http://www.alternet.org/right-wing/noam-chomsky-it-fair-worry-about-trump-staging-false-flag-terrorist-attack
And then what happens becomes significant. In order to maintain his popularity, the Trump administration will have to try to find some means of rallying the support and changing the discourse from the policies that they are carrying out, which are basically a wrecking ball to something else. Maybe scapegoating, saying, "Well, I'm sorry, I can't bring your jobs back because these bad people are preventing it." And the typical scapegoating goes to vulnerable people: immigrants, terrorists, Muslims and elitists, whoever it may be. And that can turn out to be very ugly.
I think that we shouldn't put aside the possibility that there would be some kind of staged or alleged terrorist act, which can change the country instantly.
Much like Bush's WMD.
False flags ... going on since Roman times. LooK! Barbarians!
Right-wing morons made the same dire warnings, about Obama. Don't spread that kind of hype.
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Quote from: Solomon Zorn on April 01, 2017, 12:35:32 PM
Right-wing morons made the same dire warnings, about Obama. Don't spread that kind of hype.
Don't spread hope and change ;-(
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on April 01, 2017, 12:35:32 PM
Right-wing morons made the same dire warnings, about Obama. Don't spread that kind of hype.
Right wing morons said that Obama would likely or has done false flags, or that no victims die and it's all just a play, etc (it would make a lot more sense to me to just kill the people, so you have less people in the know that you want to stay quiet). Chomsky is merely taking the possibility into account. We talk about the possibility of an alien invasion happening on here, which is millions of times less likely to happen than a staged terrorist attack, and people get a pass for comparing Trump to Hitler (who carried out a false flag), but it's somehow wrong to take the possibility of a false flag into account even though it's happened over and over throughout history? Remaining vigilant is a good thing I think. I'd be saying the same whether it's Trump in office, Hillary, or even Bernie. No matter how unlikely you think it, it's happened plenty throughout history, and those who fail to remember history are doomed to repeat it. For the record, I assume everything that happened under Obama was genuine and I don't think he caused or knowingly let any attacks happen, and as far as Chomsky's warning goes, I think it would be even harder for Trump to pull staged attacks off what with the CIA/FBI/deep state being against him, so I don't see it happening.
Quote from: FaithIsFilth on April 02, 2017, 02:21:42 AM...and as far as Chomsky's warning goes, I think it would be even harder for Trump to pull staged attacks off what with the CIA/FBI/deep state being against him, so I don't see it happening.
Then why devote a thread to inflammatory innuendo?
There are more than enough things, that Trump and Congress are
actually doing, to keep us worried.
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on April 02, 2017, 04:42:30 AM
Then why devote a thread to inflammatory innuendo?
Noam Chomsky is one of the most respected names on the left, and I just thought it was really interesting that he said something like this when you just don't hear this from the left. Talk of a US president possibly carrying out staged attacks. I think it's newsworthy and probably a bit shocking to many liberals who deeply respect him, especially after how adamant Chomsky has been about 9/11 not being staged in any way or allowed to happen. I just wanted to see what people thought about what he had to say.
Quote from: FaithIsFilth on April 02, 2017, 02:21:42 AM
Right wing morons said that Obama would likely or has done false flags, or that no victims die and it's all just a play, etc (it would make a lot more sense to me to just kill the people, so you have less people in the know that you want to stay quiet). Chomsky is merely taking the possibility into account. We talk about the possibility of an alien invasion happening on here, which is millions of times less likely to happen than a staged terrorist attack, and people get a pass for comparing Trump to Hitler (who carried out a false flag), but it's somehow wrong to take the possibility of a false flag into account even though it's happened over and over throughout history? Remaining vigilant is a good thing I think. I'd be saying the same whether it's Trump in office, Hillary, or even Bernie. No matter how unlikely you think it, it's happened plenty throughout history, and those who fail to remember history are doomed to repeat it. For the record, I assume everything that happened under Obama was genuine and I don't think he caused or knowingly let any attacks happen, and as far as Chomsky's warning goes, I think it would be even harder for Trump to pull staged attacks off what with the CIA/FBI/deep state being against him, so I don't see it happening.
