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They are pulling this video like crazy, and all it is doing is making it spread like wildfire.
Don Mattrick (Executive for Xbox) admits he doesn't give a fuck about consumers, saying...
"If you don't 100% of the time have internet, then we have a console for you... its the 360.".
Oh... right. So if you come from one of the many countries that has poor internet access or none at all... go fuck yourself and enjoy last generation consoles; we don't give a fuck about our customers and making sure they have access to the newest products on the market.
If you have been following the news... Microsoft has really shit the bed with the XB1 and their PR, and they seem to be hell bent on sticking to the course instead of actually FIXING IT.
This is gonna be the shortest console war ever.
Compared to all the fucked things Microsoft has done, video games and consoles are pretty minor.
I don't see the big deal really...
If you don't have/want an internet based console... DON'T GET ONE.
Quote from: "Plu"This is gonna be the shortest console war ever.
Only if everyone makes the sensible choice and buys none of them. Which won't happen because we know people.
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I'm more disappointed with the Ouya people as their E3 showing is more like a publicity stunt.
QuoteOnly if everyone makes the sensible choice and buys none of them. Which won't happen because we know people.
Yeah, I guess you're right.
QuoteI'm more disappointed with the Ouya people as their E3 showing is more like a publicity stunt.
That seems like a reasonable thing to do, considering most of the world has no idea what an Ouya is.
Quote from: "the_antithesis"Quote from: "Plu"This is gonna be the shortest console war ever.
Only if everyone makes the sensible choice and buys none of them. Which won't happen because we know people.
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I'm more disappointed with the Ouya people as their E3 showing is more like a publicity stunt.
Totally. I see no reason whatsoever to get one of the new gen consoles, at least not for a few years and they're dirt cheap.
My 360 has everything I need at the moment. Maybe things will change, but not in the short term, and not with the very little improvement I see on them.
Quote from: "wolf39us"I don't see the big deal really...
If you don't have/want an internet based console... DON'T GET ONE.
I think the big deal is they've wobbled back and forth on whether the Xbone is always online or not and now here's a guy saying that if you want a console that's not always on or you just don't have a good internet connection or internet at all, then you could buy a seven year old console instead of the hottest and latest thing which they are spending a lot of money in advertizing hype to get you to want. Basically they are leaving out a sizable chunk of their audience with this move. Not necessarily a bad thing. Technology has to move forward and when it does, you inevitably leave people behind. So alienating a chunk of your user base is a small price to pay to be able to walk into your living room and say "Xbox on," now isn't it?
Quote from: "wolf39us"I don't see the big deal really...
If you don't have/want an internet based console... DON'T GET ONE.
As a fellow Linux guy, I can't believe you would say that.
Quote from: "wolf39us"I don't see the big deal really...
If you don't have/want an internet based console... DON'T GET ONE.
I agree. But people will buy it anyway for unfathomable reasons. And this has long been a gripe for PC gamers as well - always-on drm for games like Diablo 3 and Sim City.
I can certainly see the appeal for the company - you keep total control over your product and the customer can't access content without payment. Cha-ching! However, there's not a whole lot of appeal for the customer. Presumably updates/dlc, but that's sort of a given.
Basically, it's a cash grab for the company and the gamer pays dearly for it. Not exactly the sort of thing that should be encouraged as an industry standard.
Quote from: "_Xenu_"Quote from: "wolf39us"I don't see the big deal really...
If you don't have/want an internet based console... DON'T GET ONE.
As a fellow Linux guy, I can't believe you would say that.
Why not?
I love Linux, this is true. But I can't imagine working on any system/console without internet connectivity.
Quote from: "wolf39us"I love Linux, this is true. But I can't imagine working on any system/console without internet connectivity.
Because its a kind of control that Linux folk tend to passionately reject, especially when it comes from Microsoft.
I'm more inclined to get a Wii U, because I haven't played Skyward Sword yet and Megaman's in the new Smash Bros. If I did choose between PS4 and XBone though, I would stick with Sony. Microsoft's being dicks.
Quote from: "wolf39us"I don't see the big deal really...
If you don't have/want an internet based console... DON'T GET ONE.
The big deal is that these people are going to be stuck with an obsolete system. They likely won't be able to get most new titles, and in a year or two, any. It also really sounds like their talking down to gamers. Even if this wasn't going to affect people with no internet (20% of American households,) to those people this still sounds like
"Oh, you're to POOR to afford a big boy system? Go play with your etch-a-sketch."
And that pisses people off.
Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"Totally. I see no reason whatsoever to get one of the new gen consoles, at least not for a few years and they're dirt cheap.
My 360 has everything I need at the moment. Maybe things will change, but not in the short term, and not with the very little improvement I see on them.
I don't think there's going to be any need to upgrade my hardware until virtual reality becomes mainstream in games. There's nothing bleeding edge consoles can do that my five year old computer can't, except making the same games look better.
Quote from: "Plu"This is gonna be the shortest console war ever.
Isn't it only a war if 2 (or more) groups are fighting? This is more of a massacre.
//http://www.xboxdone.com
I think Microsoft is so used to the monopoly mindset, they sometimes forget that they have actual competition in the console market.
Quote from: "pato15"I think Microsoft is so used to the monopoly mindset, they sometimes forget that they have actual competition in the console market.
This. May they get the ass kicking they deserve.
They are misreading the market. The only reason consoles are successful is because theres a demographic out there that can't afford an average gaming PC, which is something that actually can be built for around 500 dollars if you know what you're doing.
So they fucked up twice. They put the release price perilously close to what it takes to build a PC capable of gaming, and they made it online only thus telling the poor demographic that can't afford a decent internet connection to go fuck themselves again. This is on top of the previous PR fuckup in which they introduced the console as if it were some sort of glorified cable TV box.
QuoteThe only reason consoles are successful is because theres a demographic out there that can't afford an average gaming PC,
You forgot the market for people who don't care enough to assemble and maintain a gaming pc. Many people play console because it takes less work than playing pc games.
Quote from: "wolf39us"I don't see the big deal really...
If you don't have/want an internet based console... DON'T GET ONE.
My last gaming console.
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Quote from: "wolf39us"I don't see the big deal really...
If you don't have/want an internet based console... DON'T GET ONE.
Here is the thing: A large majority of the world's population live in areas where internet connection is not a guaranteed to have or even to work 24/7. Think of places like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Mexico, Brazil, Chile... these places are HUGE markets and Microsoft essentially said, "Go fuck yourself and buy our last gen, because we want more money but we cant accept we made a stupid ass mistake that alienates yall."
