Okay, so there is this religion called Creativity, which is a religion based around the white race...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity_(religion)
And this religion was founded by Ben Klassen in 1973.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4f/Creativity_Movement_Logo.png)
Creativity Logo
Anyways, what do you think about this religion?
I think it proves my suspicions right.
Not unlike Dar al-Islam originally. All religions and cultural practices/artifacts are the result of human creativity.
But the notions of racism, are particularly ridiculous. Even Islam ultimately got past "Arabs are the master race" more or less. It became a universal religion, same as Buddhism and Christianity before it. Hinduism is not universal, nor is Judaism Though internally, this leads to arguments as to "who is Hindu" and "who is Jewish". For some Hindus, Hare Krishna in the West, isn't real Hinduism. Similarly, most Jews regard Jews For Jesus as not real Judaism.
Might as well convert to Realians in France, as the above quoted burlesque.
I went to a congregational Hannukah celebration last night, and ate latkes with apple sauce. Traditional Ashkenazi ... and I piss on anyone who thinks I am not Jewish enough, particularly other Jews ;-) I consider myself Kekistani ;-))
My question for this "White" religion is ... is it pagan, and is it Celtic or Germanic or some other hairy European cave-man cult?
Quote from: ƵenKlassen on December 16, 2017, 03:38:04 AM
Okay, so there is this religion called Creativity, which is a religion based around the white race...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity_(religion)
And this religion was founded by Ben Klassen in 1973.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4f/Creativity_Movement_Logo.png)
Creativity Logo
Anyways, what do you think about this religion?
You link suggests it does not exist. In any case, like all religions it is based upon fiction--so it sucks.
It is much easier to get away with an ancient popular fraud, than a recent un-popular one.
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 16, 2017, 12:45:20 PM
You link suggests it does not exist. In any case, like all religions it is based upon fiction--so it sucks.
Well, the wikipedia page does exists. You just have to click on "Did you mean: Creativity (religion)?" because the post
screwed up the link for some odd reason.And it is not based on fiction, since the white race actually does exist.
Quote from: Baruch on December 16, 2017, 10:57:44 AM
Not unlike Dar al-Islam originally. All religions and cultural practices/artifacts are the result of human creativity.
But the notions of racism, are particularly ridiculous. Even Islam ultimately got past "Arabs are the master race" more or less. It became a universal religion, same as Buddhism and Christianity before it. Hinduism is not universal, nor is Judaism Though internally, this leads to arguments as to "who is Hindu" and "who is Jewish". For some Hindus, Hare Krishna in the West, isn't real Hinduism. Similarly, most Jews regard Jews For Jesus as not real Judaism.
Might as well convert to Realians in France, as the above quoted burlesque.
I went to a congregational Hannukah celebration last night, and ate latkes with apple sauce. Traditional Ashkenazi ... and I piss on anyone who thinks I am not Jewish enough, particularly other Jews ;-) I consider myself Kekistani ;-))
My question for this "White" religion is ... is it pagan, and is it Celtic or Germanic or some other hairy European cave-man cult?
Well, I wouldn't really consider it a religion, since it is based around the white race rather than theology.The reason why it is a religion in the first place is because religions last way longer than political parties.
There we go, we finally have started to scrape the bottom of the barrel with new members, when we are now drawing white "separatists".
Quote from: ƵenKlassen on December 16, 2017, 09:47:21 PM
Well, the wikipedia page does exists. You just have to click on "Did you mean: Creativity (religion)?" because the post
screwed up the link for some odd reason.
And it is not based on fiction, since the white race actually does exist.
Yes, more an ideology than a religion. That is not much better. Actually people exist .. any grouping of people in this way is identity politics. And identity politics is crap out my ass. Race doesn't exist ... ethnicity does (cultural and linguistic) ... and often culture/language transcends biological background ... which for many individuals is as pure as any mongrel dog. Being a mongrel, rather than a pure breed is actually better for you. And culture does matter ... there are plenty of European related folks who are just so many barbarians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSXiVS_7eec
I can see why you were banned, if you are just a closet Nazi ;-( Sorry if that is true.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 16, 2017, 10:21:04 PM
There we go, we finally have started to scrape the bottom of the barrel with new members, when we are now drawing white "separatists".
Being separate (because you are inferior) is not the same as being separate (because you are superior). Of course all claims of inferiority are self-hate ... and all claims of superiority are ... laughable.
Quote from: ƵenKlassen on December 16, 2017, 09:47:21 PM
Well, the wikipedia page does exists. You just have to click on "Did you mean: Creativity (religion)?" because the post
screwed up the link for some odd reason.
And it is not based on fiction, since the white race actually does exist.
