Good times coming. Brave new world in the making. I hope you'll like it.
QuoteIn this week's Analysis Behind the News video, JBS CEO Art Thompson discusses how many Americans have chased Agenda 21 planning out of their communities, but now the UN is replacing the Agenda 21 terminology with “The 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Developmentâ€; how the “2030 Agenda†will lead to a UN-dominated world government; how the “2030 Agenda†is grounded on the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which amounts to saying that rights are granted by the UN, not by God as our Declaration of Independence asserts; how the “2030 Agenda†promotes world-wide migration without regard to national boundaries; and how you can obtain a copy of the UN document, “Transforming Our World: The 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development†at
https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/post2015/transformingourworld
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMj6BQ00BbM
♫It starts when you're always afraid,
Step out of line and the man come and take you away.♫
I think it is inevitable. We will be long gone, but why not start working on it now? Lots and lots of loose ends. Who will clean up after North Korea for instance?
Quote from: aitm on March 27, 2018, 12:22:04 PM
I think it is inevitable. We will be long gone, but why not start working on it now? Lots and lots of loose ends. Who will clean up after North Korea for instance?
I am not volunteering for post genocide cleanup. I will eat my non-radioactive kimchee over here.
The billionaires own the planet, you and I are only vagrants, to be expelled.
I aleays Believed in a world government, problem is everyone wants their cake and to eat it took and are fighting each other for the same issues for a couple thousand years. Rich get richer, religious get crazier, ethnic get more nationalist. We’re more divided than we have been in ages and the lines keep getting drawn smaller and smaller in the sand.
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on March 27, 2018, 06:32:32 PM
I aleays Believed in a world government, problem is everyone wants their cake and to eat it took and are fighting each other for the same issues for a couple thousand years. Rich get richer, religious get crazier, ethnic get more nationalist. We’re more divided than we have been in ages and the lines keep getting drawn smaller and smaller in the sand.
Ultimate individualism is monarchia, le etat c'est moi.
What assurances are there that the one world government will be benign and not a tyranny?
If you don't like it where can you go? Soylent Green.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I90ka-Br5CQ
Quote from: pr126 on March 28, 2018, 03:30:11 AM
What assurances are there that the one world government will be benign and not a tyranny?
If you don't like it where can you go? Soylent Green.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I90ka-Br5CQ
George H W Bush - New World Order aka CIA order.
When are governments not a tyranny? When are apes not monkeys?
Blind ambition ... the key word is "blind".
I think there will be a Great Culling of the herd.
Quote from: pr126 on March 28, 2018, 05:34:38 AM
I think there will be a Great Culling of the herd.
Soylent Liberals, it's what's for supper. But with nuclear war, they only come in extra-crispy ;-(
Yes. The future will be bright. Very bright.
Snowflakes will melt. No safe places.
Quote from: pr126 on March 28, 2018, 06:17:50 AM
Yes. The future will be bright. Very bright.
Snowflakes will melt. No safe places.
Don't look into the light ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Esuhni7Nx0
Another collectivist utopia meets up with reality ...
The "one world government" is the Rapture of politics.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on March 28, 2018, 07:21:02 AM
The "one world government" is the Rapture of politics.
You can't be "ascended" unless you have a private country club membership.
What defines tyranny in the modern day when people describe every government in the west as imperialistic and tyrannical and the easy as post colonial and power hungry
From the document:
Quote1. We, the Heads of State and Government and High Representatives, meeting at the United Nations Headquarters in New York from 25-27 September 2015 as the Organization celebrates its seventieth anniversary, have decided today on new global Sustainable Development Goals.
QuoteWe are determined to end poverty and hunger, in all their forms and dimensions, and to ensure that all human beings can fulfill their potential in dignity and equality and in a healthy environment.
Beware of those who determined to build utopias.
It always ends in an awful lot of corpses.
Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Hirohito, Mao, Pol Pot, Che, Castro, and the ghost of Muhammad...