Then you have people in developed countries that don't always have internet connections; say you are moving soon, so you are without internet for a few weeks... too bad, your cablebox 1 no longer works. Have a poor economic month and cant afford internet bill? Too bad, no xbox. Live in rural United States and use say satalite internet, which doesn't always works? Go fuck yourself.
And if you don't have the new system, you lose out on both power and titles to play. You are limited to only buying games from a soon-to-be-dead market, while everyone else is playing the newest titles. All this after Microsoft said, "GET OUR NEW XBOX! GET OUR NEW XBOX! GET OUR NEW XBOX NAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!", and if you don't you are a loser and a poor person.
This is why it is a problem... it is a terrible business plan and it is a terrible way to treat your costumers. And Microsoft knows it, but doesn't want to fix it... they rather censor it. Microsoft has ZERO integrity and has to be called on their shit.
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MORE moronic news from Microsoft. I just...don't...even...
I get what you are all saying and I agree it's a bad business model. But in the end, if you don't like the way the system was designed... then don't get it! Sony will be allowing the used game market to continue, unlike some companies *ahem*.
So what happens now? People without internet are forced to either A. Get internet, or B. Get a different console! Microsoft screws themselves over and is forced to overprice their box (which it already is)... people move over to Sony. Microsoft will see their drop in profits and will either suffer or make adjustments accordingly
QuoteSo what happens now? People without internet are forced to either A. Get internet, or B. Get a different console! Microsoft screws themselves over and is forced to overprice their box (which it already is)... people move over to Sony. Microsoft will see their drop in profits and will either suffer or make adjustments accordingly.
Oh yeah, don't get me wrong... I'm not posting this to say, "Microsoft, change policy nao!" or to convince yall not to get it...
I just have found Microsoft making complete asses out of themselves hilarious and like to share good comedy :P.
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MORE moronic news from Microsoft. I just...don't...even...
Its like theyre trying to fuck themselves over deliberately.
Quote from: "Nonsensei"Quote from: "Shiranu"//http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/12/xbox-one-will-support-live-in-these-countries-at-launch/?a_dgi=aolshare_twitter
MORE moronic news from Microsoft. I just...don't...even...
Its like theyre trying to fuck themselves over deliberately.
Between their PR, their questionable decisions in what the XB1 should be about (cable tv or game console? Online/offline? Etc.) and the fact they are leaving out huge markets... I just have to wonder who is running the show. On one hand, it looks like they don't give a shit about their customers, but on the other it seems like they don't give a shit about making money... they are just running around, doing whatever they want with complete disregard for what their actions will mean to their customers or their checkbooks.
I never can understand how businesses like this stay afloat, except that people are stupid enough to buy this garbage anyways...
I've met several people who insisted, even on seeing the direct evidence in the form of Microsoft's own statements, that none of this stuff is true. These people, along with Killer Instinct fans, seem to be Microsoft's entire customer base now. Which reminds me of another reason I hate Microsoft: they killed Rare, and have been using its corpse as a puppet to peddle their shitty games for a decade now.
Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"Totally. I see no reason whatsoever to get one of the new gen consoles, at least not for a few years and they're dirt cheap.
My 360 has everything I need at the moment. Maybe things will change, but not in the short term, and not with the very little improvement I see on them.
This, the 360 is perfect for now, no need to upgrade until there is REAL change. Also, I don't see the big deal with this clip, telling customers that an older product may work better for them...is honest! I mean as opposed to just telling people to buy their new product and find a way to make it work (lying).
I appreciate that.
This traces back to their monopoly situation with new PCs having Windows OS pre-installed as part of the OEM. If customers were, back in the day, given the option to choose their OS, Microsoft would never have become this large. Not only that, you'd see a lot better standards in OS and computer hardware than all this dicking around.
Quote from: "Aroura33"Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"Totally. I see no reason whatsoever to get one of the new gen consoles, at least not for a few years and they're dirt cheap.
My 360 has everything I need at the moment. Maybe things will change, but not in the short term, and not with the very little improvement I see on them.
This, the 360 is perfect for now, no need to upgrade until there is REAL change. Also, I don't see the big deal with this clip, telling customers that an older product may work better for them...is honest! I mean as opposed to just telling people to buy their new product and find a way to make it work (lying).
I appreciate that.
If it wasn't for the rest of their shit, it wouldn't be a big issue. But...
The 360 is perfect *FOR NOW*. The problem is games will pretty much cease to be produced, and if you want the new titles, you will have to upgrade. And telling those customers, "Yeah, sorry... if you don't have internet, you aren't worth our time... but hey, still buy our older product because while we don't give a shit about you, we still want you to spend money on us!"... that may be truthful, but its truthfully admitting you don't give a shit about your customers.
And the thing is they CANT lie about this because it is public info that has been known for awhile that they have refused to admit is a bad idea. If people didn't make an issue out of it, it never would have even been brought up and people WOULD have bought it assuming it would work for them. But instead of addressing this issue they just tell their customers, "Go fuck yourself".
OH! And don't forget... if your XB1 breaks, enjoy having to buy all your games over again, since they are bound to one XB1.
MAYBE Microsoft realizes how stupid that would be, and will work on other XB1 so long as its the same account... but at this point I don't even them to get that right...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/1 ... technology (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/microsoft-rape-joke-xbox-e3_n_3417890.html?utm_hp_ref=technology)
Mild compared to what you find online, but there is no reason Microsoft should be engaging in it.
I remember the good ol days when you could just pop a game into a console and start playing, without all of this unnecessary shit getting in the way. I want more hardware and less software!
I'm sorry, I just realized a huge reason why this matters...
There is a large market of people who can afford a new generation of console but lack internet access.
The U.S. military serving abroad.
From Navy vessels to our bases in the Middle East and Latin America, American soldiers LOVE to play video games in their down time. Alot of these places lack internet access, and the places that do have internet is often heavily regulated on base. And because of that, our soldiers will not be able to use the XB1 while on deployment, and Microsoft's response is, "That's okay, just spend your money on our previous generation... you don't really deserve the newest generation because you don't have internet, anyways.".
So yeah, its a bigger deal than I first assumed actually.
Quote from: "Nonsensei"They are misreading the market. The only reason consoles are successful is because theres a demographic out there that can't afford an average gaming PC, which is something that actually can be built for around 500 dollars if you know what you're doing.
So they fucked up twice. They put the release price perilously close to what it takes to build a PC capable of gaming, and they made it online only thus telling the poor demographic that can't afford a decent internet connection to go fuck themselves again. This is on top of the previous PR fuckup in which they introduced the console as if it were some sort of glorified cable TV box.
