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Title: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: broken failures on September 21, 2017, 08:39:38 AM
Practical Explanation ( For Example ) :- `1st of all can you tell me every single seconds detail from that time when you born ?? ( i need every seconds detail ?? that what- what you have thought and done on every single second )

can you tell me every single detail of your `1 cheapest Minute Or your whole hour, day, week, month, year or your whole life ??

if you are not able to tell me about this life then what proof do you have that you didn't forget your past ? and that you will not forget this present life in the future ?

that is Fact that Supreme Lord Krishna exists but we posses no such intelligence to understand him.
there is also next life. and i already proved you that no scientist, no politician, no so-called intelligent man in this world is able to understand this Truth. cuz they are imagining. and you cannot imagine what is god, who is god, what is after life etc.
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for example :Your father existed before your birth. you cannot say that before your birth your father don,t exists.

So you have to ask from mother, "Who is my father?" And if she says, "This gentleman is your father," then it is all right. It is easy.
Otherwise, if you makes research, "Who is my father?" go on searching for life; you'll never find your father.

( now maybe...maybe you will say that i will search my father from D.N.A, or i will prove it by photo's, or many other thing's which i will get from my mother and prove it that who is my Real father.{ So you have to believe the authority. who is that authority ? she is your mother. you cannot claim of any photo's, D.N.A or many other things without authority ( or ur mother ).

if you will show D.N.A, photo's, and many other proofs from other women then your mother. then what is use of those proofs ??} )

same you have to follow real authority. "Whatever You have spoken, I accept it," Then there is no difficulty. And You are accepted by Devala, Narada, Vyasa, and You are speaking Yourself, and later on, all the acaryas have accepted. Then I'll follow.
I'll have to follow great personalities. The same reason mother says, this gentleman is my father. That's all. Finish business. Where is the necessity of making research? All authorities accept Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. You accept it; then your searching after God is finished.

Why should you waste your time?
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all that is you need is to hear from authority ( same like mother ). and i heard this truth from authority " Srila Prabhupada " he is my spiritual master.
im not talking these all things from my own.
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in this world no `1 can be Peace full. this is all along Fact.

cuz we all are suffering in this world 4 Problems which are Disease, Old age, Death, and Birth after Birth.

tell me are you really happy ?? you can,t be happy if you will ignore these 4 main problem. then still you will be Forced by Nature.
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if you really want to be happy then follow these 6 Things which are No illicit s.ex, No g.ambling, No d.rugs ( No tea & coffee ), No meat-eating ( No onion & garlic's )

5th thing is whatever you eat `1st offer it to Supreme Lord Krishna. ( if you know it what is Guru parama-para then offer them food not direct Supreme Lord Krishna )

and 6th " Main Thing " is you have to Chant " hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare ".
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If your not able to follow these 4 things no illicit s.ex, no g.ambling, no d.rugs, no meat-eating then don,t worry but chanting of this holy name ( Hare Krishna Maha-Mantra ) is very-very and very important.

Chant " hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare " and be happy.

if you still don,t believe on me then chant any other name for 5 Min's and chant this holy name for 5 Min's and you will see effect. i promise you it works And chanting at least 16 rounds ( each round of 108 beads ) of the Hare Krishna maha-mantra daily.
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Here is no Question of Holy Books quotes, Personal Experiences, Faith or Belief. i accept that Sometimes Faith is also Blind. Here is already Practical explanation which already proved that every`1 else in this world is nothing more then Busy Foolish and totally idiot.
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Source(s):
every `1 is already Blind in this world and if you will follow another Blind then you both will fall in hole. so try to follow that person who have Spiritual Eyes who can Guide you on Actual Right Path. ( my Authority & Guide is my Spiritual Master " Srila Prabhupada " )
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if you want to see Actual Purpose of human life then see this link : ( Nope) read it complete. ( i promise only readers of this book that they { he/she } will get every single answer which they want to know about why im in this material world, who im, what will happen after this life, what is best thing which will make Human Life Perfect, and what is perfection of Human Life. ) purpose of human life is not to live like animal cuz every`1 at present time doing 4 thing which are sleeping, eating, s.ex & fear. purpose of human life is to become freed from Birth after birth, Old Age, Disease, and Death.

