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I'm working on a project based on Absurdism and need a physical tangible or empathetic element to help with communication and representation. The concept is too abstract at the moment and this thread may be abstract as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurdism

If it helps to suggest physical elements of other existential-esque philosophies that would be great too.

To give some examples, other projects include a coat of arms, playing the guitar and singing as acts for various projects. Mine, in particular, focuses on philosophy.

I'm thinking about trying to do something with colors, as the Absurd always has a red tinge in my mind but I'm not sure yet. I'm also incorporating different languages at the moment such as French, but it needs something more concrete.

Any suggestions?

This is absurd.  ;)

Perhaps some translated absurd pieces by Jeroom may help inspire you:

i read the Wiki article, but I am too much of a monotheistic existentialist ;-)  The article claims that both atheist and theistic existentialism don't qualify as absurd.  Perhaps only fans of Camus?

Quote from: Baruch on August 27, 2017, 08:11:08 PM
i read the Wiki article, but I am too much of a monotheistic existentialist ;-)  The article claims that both atheist and theistic existentialism don't qualify as absurd.  Perhaps only fans of Camus?

They might agree it's absurd. But not absurdism :p

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on August 28, 2017, 04:24:39 AM
They might agree it's absurd. But not absurdism :p

But, but ... I expected a vigorous defense of atheist existentialism.  So many here ... their lives are out of Sartre(s) ;-)

Quote from: Baruch on August 28, 2017, 06:32:17 AM
But, but ... I expected a vigorous defense of atheist existentialism.  So many here ... their lives are out of Sartre(s) ;-)

My freshman year in Collage my brother got me;  Existentialism: From Dostoevsky to Sarte.  not a playboy, not a hustler, but that. Never did finish it. Although I enjoyed Sartes writings and his stories. Years ago when asked I would often respond that I am an Skeptical Existentialist Atheist, not always in that order. I found it very useful is that most people thought I would go off into some philosophical rambling speech and quickly changed the topic or better retreated for the nearest babble. Fortunately no one familiar with philosophy ever challenged me on it because I never knew exactly how I would explain it. Ahhhh...good times.

I'm just curious about your sig, aitm - what's a "Panotheust"?

Quote from: Unbeliever on August 28, 2017, 10:12:14 AM
I'm just curious about your sig, aitm - what's a "Panotheust"?

It's a word I made up, a "religion" I made up, at least I could never find it anywhere else. My "religion" is Panotheism. The idea that if gods exist that humans have more morality and more courage than any god. Since "gods" cannot die or experience pain, or suffering, they have no moral authority to judge a human who may cower in terror or fight for honor or would willingly die for a stranger. No god can do that, making us in fact, superior to gods.

Physical manifestation of the absurd?  Here ya go-----Trump.  Can't much more absurd than that!!

Quote from: Absurd Atheist on August 27, 2017, 01:37:23 PM
I'm thinking about trying to do something with colors, as the Absurd always has a red tinge in my mind but I'm not sure yet. I'm also incorporating different languages at the moment such as French, but it needs something more concrete.

I have never heard of synesthesia with broad concepts before.  Musical tones, words and/or numbers, yes, but not hard-to-define concepts.  As a matter of curiosity, do you perceive other concepts with particular colors?  And maybe this might be another angle to approach this from.

I'm a partial synesthete -- I perceive letters and numbers as shades and/or combinations of gray, rather than colors, and more strongly with numbers than letters.  Like 1 is a white number, but it's a weak sort of white that can be overpowered if it's in the proximity of a dark number like 7, 8 or 9.  On the other hand, 3 is a pale number with a weak dark aura, while 4 is a dark number with a pale light aura.  When I learned hexadecimal, I saw attributes associated with the hex digits A through F that were not the same as the attributes they have as plain letters.  Hexadecimal 'A' is much darker than the alphabetical character 'A', for example.

I always have seen them this way -- these categories have never changed for as far back as I can remember, nearly 50 years.  For the longest time I assumed everyone saw letters and numbers that way.

Quote from: aitm on August 28, 2017, 10:37:58 AM
It's a word I made up, a "religion" I made up, at least I could never find it anywhere else. My "religion" is Panotheism. The idea that if gods exist that humans have more morality and more courage than any god. Since "gods" cannot die or experience pain, or suffering, they have no moral authority to judge a human who may cower in terror or fight for honor or would willingly die for a stranger. No god can do that, making us in fact, superior to gods.

