should know your're being emotional like Shiranu about this when you compare firing people in a field where for racists tweets looks bad to firing people because they protest and are gay. Two different lvls totally.
I'm not seeing your distinction. In both cases, someone is being threatened with losing their job because one or more people outside the company and who don't know the person's work history are contacting the employer and stating the employee should be fired because the employee has made public statements that are considered offensive, immoral, and in one case promoting illegal acts.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on August 14, 2018, 10:12:52 AM
I'm not seeing your distinction. In both cases, someone is being threatened with losing their job because one or more people outside the company and who don't know the person's work history are contacting the employer and stating the employee should be fired because the employee has made public statements that are considered offensive, immoral, and in one case promoting illegal acts.
In 1984, children are required to turn in their parents, for anti-Big Brother activity. And certainly this was common in Mao's China.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on August 14, 2018, 10:12:52 AM
I'm not seeing your distinction. In both cases, someone is being threatened with losing their job because one or more people outside the company and who don't know the person's work history are contacting the employer and stating the employee should be fired because the employee has made public statements that are considered offensive, immoral, and in one case promoting illegal acts.
One is being a cunt, while the other being you is just being you a gay man standing up for civil rights.
Stop mixing the two up.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on August 14, 2018, 04:31:20 PM
One is being a cunt, while the other being you is just being you a gay man standing up for civil rights.
Stop mixing the two up.
One man's Internet bully is another man's SJW.
"judge not lest ye be judged" ... the very first thing both theists and atheists throw out ;-(
There are people who find advocating for LGBT+ rights to be just as morally offensive as saying racist things. It doesn't matter if you agree with them or not, that level of offense still exists and a company has to take that into consideration and, at the end of the day, both situations come down to someone being offended and wanting to ruin someone else's career over it.
The only difference is that we, as a society, have started to agree that racism is bad while LGBT rights are good, though there are many people who have not caught up to that world view. That is the only reason the corporation cares one way or another; it's not about what's "right", it's about what hurts their wallet. So to act like the decisions of a corporation has any relevancy to the morality of an issue is to absurdly imply that corporations should have a voice in what is moral and what isn't.
So it isn't a like for like comparison, but calls for a LGBT+ advocates job and calls for a racists job are much more akin than they are different. It's all rooted at the same thing; someone has deviated so far from societies' norms that they need to be punished for it. Perhaps I am completely missing GSO's point, but that is what I am taking out of it.
There is no consensus. Not even the Left can agree with itself. That is only in your fevered mind, sorry. Every human being is a racist ... and half man/half woman. We are simply waking up to what has always been true, but we have been in culturally imposed denial about.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 14, 2018, 07:09:49 PM
There are people who find advocating for LGBT+ rights to be just as morally offensive as saying racist things. It doesn't matter if you agree with them or not, that level of offense still exists and a company has to take that into consideration and, at the end of the day, both situations come down to someone being offended and wanting to ruin someone else's career over it.
The only difference is that we, as a society, have started to agree that racism is bad while LGBT rights are good, though there are many people who have not caught up to that world view. That is the only reason the corporation cares one way or another; it's not about what's "right", it's about what hurts their wallet. So to act like the decisions of a corporation has any relevancy to the morality of an issue is to absurdly imply that corporations should have a voice in what is moral and what isn't.
So it isn't a like for like comparison, but calls for a LGBT+ advocates job and calls for a racists job are much more akin than they are different. It's all rooted at the same thing; someone has deviated so far from societies' norms that they need to be punished for it. Perhaps I am completely missing GSO's point, but that is what I am taking out of it.
You'r a bunch of idiots using your political agenda. Stop it.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on August 15, 2018, 12:54:25 AM
You'r a bunch of idiots using your political agenda. Stop it.
as r u
https://youtu.be/oVruEq-Gupk
https://youtu.be/gAcu0Rsfi6I
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on August 15, 2018, 04:50:10 AM
No I am not.
I'm using ethics and business ethics.
Leftists don't like business. They expect government to be Santa Claus. I am a government contractor, so more of an elf, producing on behalf of the public. Proper interpretation of the parable of the Prodigal Son explains this.
