It is all over the News, Danica Patrick made the pole position for the Daytona 500!
GO DANICA!
Who's that? Lmao
Quote from: "wolf39us"Who's that?
And what's NASCAR?
NASCAR is people driving in circles, and failing miserably at even that fairly simple task.
As boring as I find NASCAR, it does take skill and it is science, so I have to respect it.
Meh, they're taking another left turn! They're taking another left turn!
I wonder what's gonna happen next!
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Quote from: "wolf39us"Meh, they're taking another left turn! They're taking another left turn!
I wonder what's gonna happen next!
I would propose a more interesting variation for NASCAR, a straight track of 3 miles with no turns in the track itself. A lap would consist of a run to the end of the track, doing a 180, and racing back to the start. There could be 100 laps in the race. They wouldn't have to actually build new tracks for this. They could simply use runways at major airports, and race while planes were landing.
This would open NASCAR to new locations around the country, and make NASCAR available to a larger segment of the population.
Quote from: "SGOS"Quote from: "wolf39us"Meh, they're taking another left turn! They're taking another left turn!
I wonder what's gonna happen next!
I would propose a more interesting variation for NASCAR, a straight track of 3 miles with no turns in the track itself. A lap would consist of a run to the end of the track, doing a 180, and racing back to the start. There could be 100 laps in the race. They wouldn't have to actually build new tracks for this. They could simply use runways at major airports, and race while planes were landing.
This would open NASCAR to new locations around the country, and make NASCAR available to a larger segment of the population.
I have been of the idea that we need figure 8 tracks with a jump in the middle. It guarentees you get the most exciting part, the crashes.
Quote from: "Alaric I"Quote from: "SGOS"Quote from: "wolf39us"Meh, they're taking another left turn! They're taking another left turn!
I wonder what's gonna happen next!
I would propose a more interesting variation for NASCAR, a straight track of 3 miles with no turns in the track itself. A lap would consist of a run to the end of the track, doing a 180, and racing back to the start. There could be 100 laps in the race. They wouldn't have to actually build new tracks for this. They could simply use runways at major airports, and race while planes were landing.
This would open NASCAR to new locations around the country, and make NASCAR available to a larger segment of the population.
I have been of the idea that we need figure 8 tracks with a jump in the middle. It guarentees you get the most exciting part, the crashes.
Yes, this would be a wonderful idea. The jump in the middle should include a jump in all directions of travel, so it would add the interest of mid air collisions.
I like NASCAR (yes, a gay atheist who likes watching NASCAR), and it's kind of surprising that Danika will be in pole. Considering her track record though, I don't think her spot in first will last long.
Quote from: "wolf39us"Meh, they're taking another left turn! They're taking another left turn!
I wonder what's gonna happen next!
Yea that sums it up. But as much as I hate that sport, all sports take talent, even the ones I don't like. These people are driving 200 plus miles an hour bumper to bumper. Plus they have to time their fuel and tire changes.
I feel the same about golf. Boring to me to watch, but it does take skill to get that ball where you want it. I'd consider watching golf if on the putt the other players were allowed to shoot paint balls at the person putting. Not at the face or the club or the ball, just at the arms back and legs.
Quote from: "The Skeletal Atheist"I like NASCAR (yes, a gay atheist who likes watching NASCAR), and it's kind of surprising that Danika will be in pole. Considering her track record though, I don't think her spot in first will last long.
Danica has run well at Daytona in the past. She has even led some laps. She hasn't finished very well yet, but it is Daytona and shit happens.
Quote from: "PopeyesPappy"Quote from: "The Skeletal Atheist"I like NASCAR (yes, a gay atheist who likes watching NASCAR), and it's kind of surprising that Danika will be in pole. Considering her track record though, I don't think her spot in first will last long.
Danica has run well at Daytona in the past. She has even led some laps. She hasn't finished very well yet, but it is Daytona and shit happens.
