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Title: What about language imperialism?
Post by: Baruch on January 14, 2017, 02:56:45 PM
Why do Progressives want everyone to speak the same language?  Isn't that at least colonial, if not imperialist?  We are using English to post here ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njJBw2KlIEo

So here is a quick education about English language imperialism ... so Snowflakes, get out your hankies .... LOL
Title: Re: What about language imperialism?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 14, 2017, 03:22:32 PM
And the LittleEndians, what about them? Idiots!!!!
Title: Re: What about language imperialism?
Post by: Baruch on January 14, 2017, 04:57:10 PM
Language imperialism is active even in small countries ... Israel for instance.  The many Jewish people from many lands who have moved there since 1945 ... they had their own languages when they came, but thanks to public schooling, modern Hebrew is taught (and Palestinian Arabic) ... so those dialects disappear with each new generation.  Of course one could ask, like Native American languages what is the point of preserving a past culture, when we are all moving into some futuristic one-world cosmopolitanism (which conveniently for us is English-based, or in Israel, Hebrew-based).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FD-z3JCCzM ... in 4 parts ... I suspect Klingon will the the ultimate language ;-)

With each language goes a culture and a people ... some extinct, some nearly so (Arameans in Syrian and Assyrians in Iraq) ... once gone, gone forever ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST_tAduIhWc
Title: Re: What about language imperialism?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 14, 2017, 05:08:17 PM
It's a pity those languages are spoken elsewhere, like in the country the people came from.
Title: Re: What about language imperialism?
Post by: Baruch on January 14, 2017, 09:45:29 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 14, 2017, 05:08:17 PM
It's a pity those languages are spoken elsewhere, like in the country the people came from.

I am happy with my native language ... not being a language puritan.  English is pragmatic in this era, more so than French or other competitors.  Of course there would be fewer immigrants, if the US wasn't a bloodthirsty Hakkonen dukedom.
Title: Re: What about language imperialism?
Post by: Atheon on January 15, 2017, 01:52:42 AM
Quote from: Baruch on January 14, 2017, 02:56:45 PM
Why do Progressives want everyone to speak the same language?
Do they? I'm not sure what you mean. Could you provide some context?

I've always seen culturally enforcing one language while discouraging the use of other languages to be a conservative thing.
Title: Re: What about language imperialism?
Post by: drunkenshoe on January 15, 2017, 05:11:23 AM
There are no 'languages' before the modern state policies and standardised education. There are scattered vernaculars.

English is one the youngest one of the modern languages. Nobody have understood English in 17th century, let alone talking about a language in 4th or 5th centuries. Whatever existed is groups of various vernaculars which were very different from each other in various regions. There is no literacy, education, or mass communication, over all a culture accessible to people to create a language community as we understand today.





Title: Re: What about language imperialism?
Post by: Baruch on January 15, 2017, 08:31:44 AM
Quote from: Atheon on January 15, 2017, 01:52:42 AM
Do they? I'm not sure what you mean. Could you provide some context?

I've always seen culturally enforcing one language while discouraging the use of other languages to be a conservative thing.

You see all constraint as conservative.  But it was liberals who bombed Vietnam and Libya.  Those labels don't mean much.  To have a utopia ... it has diverse skin colors, correct?  But to achieve social goals, everyone has to have the same politics, and to have that, they have to have the same culture, and to have that, they all have to speak the one same language.  Liberals and conservatives both have social goals.  To what extent do we have to have uniformity, to have utopia?
Title: Re: What about language imperialism?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 15, 2017, 08:37:39 AM
Quote from: Baruch on January 14, 2017, 09:45:29 PM
I am happy with my native language ... not being a language puritan.  English is pragmatic in this era, more so than French or other competitors.  Of course there would be fewer immigrants, if the US wasn't a bloodthirsty Hakkonen dukedom.
"Harkonnen".
Title: Re: What about language imperialism?
Post by: Jason78 on January 15, 2017, 03:53:31 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 14, 2017, 02:56:45 PM
Why do Progressives want everyone to speak the same language?

Have you tried speaking Dutch?
Title: Re: What about language imperialism?
Post by: Mr.Obvious on January 15, 2017, 06:34:34 PM
Quote from: Jason78 on January 15, 2017, 03:53:31 PM
Have you tried speaking Dutch?