Quote from: pr126 on August 15, 2018, 02:46:07 AM
https://youtu.be/oVruEq-Gupk
https://youtu.be/gAcu0Rsfi6I
Did anyone else here interpret my defense of free speech, that people shouldn't be fired for posting controversial opinions such as anti-Islam rhetoric, as I hate white people and love Islam?
Quote from: GSOgymrat on August 15, 2018, 08:11:37 AM
Did anyone else here interpret my defense of free speech, that people shouldn't be fired for posting controversial opinions such as anti-Islam rhetoric, as I hate white people and love Islam?
I didn't, but hating white people and loving Islam is the agenda being pushed in this thread. Hence the redundant nature of the postings here have little to do with discourse, but are more about establishing a meme.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on August 15, 2018, 08:11:37 AM
Did anyone else here interpret my defense of free speech, that people shouldn't be fired for posting controversial opinions such as anti-Islam rhetoric, as I hate white people and love Islam?
You've never struck me as someone who would make to make waves on a political belief in a heavy handed way, you've always struck me as a real nice guy just wanting to break even (not being patronizing I mean what I say).
I guess its just that this subject is very polarizing in how its the same examples pressed just on opposite ends of the spectrum, why is one person of a different ethnicity allowed to be racist but its not okay for someone of a different ethnicity, why does social media back up someone like that but wants to burn someone on a pike for doing the exact same thing to another group.
Racism simply isn't something that should be tolerated by a place claiming standards, if a newspaper will a white guy for being racist to black people, then why doesn't it fire an asian person for being racist to white.
Obviously in certain aspects of society say comedy for example showing tongue in cheek racism is fine if its allows for all, take south park for example how they take the piss out of everything, this is okay to me because they do take the piss out of everything.
Its really more of an all or nothing approach.
Quote from: Munch on August 15, 2018, 09:06:25 AM
I guess its just that this subject is very polarizing in how its the same examples pressed just on opposite ends of the spectrum, why is one person of a different ethnicity allowed to be racist but its not okay for someone of a different ethnicity, why does social media back up someone like that but wants to burn someone on a pike for doing the exact same thing to another group.
Racism simply isn't something that should be tolerated by a place claiming standards, if a newspaper will a white guy for being racist to black people, then why doesn't it fire an asian person for being racist to white.
I completely understand the hypocrisy of giving an Asian female a pass to make racially charged comments but punishing a white man for doing the same. I also don't want to work in a corporate culture that allows employees to disrespect one another. We want to work in an environment of respect where people are judged based on their performance and not their skin color, sex, religion or preferences.
My employer just changed the appearance policy and now employees are permitted to wear clothing that reveals tattoos. Last year all tattoos had to be covered. Forty years ago people were not allowed to be openly homosexual at work, today they are, forty years from now they might not be. That is what happens when rights are confused with norms, and corporate policies are based on norms. Rights have to be grounded on something sturdier. Freedom of speech is more resilient, though not immune, from the whims of popular culture. I want the decision of who gets to work and who doesn't, who can receive services and who is denied service, to be based on something more than which special interest group can scream the loudest and frighten the company into changing it's policies.
I think I've made my point and I'm not going to comment further. I really wasn't trying to be argumentative and I apologize if I was.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on August 15, 2018, 04:50:10 AM
No I am not.
I'm using ethics and business ethics.
I guess you can tell yourself that, if you want.
America, then and now ... New England puritanism, a gift that keeps on giving ..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ6b06gFmFg
You have admitted being a White male, a fascist, a misogynist, a racist ... You must tell us who the others are ... bwahaha.
This is bipartisan ... but we don't agree on who the witches are ...
When two women of color get it on ... sell tickets!
https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2018/08/16/detroit-rep-bettie-cook-scott-on-asian-opponent-dont-vote-for-the-ching-chong
This isn't about "mind blown" ... the only thing blown is your ideological stereotypes. This is politics, its a mud pit.
Quote from: Baruch on August 17, 2018, 07:17:05 AM
When two women of color get it on ... sell tickets!
https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2018/08/16/detroit-rep-bettie-cook-scott-on-asian-opponent-dont-vote-for-the-ching-chong
This isn't about "mind blown" ... the only thing blown is your ideological stereotypes. This is politics, its a mud pit.