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Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Mike Cl on September 21, 2017, 08:43:23 AM
Ibn.....Ibn.....is that you????!
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: broken failures on September 21, 2017, 08:46:02 AM
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 21, 2017, 08:43:23 AM
Ibn.....Ibn.....is that you????!

so you mean that someone has another explanation like this Practical explanation ? kindly explain it ( friend )

and anyway you also read very fast. ( i belive you )
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: SGOS on September 21, 2017, 08:47:37 AM
<sigh>
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Mike Cl on September 21, 2017, 10:33:31 AM
Quote from: broken failures on September 21, 2017, 08:46:02 AM
so you mean that someone has another explanation like this Practical explanation ? kindly explain it ( friend )

and anyway you also read very fast. ( i belive you )
Well, friend, I did not read that wall of crap.  Your first couple of sentences told me that you are simply a brain dead theist.  You have no proof of anything you prattle on about.  God and Jesus and Krishna or any other god(s) is a fiction.  What do you expect to accomplish here?  Converts??  Well............you are brain dead, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Unbeliever on September 21, 2017, 10:42:13 AM
This same (I think) post was posted at God Not Found several years ago. I have no idea why it showed up here, now.




Ah, I was right. Here it is, from 2014:


http://nullgod.com/index.php?topic=1226.0
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Mike Cl on September 21, 2017, 11:02:32 AM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 21, 2017, 10:42:13 AM
This same (I think) post was posted at God Not Found several years ago. I have no idea why it showed up here, now.




Ah, I was right. Here it is, from 2014:


http://nullgod.com/index.php?topic=1226.0
Nice catch.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: broken failures on September 21, 2017, 11:24:05 AM
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 21, 2017, 10:33:31 AM
Well, friend, I did not read that wall of crap.  Your first couple of sentences told me that you are simply a brain dead theist.  You have no proof of anything you prattle on about.  God and Jesus and Krishna or any other god(s) is a fiction.  What do you expect to accomplish here?  Converts??  Well............you are brain dead, that's for sure.

alright - alright my brain is dead. but if your brain is fertile `1 than recall everything which you have thought or done on each second within`1 minute and prove it that your so called brain is really fertile and not dead. ( its an open challenge )

do you think you are son of 1 man ? are you son/daughter of 1 man ? than recall everything and prove yourself. ( fertile bluff )
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and now take it as granted that you are not son of 1 man anymore. cuz you are not going to recall anything at all. *take it as granted*

and it is not purpose of human life which is crap but it is you who is crap. so dont shift burdon of proof on it. ;)
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: broken failures on September 21, 2017, 11:28:48 AM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 21, 2017, 10:42:13 AM
This same (I think) post was posted at God Not Found several years ago. I have no idea why it showed up here, now.




Ah, I was right. Here it is, from 2014:


http://nullgod.com/index.php?topic=1226.0

( uncivilized bachelor daddy ) dont pose like you are first class man. you are not even gentleman. ( irresponsible bachelor daddy ) you are damn hypocrite fraud.

and - and if you are son of 1 man than kindly point out the damn fallacy from this Practical explanation and than talk. ( nonsense bluff )
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Mike Cl on September 21, 2017, 11:39:04 AM
Quote from: broken failures on September 21, 2017, 11:24:05 AM
alright - alright my brain is dead. but if your brain is fertile `1 than recall everything which you have thought or done on each second within`1 minute and prove it that your so called brain is really fertile and not dead. ( its an open challenge )

do you think you are son of 1 man ? are you son/daughter of 1 man ? than recall everything and prove yourself. ( fertile bluff )
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and now take it as granted that you are not son of 1 man anymore. cuz you are not going to recall anything at all. *take it as granted*

and it is not purpose of human life which is crap but it is you who is crap. so dont shift burdon of proof on it. ;)
I'll give you an open challenge--leave.  Not going to waste anymore effort on you.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: broken failures on September 21, 2017, 11:43:18 AM
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 21, 2017, 11:39:04 AM
I'll give you an open challenge--leave.  Not going to waste anymore effort on you.

