I'm well aware that many of you think both political parties in the US are rotten to the core and I can't entirely disagree with the sentiment, but yesterday the Rs got their asses handed to them in elections in Virginia and New Jersey and the moral of the story according to The REAL Donkey Turd, el fearless leader, the Twittle Dumb Don Gillespie didn't embrace him and his alleged policies enough..
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on November 08, 2017, 09:33:44 AM
I'm well aware that many of you think both political parties in the US are rotten to the core and I can't entirely disagree with the sentiment, but yesterday the Rs got their asses handed to them in elections in Virginia and New Jersey and the moral of the story according to The REAL Donkey Turd, el fearless leader, the Twittle Dumb Don Gillespie didn't embrace him and his alleged policies enough..
Yeah, it's an interesting reaction over on that side of the aisle. Gillespie tried to run on Trumpism without actually associating himself with the trope namer. The Deplorables say he lost because he didn't kiss enough Trump ass. The exit polls say the voters were casting their ballots against Trumpism. The only real hope Gillespie had was to not be Gillespie.
Meanwhile, one of Gov. Kasich's aide's tweeted: "I'm not gleeful about GOP losing elections. But if you have gangrene in your leg (Trump), chop the sucker off. But 2018 is looming & that is a big chop. #WakeUpGOP". So it looks like Conservageddon is (finally) about to start. I expect teabaggers to come out of the woodwork next year to launch primary challenges against insufficiently "ideologically pure" Repubs, while Repubs in competitive races will be putting up their own border walls to keep Asshole far away from their districts.
The pure gold scenario is mainstream Republicans in competitive districts being knocked out by teabagger extremists in their primaries (it is, of course, the the hardcore who are vastly more likely to vote in an off year primary), which extremists then get clobbered by any Democrat who doesn't piss on themselves on camera.
Yeah, Kasich seems to be bucking the trend of extremism in Ohio. He's not my favorite politician by any stretch, but if I was forced to vote for an R Kasich would probably be the one I'd vote for. Back when I lived in Columbus I had a friend who grew up with him and though he's a democrat he had good words about Kasich..
Anyway, it's great to see there's still a pulse in team blue.. Should we send Twittle Dumb a thank you letter for being such an anchor on the R juggernaut?
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on November 08, 2017, 02:23:11 PM
Yeah, Kasich seems to be bucking the trend of extremism in Ohio. He's not my favorite politician by any stretch, but if I was forced to vote for an R Kasich would probably be the one I'd vote for. Back when I lived in Columbus I had a friend who grew up with him and though he's a democrat he had good words about Kasich..
Anyway, it's great to see there's still a pulse in team blue.. Should we send Twittle Dumb a thank you letter for being such an anchor on the R juggernaut?
Well, it's worth noting that Kasich is only moderate
in comparison -- he's still an enemy of women's rights, workers' rights, and sensible tax policy.
The one thing Kasich has that appears to be absent from the rest of the GOP is an ability to choose his battles and back down when necessary. When he first took office, he tried the same union-busting that Walker did in Wisconsin, and since Ohio doesn't have a provision to recall a governor, we instead put a repeal on the state ballot. And being able to see which way the winds were blowing -- it was never close, SB5 was always doomed once the veto referendum got on the ballot -- he took the rebuke gracefully (it went down hard, 62%-38% to repeal) and hasn't tried it since.
I suspect he's prepping himself to launch a primary challenge to Lord Dampnut in '20. And without a crowded field, he may be able to do significant damage.
Keep putting your money down on the red three or black seven, in political roulette.
Don naT rump is self destructive, but right now Democrats got nobody in the plans. Maybe its a good day for Baruch to put on his political hat.... I never took mine off but I aint rich enough to make a go at it.
Quote from: fencerider on November 08, 2017, 11:57:02 PM
Don naT rump is self destructive, but right now Democrats got nobody in the plans. Maybe its a good day for Baruch to put on his political hat.... I never took mine off but I aint rich enough to make a go at it.