Racial slurs, while covered by free speech, are for the slime balls. Yes, politics is a mud pit, but slime balls in a mud pit are just as loathsome as they are anywhere else. There is no reason to tolerate slime in politics on the grounds that, "Well, it's just the mud pit of politics." Instead, we tolerate it because it's legal.
Politics harms a lot of people. It might be the biggest source of harm humans must endure. But instead of harm by the hand of a serial killer, it's the harm of a thousand cuts. I accept that racial slurs are legal, both in and out of politics, but there's a lot more shit in politics that should be illegal that politicians have passed special laws to protect. i.e. legalized bribes. It just so happens that racial slurs are also granted protection for both politicians and ordinary slime balls. But we suck it up and endure the thousand cuts of slime balls and politicians because it's the law.
Quote from: SGOS on August 17, 2018, 08:08:12 AM
Racial slurs, while covered by free speech, are for the slime balls. Yes, politics is a mud pit, but slime balls in a mud pit are just as loathsome as they are anywhere else. There is no reason to tolerate slime in politics on the grounds that, "Well, it's just the mud pit of politics." Instead, we tolerate it because it's legal.
Politics harms a lot of people. It might be the biggest source of harm humans must endure. But instead of harm by the hand of a serial killer, it's the harm of a thousand cuts. I accept that racial slurs are legal, both in and out of politics, but there's a lot more shit in politics that should be illegal that politicians have passed special laws to protect. i.e. legalized bribes. It just so happens that racial slurs are also granted protection for both politicians and ordinary slime balls. But we suck it up and endure the thousand cuts of slime balls and politicians because it's the law.
I prefer the monarchy of Lilliput ... the PM candidates have to walk a tightrope and open their coddled eggs at the correct end ;-)
Quote from: pr126 on August 15, 2018, 02:46:07 AM
https://youtu.be/oVruEq-Gupk
https://youtu.be/gAcu0Rsfi6I
"The Left" does not especially love Islam. In fact, "The Left" is far less religious than "The Right" which certainly DOES love religions (which are all superstitions).
And I would bet that if there was an atheist, a christian, and a moslem locked in a room with knives, the christian and the moslem would team up to kill the atheist.
And when that is done, the Muslim would kill the Christian.
Allahu akbar!
Just finishing your story.
No, they will live happily ever after. Coexist!
Quote from: pr126 on August 22, 2018, 06:10:25 AM
And when that is done, the Muslim would kill the Christian.
Allahu akbar!
Just finishing your story.
No, they will live happily ever after. Coexist!
Or vice versa. But obviously, you miss the point. All religions have more in common with each other than any other thought.
No, I did not miss the point. You hate Christianity.
As much, if not more than I hate Islam.
Quote from: pr126 on August 22, 2018, 07:13:28 AM
No, I did not miss the point. You hate Christianity.
As much, if not more than I hate Islam.
My dislike of all theisms is about equal among them. I do have an interest in them all in a practical sense. The less violent they become, the less they worry me.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on August 16, 2018, 01:00:53 AM
I guess you can tell yourself that, if you want.
I know so. Unlike you.
"I know you are but what am I?"
"I am rubber and you are glue. Everything you say bounces off and sticks to you."
Grow up, kid.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on August 22, 2018, 04:29:39 PM
I know so. Unlike you.
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Quote from: Draconic Aiur on August 22, 2018, 04:29:39 PM
I know so. Unlike you.
Business ethics is only OK, if it is to prosper MJ growers ;-)
Quote from: PickelledEggs on August 22, 2018, 04:57:21 PM
"I know you are but what am I?"
"I am rubber and you are glue. Everything you say bounces off and sticks to you."
Grow up, kid.
I'm older than you.
Also when people get political and defend a racist woman because I said the business should fire her for incompetence and say I'm being political too because i disagree with them not of politically but more of ethical and business attitude then your being emotional and taking a side.
I got emotional because I was ganked by people defending a case to the point of insanity.