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on March 28, 2018, 09:25:24 AM
What defines tyranny in the modern day when people describe every government in the west as imperialistic and tyrannical and the easy as post colonial and power hungry
Good question, words keep changing their meaning. You meant "East" as post colonial, right? Words today don't match their classic meanings.
If you have something, and I try to take it away from you, you will object (I am being tyrannical). If you don't have something, and try to get it, but I try to stop you from getting it, you will object (I am being tyrannical). Is that a good 21st century definition? I see this on the personal/family level.
So, if you don't have ACA, but want ACA, and I try to stop it from being passed, then I am the bad guy. If you have ACA, and like it, and I try to take it away from you, then I am the bad guy. It isn't just "entitlements" of course, but that is where most people focus.
Nazi Germany is pretty clear .. they don't want France/Britain exploiting colonies, because Germany wants to do that instead. They don't want Stalin killing all the Kulaks, because they are much more ambitious in terms of who (E of Germany) they want to kill.
Communism is pretty clear too ... they don't want the US exploiting other countries in a post-colonial manner, the USSR and PRC want to do that instead. They don't want the US liberating USSR and PRC from single party dictatorship, because the party and its leadership are happy as things are.
QuoteBeware of those who determined to build utopias.
It always ends in an awful lot of corpses.
I don't think the attempted abolishment of poverty and reducing the number of starving people is "utopia". At best I think that is the bare minimum of what someone with even a basic shred of respect for humanity should aim for, particularly in a civilized society that has the resources to attempt it at the very least within it's own borders.
Or is it the second part you take offense to, that people should be treated as equals and with dignity? If so, I once again refer you to the foundation of Western civilization (humanism)... if that's the part you have a problem with, then once again you are explicitly stating your ideology is contradictory to what Western societies' stands for.
You cant cry at every turn that it is the "other" coming to destroy your civilization when you yourself hold to an ideology that repeatedly wants to run contrary to everything your civilization stands for.
Quote from: Shiranu on March 28, 2018, 01:06:04 PM
I don't think the attempted abolishment of poverty and reducing the number of starving people is "utopia". At best I think that is the bare minimum of what someone with even a basic shred of respect for humanity should aim for, particularly in a civilized society that has the resources to attempt it at the very least within it's own borders.
Or is it the second part you take offense to, that people should be treated as equals and with dignity? If so, I once again refer you to the foundation of Western civilization (humanism)... if that's the part you have a problem with, then once again you are explicitly stating your ideology is contradictory to what Western societies' stands for.
You cant cry at every turn that it is the "other" coming to destroy your civilization when you yourself hold to an ideology that repeatedly wants to run contrary to everything your civilization stands for.
You can abolish wealth, and Robespierre tried. But you can't abolish poverty ... because you can't abolish poor childhoods or abolish what species we are taking about. Yes, you are a monk ... everyone in the monastery embraces holy poverty ... you need to also. And plenty of work, not laying about. And discipline, lots of that too.
No, people aren't equal, so why should we treat them that way? Don't believe that Declaration of Independence, the work of traitors. Certainly doesn't your head explode when you read the deistic "god" part of it? The English are more sensible about this, having exiled their nut cases here. No, England has no Statue of Liberty. They have Britannia.
Sounds like conservative paranoia rubbish to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBp2ARF4cWI
The UN, like the League of Nations before it, is a European conspiracy. Just look at who originally was on the Security Counsel. But inevitably it became a tool for Third World governments (they are the majority in the general assembly). And yes, the Third World is coming, has been since 1950 ... like a plague of locusts. But locusts are kosher. You just need to eat the immigrants.
I don’t think the world will sleepwalk into global socialism. Serfdom, in reality.
There will be some resistance.
Too many want to rule the world.
Islam for a start. Then China. Russia. Soros.
Who will be the winner?
Quote from: pr126 on March 29, 2018, 06:19:41 AM
I don’t think the world will sleepwalk into global socialism. Serfdom, in reality.
There will be some resistance.
Too many want to rule the world.
Islam for a start. Then China. Russia. Soros.
