https://youtu.be/Cj4le4cm7c4
Oooh ho ho, no, this is just propaganda :D
Why don't they stamp the scenes in the video with dates and the names of the geographical regions they were made in so the viewers could get the whole picture? Wouldn't that make the severity of the deadly crisis more obvious? This is supposed to wipe out western civilisation after all.
Or who ever edited the video, does even know which scene is taken from where and when? After all, this is NOT a propaganda, right? It's not a barage of a manipulative, fear mongering images produced to scare people, right?
I recognise one of them that was posted years ago into this forum, before the term 'refugee crisis' was a vague, remote term used in UN reports and migration policy pages noone followed -meaning a few years ago I guess- but nothing else. The muslim rally where the white blonde in red walks up and down is NOT a refugee crisis video. It's a rally by the resident muslim community in the UK as a result of some event, in some town. It's a famous video where she is asked by the muslim woman "why are you dressing like that, are you trying to seduce men?"
Anyone remember that? It was a discussion topic here along with the the vigilante videos made in muslim neighbourhoods. (The young muslims trying to stop European women with mini skirts and couples holding hand walking into their neighbourhood and some of them were arrested.)
Yes, this is just evil propaganda. Nothing to do with reality. Never happened.
We can all go back to sleep now.
Good night and good luck.
Nobody is saying 'nothing is happening'. Stop acting like a child.
I live in the Western edge of Asia Minor. We have a summer house 100 m. to the Aagean shore. We can pocket our passports and visit the Greek Islands here. I see Chios when I am walking from the shore line.
All of the refugee maps are showing a main route going through where I live in winter and summer. I live in the exit of the big city -in winter- in a third class neighbourhood on the road of the crisis route.
But how is it that somehow I have NOT seen one refugee all my life anywhere in the summer site or in the city?
Where are these 'hordes of doom' pouring into Europe destroying everything on their path that cannot be stopped? Where are they?
Gypsies and Jews have been ruining things for centuries. Gotta do something about these vagrants, right Herr Hitler?
Apparently Shoe, you don't offer free refugee status in Turkey, or they would have stayed there.
They do stay here and a lot of people are making the same 'arguments' with pr. I am asking about the dooms day armies crossing to Europe to rape and kill.
The OP loves to indulge himself in Islamophobic fake news sites. Islamic extremism is a problem, to be sure, but the wackos who run those propaganda sites are little more than nationalist bigots who want to convince people that there's an Islamist hiding under your bed and behind every tree, like a generation or two ago similar claims were being made about the Commies. Their aim is to make the world a collection of mutually isolated little homogenous bubbles, inside which everyone can be in a "safe space" with others who look and act the same.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 10, 2017, 02:30:54 PM
I am asking about the dooms day armies crossing to Europe to rape and kill.
I didn't know Trump's Mexicans had crossed the big pond already. When did that happen?
Quote from: pr126 on January 10, 2017, 12:22:52 PM
Yes, this is just evil propaganda. Nothing to do with reality. Never happened.
We can all go back to sleep now.
Good night and good luck.
Propaganda is like a still life.
The objects are still there and might even be in the exact same position, but based on how you light it, it tells a completely different story. Sometimes information is omitted from the angle the light is and the shadows that are cast.
Food for thought. My metaphor of the day
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 10, 2017, 02:30:54 PM
They do stay here and a lot of people are making the same 'arguments' with pr. I am asking about the dooms day armies crossing to Europe to rape and kill.
That is the usual view of Europeans, since Herodotus. Say hi to Xerxes for me, if you see him ;-)
Quote from: Atheon on January 10, 2017, 02:55:20 PM
The OP loves to indulge himself in Islamophobic fake news sites. Islamic extremism is a problem, to be sure, but the wackos who run those propaganda sites are little more than nationalist bigots who want to convince people that there's an Islamist hiding under your bed and behind every tree, like a generation or two ago similar claims were being made about the Commies. Their aim is to make the world a collection of mutually isolated little homogenous bubbles, inside which everyone can be in a "safe space" with others who look and act the same.
Sounds very collegiate and SJW to me ;-)
The reason I am posting these is that Americans do not get to see this on the mainstream media and they would never look on "Islamophobic propaganda sites".
