The Martian Chronicles ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuVcP-ftYiI
A good description of eternity?
Well I could go on, and on...
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on December 30, 2016, 07:45:21 AM
A good description of eternity?
Well I could go on, and on...
Haha ... but eternity isn't about interminable boredom. It has to do with getting off the clock (treadmill) and enjoying life for its simple pleasures. 7th day in Genesis, aka Shabbat.
Well, we know the Martian isn't a Republican.
OK, so who is "the sovereign of our universe"?
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 30, 2016, 02:21:40 PM
OK, so who is "the sovereign of our universe"?
I wondered about that one too.
Maybe this guy?
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Quote from: Atheon on December 30, 2016, 02:02:27 PM
Well, we know the Martian isn't a Republican.
In the story line, the humans on Earth had exterminated themselves. I believe as you define it ... evil = conservative, and destroying yourself is pretty evil, so it must have been conservatives who did it, right?
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 30, 2016, 02:21:40 PM
OK, so who is "the sovereign of our universe"?
Must be frustrating where there is scifi, where advanced beings, aren't all atheists ;-) Certainly Star Wars isn't atheist.
Quote from: Baruch on December 30, 2016, 08:35:02 PM
Must be frustrating where there is scifi, where advanced beings, aren't all atheists ;-) Certainly Star Wars isn't atheist.
Star Wars is fiction (the willing suspension of disbelief). And I don't recall Star Wars mentioning a deity.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 01, 2017, 07:11:11 AM
Star Wars is fiction (the willing suspension of disbelief). And I don't recall Star Wars mentioning a deity.
Not sure on THE specifics, but THE Jedi and Sith practice a religion by revering 'THE force'.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on January 01, 2017, 08:16:31 AM
Not sure on THE specifics, but THE Jedi and Sith practice a religion by revering 'THE force'.
Yes, it is all rather E-Asian ... until in another movie they deviated from canon and started mentioning "midichlorians".
Some people don't count some E-Asian religions as theistic.
Because Asian religions have things that are kinda like deities, and kinda not, where they exist at all. "Animism" tends to be a closer description than "theism."
This seamless crystal chromosphere which long outshines the sun,
Will cure me of mortality, my final goal is won.
(Wu Yun, Cantos on Pacing the Void, T'ang Dynasty [pronounced "tarng"])
Not surprisingly, Haegglund's Radical Atheism finds the concept of eternity as well as presence, problematic.
Markova on Time
'No drugoe ponimanie razvitiia nauki, gde potok vremenie perestaet byt' nepreryvnoi i bessperevoinoi, avansy.
But another understanding of the development of science, where the flow of time ceases to be continuous and uninterrupted, advances.'
Togda osozanie vremeni ne dolzhno byt' kak strolka.
Then the comprehension of time must not be an arrow.'
(The Beginning in Science and Humanity)
One of the wondrous things about thinking about the universe, is the unknown question of if the universe is either infinite, or finite. If it is finite, where does it end, and how can such a thing be explained. And likewise, if it is infinite, how can we wrap our minds around the concept of actual infinity.
(http://68.media.tumblr.com/842f121c9e2bdfa3305be076380e40bb/tumblr_n11la4PwmP1s4fz4bo1_500.gif)
Deleuze's Eternal Problem: Difference and Repetition
https://entropymag.org/deleuzes-eternal-problem-difference-and-repetition/
Quote from: badger2 on March 01, 2017, 03:30:23 PM
This seamless crystal chromosphere which long outshines the sun,
Will cure me of mortality, my final goal is won.
(Wu Yun, Cantos on Pacing the Void, T'ang Dynasty [pronounced "tarng"])
Not surprisingly, Haegglund's Radical Atheism finds the concept of eternity as well as presence, problematic.
Markova on Time
'No drugoe ponimanie razvitiia nauki, gde potok vremenie perestaet byt' nepreryvnoi i bessperevoinoi, avansy.
But another understanding of the development of science, where the flow of time ceases to be continuous and uninterrupted, advances.'
Togda osozanie vremeni ne dolzhno byt' kak strolka.