Who will be the winner?
There are no winners that way. Even without nuclear war, the only way to win, is to not play the game.
Yes, nut jobs, who can't match their socks, want to rule the world.
We have chattel slavery (still, mostly for young teen girls), and plenty of wage and debt slavery. Debt slavery has been a big thing since 1980. Enjoy your chains Jacob Marley, you forged them yourself, one link at a time, and they are cumulatively heavy.
On a lighter note, let's remember the historical evidence ...
There is one universal human policy, that of the Huns and Mongols ... we will take your stuff, rape your women, enslave your children ... and kill your men. Feminism is big on the latter. There is patriarchy or matriarchy, there is no equality and no peaceful coexistence.
The moment the second amendment is repealed, your goose is cooked.
Don’t let it happen.
Quote from: pr126 on March 29, 2018, 06:40:16 AM
The moment the second amendment is repealed, your goose is cooked.
Don’t let it happen.
They are coming for the bump stocks and large mags ... just in case we have them. Most do not, but they need to invade every home and business, just to make sure. Maybe those folks in Las Vegas didn't die in vain, they died for the NWO.
How about China doing England one better ... they now claim to have AI and video cams and face recognition, so that jaywalkers can be automatically sent tickets for their jaywalking. That will end good! And here I thought all Asians looked alike. Who knew?
Quote from: pr126 on March 29, 2018, 06:40:16 AM
The moment the second amendment is repealed, your goose is cooked.
Don’t let it happen.
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https://youtu.be/ZjvPcpdu8mk
Shiranu - I am sure you can tell the lead monk, in the Zen dojo, when he hits you with the keisaku stick in the meditation hall (to make sure you stay awake) that he is violating your civil rights. Tell the master that you find koan study to be "triggering".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VzCD4XeDF4
What people want is libertinism and a free lunch. Zen dojos don't allow either. And everyone is almost equal.
Quote from: pr126 on March 29, 2018, 07:28:49 AM
https://youtu.be/ZjvPcpdu8mk
What makes the second amendment the last thread that is holding America together, and from whom is it protecting us from?
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on March 27, 2018, 11:11:31 AM
♫It starts when you're always afraid,
Step out of line and the man come and take you away.♫
I remember that well. Thank you.
Quote from: pr126 on March 28, 2018, 10:03:33 AM
From the document:
Beware of those who determined to build utopias.
It always ends in an awful lot of corpses.
Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Hirohito, Mao, Pol Pot, Che, Castro, and the ghost of Muhammad...
The goal isn't a Utopia that can never be achieved. The goal can be merely "better than today". And it won't happen with dictators as you suggest. And THAT is the goal of Progressives.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on March 28, 2018, 07:21:02 AM
The "one world government" is the Rapture of politics.
It is not. Not yet anyway. Perhaps if we become ready for it.
Think about history. We went from individuals to tribes to city-states, to countries to Nations, to a mild world discussion organization. It could advance in organiztion. I understand that you are afraid of other kinds of people.
Well. in the US, Virginians used to contend against Massachussetians and Pennsylvannians and Carolinans. We got over that, and it seems to have woked pretty well. So maybe there is a POSSIBILTY that we can slowly unite nation by nation to form a Whole Earhth.
And at THAT point, we would truly be able to start exploring the universe with all peoples contributing to the effort.
Or we could just sit on the planet and rot...
As always communication will be at the forefront of any global "takeover" by anyone...even the wealthy. They didn't have anything like we have now for instant communication. Today, parents can tweet their military child they see on TV holding a rifle at Kent State and ask "wtf are you doing?" Social media is far more dangerous to the rich than the poor. The poor can mobilize a lot sooner than the rich can buy poor soldiers to protect them from the soldiers own family.
In time the revolution in real life will make the French one pale. When it starts, Gates and Buffet will be long dead but the rich are leaving less kids and the poor are leaving more. You have to buy protection and the rich don't enough kids produce their own militia. They have to pay the kids of the poor to protect them...or raid orphanages.
