http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/22/espn-pulls-announcer-robert-lee-university-virgini/
QuoteApparently, even being Asian doesn’t mean people won’t take you for being a white nationalist.
ESPN confirmed Tuesday night that it had decided to pull an announcer from calling a University of Virginia football game because his name is Robert Lee. This Robert Lee is Asian.
“We collectively made the decision with Robert to switch games as the tragic events in Charlottesville were unfolding, simply because of the coincidence of his name. In that moment it felt right to all parties,†reads the ESPN statement posted at the popular Fox Sports college-football blog Outkick the Coverage.
“Did I mention that Robert Lee is Asian?†wrote disbelieving blogger Clay Travis, who first broke the story, citing “multiple Outkick fans inside ESPN.â€
Mr. Lee had been scheduled to call the Cavaliers Sept. 2 game in Charlottesville against William and Mary.
“It’s a shame that this is even a topic of conversation and we regret that who calls play by play for a football game has become an issue,†ESPN said in its statement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC3N_fl8tpA
Even minorities aren't safe from the idiocy of Antifa.
Being pulled from one game, during a time of turmoil =/= being fired.
Still stupid af, but saying he was fired is completely inaccurate. I am prone to agree with ESPN's statement that it was a lose/lose situation though. Having someone commentate a Virginia game, with the name Robert Lee, during the middle of such racial tension, is a losing prospect as well. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
(http://gatesofvienna.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/robertlee-nash.jpg)
Robert Lee is a stupid name anyway.
That's seems like an over-reaction. But I'm hardly in the thick of this issue.
GOT DAMN furriers stealing honorable amurican names....What will they do next?
They'll probably steal our women next. Or our cats - they can't tell one pussy from another.
:tease:
I think it was a stupid idea to take it off and just encourages the thought police atomoshpere
Quote from: Sorginak on August 23, 2017, 02:21:45 PM
Robert Lee is a stupid name anyway.
Lee, usually spelt Li ... is a common name in E Asia. Your round eyes cut it out, or NORK put nuke up your ass ;-)
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on August 23, 2017, 05:35:16 PM
I think it was a stupid idea to take it off and just encourages the thought police atomoshpere
Just call him Bob Li ... the SJWs won't know there is any similarity.
Whats laughable is when ESPN was inquired about the change they stated they were sorry circumstances caused this to happen. The circumstances they were referring to were one's they caused. Its also a commentary on how stupid they must think their audience that they would think this Asian man is a decedent of Robert E. Lee.
I hate that politics has been injected into sports.
Quote from: Drew_2017 on August 23, 2017, 07:07:24 PM
Whats laughable is when ESPN was inquired about the change they stated they were sorry circumstances caused this to happen. The circumstances they were referring to were one's they caused. Its also a commentary on how stupid they must think their audience that they would think this Asian man is a decedent of Robert E. Lee.
I hate that politics has been injected into sports.
The gladiators, who worked for Livia, empress of Rome and married to Augustus Caesar, also hated politics in sports ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xldcuyl4xRY
This has gotten way WAY WAY more press than it should have.
Quote from: Drew_2017 on August 23, 2017, 07:07:24 PM
Whats laughable is when ESPN was inquired about the change they stated they were sorry circumstances caused this to happen. The circumstances they were referring to were one's they caused. Its also a commentary on how stupid they must think their audience that they would think this Asian man is a decedent of Robert E. Lee.
I hate that politics has been injected into sports.
I hate this!!! I must insist that Drew is correct in this--and I never, never agree with anything Drew writes. ESPN was beyond stupid.
QuoteEven minorities aren't safe from the idiocy of Antifa.
Antifa has literally nothing to do with this. Do we literally need a new boogieman every month, that by September the right will have completely forgotten about and now think that like... Scandinavian Hookers or Ethiopian farmers will be the imminent threat to all the world as we know it?
QuoteThe circumstances they were referring to were one's they caused.
ESPN was the cause of the white supremacy marches in the South, and unfortunately other cities in the U.S. and even Vancouver (friend of mine sent me pictures of neo-Nazis marching in the street up there :\).