and now one man is throwing shoe filled with potty on your face with open challenge. and you are not taking care of it ?

unless you are dead horse it is not possible. so dont shift burdon of proof on me. cuz it is i who will not waste his time on dead horse like you.

now kindly enjoy your stay with the damn smell of potty and urine. ;) i know you are very fond of it. so enjoy it more. *broken failure*
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Mike Cl on September 21, 2017, 11:50:22 AM
Quote from: broken failures on September 21, 2017, 11:43:18 AM
and now one man is throwing shoe filled with potty on your face with open challenge. and you are not taking care of it ?

unless you are dead horse it is not possible. so dont shift burdon of proof on me. cuz it is i who will not waste his time on dead horse like you.

now kindly enjoy your stay with the damn smell of potty and urine. ;) i know you are very fond of it. so enjoy it more. *broken failure*
:))))
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: broken failures on September 21, 2017, 11:51:20 AM
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 21, 2017, 11:50:22 AM
:))))

enjoy enjoy the damn smell of potty and urine. ;) *broken failure*
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: sdelsolray on September 21, 2017, 12:31:48 PM
Tough guy.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: aitm on September 21, 2017, 12:46:34 PM
Get the fuck outa here.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Mike Cl on September 21, 2017, 12:48:57 PM
Broken failure................hmmmm......if something is broken then it can't be fixed or at least is not usable.  And it would be a failure to use it--sort of like broken.  Is a double negative a positive????
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Baruch on September 21, 2017, 01:02:36 PM
Maybe Ibn converted to Hinduism already ... and it wasn't an improvement? ;-(
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: trdsf on September 21, 2017, 01:24:29 PM
Wow, banned in under four hours?  Nice.  Is that a record?  I mean, other than for obvious spammers?
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Unbeliever on September 21, 2017, 01:47:49 PM
He only posted once at God Not Found - I feel slighted!
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Blackleaf on September 21, 2017, 04:01:44 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 21, 2017, 10:42:13 AM
This same (I think) post was posted at God Not Found several years ago. I have no idea why it showed up here, now.




Ah, I was right. Here it is, from 2014:


http://nullgod.com/index.php?topic=1226.0

So this guy either plagiarized the post, or he saved it, thinking it was such a zinger.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Baruch on September 21, 2017, 07:37:10 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 21, 2017, 10:42:13 AM
This same (I think) post was posted at God Not Found several years ago. I have no idea why it showed up here, now.




Ah, I was right. Here it is, from 2014:


http://nullgod.com/index.php?topic=1226.0

God Not Found is your forum?  You are the same Unbeliever?
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Unbeliever on September 21, 2017, 08:03:56 PM
At your service, sir!
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Baruch on September 21, 2017, 08:30:27 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 21, 2017, 08:03:56 PM
At your service, sir!

I enjoyed the link to Ambrose Beirce Comparative Religion Glossary.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Cavebear on September 23, 2017, 03:51:52 AM
Quote from: broken failures on September 21, 2017, 11:43:18 AM
and now one man is throwing shoe filled with potty on your face with open challenge. and you are not taking care of it ?

unless you are dead horse it is not possible. so dont shift burdon of proof on me. cuz it is i who will not waste his time on dead horse like you.

now kindly enjoy your stay with the damn smell of potty and urine. ;) i know you are very fond of it. so enjoy it more. *broken failure*

6 posts and that was "a lot of effort"?  I've seen more effort from a cat-caught rabbit...  LOL!
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Drew_2017 on September 25, 2017, 05:37:49 PM
Makes me feel almost welcome...
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Drew_2017 on September 25, 2017, 05:39:03 PM
Would you believe barely tolerated?
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Jason78 on September 25, 2017, 06:29:02 PM
What did I just read?
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Baruch on September 25, 2017, 07:31:23 PM
Quote from: Jason78 on September 25, 2017, 06:29:02 PM
What did I just read?

Once you read it, you can't unread it.  It has control of your Id now!  Bwahah.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Sal1981 on September 26, 2017, 04:56:04 PM
Seems like a pretty standard rebuttal to wishful thinking to me.

Sendt fra min SM-G920F med Tapatalk

Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on September 26, 2017, 05:40:07 PM
What the fuck is this shit?