I'm not that surprised. She's always done well at big, fast tracks going back to her Indy days. I'd be more surprised if she won or got pole at somewhere like Bristol or a road course. And yeah, Daytona is crazy,
a lot of luck is necessary to win, and it's quite often not the best driver or car on the day that wins. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if her first NASCAR win comes at either Daytona, Talladega, or the Brickyard.
Quote from: "BarkAtTheMoon"Quote from: "PopeyesPappy"Quote from: "The Skeletal Atheist"I like NASCAR (yes, a gay atheist who likes watching NASCAR), and it's kind of surprising that Danika will be in pole. Considering her track record though, I don't think her spot in first will last long.
Danica has run well at Daytona in the past. She has even led some laps. She hasn't finished very well yet, but it is Daytona and shit happens.
I'm not that surprised. She's always done well at big, fast tracks going back to her Indy days. I'd be more surprised if she won or got pole at somewhere like Bristol or a road course. And yeah, Daytona is crazy, a lot of luck is necessary to win, and it's quite often not the best driver or car on the day that wins. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if her first NASCAR win comes at either Daytona, Talladega, or the Brickyard.
Yea a lot of first (and only) time winners at both Daytona and Talladega.
Quote from: "PopeyesPappy"Yea a lot of first (and only) time winners at both Daytona and Talladega.
Yep, like that Christer dude from last year or the year before. Won Daytona in his first ever 500 as a rookie and is still only a part timer spending most of his time in Nationwide without much success in Sprint Cup.
* Trevor Bayne in 2011
Yea but it isn't about her sex. Seriously there are 30 some odd drivers and only 2 pole positions and rarely does a pole win. Not to mention all the other drivers she beat. Not to mention all the races where men beat other men. Not to mention other male drivers with worse records or dont even qualify. It still amounts to skill. She did the work and win or lose she still has done way better than many other drivers over a career.
If the field were long term 50% over a long sample rate you would see that gender would have nothing to do with it.
I am disappoint that a thread that should have been titled "Danica wins pole" shows very little.
Quote from: "aitm"I am disappoint that a thread that should have been titled "Danica wins pole" shows very little.
Hardy har har..........I am quite sure lots of straight guys want to give her the pole.
What sort of Polish guys are there for her to win?
I'm not gay, but am an atheist who does enjoy NASCAR. So, at least I'm semi-weird.
I like the new look. It isn't that dramatic, but the bodywork is a lot more interesting, whether or not it achieves the mandate of sort of looking like a Camry, or Ford, or Chevy SS (do they even use those yet? They were just unveiled recently).
From what little I've seen, the '13 cars seem a bit more squirrely than in the past. Kind of hard to control. But it has been great fun to watch. I still prefer Rolex Series, the sports cars and prototypes that use all road courses, including Daytona's roval set-up.
I'm not sure I'll be around for the 500, but I look forward to hearing how it goes. Go, Junior!
Quote from: "C172"I'm not sure I'll be around for the 500, but I look forward to hearing how it goes. Go, Junior!
The 500 happens to take place on the same day as my boyfriend's birthday this year, so it's very doubtful I'll get to watch it. I will make sure to keep tabs on it by texting people I know will be watching, though.
Quote from: "C172"What sort of Polish guys are there for her to win?
I'm not gay, but am an atheist who does enjoy NASCAR. So, at least I'm semi-weird.
I like the new look. It isn't that dramatic, but the bodywork is a lot more interesting, whether or not it achieves the mandate of sort of looking like a Camry, or Ford, or Chevy SS (do they even use those yet? They were just unveiled recently).
From what little I've seen, the '13 cars seem a bit more squirrely than in the past. Kind of hard to control. But it has been great fun to watch. I still prefer Rolex Series, the sports cars and prototypes that use all road courses, including Daytona's roval set-up.
I'm not sure I'll be around for the 500, but I look forward to hearing how it goes. Go, Junior!
I watched some of the race Saturday night. They were having trouble passing for the lead. Aero issue with the new cars.
^ I really wish they would stick to one car for a while.
Quote from: "Shiranu"As boring as I find NASCAR, it does take skill and it is science, so I have to respect it.