Rid social media for at least 5 years and you may be able to get your TV futuristic wealthy on a floating man-made planet while the poor struggle on earth...but far too many bodies need to work to make all that happen and those bodies have a lot of family suffering on the surface of good ole earth.
The rich have a chance......a chance to survive....but it will most likely be smaller private space planes where their lack of survival skills will mean doom anyway. Someone has to cut wood and start a fire and learn how to make a cup out of palm fronds.
Quote from: aitm on March 29, 2018, 09:35:05 PM
As always communication will be at the forefront of any global "takeover" by anyone...even the wealthy. They didn't have anything like we have now for instant communication. Today, parents can tweet their military child they see on TV holding a rifle at Kent State and ask "wtf are you doing?" Social media is far more dangerous to the rich than the poor. The poor can mobilize a lot sooner than the rich can buy poor soldiers to protect them from the soldiers own family.
In time the revolution in real life will make the French one pale. When it starts, Gates and Buffet will be long dead but the rich are leaving less kids and the poor are leaving more. You have to buy protection and the rich don't enough kids produce their own militia. They have to pay the kids of the poor to protect them...or raid orphanages.
Rid social media for at least 5 years and you may be able to get your TV futuristic wealthy on a floating man-made planet while the poor struggle on earth...but far too many bodies need to work to make all that happen and those bodies have a lot of family suffering on the surface of good ole earth.
The rich have a chance......a chance to survive....but it will most likely be smaller private space planes where their lack of survival skills will mean doom anyway. Someone has to cut wood and start a fire and learn how to make a cup out of palm fronds.
I had to think about your individual sentences before I understood. I may disagree with a few, but I'm still considering them.
@ ShiranuThe government is not concerned about your "public safety". That is just an excuse to take away your weapons.
The second amendment:
QuoteA well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringe
It is supposed to protect you from tyranny. A rogue government for example.
Quote from: pr126 on March 30, 2018, 12:54:08 AM
@ Shiranu
The government is not concerned about your "public safety". That is just an excuse to take away your weapons.
The second amendment:
It is supposed to protect you from tyranny. A rogue government for example.
Like Trump's? Because it surely isn't Hillary's.
Why the Second Amendment? (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/03/why_the_second_amendment.html)
QuoteKeep in mind that a slick and sophisticated media machine is already in place and operates as the progressive liberal purveyor of propaganda. It is not simply a coincidence that the group of people who are working feverishly to rescind the Second Amendment are the same group of people opposed to free speech. They demand stifling regulation (suppression) of media outlets opposed to their agenda. They have recruited moneyed supporters willing to expend millions of dollars in order to achieve their nefarious goal â€" divesting law-abiding citizens of their firearms.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 30, 2018, 12:58:39 AM
Like Trump's? Because it surely isn't Hillary's.
So, fight your New England civil war ... and be a self righteous killer like John Brown? How will pacifists unarmed do anything? Ah, that is how America came about; we pacified the natives, pacified the African slaves, pacified our military opponents ... by being nice to them? Gandhi was a fool, as unfortunately was MLK. They are useful marionettes, only because they are dead. Not so useful when alive. Like the Jesus archetype, and Socrates; Gandhi and MLK got themselves martyred, to absolve India and America of their sins?
Yes, Hillary, the pacifist ...
Quote from: pr126 on March 30, 2018, 01:04:07 AM
Why the Second Amendment? (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/03/why_the_second_amendment.html)
I think it is clear, Cavebear would make a good autocrat, in Brussels.
Quotet is supposed to protect you from tyranny. A rogue government for example.
I see.
Two questions then...
A. What good are handguns, shotguns and even assault rifles against a government that spends $600 billion dollars on maintaining the largest and most advanced military in the world? What good is an AR-15 going to do against a force that has drones that can drop a bomb on your location without you even having the slightest knowledge of it until your splattered across several acres?
B. What do you count as a "rogue government", and why do you believe we are anywhere near having one?
Quote from: Shiranu on March 30, 2018, 03:09:07 AM
I see.