Sent while riding my mighty steed: Godzilla
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 03:24:47 AM
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on September 26, 2017, 05:40:07 PM
What the fuck is this shit?


Sent while riding my mighty steed: Godzilla

Another crazy one...  They go away eventually.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Unbeliever on September 28, 2017, 02:35:23 PM
When the Rapture happens, the world's intelligence will suddenly rise to new heights!
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 02:40:02 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 28, 2017, 02:35:23 PM
When the Rapture happens, the world's intelligence will suddenly rise to new heights!

If we all worked at it real hard, do you suppose we could get it to happen sooner?  I would mind being free of all the crazy theists and it sure would eliminate the overpopulation problem for a few centuries while we learn to terraform venus or mars.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: trdsf on September 28, 2017, 03:30:56 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 02:40:02 PM
If we all worked at it real hard, do you suppose we could get it to happen sooner?  I would mind being free of all the crazy theists and it sure would eliminate the overpopulation problem for a few centuries while we learn to terraform venus or mars.
Why 'or'?  Terraform them both!  Although we might want to accelerate Venus' rotation on its axis.  Right now its day is longer than its year.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 03:37:26 PM
Quote from: trdsf on September 28, 2017, 03:30:56 PM
Why 'or'?  Terraform them both!  Although we might want to accelerate Venus' rotation on its axis.  Right now its day is longer than its year.

Mars gravity is not really good for us and Mars can't really hold an atmosphere.  Venus is the right gravity and might be easier in some ways.  But doing both is fine by me if we can afford it.

I will assume terraforming Venus would include adjusting the rotation.  If we can do one we can do both.  LOL!
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Unbeliever on September 28, 2017, 03:50:01 PM
If some of Venus' atmosphere could be transported to Mars, it might be possible to terraform both at once. Of course, it would take a lot more than that, but it would be a start. Maybe we could haul stuff from the Oort cloud, too, but it would be very time consuming - like centuries.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 03:56:04 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 28, 2017, 03:50:01 PM
If some of Venus' atmosphere could be transported to Mars, it might be possible to terraform both at once. Of course, it would take a lot more than that, but it would be a start. Maybe we could haul stuff from the Oort cloud, too, but it would be very time consuming - like centuries.

I admire creative thinking.  But I have to suspect that transporting atmosphere between planets has got to be hard...
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Unbeliever on September 28, 2017, 04:02:55 PM
Nah, it's just a simple matter of engineering. I suppose Venus' atmosphere might have to be frozen first, perhaps by blocking all the sunlight from reaching it. Then the frozen gasses could be cut into big cubes and flung into orbit, where they can then be transported to Mars orbit. 
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 04:05:11 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 28, 2017, 04:02:55 PM
Nah, it's just a simple matter of engineering. I suppose Venus' atmosphere might have to be frozen first, perhaps by blocking all the sunlight from reaching it. Then the frozen gasses could be cut into big cubes and flung into orbit, where they can then be transported to Mars orbit.

COOL!  Literally and figuratively...


See?  Now *I'M* just thinking of engineering some bacteria and molds and yeasts  to survive on the surface and hoping something good happens.  Frozen atmosphere?  Amazing.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Unbeliever on September 28, 2017, 04:08:07 PM
We might be able to fling big blocks of Venus' frozen atmosphere to Mars with this technique:


'Space Tethers' Can Be Used to Fling Spacecraft Into Interplanetary Space (https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mgbwxn/space-tethers-can-be-used-to-fling-spacecraft-into-interplanetary-space)
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 04:12:34 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 28, 2017, 04:08:07 PM
We might be able to fling big blocks of Venus' frozen atmosphere to Mars with this technique:


'Space Tethers' Can Be Used to Fling Spacecraft Into Interplanetary Space (https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mgbwxn/space-tethers-can-be-used-to-fling-spacecraft-into-interplanetary-space)

OK, you get into the mechanics, and I understand that better.  Rotate 2 objects, release one at the right time, LAUNCH! 
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Unbeliever on September 28, 2017, 04:16:18 PM
Yeah, it's all in the timing!
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 04:39:51 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 28, 2017, 04:16:18 PM
Yeah, it's all in the timing!