I do enjoy watching the occasional bit of NASCAR but it's far from the pinnacle of motorsport technology or skill really. There have been some interesting developments in it though.
Quote from: "SGOS"Quote from: "wolf39us"Meh, they're taking another left turn! They're taking another left turn!
I wonder what's gonna happen next!
I would propose a more interesting variation for NASCAR, a straight track of 3 miles with no turns in the track itself. A lap would consist of a run to the end of the track, doing a 180, and racing back to the start. There could be 100 laps in the race. They wouldn't have to actually build new tracks for this. They could simply use runways at major airports, and race while planes were landing.
This would open NASCAR to new locations around the country, and make NASCAR available to a larger segment of the population.
Maybe they could put gun turrets on their vehicles too and shoot at each other. Now that would be exciting
Quote from: "SilentFutility"Quote from: "Shiranu"As boring as I find NASCAR, it does take skill and it is science, so I have to respect it.
I do enjoy watching the occasional bit of NASCAR but it's far from the pinnacle of motorsport technology or skill really. There have been some interesting developments in it though.
And anyone with an modicum of interest in motorsports knows it was never intended to be the pinnacle of motorsport. I can't but help to chuckle at the people in this thread that attempt to compare NASCAR cup racing to Formula 1. It is almost like they don't have a clue that modern F1 car is a neutered cream puff version of what it could be. I mean hell they have sanctioned cheating (DRS) just so people can pass.
Quote from: "PopeyesPappy"And anyone with an modicum of interest in motorsports knows it was never intended to be the pinnacle of motorsport. I can't but help to chuckle at the people in this thread that attempt to compare NASCAR cup racing to Formula 1. It is almost like they don't have a clue that modern F1 car is a neutered cream puff version of what it could be. I mean hell they have sanctioned cheating (DRS) just so people can pass.
Yeah I know. NASCAR's not really my cup of tea but I do watch it on occasion, it's pretty much limited to highlights on youtube every now and then though, as NASCAR gets next to no coverage in the UK. It may be on subscription channels but I wouldn't know. I'd watch it a bit more if I could.
Although it's not that technologically advanced, the performance seen without even fuel injection were pretty impressive, and I do really like the aero devices that pop up off of the rooves of the cars in the event of an incident to stabilise the vehicle.
I do think that vehicle regulations should be less restrictive in F1, it has gotten to the point of completely stifling innovation eg. reactive ride height systems being prohibited despite originally being allowed to be developed. I must say that this past season has had some absolutely amazing racing and the tyre compounds and management balance is spot-on. I do understand that regulations are to preserve competitiveness, but I do think that there should still be scope for innovation. I don't even have a problem with DRS systems per se, but I do think that their use shouldn't be restricted if they are to be allowed on the cars. Ultimately though, it is difficult to get the balance between allowing for innovation and keeping the racing competitive and exciting right, and despite the cars not being quite as mental as they should/could be, I did really enjoy this season's racing.
Quote from: "SilentFutility"Quote from: "PopeyesPappy"And anyone with an modicum of interest in motorsports knows it was never intended to be the pinnacle of motorsport. I can't but help to chuckle at the people in this thread that attempt to compare NASCAR cup racing to Formula 1. It is almost like they don't have a clue that modern F1 car is a neutered cream puff version of what it could be. I mean hell they have sanctioned cheating (DRS) just so people can pass.
Yeah I know. NASCAR's not really my cup of tea but I do watch it on occasion, it's pretty much limited to highlights on youtube every now and then though, as NASCAR gets next to no coverage in the UK. It may be on subscription channels but I wouldn't know. I'd watch it a bit more if I could.
Although it's not that technologically advanced, the performance seen without even fuel injection were pretty impressive, and I do really like the aero devices that pop up off of the rooves of the cars in the event of an incident to stabilise the vehicle.