You learn something new every day.
Don't worry Mike, ESPN does not think this guy is related to Robert E. Lee and they didn't cause Nazis to march, so you don't have to agree with him on anything other than it's a really stupid move on ESPN's part. I think something that vague falls within the threshold of acceptability.
Quote from: Mermaid on August 23, 2017, 07:26:53 PM
This has gotten way WAY WAY more press than it should have.
This. Stupid move on ESPN's part, but if people would stop saying he was fired it wouldn't be nearly as viral as it has gone. One little lie can make a story blow up to ridiculous proportions as people exaggerate how bad it really is.
O.P. one must always be politically correct ;-)
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 23, 2017, 03:43:06 PM
They'll probably steal our women next. Or our cats - they can't tell one pussy from another.
They can take as many cats as they want to, but they should leave the other kind; unless they're going to give us some of theirs
Quote from: Shiranu on August 23, 2017, 07:32:27 PM
Antifa has literally nothing to do with this.
Actually its got plenty to do with it. As the report says, they made this decision because of what happened in maryland, caused by extremist left and right groups attacking one another, Antifa being the left group thats been in the news and been showing up all over in the last month.
And since the violence they caused against confederate groups is common knowledge now, the ESPN figured rather then having yet another extremist vs extremist bloodshed in their game, brought on by ignorant morons with an anti confederate push, they'd play it safe in their eyes and remove a possible problem, stupid as it was.
And I don't really need a boogeyman when i just find it so hilarious both sides are just as bad as each other.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 23, 2017, 07:28:05 PM
I hate this!!! I must insist that Drew is correct in this--and I never, never agree with anything Drew writes. ESPN was beyond stupid.
An example of a broken watch being correct twice a day...
QuoteAnd I don't really need a boogeyman when i just find it so hilarious both sides are just as bad as each other.
Extremes are bad. Cool. Everyone get's that.
The problem is you set the bar for "extreme" on the left at, "Believes in more than two genders/thinks women should be treated as fairly as men should be treated/believes in equality for all religions or lack thereof" and set the bar for the right somewhere past, "We should kill the Jews! Heil Hitler! White power!".
To take your horseshoe picture, you have set the bar on the left for what you consider "extreme" to somewhere before it even reaches the peak of it's curve, while the bar for the right is just a few centimeters from the tip. And you have no problem assuming everyone agrees with that model, but when "extremists" on the left are people who fight for gender rights, LGBT+ rights, human rights and the people on the right are people who fight for the extermination of all "Mongrel races" and for the hateful ideals of Hitler, then even you have to admit the standards are not even remotely unbiased and aren't even remotely morally upholdable.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 23, 2017, 09:01:40 PM
Extremes are bad. Cool. Everyone get's that.
yes they are, glad we agree.
QuoteThe problem is you set the bar for "extreme" on the left at, "Believes in more than two genders/thinks women should be treated as fairly as men should be treated/believes in equality for all religions or lack thereof" and set the bar for the right somewhere past, "We should kill the Jews! Heil Hitler! White power!".
And now your back to exaggerations You seemed to have formed this opinion that because I'm calling out antifa as being as bad as the kkk and right wing extremes in the charlottesville instance, that I must now think all left wing thinking is bad, that I hate the left and am now a right winger. It goes without saying how ridiculous it is you think that because I point out the bad on one side, that it can only mean I swing one way.
QuoteTo take your horseshoe picture, you have set the bar on the left for what you consider "extreme" to somewhere before it even reaches the peak of it's curve, while the bar for the right is just a few centimeters from the tip. And you have no problem assuming everyone agrees with that model, but when "extremists" on the left are people who fight for gender rights, LGBT+ rights, human rights and the people on the right are people who fight for the extermination of all "Mongrel races" and for the hateful ideals of Hitler, then even you have to admit the standards are not even remotely unbiased and aren't even remotely morally upholdable.