Reality offends you. It is frightening. You rather not see it.
Enjoy your "safe spaces" while you can.
All you "liberals" please note. The word liberal does not mean what you think it means.
Not in the classical liberal sense.
Here is something you can think about:
The liberals became regressive illiberals, totalitarian, authoritarian, "my way or the High way".
No opposing ideas are acceptable. Anyone thinks differently is to be ridiculed, ostracized.
Because you don't have an argument. You have a dogma.
Guess what. 62 million Americans had enough of that. That is why they voted any one but Hillary.
I agree Trump is not perfect, but there was no other choice.
Now you can go and get triggered. Run for your safe spaces.
Liberal values? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJJduZlWLUQ) Have you lost your minds?
Quote from: pr126 on January 11, 2017, 12:08:07 AM
The reason I am posting these is that Americans do not get to see this on the mainstream media and they would never look on "Islamophobic propaganda sites".
If you said, 'I have actually no idea what is going on', that wouldn't demonstrate your position better than the statement you made above.
Quote from: pr126 on January 11, 2017, 12:08:07 AM
The reason I am posting these is that Americans do not get to see this on the mainstream media and they would never look on "Islamophobic propaganda sites".
Reality offends you. It is frightening. You rather not see it.
Enjoy your "safe spaces" while you can.
All you "liberals" please note. The word liberal does not mean what you think it means.
Not in the classical liberal sense.
Here is something you can think about:
The liberals became regressive illiberals, totalitarian, authoritarian, "my way or the High way".
No opposing ideas are acceptable. Anyone thinks differently is to be ridiculed, ostracized.
Because you don't have an argument. You have a dogma.
Guess what. 62 million Americans had enough of that. That is why they voted any one but Hillary.
I agree Trump is not perfect, but there was no other choice.
Now you can go and get triggered. Run for your safe spaces.
Liberal values? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJJduZlWLUQ) Have you lost your minds?
We have the Internet here, and most of us know that MSM is crap. Thanks for your concern ;-)
I like it how pr gets all hyperbolic on us about how Islam is going to destroy the western world when in the US we are literally one 70 year old man's heartbeat away from a Christian Dominionist taking over the American empire. Once again, you have much more to fear from a savvy, patient enemy than a loud, impulsive one.
Further, that 70yo man is shockingly incompetent anyway. Incompetence is in many ways worse than corruption; corruption has the wherewithal to at least keep the structures that support their power intact, while incompetence simply runs roughshod over it all.
Well, despite the relentless media hype, the voter fraud, the #Nevertrumps Hillary lost the presidency she was so assured to get.
Why?
Meh, she still won the popular vote as a very unpopular candidate.
Quote from: pr126 on January 11, 2017, 10:15:50 AM
Well, despite the relentless media hype, the voter fraud, the #Nevertrumps Hillary lost the presidency she was so assured to get.
Why?
POLLING ERROR
I can't prove this, but I think it was due to polling errors, although it's more complicated I suppose because observing polls, like quantum mechanics, influences the events and the new events react with other events:
Polls predicting a sure win for Hillary may have led to complacency among Democrats.
Hillary's weakness as a general election candidate may have led to complacency among Democrats.
According to one pollster on NPR, he suspected the polling error could be accounted for by many of those who said they would vote for Hillary, didn't actually show up to vote. This would happen with Trump voters too, but for some reason, Hillary supporters as a group may not have felt the same depth of conviction as Trump supporters.
THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE
I won't bother to explain this, partly because I don't understand the electoral college to begin with. Well, I get the mechanics of the thing. It's like a mathematical proof that 1 + 1 = 17. You insert some whacky axioms into the proof, and presto! You get strange conclusions.
Quote from: pr126 on January 11, 2017, 10:15:50 AM
Well, despite the relentless media hype, the voter fraud, the #Nevertrumps Hillary lost the presidency she was so assured to get.
Why?
You also realise the states that voted for her are globally reknowned for being socially and educationally in the modern dark ages compared to even the backwards United States...
On top of being desperate thanks to a global economy that no longer prioritised them...
