The Canaanites were a depraved and unholy lot. I'm pretty sure they would have pissed me off. :braceface:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/science/ancient-canaanites-bible-lebanon.html?_r=0
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There is a story in the Hebrew Bible that tells of God’s call for the annihilation of the Canaanites, a people who lived in what are now Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Israel and the Palestinian territories thousands of years ago.
“You shall not leave alive anything that breathes,†God said in the passage. “But you shall utterly destroy them.â€
But a genetic analysis published on Thursday has found that the ancient population survived that divine call for their extinction, and their descendants live in modern Lebanon.
Yes, the Canaanites were beyond depraved. They were so evil that God ordered them destroyed. I think God was probably a little weary when he issued that order, for he could have 'thought' them out of existence--he did create them after all, so that would be his right--but ordered other humans to do it. And according to the Bible it was done as ordered.
So, There!, SGOS. You and your study are clearly wrong for the Bible clearly says they were made gone-gone with no trace whatsoever. The Bible Trumps your stupid old study!!
You know what they say. If you want something done right, you've gotta do it yourself. God should really stop relying on the help.
Actually, the Bible admits that the Canaanite people of Gezer were allowed to live, because they tricked the invading Israelites into accepting them as allies, the Israelites only later finding out that their allies were Canaanites ;-)
It is all politics anyway. Some scholars (like Finklestein) thinks that the invasion from across the Jordan never happened. That it was a normal cycle for the hill country to fail economically, and the shepherds living lower and to the East, moving into the vacuum. Also Jericho wasn't destroyed by the Israelites at all. There was an ideological change ... the prior people at pigs, but the Israelites did not. So it is just a kosher difference ;-) There is no difference between Canaanite language and Hebrew ... both have the "Canaanite vowel shift" not found in the more rustic Aramaic and Arabic. Abraham's family was supposedly Aramean (I think they were Hurrian) ... the Midianite father-in-law of Moses, would have spoken Arabic. And the people with Moses were a "mixed multitude" anyway.
For a god who orders the killing of babies and the rape of little girls and for women to be forced to marry their rapists or for people to murder their sons for being pissy with them and to let angels sip mead and eat bread while innocent girls are raped and butchered to protect them.....them cannonites musta been REAL depraved eh?
Quote from: aitm on July 29, 2017, 06:10:13 PM
For a god who orders the killing of babies and the rape of little girls and for women to be forced to marry their rapists or for people to murder their sons for being pissy with them and to let angels sip mead and eat bread while innocent girls are raped and butchered to protect them.....them cannonites musta been REAL depraved eh?
Some of them engaged in child sacrifice, because late term abortion hadn't been invented yet.
Quote from: Baruch on July 29, 2017, 11:53:42 PM
Some of them engaged in child sacrifice, because late term abortion hadn't been invented yet.
So did the Hebrews in the Old Testment. "You must give me the first born of your sons."
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 30, 2017, 02:58:42 AM
So did the Hebrews in the Old Testment. "You must give me the first born of your sons."
Don't tell rabbis! Reinterpretation changed the meaning of that ;=0
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 30, 2017, 02:58:42 AM
So did the Hebrews in the Old Testment. "You must give me the first born of your sons."
Not so much of a sacrifice, given that they breed like rabbis.
Quote from: Atheon on July 30, 2017, 08:03:07 AM
Not so much of a sacrifice, given that they breed like rabbis.
I don't know how to interpret that. Let me consult a rabbi. Do you mean Semites in general including Arabs?
Quote from: Baruch on July 30, 2017, 07:42:54 AM
Don't tell rabbis! Reinterpretation changed the meaning of that ;=0
Hey. At least they gave the mothers seven days to be with their babies before tearing them from their arms and slitting their throats. They weren't
total savages.
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 30, 2017, 11:00:30 AM
Hey. At least they gave the mothers seven days to be with their babies before tearing them from their arms and slitting their throats. They weren't total savages.
Romans couldn't execute pregnant women. Perpetua of Carthage, was pregnant. That gave her extra time to reverse her obstinacy (in spite of pleading by her father and the magistrate). As soon as her baby was delivered, on the next public execution opportunity, she was executed. Think of it as early "death by cop". A young man in Iowa just did this. Stole his parent's car. Had a flat. Tried to carjack an elderly couple and failed. The police hunted him down, and since he was "approaching" them ... they opened fire and killed him. So much easier to stone them at the gate, eh?