You know for someone who claims to be atheist you really do lack self reflection and perspective on things. You want what you follow to be right side of history so much you can't see the wood for the trees.
its fine choosing to follow a political path in life, which creates opposition to the other path people follow, but when you reach a point all you can see is a red haze against the opposing side that their all bad, you've ended up becoming as bad as any religious follower. That suggests you've fallen so far down one side of the horseshoe your unable to conceive of any good on the other side of the political spectrum.
All conservatives are nazis and trump supporters. I guess we know what your boogeyman is.
Quote from: Munch on August 23, 2017, 08:33:49 PM
Actually its got plenty to do with it. As the report says, they made this decision because of what happened in maryland, caused by extremist left and right groups attacking one another, Antifa being the left group thats been in the news and been showing up all over in the last month.
And since the violence they caused against confederate groups is common knowledge now, the ESPN figured rather then having yet another extremist vs extremist bloodshed in their game, brought on by ignorant morons with an anti confederate push, they'd play it safe in their eyes and remove a possible problem, stupid as it was.
And I don't really need a boogeyman when i just find it so hilarious both sides are just as bad as each other.
Both extreme sides are played by one puppet master ... same as 1960s. There is no real opposition (take a pick) allowed in the US, or GB. Psyops.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 23, 2017, 09:01:40 PM
Extremes are bad. Cool. Everyone get's that.
The problem is you set the bar for "extreme" on the left at, "Believes in more than two genders/thinks women should be treated as fairly as men should be treated/believes in equality for all religions or lack thereof" and set the bar for the right somewhere past, "We should kill the Jews! Heil Hitler! White power!".
To take your horseshoe picture, you have set the bar on the left for what you consider "extreme" to somewhere before it even reaches the peak of it's curve, while the bar for the right is just a few centimeters from the tip. And you have no problem assuming everyone agrees with that model, but when "extremists" on the left are people who fight for gender rights, LGBT+ rights, human rights and the people on the right are people who fight for the extermination of all "Mongrel races" and for the hateful ideals of Hitler, then even you have to admit the standards are not even remotely unbiased and aren't even remotely morally upholdable.
It is Soros or DNC that pays your paycheck ;-) The Left is so affective, not. Same thing with the KKK, that is why all Blacks are dead now, right?
Quote from: Munch on August 24, 2017, 04:45:23 AM
yes they are, glad we agree.
And now your back to exaggerations You seemed to have formed this opinion that because I'm calling out antifa as being as bad as the kkk and right wing extremes in the charlottesville instance, that I must now think all left wing thinking is bad, that I hate the left and am now a right winger. It goes without saying how ridiculous it is you think that because I point out the bad on one side, that it can only mean I swing one way.
You know for someone who claims to be atheist you really do lack self reflection and perspective on things. You want what you follow to be right side of history so much you can't see the wood for the trees.
its fine choosing to follow a political path in life, which creates opposition to the other path people follow, but when you reach a point all you can see is a red haze against the opposing side that their all bad, you've ended up becoming as bad as any religious follower. That suggests you've fallen so far down one side of the horseshoe your unable to conceive of any good on the other side of the political spectrum.
All conservatives are nazis and trump supporters. I guess we know what your boogeyman is.
Not all fanatics are religious about it ;-)
Quote from: Shiranu on August 23, 2017, 09:01:40 PM
Extremes are bad. Cool. Everyone get's that.
The problem is you set the bar for "extreme" on the left at, "Believes in more than two genders/thinks women should be treated as fairly as men should be treated/believes in equality for all religions or lack thereof" and set the bar for the right somewhere past, "We should kill the Jews! Heil Hitler! White power!".
To take your horseshoe picture, you have set the bar on the left for what you consider "extreme" to somewhere before it even reaches the peak of it's curve, while the bar for the right is just a few centimeters from the tip. And you have no problem assuming everyone agrees with that model, but when "extremists" on the left are people who fight for gender rights, LGBT+ rights, human rights and the people on the right are people who fight for the extermination of all "Mongrel races" and for the hateful ideals of Hitler, then even you have to admit the standards are not even remotely unbiased and aren't even remotely morally upholdable.