I do think that vehicle regulations should be less restrictive in F1, it has gotten to the point of completely stifling innovation eg. reactive ride height systems being prohibited despite originally being allowed to be developed. I must say that this past season has had some absolutely amazing racing and the tyre compounds and management balance is spot-on. I do understand that regulations are to preserve competitiveness, but I do think that there should still be scope for innovation. I don't even have a problem with DRS systems per se, but I do think that their use shouldn't be restricted if they are to be allowed on the cars. Ultimately though, it is difficult to get the balance between allowing for innovation and keeping the racing competitive and exciting right, and despite the cars not being quite as mental as they should/could be, I did really enjoy this season's racing.
Indy car came up with a pretty good system like the DRS that seems more balanced and fair with their push to pass button. It's a button on the steering wheel that gives the car a shot of extra horsepower that has basically the same effect. They can use it at anytime on the track, though it takes X number of seconds to reload that I think works out to basically once in a lap, and they each have a set number for the entire race. The car in front would be allowed to use it defensively if they want.
Quote from: "BarkAtTheMoon"It's a button on the steering wheel that gives the car a shot of extra horsepower that has basically the same effect. They can use it at anytime on the track, though it takes X number of seconds to reload that I think works out to basically once in a lap, and they each have a set number for the entire race. The car in front would be allowed to use it defensively if they want.
How exactly does it work?
Formula 1 has KERS (Kinetic Energy Regeneration System), which doesn't sound too dissimilar.
Quote from: "SilentFutility"Quote from: "BarkAtTheMoon"It's a button on the steering wheel that gives the car a shot of extra horsepower that has basically the same effect. They can use it at anytime on the track, though it takes X number of seconds to reload that I think works out to basically once in a lap, and they each have a set number for the entire race. The car in front would be allowed to use it defensively if they want.
How exactly does it work?
Formula 1 has KERS (Kinetic Energy Regeneration System), which doesn't sound too dissimilar.
I think it basically injects extra fuel for like 5 seconds upping the horsepower. That makes it involve the team's fuel strategy, too.
I don't think Indy has near the problem with passing as F1 does. For one, half the races are on ovals, and because of that there's a lot wider range of skill on road courses.
Quote from: "BarkAtTheMoon"Quote from: "SilentFutility"Quote from: "BarkAtTheMoon"It's a button on the steering wheel that gives the car a shot of extra horsepower that has basically the same effect. They can use it at anytime on the track, though it takes X number of seconds to reload that I think works out to basically once in a lap, and they each have a set number for the entire race. The car in front would be allowed to use it defensively if they want.
How exactly does it work?
Formula 1 has KERS (Kinetic Energy Regeneration System), which doesn't sound too dissimilar.
I think it basically injects extra fuel for like 5 seconds upping the horsepower. That makes it involve the team's fuel strategy, too.
I don't think Indy has near the problem with passing as F1 does. For one, half the races are on ovals, and because of that there's a lot wider range of skill on road courses.
This sounds counterproductive. Adding more fuel would change the mixture and possibly cut your engine.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/autoracing/95164034.html (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/autoracing/95164034.html) This article will explain it better than I can.
Quote from: "Alaric I"This sounds counterproductive. Adding more fuel would change the mixture and possibly cut your engine.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/autoracing/95164034.html (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/autoracing/95164034.html) This article will explain it better than I can.
I know it
uses more fuel when they push it. The announcers have mentioned that during races before.
I watched NASCAR only a single time in my life. I made the comment to a big fan that I thought it was boring and the only thing that made it worth watching was the crashes (I had seen other races). That was the day that one dude crashed and died, so I tend to just keep my mouth shut about the crashes now. I always assumed that he thought me an ass after that, but it was at the sistere-in-law's house and we left before the crash and she's not seeing him anymore, so I don't know. Really, I guess I don't care much. He was nice enough, but I had no great urge to get to know him.
Quote from: "Alaric I"This sounds counterproductive. Adding more fuel would change the mixture and possibly cut your engine.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/autoracing/95164034.html (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/autoracing/95164034.html) This article will explain it better than I can.