Just talked to an old hippie last night. He had anger issues as a teen, from father abuse. He took up weed in his teens, and hasn't been angry since.
Apparently, it is rather hard to get rid of the Canaanites. I read a recent study in The Washington Post newspaper about DNA showing the Canaanites are still genetically distinct in the Middle East. It may have been Jordan or Lebanon. I don't feel like looking it up. Feel free to.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 03, 2017, 10:30:12 AM
Apparently, it is rather hard to get rid of the Canaanites. I read a recent study in The Washington Post newspaper about DNA showing the Canaanites are still genetically distinct in the Middle East. It may have been Jordan or Lebanon. I don't feel like looking it up. Feel free to.
Linguisticially, the Arabs are not Canaanites, but the Jews who speak Ivrit are.
Studied a general Y-chromosome analysis ... the Lebanese are quite diverse, and we would expect that from the history. Both old Y-chromosome and more recent from Arabs and Crusaders and Greeks and Romans. So I call BS on this report anyway ... there is really no way to tell, other than the old Sidon evidence must be genetically diverse too, minus the obvious more recent invasions. My own Y-chromosome comes from early Fertile Crescent people, who were in the area long before the Israelites were a country.
Quote from: aitm on July 29, 2017, 06:10:13 PM
for women to be forced to marry their rapists
This marrying the rapist crap is still going on:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jordan-marry-rapist-law-rape-convicts-escape-punishment-marriage/
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 03, 2017, 03:25:11 PM
This marrying the rapist crap is still going on:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jordan-marry-rapist-law-rape-convicts-escape-punishment-marriage/
I try to consider all religions equally dumb. But when I read things like this, I wonder. I'll count it as social and personal ignorance sort of like the Christian Hatfields and McCoys...
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 03, 2017, 03:25:11 PM
This marrying the rapist crap is still going on:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jordan-marry-rapist-law-rape-convicts-escape-punishment-marriage/
That is all about women being property, as they were here, until 1920. That an magical thinking, that a potentially pregnant woman, without husband, will bring plague. The Bible has the story of Ruth, to dissuade some of this ancient stuff ... the widow having to marry a brother of her dead husband, to bear children for his name, if she didn't do so already. Boas stepped in, instead of the douche that was next in line.
Quote from: Baruch on August 06, 2017, 07:40:51 AM
That is all about women being property, as they were here, until 1920. That an magical thinking, that a potentially pregnant woman, without husband, will bring plague. The Bible has the story of Ruth, to dissuade some of this ancient stuff ... the widow having to marry a brother of her dead husband, to bear children for his name, if she didn't do so already. Boas stepped in, instead of the douche that was next in line.
Wasn't the next guy in line kinda blindsided by the situation? I remember when Boas went to him to ask if he wanted dibs, he said he'd take her. But then Boas told him that she was a foreigner, and he was like, "Eh. You can have her."
Quote from: Blackleaf on August 06, 2017, 11:31:57 AM
Wasn't the next guy in line kinda blindsided by the situation? I remember when Boas went to him to ask if he wanted dibs, he said he'd take her. But then Boas told him that she was a foreigner, and he was like, "Eh. You can have her."
Wow you threw me for a loop there a bit. I finally found Boaz in the online bible. Do you have any idea how many "boas" Google shows there are that didn't make any sense? LOL!
Quote from: Cavebear on August 06, 2017, 11:55:43 AM
Wow you threw me for a loop there a bit. I finally found Boaz in the online bible. Do you have any idea how many "boas" Google shows there are that didn't make any sense? LOL!
Sorry for the bad transcription. But as an atheist from birth, if you read the Bible your fur catches fire ;-)
Quote from: Blackleaf on August 06, 2017, 11:31:57 AM
Wasn't the next guy in line kinda blindsided by the situation? I remember when Boas went to him to ask if he wanted dibs, he said he'd take her. But then Boas told him that she was a foreigner, and he was like, "Eh. You can have her."
This story was pre-Ezra or possibly anti-Ezra from later times. Ruth was the ancestor of King David ... so being impure isn't a real hindrance. Just ask Falasha.