But why use 2?  Wouldn't a rotating station work just as well and stay in place if all the variables were measured??
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Unbeliever on September 28, 2017, 04:44:55 PM
Beat's me - I'm no engineer.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 04:50:29 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 28, 2017, 04:44:55 PM
Beat's me - I'm no engineer.

My sense of motion suggests it would.  But I sure can't prove it.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: sdelsolray on September 28, 2017, 05:00:19 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 28, 2017, 04:02:55 PM
Nah, it's just a simple matter of engineering. I suppose Venus' atmosphere might have to be frozen first, perhaps by blocking all the sunlight from reaching it. Then the frozen gasses could be cut into big cubes and flung into orbit, where they can then be transported to Mars orbit. 

You are missing an important requirement.  Even assuming your transport a portion of Venus' atmosphere to Mars and deploy it, how are you going to make Mars generate a magnetic field sufficient to stop the solar wind from simply stripping that atmosphere from Mars' surface and pushing it into space?
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Unbeliever on September 28, 2017, 05:04:52 PM
Good question! I suppose the atmosphere would have to be replenished periodically. It's gravity would be too little, as well.

Out of time - gotta go.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: trdsf on September 28, 2017, 05:17:52 PM
Quote from: sdelsolray on September 28, 2017, 05:00:19 PM
You are missing an important requirement.  Even assuming your transport a portion of Venus' atmosphere to Mars and deploy it, how are you going to make Mars generate a magnetic field sufficient to stop the solar wind from simply stripping that atmosphere from Mars' surface and pushing it into space?
Well, obviously, we'll have to drill down and install a molten core... good thing there are a lot of iron-nickel asteroids.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 05:33:20 PM
Quote from: sdelsolray on September 28, 2017, 05:00:19 PM
You are missing an important requirement.  Even assuming your transport a portion of Venus' atmosphere to Mars and deploy it, how are you going to make Mars generate a magnetic field sufficient to stop the solar wind from simply stripping that atmosphere from Mars' surface and pushing it into space?
That's what I meant earlier about Mars not keeping an atmosphere.  I suppose we would have to arrange for a lot of the asteroid belt to land on it and up the mass.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 06:55:57 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 02:40:02 PM
If we all worked at it real hard, do you suppose we could get it to happen sooner?  I would mind being free of all the crazy theists and it sure would eliminate the overpopulation problem for a few centuries while we learn to terraform venus or mars.

Terraforming nuts.  Megalomaniac much?  Is that you, Elon Musk?
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 06:56:54 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 03:37:26 PM
Mars gravity is not really good for us and Mars can't really hold an atmosphere.  Venus is the right gravity and might be easier in some ways.  But doing both is fine by me if we can afford it.

I will assume terraforming Venus would include adjusting the rotation.  If we can do one we can do both.  LOL!

Obama's trillion dollar platinum coin ... mint a bunch of those, and you can afford anything you want ;-)
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 06:58:40 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 05:33:20 PM
That's what I meant earlier about Mars not keeping an atmosphere.  I suppose we would have to arrange for a lot of the asteroid belt to land on it and up the mass.

How about bringing asteroids to Earth, and do double duty as WMD?
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Cavebear on October 01, 2017, 09:21:37 AM
Quote from: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 06:58:40 PM
How about bringing asteroids to Earth, and do double duty as WMD?

That is always a possibility.  So are mere huge pipes manufactured elsewhere.  One sci-fi book called them "Rods Of God".  While I can't calculate the effect myself, it was claimed to be about a kiloton explosion...

Depends of the pipe...
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Unbeliever on October 01, 2017, 11:06:30 AM
Quote from: trdsf on September 28, 2017, 05:17:52 PM
Well, obviously, we'll have to drill down and install a molten core... good thing there are a lot of iron-nickel asteroids.
That's going to be the case no matter what method of terraforming is used, I think. The planet just isn't very suitable the way it is - that's why terraforming it is necessary if we want to inhabit it.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Unbeliever on October 01, 2017, 11:07:15 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 05:33:20 PM
That's what I meant earlier about Mars not keeping an atmosphere.  I suppose we would have to arrange for a lot of the asteroid belt to land on it and up the mass.
That might screw up its orbit, though.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Cavebear on October 01, 2017, 11:17:45 AM
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 01, 2017, 11:07:15 AM
That might screw up its orbit, though.