Third possibility ... staged attacks by people put up to do it, and it goes too far. The FBI has run numerous stings. What happens (see Boston Marathon) if it was a set up, but the people being set up are smarter than the FBI .. they only get caught after executing the plan, not while in the planning stage (as has happened many times)? I think that the people who were "supposedly killed" were ... our leaders are quite capable of pedophilia or cold blooded murder. I don't respect Chomsky, but good try. It is like asking Dr Hawking his opinion on religion. And I simply am gobsmacked that any skeptic could possibly believe that "drone them till they all die" Obama is a saint who would never pull wings off of flies. You can't be a leader, without being a sociopath. Studies have shown this.
Quote from: FaithIsFilth on April 02, 2017, 02:21:42 AM
Right wing morons said that Obama would likely or has done false flags, or that no victims die and it's all just a play, etc (it would make a lot more sense to me to just kill the people, so you have less people in the know that you want to stay quiet). Chomsky is merely taking the possibility into account. We talk about the possibility of an alien invasion happening on here, which is millions of times less likely to happen than a staged terrorist attack, and people get a pass for comparing Trump to Hitler (who carried out a false flag), but it's somehow wrong to take the possibility of a false flag into account even though it's happened over and over throughout history? Remaining vigilant is a good thing I think. I'd be saying the same whether it's Trump in office, Hillary, or even Bernie. No matter how unlikely you think it, it's happened plenty throughout history, and those who fail to remember history are doomed to repeat it. For the record, I assume everything that happened under Obama was genuine and I don't think he caused or knowingly let any attacks happen, and as far as Chomsky's warning goes, I think it would be even harder for Trump to pull staged attacks off what with the CIA/FBI/deep state being against him, so I don't see it happening.
I will join Chomsky in this. And I am actually surprised a little that it has not happened yet. I have a hard time keeping the Reichstag's Fire our of my head. I can easily see Chump using some pretext to declare martial law. It would be good business for he and his friends.
Quote from: Mike Cl on April 02, 2017, 09:53:50 AM
I will join Chomsky in this. And I am actually surprised a little that it has not happened yet. I have a hard time keeping the Reichstag's Fire our of my head. I can easily see Chump using some pretext to declare martial law. It would be good business for he and his friends.
Patriot Act = 2001
NDAA = 2014
We are under martial law in the US and Britain. Don't worry, the R-D party burns the Congress down, every time they get to work in the morning.
Quote from: Baruch on April 02, 2017, 09:57:29 AM
Patriot Act = 2001
NDAA = 2014
We are under martial law in the US and Britain. Don't worry, the R-D party burns the Congress down, every time they get to work in the morning.
Yes, we are--but Chump would like it to be even more locked-down.
I would also say that Obama's worst failure, in my eyes, was to brush aside anything to do with criminal charges against Bush and his administration. If 9/11 was not engineered by Cheney and Bush, Cheney at least knew how to take advantage of it. Patriot Act is just one example.
Quote from: Mike Cl on April 02, 2017, 09:59:41 AM
Yes, we are--but Chump would like it to be even more locked-down.
Every true blooded blue blooded Nazi would. Hope you enjoy eating Kraut ;-) Some of those Nazi babes are hot!
Quote from: Baruch on April 02, 2017, 10:03:26 AM
Every true blooded blue blooded Nazi would. Hope you enjoy eating Kraut ;-) Some of those Nazi babes are hot!
Reminds me of that Seinfeld episode.
An Orthodox rabbi in 1948 said, "the only thing worse than Goyim are Jewish goyim". But I am not Orthodox, so I am cool with that. Jewish Nazis would have been more successful than German Nazis ever could (sarc).
I think war with North Korea would be more effective for deflecting attention than a terrorist attack. It would also be incredibly stupid, so that's the option Trump will more likely take.
Quote from: Baruch on April 02, 2017, 10:03:26 AM
Every true blooded blue blooded Nazi would. Hope you enjoy eating Kraut ;-) Some of those Nazi babes are hot!
Reagan was a genial idiot who listened to his advisors. Bush Jr was a simple kind-hearted fool, Trump is a full-blown idiot. The complexities of the world are actually surprising to him. Yeah, I know, some presidents in the past have "grown into the job". But Trump doesn't have that time.
Kushner, Trump's son-in-law, is working for Bibi. As long as the Goyim are useful, Bibi will keep you alive. Syria and Iran have everything to do with Israel.