The flow of fuel to an automotive engine varies all the time. How do you think an engine accelerates without additional fuel? Adding fuel only alters the A/F ratio if the same amount of air is being sucked in, if you want to go faster, you suck in more air and add more fuel to compensate. The throttle (gas pedal if you're from the US) literally throttles the air intake, and when you put your foot all the way down you have wide-open throttle ie. you're not restricting the flow of air into the engine at all, the engine management system injects fuel to match the amount air being sucked in (measured by the MAP sensor and the lambda sensor/oxygen sensor in the exhaust, although not all racecars have both of these as fuel consumption is rarely an issue) at a given A/F ratio. As it is a race engine, it will be running slightly richer than stochiometric conditions (more fuel than is theoretically needed per cycle) anyway to ensure complete usage of oxygen in the inducted air and to minimise overheating.
If you want to speed the engine up, you do have to inject more fuel than if you were keeping it at a constant speed, hence why driving a road car erratically and accelerating a lot is terrible for fuel economy as opposed to cruising at a constant speed.
Anyone see the absolutely MASSIVE crash on the final lap at Talladega yesterday?
Quote from: "SilentFutility"Anyone see the absolutely MASSIVE crash on the final lap at Talladega yesterday?
That was Daytona as well. I saw it. 29 people in the stands got injured because a tire flew through the fence. They fixed it and today's race went as planed. Jimmie Johnson won.
FUCK work was busy today and I rushed to my moms place only to catch the last 5 laps. Fucking pissed me off that Danica was in third till the last lap and dropped down to 8. But kudos in any case, how many guys did she beat?
Quote from: "Brian37"FUCK work was busy today and I rushed to my moms place only to catch the last 5 laps. Fucking pissed me off that Danica was in third till the last lap and dropped down to 8. But kudos in any case, how many guys did she beat?
All but 7 and one chick.
Fuck Daytona. This is the shit
http://www.aussieracingcars.com.au/ (http://www.aussieracingcars.com.au/)
Quote from: "The Skeletal Atheist"Quote from: "SilentFutility"Anyone see the absolutely MASSIVE crash on the final lap at Talladega yesterday?
That was Daytona as well. I saw it. 29 people in the stands got injured because a tire flew through the fence. They fixed it and today's race went as planed. Jimmie Johnson won.
Oh. Well in any case, it was huge. 25 cars involved if I remember correctly.
Quote from: "stromboli"Fuck Daytona. This is the shit
http://www.aussieracingcars.com.au/ (http://www.aussieracingcars.com.au/)
V8 supercars is pretty good.
I like BTCC but it is nowhere near as good as it was in the 90s, same goes for a lot of european motorsport though really.
500 miles in a circle? How exciting.. damned, I missed it and all the nonsense that goes with it.. On the bright side I was reading a legal thriller that has on the back cover: 'By the time the whole circus ends up in the courtroom the hurling plot threatens to rip paper cuts into the readers hands! ~~San Francisco Chronicle'
Fuck! No paper cuts dammit! :evil:
Quote from: "Brian37"Fucking pissed me off that Danica was in third till the last lap and dropped down to 8.
That tends to happen in restrictor plate races. If your draft line slows up a bit, you can drop a bunch of places real quick and there's nothing you can really do about it. All you can do is be in a position to win on the last couple laps and she did that.
Quote from: "SilentFutility"Quote from: "The Skeletal Atheist"Quote from: "SilentFutility"Anyone see the absolutely MASSIVE crash on the final lap at Talladega yesterday?
That was Daytona as well. I saw it. 29 people in the stands got injured because a tire flew through the fence. They fixed it and today's race went as planed. Jimmie Johnson won.
Oh. Well in any case, it was huge. 25 cars involved if I remember correctly.
It was pretty much the entire field that was left in the race at that point because it started with the two lead cars. Tony Stewart won the race and IIRC even he crossed the finish line sliding sideways.
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"500 miles in a circle? How exciting.. damned, I missed it and all the nonsense that goes with it..
I'm not the sport's biggest fan, but I guarantee you that if you were driving at 190mph and having contact with other cars you'd be pretty excited to say the least.