I think what they might be trying to do with the xbone, and failing miserably at selling it to the consumer, is to make that thing a "cloud" computer dealie.
The thing about this cloud business that Steve Jobs yammered about until the day he died is that it would require a huge initial investment to set up all the infrastructure and servers and whatnot. What they're doing here is selling people the until that will have their cloud storage and maybe other things. I don't know what else cloud-wise this thing is supposed to do. Problem is this is a really, really new thing and people don't know they might want such a beast, even if once a cloud thing becomes the norm, people will wonder how they lived without it. The problem is they aren't selling it very well. They aren't showing people what the xbone can do for them. We're just hearing what we must do for the xbone. That's not how consumer electronics works.
Quote from: "Shiranu"Oh... right. So if you come from one of the many countries that has poor internet access or none at all... go fuck yourself and enjoy last generation consoles; we don't give a fuck about our customers and making sure they have access to the newest products on the market.
Since when is making sure customers have access to the newest products on the market the responsibility of Microsoft? Or any other company? Microsoft's responsibility is to make a profit for their share holders. Period.
Yeah, I wish all companies would take up the business model of caring fuck all if their customers could access their product. Supermarkets should be built exclusively at the tops of really tall trees! Ever played "the floor is lava?" Well now at the Home Depot, you can relive the memories, this time for real!
QuoteSince when is making sure customers have access to the newest products on the market the responsibility of Microsoft? Or any other company? Microsoft's responsibility is to make a profit for their share holders. Period.
Well, judging by the reactions so far, that might be something they're not really going to do either.
Quote from: "Johan"Quote from: "Shiranu"Oh... right. So if you come from one of the many countries that has poor internet access or none at all... go fuck yourself and enjoy last generation consoles; we don't give a fuck about our customers and making sure they have access to the newest products on the market.
Since when is making sure customers have access to the newest products on the market the responsibility of Microsoft? Or any other company? Microsoft's responsibility is to make a profit for their share holders. Period.
Just because you make money off them doesn't make Microsoft any less evil.
Quote from: "Johan"Quote from: "Shiranu"Oh... right. So if you come from one of the many countries that has poor internet access or none at all... go fuck yourself and enjoy last generation consoles; we don't give a fuck about our customers and making sure they have access to the newest products on the market.
Since when is making sure customers have access to the newest products on the market the responsibility of Microsoft? Or any other company? Microsoft's responsibility is to make a profit for their share holders. Period.
You just answered your own question.
It is their place to MAKE A PROFIT. When you tell the market to go screw itself... well, that isn't a great way to guarantee a profit.
I'm not buying the Xbox One, and I hope more people will join in on a boycott. Maybe if we all email Prominent gamers they'll join in two. Game Informers Staff, YouTube LPer's, etc...
Quote from: "Plu"QuoteSince when is making sure customers have access to the newest products on the market the responsibility of Microsoft? Or any other company? Microsoft's responsibility is to make a profit for their share holders. Period.
Well, judging by the reactions so far, that might be something they're not really going to do either.
Microsoft didn't get to be Microsoft by accident. I'm not saying this won't turn out to be a failure. But I am saying they don't make these sorts of decisions willy nilly. Obviously they feel there are enough people who have the required broadband access/won't care about the broadband access requirement to make the product profitable. I don't have a dog in this race so I couldn't care less. But my point remains the same. Making their product accessible/compatible enough to reach as many people as possible is only a priority if reaching as many people as possible is a requirement for maximum profitability in their particular business model.
Apple is prime example of a company that has been very profitable over the years without tailoring their product line so as to make it as accessible as possible to as many people as possible. In fact, on several occasions, Apple has been profitable while not making their product line as accessible as possible to their own existing and loyal user base. IOW, more than once over the years Apple has more or less said to their own loyal customers 'yeah we know you all wanted us to do this or that, but we're not going to do that and every one of you is pretty much fucked unless you spend another $1500 on our new product. Fuck you, have a nice day.' And what'd ya know? They still made record profits. Can Microsoft do the same? I don't know. But given their track record, I wouldn't write them off just yet.
QuoteMicrosoft didn't get to be Microsoft by accident. I'm not saying this won't turn out to be a failure. But I am saying they don't make these sorts of decisions willy nilly.
Microsoft was also owned by Bill Gates, not the new crew, when their best products came out.
I like to imagine everything Microsoft has done since Bill Gates left is like an angry teenager hurting themselves to win back their girlfriend.
"Bill, if you don't come back, I'm going to gouge out my own Windows!"
"That's nice."
"I WARNED YOU" -stabs self-
"Holy shit you are a crazy person"
"I'M GONNA CUT OFF MY OWN X-BOX IF YOU DON'T COME BACK"
"Wait, just-"
"AAAIIIIGHH"
"Mother of god"
Quote from: "Shiranu"Microsoft was also owned by Bill Gates, not the new crew, when their best products came out.
Well technically, Microsoft hasn't been 'owned' by Bill Gates for a very long time. And even before he stepped down, he vetted and groomed quite a team to take his place. Again, I'm not saying this won't be a failure, I have no idea. But IMHO I think Bill left his company much better prepared to carry on without him than Steve left his. Just my opinion. Time will tell.
Maybe I missed it in this thread but have you guys/gals seen the controversy over the leaked USED game policy? It's been divulged that once a game is purchased and registered by a user it cannot be re-used by another user. I've heard that means no longer borrowing out games, trading them in, selling them, etc. They may have back-tracked some and for a re-registration or re-liscensing FEE you could do those things.
This was the word b4 the e3 press release and since then this issue has become even more convoluted, at least from what I've read. Hopefully this entire issue goes away and the way its always been done remains.
Quote from: "Farroc"I'm not buying the Xbox One, and I hope more people will join in on a boycott.
I wouldn't call it a boycott. A boycott is when you go without something you want or need to make a political statement. The Xbone is slightly less desirable than the Casio Loopy.
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Quote from: "Johan"Quote from: "Plu"QuoteSince when is making sure customers have access to the newest products on the market the responsibility of Microsoft? Or any other company? Microsoft's responsibility is to make a profit for their share holders. Period.
Well, judging by the reactions so far, that might be something they're not really going to do either.
Microsoft didn't get to be Microsoft by accident. I'm not saying this won't turn out to be a failure. But I am saying they don't make these sorts of decisions willy nilly. Obviously they feel there are enough people who have the required broadband access/won't care about the broadband access requirement to make the product profitable. I don't have a dog in this race so I couldn't care less. But my point remains the same. Making their product accessible/compatible enough to reach as many people as possible is only a priority if reaching as many people as possible is a requirement for maximum profitability in their particular business model.