I'm not sure who you are directing this at, but it does describe a pretty common reaction, which strikes me as more representative of the right, where the right is right, and the left is the extreme. There is often a token acknowledgement of both extremes, but the extremes never balance because the extreme right is never as extreme as the extreme left. It comes out sounding like anyone to the left of center is part of the lunatic fringe, whereas the right all the way to end of the graph is nothing more than a hodge-podge of sensible ideas.
Unfortunately, as the country moves farther and farther to the right politically, the progressives are left farther and farther out there. This however, is no reason to accept horseshit like the bigotry, greed, and hate coveted by the right end of the spectrum. There are still moral imperatives worth advocating, even if the country ends up going down the shitter.
More than one dimension to political spectrum. The status quo sits dead center. The extremes make war on the status quo, and on the center. Being center, is Normie, being Left is Cuckistani (they share wives, being good socialists), being right is Kekistani (they like cucking the Cuckistani). Social order lies with the Normies, not with the wings. And .. violence is the monopoly of the State. That is why both extremes are constantly trying to seize power, so they can use that power against the other wing, and against the status quo. Most people make a living in the status quo, but some make a killing, literally, by being contrarian. Those who oppose the State, both Left, Right and Center ... are anarchists. Nobody invites them over, they will trash your place!
I stand by what I said, it was stupid and I don't believe it was remotely a good idea even considering the environment. If we're letting names set us off then we have further fallen as a society than I thought
Quote from: Shiranu on August 23, 2017, 07:35:07 PM
This. Stupid move on ESPN's part, but if people would stop saying he was fired it wouldn't be nearly as viral as it has gone. One little lie can make a story blow up to ridiculous proportions as people exaggerate how bad it really is.
Suppress news if Ds don't like it. Promote news if Ds like it. Isn't that ... fake news?
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on August 24, 2017, 11:48:35 AM
I stand by what I said, it was stupid and I don't believe it was remotely a good idea even considering the environment. If we're letting names set us off then we have further fallen as a society than I thought
Meh, most societies are set off by names. In fact, all societies I can think of get set off by names.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 24, 2017, 01:09:19 PM
Meh, most societies are set off by names. In fact, all societies I can think of get set off by names.
That is how tribal battles are set off, in New Guinea. And we moderns are just like them.
In think it was a reluctant decision on the part of ESPN to not give crazies yet one more reason to scream...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 26, 2017, 01:31:35 AM
In think it was a reluctant decision on the part of ESPN to not give crazies yet one more reason to scream...
Sports fans are crazies ... shut it all down!
Quote from: Baruch on August 26, 2017, 08:40:35 AM
Sports fans are crazies ... shut it all down!
Imagine trying to run for a political office if your name is Benedict Arnold! (Note I didn't suggest "Adolf Hitler")
Quote from: Cavebear on August 26, 2017, 01:18:35 PM
Imagine trying to run for a political office if your name is Benedict Arnold! (Note I didn't suggest "Adolf Hitler")
Adolf Hitler had two nephews. One served in the US navy as a pharmacist mate during WW II. When he enlisted, he apologized to the recruiter that his name was Hitler ... the recruiter said, no problem, my name is Hess ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on August 26, 2017, 02:46:37 PM
Adolf Hitler had two nephews. One served in the US navy as a pharmacist mate during WW II. When he enlisted, he apologized to the recruiter that his name was Hitler ... the recruiter said, no problem, my name is Hess ;-)
I'll accept that as true without checking. Possibly too weird to be fake. And it cracks me up! After all, I just looked up my name and I should be both famous AND rich...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 26, 2017, 04:05:09 PM
I'll accept that as true without checking. Possibly too weird to be fake. And it cracks me up! After all, I just looked up my name and I should be both famous AND rich...
You are Richie Rich? But I thought you were an image of a cave bear, not a cartoon character.
The other nephew was less lucky, he was raised in Germany, and died under bad circumstances on the E Front.