No, the 'white race' does not actually exist! There is no such thing as 'race'. It is a term used by the ignorant or willfully stupid. There is only one race of humans--humans. All differences are superficial.
Quote from: ƵenKlassen on December 16, 2017, 03:38:04 AM
Okay, so there is this religion called Creativity, which is a religion based around the white race...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity_(religion)
And this religion was founded by Ben Klassen in 1973.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4f/Creativity_Movement_Logo.png)
Creativity Logo
Anyways, what do you think about this religion?
Ben Klassen is a despicable creature--I hesitate to call him human. If you are related to him, then I pity you; I loath his beliefs. And yes, this 'religion' is based on a fiction--the fiction that there are 'races' and that the color of your skin imparts any kind of virtue to you--or any kind of inherent character traits or anything else. Do you believe the same as Ben Klassen???
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 16, 2017, 11:43:02 PM
Ben Klassen is a despicable creature--I hesitate to call him human. If you are related to him, then I pity you; I loath his beliefs. And yes, this 'religion' is based on a fiction--the fiction that there are 'races' and that the color of your skin imparts any kind of virtue to you--or any kind of inherent character traits or anything else. Do you believe the same as Ben Klassen???
Yes, I do believe the same as Ben Klassen, although I wouldn't call myself a "creator".Also, I'm not related to Ben Klassen.
QuoteYes, I do believe the same as Ben Klassen...
I actually have several questions, all stemming from the wikipedia link since that is all the information about your ideology I have available to me without really getting into it...
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...but to adherents of Creativity and the White Race (which is credited with the creation of civilization)."
-If the "white race" created civilization, then what were the Old Kingdom in Egypt, the Indus River civilizations, the Mesopotamians like Ur and Babylon, the Xia/Shang/Zhou dynasties of China, the Aztec/Mayan/Pueblan/Mississippian or Cado/Inca empires in the Americas?
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..."The movement, as formulated by Ben Klassen, exists for the "survival, expansion and advancement of the White Race."
-If the white race is not capable of surviving despite having superiour resources and apparently being the wisest race of them all, can it not be argued that they don't deserve to survive? After all if you are that superiour and still unable to maintain your superiourity, than you are weak and need to be culled.
(Note: That argument is entirely meant to question the idea of white supremacy and not even remotely how I feel about it)
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"They believe that American culture is becoming "more decadent," as evidenced by "black crimes, the growing acceptance of homosexuality, interracial marriage, increasing drug use, and the lack of racial identity among white people"."
- I am over a quarter Italian and Middle Eastern; some people say they are white, historically they weren't. Historically Irish were not white either, yet they are about as visually white as you can get. How can white people maintain racial identity when the very definition of white has been varying for the 300 or so years when social Darwinist started making it a "scientific" thought?
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"Creators are taught to hate their enemies and non-whites (according to Klassen, "Jews, niggers and mud races")..."
Two questions...
-As someone of Middle Eastern and Southern European descent, am I a mud race? Does that exclude me from your little circle jerk of bigotry, or if I really love white people enough am I white enough to be cool?
-Do you believe the Creativity, at it's very core, is not primarily a hate group rather than a white-appreciation group?
Quote from: ƵenKlassen on December 17, 2017, 12:45:47 AM
Yes, I do believe the same as Ben Klassen, although I wouldn't call myself a "creator".
Also, I'm not related to Ben Klassen.
I believe in free belief and free speech. But both of those have consequences.
Are you saying that "White" is cultural/linguistic or biological? For instance Europeans got well ahead of many other people, for various reasons, one of which was cultural/linguistic ... but not because of something irrelevant as skin color or other biological trivialities.
Quote from: ƵenKlassen on December 17, 2017, 12:45:47 AM
Yes, I do believe the same as Ben Klassen, although I wouldn't call myself a "creator".
Also, I'm not related to Ben Klassen.
If you, as you stated, believe as Ben Klassen did, then you too are not really human and are despicable. This is hard to believe, but you are in a group that is even more despicable than any organized religion. You are simply a waste--too bad you are even taking up oxygen that other creatures could use.
Now I can understand why you would be banned at almost any forum.
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 17, 2017, 09:07:52 AM
Now I can understand why you would be banned at almost any forum.
Probably even Stormfront is too narrowly ideological. If one is sufficiently unique, then one has no friends.
I think we have another nutcase here, but that's just my opinion.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 18, 2017, 06:29:29 AM
I think we have another nutcase here, but that's just my opinion.
I share that with you. He seems to be one who believes in the concept of 'Mud People'.
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 18, 2017, 08:25:00 AM
I share that with you. He seems to be one who believes in the concept of 'Mud People'.