Apple is prime example of a company that has been very profitable over the years without tailoring their product line so as to make it as accessible as possible to as many people as possible. In fact, on several occasions, Apple has been profitable while not making their product line as accessible as possible to their own existing and loyal user base. IOW, more than once over the years Apple has more or less said to their own loyal customers 'yeah we know you all wanted us to do this or that, but we're not going to do that and every one of you is pretty much fucked unless you spend another $1500 on our new product. Fuck you, have a nice day.' And what'd ya know? They still made record profits. Can Microsoft do the same? I don't know. But given their track record, I wouldn't write them off just yet.
I kinda expect people to still buy the xbox, even though it's really only designed to fuck them up the ass with a rusty spike. Because people are stupid. Your apple example only goes to prove that.
Quote from: "bericks999"Maybe I missed it in this thread but have you guys/gals seen the controversy over the leaked USED game policy? It's been divulged that once a game is purchased and registered by a user it cannot be re-used by another user. I've heard that means no longer borrowing out games, trading them in, selling them, etc. They may have back-tracked some and for a re-registration or re-liscensing FEE you could do those things.
Afaik, you can "share" games on XVCR, but the person you're sharing games with has to pay a fee. You can "share" games with your "family" (up to 10 users you've granted access to your library), but only you and one additional user can play any of your games at any one time.
And for your enjoyment/annoyance, here's a couple deeply ironic articles from the XVCR camp:
Forbes article (//http://www.forbes.com/sites/nigamarora/2013/05/22/eight-reasons-to-buy-microsofts-new-xbox-one/)
(to which I twirl my finger and point out that specs don't matter (//http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/why-console-specs-dont-matter) as much as people believe they do - if it did console gaming would've died long ago)
5 (terrible) reasons to buy the xbox one (//http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/ps4-vs-xbox-one-5-reasons-to-buy-the-xbox-one/) (Yes, yes, by all means, tell me about your persistent worlds. Sounds like cutting edge stuff. *tries to keep a straight face* And yes, I'm sure you guys love your exclusives. Like Minecraft. *tries to keep a straight face but busts out laughing*)
Quote from: "Hydra009"And for your enjoyment/annoyance, here's a couple deeply ironic articles from the XVCR camp:
Forbes article (//http://www.forbes.com/sites/nigamarora/2013/05/22/eight-reasons-to-buy-microsofts-new-xbox-one/)
(to which I twirl my finger and point out that specs don't matter (//http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/why-console-specs-dont-matter) as much as people believe they do - if it did console gaming would've died long ago)
5 (terrible) reasons to buy the xbox one (//http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/ps4-vs-xbox-one-5-reasons-to-buy-the-xbox-one/) (Yes, yes, by all means, tell me about your persistent worlds. Sounds like cutting edge stuff. *tries to keep a straight face* And yes, I'm sure you guys love your exclusives. Like Minecraft. *tries to keep a straight face but busts out laughing*)
Quote from: "from the article"The complaint that gamers can't share games by toting a game disc to a friend's house misses the point. With the Xbox One, there will be no reason for that to ever happen. You can either log in to your friend's console with your account, thus giving you access to your games, or you can share your game library (//http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/microsoft-defends-the-xbox-ones-licensing-used-game-policies/) using the Xbox One's built-in share feature. Your friend can then play your games as long as you keep them on your share list, and the only restriction is that you can't both play the same game at the same time.
What a shitty dodge - not to mention logging in on another machine (I don't care if it is
just a console) that someone else owns is VERY stupid and a security gap; and that this guy suggest doing that just shows that Micro$hit pundits are grasping at straws here.
Quote from: "Johan"Quote from: "Shiranu"Microsoft was also owned by Bill Gates, not the new crew, when their best products came out.
Well technically, Microsoft hasn't been 'owned' by Bill Gates for a very long time. And even before he stepped down, he vetted and groomed quite a team to take his place. Again, I'm not saying this won't be a failure, I have no idea. But IMHO I think Bill left his company much better prepared to carry on without him than Steve left his. Just my opinion. Time will tell.
In all fairness, Steve Jobs leaving was voluntary in neither case.
Quote from: "_Xenu_"In all fairness, Steve Jobs leaving was voluntary in neither case.
Good point. Of course if we really wanted to get nit picky about it, one could argue that Steve's final exit was at least somewhat voluntary. If he had opted to take the advice he was given when his cancer was first diagnosed, he would very likely still be able and will today.
Bad news, I think. This thing looks like it may entice some to get an Xbone. What do you think?
[youtube:39ji95ov]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGcAkK5h9fo[/youtube:39ji95ov]
Quote from: "Johan"Quote from: "_Xenu_"In all fairness, Steve Jobs leaving was voluntary in neither case.
Good point. Of course if we really wanted to get nit picky about it, one could argue that Steve's final exit was at least somewhat voluntary. If he had opted to take the advice he was given when his cancer was first diagnosed, he would very likely still be able and will today.
True enough. He relied on new age bullshit instead of proper medical treatment, but any way you look at it, Gates had time to cultivate talent at his own pace. Yet, who did Microsoft end up with? Balmer. Also, remember that Jobs had to come in and rebuild Apple from pretty much nothing then died in the prime of his life.
Quote from: "the_antithesis"Bad news, I think. This thing looks like it may entice some to get an Xbone. What do you think?
Writer posted a YouTube video (//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGcAkK5h9fo)
Sort of gimmicky, but possibly an easier and more intuitive way of worldbuilding. We'll have to wait and see if it lives up to the ad, though.
Quote from: "the_antithesis"Bad news, I think. This thing looks like it may entice some to get an Xbone. What do you think?
Writer posted a YouTube video (//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGcAkK5h9fo)
It's Xbox's equivalent of "Little Big Planet", big whoop.
If people decide to get an XB1 for a game, fine. That is a total waste of money imo, but it's their dough and not mine so...
//http://www.xboxshun.com/
There's already a good boycott site. Hope you guys will join it. They already have nearly four thousand signatures.
Quote from: "Farroc"//http://www.xboxshun.com/
There's already a good boycott site. Hope you guys will join it. They already have nearly four thousand signatures.
There is no such thing as bad press. Sites like that think they're doing harm to the product sales when in fact they generally do the exact opposite.
Quote from: "Johan"Quote from: "Farroc"//http://www.xboxshun.com/
There's already a good boycott site. Hope you guys will join it. They already have nearly four thousand signatures.
There is no such thing as bad press. Sites like that think they're doing harm to the product sales when in fact they generally do the exact opposite.