I would have to run as an independent ... and not like Bernie. If I ran, my platform would be relatively liberal, but pragmatic. No pie in the sky, no promise to buy votes, no sacred cows to protect. The status quo isn't sacred, and changing things just to change things isn't clever. Honesty, competence (in a context of human chaos), caring for people (not what I spout here) not TLC for vested interests/collectives. That and make them feel irrationally good about themselves (Trumpism). And I would never ever Twitter. Every statement would be calculated, but for the common good, not for the common evil. Again, opposite of my behavior here. But there are reasons why a candidate like that isn't attractive ... because Americans decry yet want someone exactly the opposite of that. Y'all want your shit, not the other guy's shit.
It would be hard to deal with the Deep State ... I support government, but don't like real politik. Signing assassination orders or other criminal acts, because it is the right thing to do, would bother me. And I don't support voluntary war (which seems to be the growth industry).
Quote from: trdsf on November 08, 2017, 03:25:52 PM
Well, it's worth noting that Kasich is only moderate in comparison -- he's still an enemy of women's rights, workers' rights, and sensible tax policy.
The one thing Kasich has that appears to be absent from the rest of the GOP is an ability to choose his battles and back down when necessary. When he first took office, he tried the same union-busting that Walker did in Wisconsin, and since Ohio doesn't have a provision to recall a governor, we instead put a repeal on the state ballot. And being able to see which way the winds were blowing -- it was never close, SB5 was always doomed once the veto referendum got on the ballot -- he took the rebuke gracefully (it went down hard, 62%-38% to repeal) and hasn't tried it since.
I suspect he's prepping himself to launch a primary challenge to Lord Dampnut in '20. And without a crowded field, he may be able to do significant damage.
One of the things that amaze me most about recent politics is how the politicians I (we?) thought were crazy nut jobs are now Republican "moderates". The nut jobs didn't change their views, they just got out-nutted in their primaries.
Is there any limit to the right drift of the Republicans?
Quote from: Cavebear on November 11, 2017, 01:57:34 AM
One of the things that amaze me most about recent politics is how the politicians I (we?) thought were crazy nut jobs are now Republican "moderates". The nut jobs didn't change their views, they just got out-nutted in their primaries.
Is there any limit to the right drift of the Republicans?
Dictatorship coming soon. If you move far enough Left or Right, you meet in the middle, but opposite to Center.
Quote from: Baruch on November 11, 2017, 02:21:36 AM
Dictatorship coming soon. If you move far enough Left or Right, you meet in the middle, but opposite to Center.
I suspect the US political system is still healthy enough to protect us from a dictatorship. Trump and some Republicans want it but it isn't going to happen. The 2018 elections are like to prove that.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 11, 2017, 02:53:45 AM
I suspect the US political system is still healthy enough to protect us from a dictatorship. Trump and some Republicans want it but it isn't going to happen. The 2018 elections are like to prove that.
We have been under CIA direction since before JFK. But in the shadows. The only question will be when it gets patently obvious ... with R and D goose-stepping hand in hand ;-(
Quote from: Baruch on November 11, 2017, 10:37:20 AM
We have been under CIA direction since before JFK. But in the shadows. The only question will be when it gets patently obvious ... with R and D goose-stepping hand in hand ;-(
I looked up "conspiracy theorist" in my dictionary just now, and there was your picture...
The CIA is too incompetent to run the world. Actually, everyone is.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 11, 2017, 10:42:22 AM
I looked up "conspiracy theorist" in my dictionary just now, and there was your picture...
The CIA is too incompetent to run the world. Actually, everyone is.
You and I may realize that, but that is their mission statement from 1946, and they believe it. MI6 too, and KGB etc. We are their tools, we aren't people to them.
Quote from: Baruch on November 11, 2017, 10:46:37 AM
You and I may realize that, but that is their mission statement from 1946, and they believe it. MI6 too, and KGB etc. We are their tools, we aren't people to them.
The People are too much for them to control, and you should know that. We are not their tools. The voices in my teeth say so. j/k/
Quote from: Cavebear on November 11, 2017, 12:06:51 PM
The People are too much for them to control, and you should know that. We are not their tools. The voices in my teeth say so. j/k/
See, you have a political faith. I have lost that. Make a-political like a-theist ... you liked it so much ... "a-thinking". Apply the meme everywhere.
Quote from: Baruch on November 11, 2017, 01:05:03 PM
See, you have a political faith. I have lost that. Make a-political like a-theist ... you liked it so much ... "a-thinking". Apply the meme everywhere.