I looked that up and there seem to be varying definitions. Some are displaced aborigines. I prefer the "stupid" definition myself.
I wonder if he will ever address my questions... maybe it's because I'm a quarter+ of a lesser race, and they aren't suppose to communicate with us.
Any white people want to give it a go?
Quote from: Shiranu on December 18, 2017, 07:23:06 PM
I wonder if he will ever address my questions... maybe it's because I'm a quarter+ of a lesser race, and they aren't suppose to communicate with us.
Any white people want to give it a go?
This is my attempt to answer your questions. They are good questions--but they will not be answered by this particular Nazi. Why? Because he was correct in trying to make his set of beliefs into a religion. Religious people don't like facts--just beliefs. A proof for them is a set of 'sincere beliefs'. Facts don't fit anywhere there. So, our white supremacist has no facts to give us, only a set of beliefs based solely on hatred; facts and critical thinking simply cannot be tolerated. They have such a poor self image and sense of self worth that the only way they can feel better about themselves is to try to put down all those who don't believe as they do. If all others are beyond contempt, then they 'must' be the best.
Race doesn't exist, according to science.
Quote from: Gregory on March 06, 2020, 12:44:05 AM
Race doesn't exist, according to science.
That is what the tortoise told the hare. Mind fake!
Quote from: Gregory on March 06, 2020, 12:44:05 AM
Race doesn't exist, according to science.
That's correct--there is only one human race.
Quote from: Mike Cl on March 06, 2020, 11:16:02 AM
That's correct--there is only one human race.
Said by a fellow partial Neanderthal. Most Africans though, have no Neanderthal genes.
Quote from: Baruch on March 06, 2020, 11:29:30 AM
Said by a fellow partial Neanderthal. Most Africans though, have no Neanderthal genes.
.........................and you have a point (for a change)?
Quote from: Mike Cl on March 06, 2020, 01:08:11 PM
.........................and you have a point (for a change)?
Well, only if you care that most people of European descent have a few percent Neanderthal in them. At least I didn't inherit the big brow ridge and receding forehead ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on March 06, 2020, 06:47:35 PM
Well, only if you care that most people of European descent have a few percent Neanderthal in them. At least I didn't inherit the big brow ridge and receding forehead ;-)
No, I don't care. It is interesting that Neanderthal genes are in the gene pool, but I have not seen any lately, so I'd say that humans are a single 'race', which means there are no other humanoids, just humans. Do you count yourself as a separate race --if you do, I'd support you in that assertion.
Religions are the epitome of creativity. Just make shit up, assemble a list of excuses. Viola, bullshit on a cracker!
Quote from: aitm on March 07, 2020, 07:38:15 AM
Religions are the epitome of creativity. Just make shit up, assemble a list of excuses. Viola, bullshit on a cracker!
Shouldn't that be--bullshit for a cracker?
Let's be honest, the discourse that there is no race in human species is just for ''political correctness.''
Biologist agree that there are some human races they categorize...just like german shepherd, dogo argentino, or french bulldog :D
Quote from: Mike Cl on March 06, 2020, 10:24:30 PM
No, I don't care. It is interesting that Neanderthal genes are in the gene pool, but I have not seen any lately, so I'd say that humans are a single 'race', which means there are no other humanoids, just humans. Do you count yourself as a separate race --if you do, I'd support you in that assertion.
Yes, we are all slaves of the UN, identical clowns, increasingly infertile feminist drone workers in the communist hive ;-)
Would I consider someone's skin color in any question? Not at all. But neutrality isn't where ideology has gone to. Now some of us are more equal than others. So much better than the old system of we are all unequal, but some forms of inequality are more unequal than others ;-)
At Animal Farm, all ideology is monkey gibberish.
Quote from: aitm on March 07, 2020, 07:38:15 AM
Religions are the epitome of creativity. Just make shit up, assemble a list of excuses. Viola, bullshit on a cracker!
Death to novels, to poetry, to drawing, to painting ... uh, you are a philistine then?
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on March 07, 2020, 08:44:53 AM
Let's be honest, the discourse that there is no race in human species is just for ''political correctness.''
Biologist agree that there are some human races they categorize...just like german shepherd, dogo argentino, or french bulldog :D
Breeds. I am a bulldog of course (old avatar).
Quote from: Baruch on March 07, 2020, 10:07:56 AM
Breeds. I am a bulldog of course (old avatar).
Well, you got the "bull" part right, anyway...
:-P
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 07, 2020, 01:41:00 PM
Well, you got the "bull" part right, anyway...
:-P
And you are paper mâché.
More like paper macho! LOL