I completely disagree. It doesn't matter how much press Microsoft gets, if nobody buys their stuff they won't make a profit. Microsoft's stock has already gone down and everybody I know had said they're not buying an Xbox One. There's no way Microsoft can succeed with the new Xbox.
Quote from: "Farroc"Quote from: "Johan"Quote from: "Farroc"//http://www.xboxshun.com/
There's already a good boycott site. Hope you guys will join it. They already have nearly four thousand signatures.
There is no such thing as bad press. Sites like that think they're doing harm to the product sales when in fact they generally do the exact opposite.
I completely disagree. It doesn't matter how much press Microsoft gets, if nobody buys their stuff they won't make a profit. Microsoft's stock has already gone down and everybody I know had said they're not buying an Xbox One. There's no way Microsoft can succeed with the new Xbox.
This.
I cant think of a single person I have met who has saw all this and said, "Wow! I really want an Xbox now!". Only one person I know is buying one (and one for his girlfriend), and that is because he is a HARDCORE Microsoft/Halo fanboy.
Quote from: "Johan"Quote from: "Farroc"//http://www.xboxshun.com/
There's already a good boycott site. Hope you guys will join it. They already have nearly four thousand signatures.
There is no such thing as bad press. Sites like that think they're doing harm to the product sales when in fact they generally do the exact opposite.
There's something I've been wondering: Are you an owner of MSFT stock?
Quote from: "_Xenu_"There's something I've been wondering: Are you an owner of MSFT stock?
Nope. Like I said earlier, I don't have a dog in this race.
I'm just going with the odds. Every time a tech company introduces a new generation of some product which has some change that hard core fans decide they don't like, the 'net runs amuck with 'this thing is going to fail on day one' type posts. And more often than not, the product does as the company expected or better. I've seen it time and time and time again. I could be wrong and if I am, I give you all permission to gloat with reckless abandon.
But I still stand by what I said about no such thing as bad press. With extremely rare exception, the more people talk about a product, even if they're saying bad things, the more sales will result.
But never before have the changes been this bad, and, as far as I know, there's never been a boycott website with thousands of signatures. Besides, the current evidence speaks for itself. Ps4 pre-orders outnumber xb1 pre-orders 3 to 2.
Quote from: "Johan"Microsoft didn't get to be Microsoft by accident.
Actually, they kinda did. They just happened to be providing the OS for IBM PCs when they took off. Then the need for backward compatibility ensured that they would dominate the OS market. This makes it particularly ironic that the XBone doesn't offer backward compatibility.
The boycott website makes me laugh. A lot.
Quote from: "pato15"Quote from: "Johan"Microsoft didn't get to be Microsoft by accident.
Actually, they kinda did. They just happened to be providing the OS for IBM PCs when they took off. Then the need for backward compatibility ensured that they would dominate the OS market. This makes it particularly ironic that the XBone doesn't offer backward compatibility.
They also licensed the software to IBM rather than selling it to them outright as was the common model up until that point. Like I said, no accident.
This is such a weird thread. Some of you seem awfully invested in an crap item that you will not buy. :-k
We get it, the Xbox1 is crap. We all agree. Microsoft shot itself in the foot, but not in the head. It has many other NON crappy products, and will continue on as a company, hopefully learning from this stupid mistake.
Somehow, I doubt this topic will die so easily though.....
I don't understand what your problem is Johan. The new Xbox is completely anti-consumerist and unfair, and some of us are trying to do something about it. Not all of us have internet, or feel comfortable paying 60$ for a game we won't own. We're not doing this because we're afraid of change, we're doing this because Microsoft turning into a bunch money-hungry corporate asses.
Quote from: "Johan"They also licensed the software to IBM rather than selling it to them outright as was the common model up until that point. Like I said, no accident.
They "sold" IBM vaporware, then went out, bought a third rate OS and slapped their logo on it. MS-DOS was a joke, even for its time. In the beginning, it didn't even have folders. And it never gained any sort of native hardware support, forcing individual developers to write their own device drivers. If UNIX hadn't been in a state of legal flux at the time, MS would have been deservedly wiped out.
Quote from: "Aroura33"This is such a weird thread. Some of you seem awfully invested in an crap item that you will not buy. :-k
We get it, the Xbox1 is crap. We all agree. Microsoft shot itself in the foot, but not in the head. It has many other NON crappy products, and will continue on as a company, hopefully learning from this stupid mistake.
Somehow, I doubt this topic will die so easily though.....
This reason we're doing this, instead of simply not buying the Xbox One for ourselves, is because the xb1 is just the beginning. Do you think the reason Sony hasn't implemented as many DRM policies as Microsoft is because Sony cares about how gamers feel? No. They're just as evil and greedy as those bastards at Microsoft. The reason Sony hasn't done the same things as Microsoft is because they knew something like this would happen, and they would loose money. But if we stop protesting and leave the issue alone, Microsoft will profit from the xb1, and it won't be long before Sony and Nintendo follow. And then we'll be left with nothing.
That, is why we're so "invested" in this.
Quote from: "Farroc"Do you think the reason Sony hasn't implemented as many DRM policies as Microsoft is because Sony cares about how gamers feel?.
Nobody cares how gamers feel. Gamers are a bunch of whiny cunts.
I have no idea why everyone is being so hostile about this. Especially you Antithesis. I hope you're just in a bad mood.
Quote from: "the_antithesis"Quote from: "Farroc"Do you think the reason Sony hasn't implemented as many DRM policies as Microsoft is because Sony cares about how gamers feel?.
Nobody cares how gamers feel. Gamers are a bunch of whiny cunts.
You care about how someone feels if you expect to dominate a market of those people.
Quote from: "Farroc"I have no idea why everyone is being so hostile about this. Especially you Antithesis. I hope you're just in a bad mood.
Is he ever in a good mood?
Quote from: "_Xenu_"Is he ever in a good mood?
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Quote from: "Shiranu"You care about how someone feels if you expect to dominate a market of those people.
I'm not sure is gamers have shown this to be true. IIRC, gamers tend to complain and then buy it anyway.
Quote from: "the_antithesis"Quote from: "Shiranu"You care about how someone feels if you expect to dominate a market of those people.
I'm not sure is gamers have shown this to be true. IIRC, gamers tend to complain and then buy it anyway.
That's what we're trying to stop from happening.
Quote from: "the_antithesis"Quote from: "Shiranu"You care about how someone feels if you expect to dominate a market of those people.
I'm not sure is gamers have shown this to be true. IIRC, gamers tend to complain and then buy it anyway.