Quote from: Baruch on August 26, 2017, 06:38:46 PM
You are Richie Rich? But I thought you were an image of a cave bear, not a cartoon character.
The other nephew was less lucky, he was raised in Germany, and died under bad circumstances on the E Front.
I come from a long line of British serfs who lived and died according to Norman Duke's whims and thug knights, if that helps any.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 26, 2017, 06:42:16 PM
I come from a long line of British serfs who lived and died according to Norman Duke's whims and thug knights, if that helps any.
I am descended from those Normans, get back to work. Serfs up, cowabunga!
Quote from: Baruch on August 26, 2017, 06:44:04 PM
I am descended from those Normans, get back to work. Serfs up, cowabunga!
Ah you evil Norman Viking you! If I was an Islamist, I would go find your anscestors and turn them into cucumber compost!
LOL!
I can trace my direct linage back to revolutionary Maryland, to a landed Colonel in the army. Too bad the guy was a Tory--lost all his land, but kept his life.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 26, 2017, 07:01:06 PM
I can trace my direct linage back to revolutionary Maryland, to a landed Colonel in the army. Too bad the guy was a Tory--lost all his land, but kept his life.
Acres for arms and legs. Good choice.n ;)
Pfft, peasants. I can trace my lineage all the way back...
Oh, right, Scottish peasants of Clan Murray, Alsatian farmers and Mediterranean (mainly Southern Italian and Greek)... somethings. If I were to make a guess, sailors... just since there is a little Spanish and Levant thrown in there as well. Then something like 10% of my blood is apparently Scandinavian, so some more poor farmers and sailors for good measure.
What I'm trying to say is a long line of either farmers, sailors and warriors... so basically the same as 99% of the rest of the world, except maybe the sailor part. Feels bad being common as fuck, man.
On the bright side... Viking and who knows, Byzantine maybe, heritage. Feels bad ass, man.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 26, 2017, 07:28:00 PM
Pfft, peasants. I can trace my lineage all the way back...
Oh, right, Scottish peasants of Clan Murray, Alsatian farmers and Mediterranean (mainly Southern Italian and Greek)... somethings. If I were to make a guess, sailors... just since there is a little Spanish and Levant thrown in there as well. Then something like 10% of my blood is apparently Scandinavian, so some more poor farmers and sailors for good measure.
What I'm trying to say is a long line of either farmers, sailors and warriors... so basically the same as 99% of the rest of the world, except maybe the sailor part. Feels bad being common as fuck, man.
Welcome to the club. Here's yer hat...
Quote from: Shiranu on August 26, 2017, 07:28:00 PM
Pfft, peasants. I can trace my lineage all the way back...
Oh, right, Scottish peasants of Clan Murray, Alsatian farmers and Mediterranean (mainly Southern Italian and Greek)... somethings. If I were to make a guess, sailors... just since there is a little Spanish and Levant thrown in there as well. Then something like 10% of my blood is apparently Scandinavian, so some more poor farmers and sailors for good measure.
What I'm trying to say is a long line of either farmers, sailors and warriors... so basically the same as 99% of the rest of the world, except maybe the sailor part. Feels bad being common as fuck, man.
On the bright side... Viking and who knows, Byzantine maybe, heritage. Feels bad ass, man.
So Popeye and Olive Oyl are ancestors, or was that Bluto and Olive Oyl? Yes, those sailors are gadabouts ;-) My dad was a sailor, when he was too young to even vote.
well my ancestors are royalty.
(http://www.englishmonarchs.co.uk/images/plantagenet/elaaq.jpg)
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We are probably breathing an oxygen atom each breath from most of histories characters. Breathe deeply and enjoy.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 31, 2017, 01:50:06 AM
We are probably breathing an oxygen atom each breath from most of histories characters. Breathe deeply and enjoy.
Ewww .. used oxygen ;-(
Quote from: Baruch on August 31, 2017, 06:47:56 AM
Ewww .. used oxygen ;-(
Better than none... Thank the plants. They can do without us better than we can do without them.