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Title: Bye Bye Miss American Pie ...
Post by: Baruch on June 29, 2017, 07:06:35 AM
http://www.newsweek.com/yellowstone-supervolcano-earthquake-swarm-update-eruption-risk-629272

So did Trump cause Yellowstone earthquakes or did Putin?
Title: Re: Bye Bye Miss American Pie ...
Post by: Sal1981 on June 29, 2017, 07:14:01 AM
With such small odds, there's no need to worry.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Miss American Pie ...
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on June 29, 2017, 09:47:18 AM
The monster-shouters love this kind of shit.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Miss American Pie ...
Post by: Cavebear on June 29, 2017, 10:15:41 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on June 29, 2017, 09:47:18 AM
The monster-shouters love this kind of shit.
Sometimes, I have to carefully separate your words from the avatar you use that I love.  I wonder how often avatars affect us?  It is oftentimes too easy to agree with what someone says based on the avatar they display.

Who hates Calvin?  Or a cavebear?
Title: Re: Bye Bye Miss American Pie ...
Post by: Atheon on June 29, 2017, 10:21:01 AM
Maybe it will wipe out the Red States.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Miss American Pie ...
Post by: Mike Cl on June 29, 2017, 10:39:04 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on June 29, 2017, 10:15:41 AM
Sometimes, I have to carefully separate your words from the avatar you use that I love.  I wonder how often avatars affect us?  It is oftentimes too easy to agree with what someone says based on the avatar they display.

Who hates Calvin?  Or a cavebear?
Nobody hates Calvin.  A cavebear---a caveman????
Title: Re: Bye Bye Miss American Pie ...
Post by: Cavebear on June 29, 2017, 11:13:49 AM
Ursus spelaeus
Title: Re: Bye Bye Miss American Pie ...
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on June 29, 2017, 11:17:21 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on June 29, 2017, 10:15:41 AM
Sometimes, I have to carefully separate your words from the avatar you use that I love.  I wonder how often avatars affect us?  It is oftentimes too easy to agree with what someone says based on the avatar they display.

Who hates Calvin?  Or a cavebear?
I like short-faced cavebears. They had a life-sized model of one at the Missouri Historical Society. He was challenging a mastodon. We may never know who won that one.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Miss American Pie ...
Post by: Cavebear on June 29, 2017, 11:25:23 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on June 29, 2017, 11:17:21 AM
I like short-faced cavebears. They had a life-sized model of one at the Missouri Historical Society. He was challenging a mastodon. We may never know who won that one.

And when I go to bed late today, I will be re-reading the Calvin collection of the baby-sitter and the dadisms.  But please give me a break from the moving avatar?
Title: Re: Bye Bye Miss American Pie ...
Post by: Unbeliever on June 29, 2017, 05:05:25 PM
Any of y'all ever seen this movie? I don't know just how realistic it is, but it was an interesting attempt at portraying what it would be like.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFaFfdOzPP8
Title: Re: Bye Bye Miss American Pie ...
Post by: Baruch on June 29, 2017, 10:04:56 PM
There were two movies on this theme, around that time.  This is the best one.  Yes, it is realistic.  How about the end of much of agriculture in N America for 100 years?  You can't farm thru three feet of volcanic ash, then all the acid rain, all the stratospheric dust causing a "non-nuclear winter".  The last eruption like this, is probably what got the last Ice Ages started.  But it isn't a complete loss .. saber tooth cats for everyone!
Title: Re: Bye Bye Miss American Pie ...
Post by: SGOS on June 30, 2017, 12:58:31 PM
QuoteThe last volcanic eruption within the caldera was 70,000 years ago. For magma to reach the surface, a new vent needs to be created, which requires a lot of intense geological activity.

I know this is from an expert and all, but predicting volcanoes is not high on the list of scientific advancements.  Mankind may even be extinct before the next time Yellowstone explodes.  But when she goes, a good place to watch it from, if man is still around, would be the moon.

But the Wyoming Chamber of Commerce is still advertising Yellowstone as an ideal weekend for the family.  They downplay the risk factor by claiming that when Yellowstone goes, they're taking the rest of the planet with them, so you might as well be in Yellowstone when it happens.  Don't feed the bears, though.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Miss American Pie ...
Post by: Baruch on June 30, 2017, 01:06:54 PM
Some actual science, not movie ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmDJs8KbSUI
Title: Re: Bye Bye Miss American Pie ...
Post by: Cavebear on July 03, 2017, 08:18:16 AM
Quote from: SGOS on June 30, 2017, 12:58:31 PM
I know this is from an expert and all, but predicting volcanoes is not high on the list of scientific advancements.  Mankind may even be extinct before the next time Yellowstone explodes.  But when she goes, a good place to watch it from, if man is still around, would be the moon.

But the Wyoming Chamber of Commerce is still advertising Yellowstone as an ideal weekend for the family.  They downplay the risk factor by claiming that when Yellowstone goes, they're taking the rest of the planet with them, so you might as well be in Yellowstone when it happens.  Don't feed the bears, though.

The last supervolcano eruption at Yellowstone was about 630,000 years ago.  Not 70,000.  The poster may be thinking of the Toba super eruption which did occur about 70.000 years ago at Sumatra.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Miss American Pie ...
Post by: Baruch on July 03, 2017, 08:26:05 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on July 03, 2017, 08:18:16 AM
The last supervolcano eruption at Yellowstone was about 630,000 years ago.  Not 70,000.  The poster may be thinking of the Toba super eruption which did occur about 70.000 years ago at Sumatra.

Correct, that is even bigger, but similar in type ... disrupted the ecology enough to kill off most hominids (Neanderthals in Europe were far enough away to survive ... all modern humans who had left Africa before that, died.  The tiger lives very close, and the genetic bottleneck evidence is that only a very few mating pairs of tigers survived ... they are very inbred.  Perhaps only 70,000 modern humans survived, in Africa.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Miss American Pie ...
Post by: SGOS on July 03, 2017, 09:36:46 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on July 03, 2017, 08:18:16 AM
The last supervolcano eruption at Yellowstone was about 630,000 years ago.  Not 70,000.  The poster may be thinking of the Toba super eruption which did occur about 70.000 years ago at Sumatra.
I noticed that too.  I didn't have the dates on hand, but 70,000 was way off the mark from the source I had, and the devastation was much more far reaching than what he explained.  No doubt there have been smaller irruptions, and he may have been using those as typical.  As I recall, we are actually overdue for one of the massive irruptions, but that being said, massive irruptions don't run by a clock.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Miss American Pie ...
Post by: SGOS on July 03, 2017, 09:39:21 AM
He might have been from the Wyoming Chamber of Commerce. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Bye Bye Miss American Pie ...
Post by: Unbeliever on July 03, 2017, 09:15:13 PM
I've wondered just how hard it would be for bad guys to cause an eruption by artificial means - maybe fracking for natural gas would do it.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Miss American Pie ...
Post by: Cavebear on July 06, 2017, 07:11:17 AM
I am reminded of 2 unrelated businessmen vacationing in Miami.  After exchanging a few pleasantries, the first confided he was wealthy because his business had burned to the ground.  The second said his had been destroyed by an earthquake.  After a few moments, the first asked "How to you start an earthquake"?