Ik kan even niet volgen. Is er iets mis met Nederlands misschien?
Ik vind Engels geweldig op zijn manier, die taal klinkt gewoon goed.
Maar Nederlands kan zo geweldig droog zijn. Oudere 'scifi' boeken uit het engels of frans vertaald naar Nederlands zijn gewoonweg hilarisch.
Title: Re: What about language imperialism?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 15, 2017, 08:01:50 PM
"God bless Google Translate and all who fail in her."
Title: Re: What about language imperialism?
Post by: Atheon on January 15, 2017, 08:41:28 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 15, 2017, 08:31:44 AM
You see all constraint as conservative.  But it was liberals who bombed Vietnam and Libya.  Those labels don't mean much.  To have a utopia ... it has diverse skin colors, correct?  But to achieve social goals, everyone has to have the same politics, and to have that, they have to have the same culture, and to have that, they all have to speak the one same language.  Liberals and conservatives both have social goals.  To what extent do we have to have uniformity, to have utopia?
That doesn't answer my question.
Title: Re: What about language imperialism?
Post by: Baruch on January 16, 2017, 12:42:27 AM
Quote from: Atheon on January 15, 2017, 08:41:28 PM
That doesn't answer my question.

Why would the one-world NWO want us to all speak the same language?  Efficiency.  Easier to listen to all the cell phone calls if only one language is spoken ;-)  This has been the ideal since Alexander and Shi Huang Di.  Just like the Soviet Union, where it was more efficient to produce all shoes in just one size (sarc).
Title: Re: What about language imperialism?
Post by: Atheon on January 16, 2017, 03:26:49 AM
Quote from: Baruch on January 16, 2017, 12:42:27 AM
Why would the one-world NWO want us to all speak the same language?  Efficiency.  Easier to listen to all the cell phone calls if only one language is spoken ;-)  This has been the ideal since Alexander and Shi Huang Di.  Just like the Soviet Union, where it was more efficient to produce all shoes in just one size (sarc).
Alexander? Qin Shi Huang? Soviet Union? All tyrannies. Not progressive. The opposite.
Title: Re: What about language imperialism?
Post by: Baruch on January 16, 2017, 09:11:45 AM
Quote from: Atheon on January 16, 2017, 03:26:49 AM
Alexander? Qin Shi Huang? Soviet Union? All tyrannies. Not progressive. The opposite.

For you, progressives are Gandhi and MLK ... but that isn't who the Progressives are ... tell me about Obama's Nobel Peace Prize please ;-)
Title: Re: What about language imperialism?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 16, 2017, 12:58:23 PM
The Government of Baruchistan is the one we have watch out for.
Title: Re: What about language imperialism?
Post by: Baruch on January 16, 2017, 01:49:32 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 16, 2017, 12:58:23 PM
The Government of Baruchistan is the one we have watch out for.

Well I do support the government (and not because I think it is virtuous) ... even if I have to drive an Abrams thru your front door.  Just don't do anything to attract the attention or wrath of the government, and statistically you will be OK.  Kind of like Florida, if you don't want to be bitten by an alligator, stay out of the Everglades.  But the alligators aren't often found in downtown Miami, there are other hazards there.
Title: Re: What about language imperialism?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 16, 2017, 06:11:01 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 16, 2017, 01:49:32 PM
Well I do support the government (and not because I think it is virtuous) ... even if I have to drive an Abrams thru your front door.  Just don't do anything to attract the attention or wrath of the government, and statistically you will be OK.  Kind of like Florida, if you don't want to be bitten by an alligator, stay out of the Everglades.  But the alligators aren't often found in downtown Miami, there are other hazards there.
I used to live on The Beach. There are 'gators there. Or were in 1977.
Title: Re: What about language imperialism?
Post by: Baruch on January 16, 2017, 07:26:36 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 16, 2017, 06:11:01 PM
I used to live on The Beach. There are 'gators there. Or were in 1977.

Since they are no longer endangered, I doubt they are still there.  I have eaten gator.  I hear that the canals are the main problem with wild animals getting into the burbs.  But now they have pythons too.
Title: Re: What about language imperialism?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 16, 2017, 07:35:38 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 16, 2017, 07:26:36 PM
Since they are no longer endangered, I doubt they are still there.  I have eaten gator.  I hear that the canals are the main problem with wild animals getting into the burbs.  But now they have pythons too.
This one was in the lagoon, near the BeeGees' house.
Title: Re: What about language imperialism?
Post by: Baruch on January 16, 2017, 09:07:37 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 16, 2017, 07:35:38 PM
This one was in the lagoon, near the BeeGees' house.

Maybe he liked music.  Dolphins do.
Title: Re: What about language imperialism?
Post by: Shiranu on January 16, 2017, 09:09:16 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 14, 2017, 02:56:45 PM
Why do Progressives want everyone to speak the same language?  Isn't that at least colonial, if not imperialist?  We are using English to post here ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njJBw2KlIEo

So here is a quick education about English language imperialism ... so Snowflakes, get out your hankies .... LOL

I would wager progressives speak a second language at a much higher clip than conservatives, particularly given the demographics of the two ideologies.
Title: Re: What about language imperialism?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 17, 2017, 05:35:17 AM
Quote from: Baruch on January 16, 2017, 09:07:37 PM
Maybe he liked music.  Dolphins do.
I know Bernie Taupin did. He was staying there at the time. The BGs were on tour.