While I think there is certainly... very poor consumer choices from gamers.... I think at the same time you can only screw someone over, no matter how stupid of spender they are, for so long or so much before they decide not to buy your product. For so many gamers, used games is a make or break deal; we simply don't have the money to drop $60 a pop every time. That is an actual issue, as opposed to the small issues that tend to get blown out of proportions.
Quote from: "the_antithesis"Quote from: "_Xenu_"Is he ever in a good mood?
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At least you're honest, you cynical old man.
Quote from: "Farroc"I don't understand what your problem is Johan. The new Xbox is completely anti-consumerist and unfair, and some of us are trying to do something about it. Not all of us have internet...
We don't like this because it requires internet and not all of us have internet. But what can we do? I know, lets build a boycott website. Hilarious. Just hilarious.
Quotewe're doing this because Microsoft turning into a bunch money-hungry corporate asses.
There are no words to describe how funny that sentence is.
QuoteWe don't like this because it requires internet and not all of us have internet.
That is a minor issue for Americans, but for most of the world that is a huge issue (Including again, 3 huge markets... Pakistan, India and Latin America).
The main issues Americans are protesting is the used game policies and the fact that Microsoft is telling consumers to go fuck themselves.
QuoteThere are no words to describe how funny that sentence is.
How? Microsoft use to have integrity, now it doesn't. Alot of corporations take pride in their work if that is what you are implying. Just because your bottom line is money doesn't mean you don't take pride in your work.
Quote from: "Johan"Quote from: "Farroc"I don't understand what your problem is Johan. The new Xbox is completely anti-consumerist and unfair, and some of us are trying to do something about it. Not all of us have internet...
We don't like this because it requires internet and not all of us have internet. But what can we do? I know, lets build a boycott website. Hilarious. Just hilarious.
I don't see what's so hilarious about people in countries with no internet access not being able to get the latest games they cherish.And you forgot to mention the fact that we would no longer own the games that we paid 60$ for. I know this is meaningless to you, but some people take this very seriously and all I'm asking is that you at least respect that instead of mocking us. Also, if you expect me to return your hate and hostility you're going to be disappointed.
Quote from: "Shiranu"How? Microsoft use to have integrity, now it doesn't.
When was that?
Quote from: "Shiranu"You care about how someone feels if you expect to dominate a market of those people.
Which makes me wonder if they've ntending this product to appeal to some market other than hard core gamers.
Quote from: "Farroc"I don't see what's so hilarious about people in countries with no internet access not being able to get the latest games they cherish.
You don't see what's funny about a boycott website for a product because people can't use it if they don't have internet?
QuoteAnd you forgot to mention the fact that we would no longer own the games that we paid 60$ for.
Ever buy music from itunes? Think you own it? Does Apple seem worried about losing sales?
Quote from: "Shiranu"How? Microsoft use to have integrity,
When?
Quote from: "Johan"Quote from: "Farroc"I don't see what's so hilarious about people in countries with no internet access not being able to get the latest games they cherish.
You don't see what's funny about a boycott website for a product because people can't use it if they don't have internet?
QuoteAnd you forgot to mention the fact that we would no longer own the games that we paid 60$ for.
Ever buy music from itunes? Think you own it? Does Apple seem worried about losing sales?
I've never seen a song that has cost over 50$.
Quote from: "Farroc"I've never seen a song that has cost over 50$.
Box sets are often over $50.
Yes, but you get multiple songs. If you were to buy a "Box Set" of videogames it would costs hundreds of dollars.
Apples to oranges. Doesn't matter though. I'm pretty sure the people who don't care are going to far outnumber the people who do.
I am reminded of the Star Wars special editions. There's a small group who care and prefer the originals. But most people don't. Nerd rage is impotent, I have learned. And soon you will too.
And that's why the website is up. To attempt to change that. What puzzles me though, is why they added all of this DRM stuff. Money is obviously their only goal, but what do they stand to gain that Sony doesn't? Maybe they're all just really, really stupid. Really, really stupid Billionaires. :-?
Quote from: "Farroc"And that's why the website is up. To attempt to change that.
Good luck with that.
That occupy Wall Street thing came across as a bunch of whiny kids. What chance does a movement against a video game console have. "Wah. I don't want to buy you're expensive electronics." I just can't see that being taken seriously. Nor do I see it even having much impact on Microsoft because some people just like the bland world of Halo too much.
Wow. That is an absolutely horrible attitude. No protest would ever succeed if people thought like that.
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Yep, just as I suspected. There are far more TV watchers than there are gamers out there. Microsoft isn't trying to make a game console that also does media server stuff. They're trying to make media server that also plays games.
I said earlier that I don't have a dog in this race and that was absolutely true. But now that I see the specs on this thing, I'm thinking this could be our next media box. I couldn't care less about games. But a single box that does Roku/Hulu/Amazon on-demand type stuff, accesses media on the local network, and does it via voice commands and has an HDMI pass thru so my wife NEVER has to mess with figuring out how to switch inputs on the TV? Sign me up.
Unless Roku or someone else hits the market in the next 4 months with a box that does voice commands and negates ever having to switch TV inputs, I think Microsoft is going to sell quite a few of these.
Quote from: "Farroc"Wow. That is an absolutely horrible attitude. No protest would ever succeed if people thought like that.
It may be a horrible attitude, but its absolutely correct. Occupy Wall Street accomplished nothing other than keeping the local pot dealers and djembe salesmen in business. There are situations where protests are appropriate and might actually bring about change. And then there are situations where protests do nothing. Its important to know the difference.
The laws of supply and demand dictate product development choices. If there is a market for gamers who don't have internet access, someone will sell a product to serve that market. If there is a market for gamers who will only spend money on games they can own and resell, then someone serve it. No protests required.
I wish I had $500 to spend on a glorified vcr...
To each their own. To me, it just seems like spending 50,000 on a Honda Civic with shiny rims, a big spoiler, theatre-grade surround sound, a disco ball and a rear-view camera instead of 40,000 on a BMW without all the bells-and-whistles but the better car inside and out.
This is why I just plain don't like the Human race in general.
Quote from: "Shiranu"I wish I had $500 to spend on a glorified vcr...
Oh cry me a river.
QuoteTo each their own. To me, it just seems like spending 50,000 on a Honda Civic with shiny rims, a big spoiler, theatre-grade surround sound, a disco ball and a rear-view camera instead of 40,000 on a BMW without all the bells-and-whistles but the better car inside and out.
The last vehicle we purchased was $100 ($7000 with an even trade for another vehicle). The one before that was $12000. Perhaps if you spent less on your automotive budget you'd be able to buy a glorified VCR. I'm just sayin'.