If we got to that ability, I'm sure we could land matter equally enough.  And here's a thought, we COULD make the rotation equal to our own and solve that day difference. 
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: sdelsolray on October 02, 2017, 09:20:58 PM
Quote from: trdsf on September 28, 2017, 05:17:52 PM
Well, obviously, we'll have to drill down and install a molten core... good thing there are a lot of iron-nickel asteroids.

Mars already has an iron-nickel core.  It doesn't need more iron and nickel.  The core would need to be heated up to a molten state so that it could rock and roll enough to generate a magnetic field.  Sufficient energy production and energy transmission for this task would likely require the entire economic output of human civilization for thousands of years...perhaps millions of years.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Baruch on October 02, 2017, 09:37:16 PM
Quote from: sdelsolray on October 02, 2017, 09:20:58 PM
Mars already has an iron-nickel core.  It doesn't need more iron and nickel.  The core would need to be heated up to a molten state so that it could rock and roll enough to generate a magnetic field.  Sufficient energy production and energy transmission for this task would likely require the entire economic output of human civilization for thousands of years...perhaps millions of years.

With fiat dollars, the Fed, the BoE and the BIS ... anything is affordable ;-)
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: trdsf on October 03, 2017, 10:30:09 AM
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 01, 2017, 11:07:15 AM
That might screw up its orbit, though.
Not necessarily.  There's no reason an Earth-mass planet couldn't orbit at that distance.

The much bigger problem will be the eccentricity of Mars' orbit, which, while not extreme like a comet's or Pluto's or any number of NEOs, is still quite large, relatively speaking.  Earth's perihelion and aphelion are only about three million miles apart; Mars' are 26 million miles apart.  Assuming enough atmosphere can be given it to allow for a meaningful greenhouse effect at its average distance, those extremes still might mean unacceptably cold winters and hot summers -- keeping in mind that the seasons are each about twice as long since the year is nearly twice as long.  This would especially be the case in the southern hemisphere, which has summer at perihelion and winter at aphelion -- respectively, the nearest and furthest points from the sun.

The eccentricity is not something that can be corrected; it's part of a natural cycle driven by perturbations from the other planets.

Ultimately, it may mean that only the northern hemisphere is a realistic target for both terraforming and colonization in the longest term.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Unbeliever on October 03, 2017, 02:20:52 PM
We seem to be the victims of planetary chauvinism (https://republicoflagrangia.org/category/planetary-chauvinism/), but we can do without planets. It would be easier to start from scratch and build our own habitats in orbit around either sun or planets. All that terraforming is just too damned hard - and too time-consuming (likely centuries) and expensive. We could build some very nice living arrangements without all that hassle. Though that wouldn't be exactly cheap, either, it wouldn't cost what it would to make Mars or Venus into habitable places to live.


These habitats might look something like this:




(http://joshuafoust.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Stanford_torus_under_construction-e1457452942464-1024x532.jpg)


(http://fanaru.com/elysium/image/50020-elysium-elysium.jpg)



They might look a bit like the Ringworld, but likely not as big.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: trdsf on October 03, 2017, 03:41:27 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 03, 2017, 02:20:52 PM
We seem to be the victims of planetary chauvinism (https://republicoflagrangia.org/category/planetary-chauvinism/), but we can do without planets. It would be easier to start from scratch and build our own habitats in orbit around either sun or planets. All that terraforming is just too damned hard - and too time-consuming (likely centuries) and expensive. We could build some very nice living arrangements without all that hassle. Though that wouldn't be exactly cheap, either, it wouldn't cost what it would to make Mars or Venus into habitable places to live.


These habitats might look something like this:




(http://joshuafoust.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Stanford_torus_under_construction-e1457452942464-1024x532.jpg)


(http://fanaru.com/elysium/image/50020-elysium-elysium.jpg)



They might look a bit like the Ringworld, but likely not as big.