And you laugh, when I claim to be a Greco-Roman demigod?

I believe I have read, that there are over 50 kinds of synesthesia.

Quote from: Baruch on August 28, 2017, 06:32:17 AM
But, but ... I expected a vigorous defense of atheist existentialism.  So many here ... their lives are out of Sartre(s) ;-)

While I am not in The slightest a philosphy buff, my own ideas seem to lie closer to absurdism than existentialism, honestly.

Reality is a funny old place, and we weren't designed to understand it. And when you are faced with the raw, vast strength of the waves of which we came, blind and ignorant and signifying nothing as they are born from the neverending ocean of sanguine emptyness, The only honest response I can muster is laughter and a stubborn refusal to let them consume me.

Here I stand on the shores of insanity.
Hear me roar, mad with laughter.

Quote from: Baruch on August 28, 2017, 12:48:22 PM
And you laugh, when I claim to be a Greco-Roman demigod?

I believe I have read, that there are over 50 kinds of synesthesia.

er....one can never have enough of shytm...synthe...whatever that is.

Quote from: Unbeliever on August 28, 2017, 02:47:54 PM

Ruth--Baby Ruth!!!

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on August 28, 2017, 01:01:37 PM
While I am not in The slightest a philosphy buff, my own ideas seem to lie closer to absurdism than existentialism, honestly.

Reality is a funny old place, and we weren't designed to understand it. And when you are faced with the raw, vast strength of the waves of which we came, blind and ignorant and signifying nothing as they are born from the neverending ocean of sanguine emptyness, The only honest response I can muster is laughter and a stubborn refusal to let them consume me.

Here I stand on the shores of insanity.
Hear me roar, mad with laughter.

Very Zen.  I Grok you.

Quote from: aitm on August 28, 2017, 07:56:01 AM
My freshman year in Collage my brother got me;  Existentialism: From Dostoevsky to Sarte.  not a playboy, not a hustler, but that. Never did finish it. Although I enjoyed Sartes writings and his stories. Years ago when asked I would often respond that I am an Skeptical Existentialist Atheist, not always in that order. I found it very useful is that most people thought I would go off into some philosophical rambling speech and quickly changed the topic or better retreated for the nearest babble. Fortunately no one familiar with philosophy ever challenged me on it because I never knew exactly how I would explain it. Ahhhh...good times.

Try Hume...

Quote from: Cavebear on August 31, 2017, 03:27:46 AM
Try Hume...

Why don't you Hume-or us with a summary?

Quote from: Baruch on August 31, 2017, 06:54:34 AM
Why don't you Hume-or us with a summary?

Sorry, I Kant...

Quote from: Cavebear on August 31, 2017, 09:42:39 AM
Sorry, I Kant...

Taking a line from Hume ... I am skeptical of your response.  How do you know you Kant?  I doubt you can justify this so-called self knowledge.

Quote from: Baruch on August 31, 2017, 10:49:58 AM
Taking a line from Hume ... I am skeptical of your response.  How do you know you Kant?  I doubt you can justify this so-called self knowledge.

I Kant, therefore I yam. what I yam..  So spake Popeye the Elder...

Quote from: Cavebear on August 31, 2017, 11:18:07 AM
I Kant, therefore I yam. what I yam..  So spake Popeye the Elder...

I will summarize Hume for you ... "be as close to a nihilist as you can, without actually being one".  See, wasn't hard at all.  Basically he said that almost all epistemology (how do we know anything at all) failed his "smell" test.  This was convenient for debunking the claims of clergy and royalty .. who were selling cow patties.

Quote from: Baruch on August 31, 2017, 12:57:11 PM
I will summarize Hume for you ... "be as close to a nihilist as you can, without actually being one".  See, wasn't hard at all.  Basically he said that almost all epistemology (how do we know anything at all) failed his "smell" test.  This was convenient for debunking the claims of clergy and royalty .. who were selling cow patties.

Kant argued that the human mind creates the structure of human experience, that reason is the source of morality, that aesthetics arises from a faculty of disinterested judgment...