Quote from: "Farroc"This is why I just plain don't like the Human race in general.
I don't make the rules, I just play by them. You'll find its easier to get what you want that way.
Quote from: "Aroura33"This is such a weird thread. Some of you seem awfully invested in an crap item that you will not buy. :-k
Heh. Maybe you're right. I suppose I could get back to harshly criticizing a religion I don't practice. :P
QuoteWe get it, the Xbox1 is crap. We all agree. Microsoft shot itself in the foot, but not in the head. It has many other NON crappy products, and will continue on as a company, hopefully learning from this stupid mistake.
Oh yeah, MS is still in the game, but man was this a HUGE blunder. Like the PSP Squirrels times We're Doing It Live. Schadenfreude everywhere.
I guess my main interest is that I've noticed in the gaming community is a lot of really crappy corporate practices gain something of foothold in recent years. And MS has some of gamers' biggest gripes front and center. And rather than customers embracing this as "normal", they're infuriated. And the ensuing backlash has already destroyed the console's reputation and might end up costing MS big time. It is glorious.
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I think the backlash from the Xbox1 has already been large enough to hurt its sales. Not eradicate it, mind you, but to make it less than ideal for other companies to copy the errors that are pissing off so many gamers and other potential buyers. More than the internet thing, the no-resale of old games thing seems to be what most people are cacked over. And I agree! It's lame and stupid and beyond greedy to kill the resale of old games.
However, Xbox has almost always been a glorified VCR (DVD player) as far as I know. We own an Xbox 360 (will not be "upgrading", obviously), but already mainly use it to interface to Netflix, hulu, etc. The ONLY gaming we have done on it, as far as I know, is with the Kinect. And I do not regret that purchase at ALL. My daughter and I do dance games together at least twice a week, and she can spend HOURS exploring the world with her pet cats in Kinectimals. Those 2 games alone make it worth owning the Xbox and the Kinect. At her birthday party, we got out a free Kinect game called "Happy Fun Theater" or something like that. No limit to players, interactive changing environments. Kept a whole party of 6 to 8 year olds thrilled and active for an hour!
I just wanted to make a comparison of small markets. Kinect really is only aimed at a small market, it has issues that have raised many complaints (camera in your house connected to the internet...creepy? We just turn it off and put a little cover on it when we aren't using it), and extremely limited games. But I do not regret buying it, not for a minute. It has been worth every penny we paid for it.
Also, I love our Xbox as a "glorified VCR" (DvD player would be better comparison). Seriously, it already has voice commands for us since we have the connect, and to be able to do just about anything I want without a remote is DAMN nice. Voice and visual commands...I'm already living in the future. Then again, It was not $500, it was just under $400 WITH the Kinnect, so big price difference.
Anyway, just sort of rambled there, sorry. I tend to get this way at 1am!! Bed time. :rolleyes:
Lol, I don't care much for the console wars. Last console I owned was the SNES, never bought the N64 or whatever came after the SNES, which according to Wikipedia is the 4th generation consoles. We're now up to 8th generation. If I would buy a console, it would be one from Nintendo, but I doubt I ever will, after going from SNES to PC gaming. WASD & mouse for life.
Quote from: "Johan"Perhaps if you spent less on your automotive budget you'd be able to buy a glorified VCR. I'm just sayin'.
Because Shiranu was definitely being literal. What the hell has become of this thread? You all realize you sound like shitheads, right? And I know for a fact that a few of you aren't.
All you whining people should buy an Ouya, if you really want something that's made for the gamers and not to line the pockets of big corporation owners and their shareholders.
But you won't, because you want games with lots of shiny, and you don't care about anything else yourselves either :)
At least the Xbone uses Windows 7. (//http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-One-Games-E3-We%C2%ADre-Running-Windows-7-With-Nvid%C2%ADia-GTX-Cards-56737.html)
Quote from: "the_antithesis"At least the Xbone uses Windows 7. (//http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-One-Games-E3-We%C2%ADre-Running-Windows-7-With-Nvid%C2%ADia-GTX-Cards-56737.html)
Of course they used Windows 7 PCs... Xbox's have the highest crash rate out of all the consoles buy a HUGE margin, and you couldn't have that happening at E3... making you look even worse...
Except it still crashed. Lawlz.
Quote from: "Plu"All you whining people should buy an Ouya, if you really want something that's made for the gamers and not to line the pockets of big corporation owners and their shareholders.
But you won't, because you want games with lots of shiny, and you don't care about anything else yourselves either :)
Will the Ouya come with Destiny, Netflix & FIFA? If not, I am not interested in it as my main game console. I rather play games I enjoy.
And there we go :) You will gladly be raped up the butt by big companies because you like the big shinies that only a big company can create.
(Actually I think the Ouya does Netflix, but I'm not sure)
Quote from: "Plu"(Actually I think the Ouya does Netflix, but I'm not sure)
Quick googling says, yes it does Netflix and Hulu and the like, or at least those apps were a-coming at the time of writing last month.
Quote from: "Plu"And there we go :) You will gladly be raped up the butt by big companies because you like the big shinies that only a big company can create.
(Actually I think the Ouya does Netflix, but I'm not sure)
I didn't realize the best soccer sim on the market counted as "big shiny", or for that matter games that I enjoy playing.
Quote from: "Shiranu"I didn't realize the best soccer sim on the market counted as "big shiny", or for that matter games that I enjoy playing.
I don't follow sports so I wouldn't be inclined to know what makes a good soccer game. But two facts:
One, the Ouya already has a soccer game. Whether it's any good or not, I couldn't say. I have no yardstick for that. But it may be a good game it its own right if not necessarily "the best soccer sim on the market."
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Two, your problem is less with Microsoft and the Xbone and more with the developers who are making exclusive content for the Xbone. Sounds like they're the ones you need to talk to. Or to get other developers to make games as good as those other guys.
QuoteI didn't realize the best soccer sim on the market counted as "big shiny", or for that matter games that I enjoy playing.
I'll not even go into fifa, but yeah the games you mentioned? Big budget games, made by big corporations. Which generally only give a damn about the bottom line and nothing else, because that's what they're for.
QuoteTwo, your problem is less with Microsoft and the Xbone and more with the developers who are making exclusive content for the Xbone. Sounds like they're the ones you need to talk to. Or to get other developers to make games as good as those other guys.
?
I only like one exclusive for Xbox, and that series died after the 3rd (Halo). Titanfall will most likely be coming to PS4, so I don't consider that one an exclusive (though it is considered one atm).