I could live on one of those.  Mars would be nice, but anything that gets me off this ridiculous backwater planet will do.  I wonder if they could theoretically be built large enough to support more than a few tens of thousands of people.  Mars terraformed could support millions; a terraformed Venus would have at least comparable land masses to the Earth depending on how much water was brought in, and could theoretically support billions.

The other possibility is hollowing out an asteroid and living inside it rather than on its surface, since  leaving a sufficiently thick shell solves the problem of protection from cosmic rays and other DNA-unfriendly radiations.  Then spin it up (or down) to whatever rotational velocity will simulate the desired gravity on the inner shell, and there you go.

Now, these would have to be effectively closed ecologies, importing nothing but solar energy (and the surface of the asteroid could be covered with solar collectors from pole to pole if desired).  Certainly stringent birth control would be required, as well as aggressive mandatory recycling of pretty much everything.  However, between hydroponics and the development of myoblast culturing, they could certainly feed themselves.  If the water runs a little low, they can capture a comet -- if we're positing a technology that could hollow out and occupy the interior of an asteroid, I should think corralling a comet would be pretty straightforward.  And of course in the center of the sphere, they can do microgravity manufacturing.

I didn't intend to suggest that terraforming was the only option; it was just the one that came up.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Unbeliever on October 03, 2017, 06:29:32 PM
I just think planets are too difficult to make into homes for us and our flora and fauna. I've heard the asteroid idea before, and it sounds pretty good. I recall some sci-fi story where they used Ceres (I think it was) to do just as you've outlined. Many of the problems we can see in that solution might be solved with future technology. I'd love to be able to stay around long enough to watch it happen, but I'll be long gone by the time anything like that happens.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Baruch on October 03, 2017, 08:51:57 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 03, 2017, 06:29:32 PM
I just think planets are too difficult to make into homes for us and our flora and fauna. I've heard the asteroid idea before, and it sounds pretty good. I recall some sci-fi story where they used Ceres (I think it was) to do just as you've outlined. Many of the problems we can see in that solution might be solved with future technology. I'd love to be able to stay around long enough to watch it happen, but I'll be long gone by the time anything like that happens.

Ceres is the largest, and so the most practical exploitable asteroid.

Terrorists will have lots of fun with space habitats.  I can only see such as being like your Antarctic stations ... military and science people only.
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Blackleaf on October 03, 2017, 11:16:30 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 03, 2017, 02:20:52 PM
We seem to be the victims of planetary chauvinism (https://republicoflagrangia.org/category/planetary-chauvinism/), but we can do without planets. It would be easier to start from scratch and build our own habitats in orbit around either sun or planets. All that terraforming is just too damned hard - and too time-consuming (likely centuries) and expensive. We could build some very nice living arrangements without all that hassle. Though that wouldn't be exactly cheap, either, it wouldn't cost what it would to make Mars or Venus into habitable places to live.


These habitats might look something like this:




(http://joshuafoust.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Stanford_torus_under_construction-e1457452942464-1024x532.jpg)


(http://fanaru.com/elysium/image/50020-elysium-elysium.jpg)



They might look a bit like the Ringworld, but likely not as big.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jXTBAGv9ZQ
Title: Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
Post by: Cavebear on October 04, 2017, 01:50:27 AM
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 03, 2017, 02:20:52 PM
We seem to be the victims of planetary chauvinism (https://republicoflagrangia.org/category/planetary-chauvinism/), but we can do without planets. It would be easier to start from scratch and build our own habitats in orbit around either sun or planets. All that terraforming is just too damned hard - and too time-consuming (likely centuries) and expensive. We could build some very nice living arrangements without all that hassle. Though that wouldn't be exactly cheap, either, it wouldn't cost what it would to make Mars or Venus into habitable places to live.


These habitats might look something like this:




(http://joshuafoust.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Stanford_torus_under_construction-e1457452942464-1024x532.jpg)


(http://fanaru.com/elysium/image/50020-elysium-elysium.jpg)



They might look a bit like the Ringworld, but likely not as big.

If we took apart Mars and spread it out evenly 50 miles thick, we could get a massive amount of sunlight there.  With solar panels and high edges, rotation could keep the atmosphere in the ring.