Quote from: Cavebear on August 31, 2017, 02:20:11 PM
Kant argued that the human mind creates the structure of human experience, that reason is the source of morality, that aesthetics arises from a faculty of disinterested judgment...

But I thought you Kant say that ...

For the uneducated without enough time to even read the "Prolegomena to Any Future Metaphysics" let alone "Critique of Pure Reason".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsgAsw4XGvU

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on August 28, 2017, 01:01:37 PM
While I am not in The slightest a philosphy buff, my own ideas seem to lie closer to absurdism than existentialism, honestly.

Reality is a funny old place, and we weren't designed to understand it. And when you are faced with the raw, vast strength of the waves of which we came, blind and ignorant and signifying nothing as they are born from the neverending ocean of sanguine emptyness, The only honest response I can muster is laughter and a stubborn refusal to let them consume me.

Here I stand on the shores of insanity.
Hear me roar, mad with laughter.

Hear me roar?

Quote from: trdsf on August 28, 2017, 12:43:49 PM
I have never heard of synesthesia with broad concepts before.  Musical tones, words and/or numbers, yes, but not hard-to-define concepts.  As a matter of curiosity, do you perceive other concepts with particular colors?  And maybe this might be another angle to approach this from.

I'm a partial synesthete -- I perceive letters and numbers as shades and/or combinations of gray, rather than colors, and more strongly with numbers than letters.  Like 1 is a white number, but it's a weak sort of white that can be overpowered if it's in the proximity of a dark number like 7, 8 or 9.  On the other hand, 3 is a pale number with a weak dark aura, while 4 is a dark number with a pale light aura.  When I learned hexadecimal, I saw attributes associated with the hex digits A through F that were not the same as the attributes they have as plain letters.  Hexadecimal 'A' is much darker than the alphabetical character 'A', for example.

I always have seen them this way -- these categories have never changed for as far back as I can remember, nearly 50 years.  For the longest time I assumed everyone saw letters and numbers that way.

I see most concepts in terms of colors. For example, I see the French language as an emerald green. Essays I write or movies I watch may take some sort of thematic color. I've heard of synesthesia but I've never put much thought into how it might apply to me. Ironically, I've changed my project to one on the human experience with color and symbolism.

Quote from: Baruch on August 31, 2017, 08:57:36 PM
But I thought you Kant say that ...

For the uneducated without enough time to even read the "Prolegomena to Any Future Metaphysics" let alone "Critique of Pure Reason".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsgAsw4XGvU

I've read Kant's "Prolegomena". It was meant, in his own words, to be a popularized version of his works, particularly "Critique of Pure Reason".

Even the 'popularized' version "Prolegomena"was obtuse, apparently not as rigorous as his main works, and boring. I did get some parts of the book, but I think most of it were obtuse ramblings. Like his explanation of the Categorical Imperative. I don't remember how long he droned on about proving the concept, but he could've shortened even in his "Prolegomena" book.

Quote from: Absurd Atheist on September 05, 2017, 12:28:06 AM
I see most concepts in terms of colors. For example, I see the French language as an emerald green. Essays I write or movies I watch may take some sort of thematic color. I've heard of synesthesia but I've never put much thought into how it might apply to me. Ironically, I've changed my project to one on the human experience with color and symbolism.

As a matter of curiosity, what color is this reply?  And would the phrasing make a difference?

Quote from: trdsf on September 05, 2017, 10:34:46 AM
As a matter of curiosity, what color is this reply?  And would the phrasing make a difference?

I wouldn't say this reply has color, but if it helps the idea/term "synaesthesia" is a translucent gray.

Quote from: Absurd Atheist on September 05, 2017, 11:01:25 PM
I wouldn't say this reply has color, but if it helps the idea/term "synaesthesia" is a translucent gray.

I think that helps -- abstractions are colored/textured, but concrete things aren't (or have an inherent color/texture that's not overridden by your perceptions), yes?

This is straying fascinatingly from your original post.  I'm going to start a fresh thread for this topic.

Quote from: trdsf on September 06, 2017, 09:04:21 AM
I think that helps -- abstractions are colored/textured, but concrete things aren't (or have an inherent color/texture that's not overridden by your perceptions), yes?

This is straying fascinatingly from your original post.  I'm going to start a fresh thread for this topic.

Yes, that sounds about right.