Two questions then...
A. What good are handguns, shotguns and even assault rifles against a government that spends $600 billion dollars on maintaining the largest and most advanced military in the world? What good is an AR-15 going to do against a force that has drones that can drop a bomb on your location without you even having the slightest knowledge of it until your splattered across several acres?
B. What do you count as a "rogue government", and why do you believe we are anywhere near having one?
A. A point I have tried to make several times. Any small military unit would wipe out 100 survivalists if they needed to.
B. So far, I'll trust to military to PROTECT us against a rogue government.
QuoteSo far, I'll trust to military to PROTECT us against a rogue government.
Who is the Commander in Chief?
Who is the military answerable to?
You or the government?
Quote from: pr126 on March 30, 2018, 04:05:45 AM
Who is the Commander in Chief?
Who is the military answerable to?
You or the government?
Civilian Government, a rational President, a rational judiciary, and a rational Congress... And a rational military, for that matter. We aren't a Junta country.
Rational? Are you betting the farm on that? LOL.
Understanding UN Population Migration Agenda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaoXB3a3f1o
Quote from: pr126 on March 30, 2018, 04:20:41 AM
Rational? Are you betting the farm on that? LOL.
Yes I am. That is what Democracy IS. You either bet on it full out or you don't and you didn't have it to begin with.
That's the hard decision you have to make PR. You do it or you don't. You trust in democracy or you don't. Youn expect everyone else aroubnd you to agree that it is the important thing or you don't.
The day that fails, democracy fails. And Trump is trying his best to destroy it. That is why he has to go. He wants the USA to be like Russia and China. He admires them, don't you understand that? He wants to be a Putin, a Xi Jinping. No other US President has ever pushed for that power.
But it won't be stopped with NRA members with AR-15s.
USA is not a democracy. It is a republic. "If you can keep it" - Benjamin Franklin.
Quote from: pr126 on March 30, 2018, 05:02:17 AM
USA is not a democracy. It is a republic. "If you can keep it" - Benjamin Franklin.
You are quite correct. But the difference means little in regards to keeping a civilian government. You either do or you don't.
Quote from: Shiranu on March 29, 2018, 09:15:21 PM
What makes the second amendment the last thread that is holding America together, and from whom is it protecting us from?
The Constitution is convenient for the gunners, so they mis-quote it routinely. They also preach armed insurrection if it is changed to make their toy collection moot.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on March 30, 2018, 06:18:51 AM
The Constitution is convenient for the gunners, so they mis-quote it routinely. They also preach armed insurrection if it is changed to make their toy collection moot.
Oooh, harshly put. I like that! I wish I had phrased it so well. Thank you.
Quote from: pr126 on March 30, 2018, 04:20:41 AM
Rational? Are you betting the farm on that? LOL.
Hitler was rational ... just over-ambitious and prejudiced. He was way more rational than the appeasers. He was the tiger, they were lunch.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 30, 2018, 05:56:02 AM
You are quite correct. But the difference means little in regards to keeping a civilian government. You either do or you don't.
CIA and FBI are civilian ... does that protect us? Democracy in the US, from 2016 onward is over. Actually for a lot longer than that. Trust voters? Bwahaha.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on March 30, 2018, 06:18:51 AM
The Constitution is convenient for the gunners, so they mis-quote it routinely. They also preach armed insurrection if it is changed to make their toy collection moot.
And both political parties collude with billionaires and screw the public. So no, not insurrection, that won't work. Democrats want that, to make the US safe for illegal immigrants and other D party voters (voter fraud). But maybe it is time to break up California, and leave part of it (Mohave) as a place to send all the liberals ;-)
Quote from: Cavebear on March 30, 2018, 06:22:53 AM
Oooh, harshly put. I like that! I wish I had phrased it so well. Thank you.
Damned by their own words, a most effective way of doing that.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on March 30, 2018, 06:57:50 AM
Damned by their own words, a most effective way of doing that.
One can only admire someone who puts things so well.