PS4 on the other hand has Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts and Indie game makers. I have no problem with the XB1 developers because they don't have any good exclusive games (besides Forza).
QuoteI'll not even go into fifa, but yeah the games you mentioned? Big budget games, made by big corporations. Which generally only give a damn about the bottom line and nothing else, because that's what they're for.
I really could care less what the manufactures intentions are so long as they make a good product. FIFA? Fun, regardless of EA being soulless bastards. Destiny? Looks amazingly fun, like a mix of Halo + Borderlands + Mass Effect... and is made by Bungie, who is known for their product quality. Battlefield? Amazingly fun again. The problem with XB1 is they have neither good intentions NOR a good product, and that is what people are complaining about. You can get away with being greedy fucks if your product doesn't suck, but Microsoft is presenting a shitty product AND not even trying to play good PR with it.
And what about games like Journey, which is a PS4 exclusive? A little indie game that is more about art and experience than actual game. That is one of the biggest reasons I want to get a PS3, but I figure it will be available to download of PS4 as well. Along with this Indie gamers have been jumping the Microsoft ship and moving over to the PS4 because Sony actually gives a shit about them and promotes their work.
Just because a game is big budget does not make it a terrible game, no more than a game being indie makes it a good game. I have downloaded plenty of indie games that simply are not fun. As a real gamer, that is my ultimate goal: Is this game fun? Will the system allow me to do what I want with my games? I don't know the games on the Ouya to know this, and I am not going to have me and my friends gamble on a console that we might not even enjoy.
Honestly, the always online and stuff like that was not even a big deal with me until Microsoft told people to go fuck themselves, but still buy our older stuff because we want you to drop money on us. And the used game and borrowed game restrictions are a deal breaker; I buy almost all my games used, and if you are going to start putting restrictions on that then you can go fuck yourself.
Quote from: "Shiranu"I really could care less what the manufactures intentions are so long as they make a good product. FIFA? Fun, regardless of EA being soulless bastards. Destiny? Looks amazingly fun, like a mix of Halo + Borderlands + Mass Effect... and is made by Bungie, who is known for their product quality. Battlefield? Amazingly fun again. The problem with XB1 is they have neither good intentions NOR a good product, and that is what people are complaining about. You can get away with being greedy fucks if your product doesn't suck, but Microsoft is presenting a shitty product AND not even trying to play good PR with it.
QFT.
Destiny looks great. I'll probably get it when it gets ported to the PC.
QuoteAnd what about games like Journey, which is a PS4 exclusive? A little indie game that is more about art and experience than actual game.
It's actually interesting to see Indie games outside of the PC medium to be honest. I had no idea it was even a console game.
In the end though, people will keep buying the Xbox for the very reason you mention. It will have games, it will bring them enjoyment, and that's really all that matters.
Quote from: "missingnocchi"Quote from: "Johan"Perhaps if you spent less on your automotive budget you'd be able to buy a glorified VCR. I'm just sayin'.
Because Shiranu was definitely being literal. What the hell has become of this thread? You all realize you sound like shitheads, right? And I know for a fact that a few of you aren't.
And what makes you think I was being literal?
Quote from: "Johan"Quote from: "missingnocchi"Quote from: "Johan"Perhaps if you spent less on your automotive budget you'd be able to buy a glorified VCR. I'm just sayin'.
Because Shiranu was definitely being literal. What the hell has become of this thread? You all realize you sound like shitheads, right? And I know for a fact that a few of you aren't.
And what makes you think I was being literal?
If you weren't, then I really don't understand your metaphor.
I'll just leave this here :P
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So the stupid boycott website isn't going to make a difference huh?
WELL SUCK ON THIS://http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update
QuoteLast week at E3, the excitement, creativity and future of our industry was on display for a global audience.
For us, the future comes in the form of Xbox One, a system designed to be the best place to play games this year and for many years to come. As is our heritage with Xbox, we designed a system that could take full advantage of advances in technology in order to deliver a breakthrough in game play and entertainment. We imagined a new set of benefits such as easier roaming, family sharing, and new ways to try and buy games. We believe in the benefits of a connected, digital future.
Since unveiling our plans for Xbox One, my team and I have heard directly from many of you, read your comments and listened to your feedback. I would like to take the opportunity today to thank you for your assistance in helping us to reshape the future of Xbox One.
You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world.
So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:
An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games – After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.
Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.
In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console -- there will be no regional restrictions.
These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.
We appreciate your passion, support and willingness to challenge the assumptions of digital licensing and connectivity. While we believe that the majority of people will play games online and access the cloud for both games and entertainment, we will give consumers the choice of both physical and digital content. We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds.
Thank you again for your candid feedback. Our team remains committed to listening, taking feedback and delivering a great product for you later this year.
Whatdoya have to say to THAT!?!
I'm sorry if I come across as angry. I'm not at all angry or resentful toward you guys. I'm just
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Quote from: "Farroc"Whatdoya have to say to THAT!?!
I didn't see any stupid boycott website specifically mentioned. I'm just sayin.
QuoteI didn't see any stupid boycott website specifically mentioned. I'm just sayin.
It wasn't the boycott website in specific, it was people that spoke out against Microsoft just like the website. In the last 3 or 4 pages everybody was saying how it wouldn't make a difference and laughing at people who protested the new changes. They're just like the people who laughed at the Vietnam war protesters or the slavery abolitionists. I'm sorry if I come across as gloating, but it's just really satisfying when everybody is speaking out against and saying you aren't going to succeed, and then you do. I literally got up and did a victory dance when I heard the news.
You might want to wait until the box actually comes out and the game developers actually release titles for it before you do that victory dance.
Heard they are renaming the xbox one to the xbox 180 to represent the about face M$ did on their draconian DRM.
Quote from: "Johan"You might want to wait until the box actually comes out and the game developers actually release titles for it before you do that victory dance.
Why would developers not make titles for the Xbox One?
Its not that they won't make titles. But there's more way than one way to skin a cat and what Microsoft wants, Microsoft usually gets. So I wouldn't put it past them to go ok yeah sure, we'll let you play disc based titles just like you do now. And then they create a policy that makes it cost prohibitive for developers to release titles on disc thereby forcing developers to release most titles via 'net download only. Obviously I'm only speculating but its not a stretch to say that stranger things have happened. Put another way, I tend to be a I'll believe it when I see it type of guy.
That's understandable, but really I doubt any of the big titles will be download only. It may be bad for indie titles, but we'll just have to wait and see.
I am glad Microsoft is listeneing to the customer base. Hopefully, I won't see any more Memes on FB making fun of it now.