Should I remind you that you are NOT "a-conspiracy"?
Quote from: Cavebear on November 11, 2017, 01:07:57 PM
Should I remind you that you are NOT "a-conspiracy"?
People are always conspiring but it is usually called partnership or marriage.
Quote from: Baruch on November 11, 2017, 01:34:13 PM
People are always conspiring but it is usually called partnership or marriage.
Hmmm, should I offer a woman a "conspiracy agreement"?
Quote from: Cavebear on November 11, 2017, 01:48:39 PM
Hmmm, should I offer a woman a "conspiracy agreement"?
Yes, but have your prenup witnessed by the FBI or CIA ;-)
Quote from: Cavebear on November 11, 2017, 01:57:34 AM
One of the things that amaze me most about recent politics is how the politicians I (we?) thought were crazy nut jobs are now Republican "moderates". The nut jobs didn't change their views, they just got out-nutted in their primaries.
Is there any limit to the right drift of the Republicans?
I thought there was until last year. Now I know there are no depths of political depravity they will not plumb.
a-thinking: that would be Trump
protecting the sacred cows: You must protect the sacred cows. You wouldn’t want them to get damaged before its time to throw them on the barbee.
I have never seen a goose goose-stepping usually they waddle.
Quote from: trdsf on November 12, 2017, 12:44:47 AM
I thought there was until last year. Now I know there are no depths of political depravity they will not plumb.
Maybe they have an extra dose of fluoride in their water
Quote from: trdsf on November 12, 2017, 12:44:47 AM
I thought there was until last year. Now I know there are no depths of political depravity they will not plumb.
Imagine a cliff.
Imagine a group of people walking backwards toward the cliff edge.
And imagine them refusing to pay for a fence at the cliff edge.
Those are Republicans...
Quote from: fencerider on November 13, 2017, 01:43:09 AM
a-thinking: that would be Trump
protecting the sacred cows: You must protect the sacred cows. You wouldn’t want them to get damaged before its time to throw them on the barbee.
I have never seen a goose goose-stepping usually they waddle.
Maybe they have an extra dose of fluoride in their water
I think it more likely there is lead in their water...
Quote from: Cavebear on November 15, 2017, 03:08:28 AM
Imagine a cliff.
Imagine a group of people walking backwards toward the cliff edge.
And imagine them refusing to pay for a fence at the cliff edge.
Those are Republicans...
I would tell them to walk faster, and don't forget to take a Democrat with you ;-)
Quote from: Cavebear on November 11, 2017, 10:42:22 AM
I looked up "conspiracy theorist" in my dictionary just now, and there was your picture...
The CIA is too incompetent to run the world. Actually, everyone is.
That's why we need Eidolan, AI:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjbqX0ECPFk
Quote from: Cavebear on November 15, 2017, 03:08:28 AM
Imagine a cliff.
Imagine a group of people walking backwards toward the cliff edge.
And imagine them refusing to pay for a fence at the cliff edge.
Those are Republicans...
I'm imagining someone jumping out in front of them and yelling "BOO!". At least some of them would jump backwards...
Quote from: trdsf on November 16, 2017, 03:21:45 PM
I'm imagining someone jumping out in front of them and yelling "BOO!". At least some of them would jump backwards...
Yelling "boo" at them is not even necessary. They are walking backwards fully on their own.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 18, 2017, 12:15:28 AM
Yelling "boo" at them is not even necessary. They are walking backwards fully on their own.
I want their utter and total collapse to be expedited.
Quote from: trdsf on November 20, 2017, 02:40:02 PM
I want their utter and total collapse to be expedited.
I understand that sentiment ... that is what empowers the Syth.
Quote from: trdsf on November 20, 2017, 02:40:02 PM
I want their utter and total collapse to be expedited.
Identifying "their" might be helpful...
Quote from: Cavebear on November 26, 2017, 02:21:56 AM
Identifying "their" might be helpful...
Sorry, the clusterfuck currently identifying itself as the Republican party.
Quote from: trdsf on November 26, 2017, 03:56:25 AM
Sorry, the clusterfuck currently identifying itself as the Republican party.
Onya!