I just realized how much of a thin thread the world is right now on its political climate. America is now being lead by a greasy car salesman, who if he were to drop dead America would be lead by evil personified. Europe is in shambles with its lead representative hated by everyone, and all it would take is a more "cavalier" representative to cause another international crisis of anyone with brown skin. We've got Russia sticking it's fingers in the wests collective holes, and Korea's little cheese muncher claiming he has nuclear warheads and he could fire it anywhere he wants.
I just want to go live underground with the mole people.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on January 11, 2017, 08:48:31 AM
I like it how pr gets all hyperbolic on us about how Islam is going to destroy the western world when in the US we are literally one 70 year old man's heartbeat away from a Christian Dominionist taking over the American empire. Once again, you have much more to fear from a savvy, patient enemy than a loud, impulsive one.
Further, that 70yo man is shockingly incompetent anyway. Incompetence is in many ways worse than corruption; corruption has the wherewithal to at least keep the structures that support their power intact, while incompetence simply runs roughshod over it all.
If Mr Pence is a Dominionist in both word and deed ... that would be a bad thing. If that what happens, then the US deserves the shit show it is going to get.
Quote from: Shiranu on January 11, 2017, 10:49:28 AM
Meh, she still won the popular vote as a very unpopular candidate.
So did Hitler. Democracy stinks.
Quote from: Shiranu on January 11, 2017, 11:38:50 AM
You also realise the states that voted for her are globally reknowned for being socially and educationally in the modern dark ages compared to even the backwards United States...
On top of being desperate thanks to a global economy that no longer prioritised them...
Don't worry, the Chinese and India can replace all the losers in California, and Mexico and Latin America can replace all the losers in Texas ;-)
This is why we can't have nice things. Americans think other Americans are shit. This works in both obvious directions, all are guilty. United we stand, divided we fall. Yankees are just as responsible of this as Rebs.
Quote from: Munch on January 11, 2017, 12:36:18 PM
I just realized how much of a thin thread the world is right now on its political climate. America is now being lead by a greasy car salesman, who if he were to drop dead America would be lead by evil personified. Europe is in shambles with its lead representative hated by everyone, and all it would take is a more "cavalier" representative to cause another international crisis of anyone with brown skin. We've got Russia sticking it's fingers in the wests collective holes, and Korea's little cheese muncher claiming he has nuclear warheads and he could fire it anywhere he wants.
I just want to go live underground with the mole people.
But only if the mole people are metrosexual ;-)
Putin is a great leader ... he will do much better for Europe than Merkel or Cameron. And I think the US is done leading Europe around by the nose.
The DNC was using a program to do their thinking for them, called Ada. But there may also have been garbage in, garbage out. But it was still all about Hillary being a known crook and being a shitty campaigner in 2008 and 2016. Bill Clinton gave her some good advice too, but she told her husband to go back to his latest chippie.
Quote from: SGOS on January 11, 2017, 10:50:03 AM
POLLING ERROR
I can't prove this, but I think it was due to polling errors, although it's more complicated I suppose because observing polls, like quantum mechanics, influences the events and the new events react with other events:
Polls predicting a sure win for Hillary may have led to complacency among Democrats.
Hillary's weakness as a general election candidate may have led to complacency among Democrats.
According to one pollster on NPR, he suspected the polling error could be accounted for by many of those who said they would vote for Hillary, didn't actually show up to vote. This would happen with Trump voters too, but for some reason, Hillary supporters as a group may not have felt the same depth of conviction as Trump supporters.
THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE
I won't bother to explain this, partly because I don't understand the electoral college to begin with. Well, I get the mechanics of the thing. It's like a mathematical proof that 1 + 1 = 17. You insert some whacky axioms into the proof, and presto! You get strange conclusions.
Let me rephrase the question.
Why have over 62 million Americans voted for Trump and not for Hillary?
I mean the media has told everybody over and over again who to vote for.
How can be Americans that stupid, unable to follow simple instructions?
If Hillary, Bill and Chelsea had even a speck of human decency, Hillary would have won ... given the 1.2 billion dollars they spent on her branding campaign. Personally I am not into branding people, even with Double Bar Ranch branding ... moo. People are waking up that the MSM is just a more authoritarian (not authoritative) version of National Inquirer.