Then the comprehension of time must not be an arrow.'
(The Beginning in Science and Humanity)
Time is a problem, and I don't have time right now to explain that ;-)
Quote from: Munch on March 01, 2017, 03:57:10 PM
One of the wondrous things about thinking about the universe, is the unknown question of if the universe is either infinite, or finite. If it is finite, where does it end, and how can such a thing be explained. And likewise, if it is infinite, how can we wrap our minds around the concept of actual infinity.
(http://68.media.tumblr.com/842f121c9e2bdfa3305be076380e40bb/tumblr_n11la4PwmP1s4fz4bo1_500.gif)
Some say Cantor, Boltzman and Goedel went insane thinking about infinity.
Quote from: badger2 on March 01, 2017, 04:25:06 PM
Deleuze's Eternal Problem: Difference and Repetition
https://entropymag.org/deleuzes-eternal-problem-difference-and-repetition/
Difference and identity ... identity is a problem, even before we compare two things we claim to be different.
You don't know who you are, unless you know who I am. Until then you won't know who I am either. But the Upanishads does deal with this.
Quote from: Baruch on March 01, 2017, 06:02:13 PM
Some say Cantor, Boltzman and Goedel went insane thinking about infinity.
Well, did they go insane because they thought about infinity, or did they think about infinity because they were insane?
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 01, 2017, 06:05:05 PM
Well, did they go insane because they thought about infinity, or did they think about infinity because they were insane?
Strict mathematical constructivists ... don't believe in infinity. So they probably sleep well at night.
if I had an eternity I'd spend it doing what I'm doing tonight which is learning as much as I can. I'm slow to catch on to things but once I get there I'm fine.
I don't know if I'd get bored of eternity but there is a whole universe to explore.
Upanishads, and Deleuze as well: "If you get trapped in the dreams of the Other, you're f***ed." We would roll with Artaud before we did the mathematicians: "My lucid unreason is not afraid of chaos." (Manifesto in Clear Language)
Quote from: badger2 on March 01, 2017, 06:29:08 PM
Upanishads, and Deleuze as well: "If you get trapped in the dreams of the Other, you're f***ed." We would roll with Artaud before we did the mathematicians: "My lucid unreason is not afraid of chaos." (Manifesto in Clear Language)
I get it, Artaud = theater. All the world is a stage, and we are merely bit players. His title Theater of Cruelty is exactly how I would describe my theology. Must have been a genius ;-)
We suggest that the theologies of eternity be compared with Haegglund's Radical Atheism: Derrida and the Time of Life. If that does'nt mutate one's semiotics of eternity, there are other machines that can and should.
"So many ego-deaths, such little time.'
(Gumby Does the Mississippi)
Quote from: badger2 on March 01, 2017, 08:53:15 PM
We suggest that the theologies of eternity be compared with Haegglund's Radical Atheism: Derrida and the Time of Life. If that does'nt mutate one's semiotics of eternity, there are other machines that can and should.
"So many ego-deaths, such little time.'
(Gumby Does the Mississippi)
Pokey was the one with his hoof up Gumby's back. Just like Mr Ed vs Wilbur.
In India, there is a river deity that supposedly rides a porpoise. Freud's Id can be compared to the ide (see www.) of the Udihe (Primorskye Krai, Russian Far East). It is the first fish of spring, as Persephone awakens there.
Yes, close, very close. The Red-Lipped Asp, or Ide, Leusciscus species, also found in the Syr Darya region. Not exactly Pokey's hoof target, but close. Nostradamus predicts Hitler's name, again close: a German river fish locally known as a 'nase.'
Quote from: Munch on March 01, 2017, 03:57:10 PM
One of the wondrous things about thinking about the universe, is the unknown question of if the universe is either infinite, or finite. If it is finite, where does it end, and how can such a thing be explained. And likewise, if it is infinite, how can we wrap our minds around the concept of actual infinity.
(http://68.media.tumblr.com/842f121c9e2bdfa3305be076380e40bb/tumblr_n11la4PwmP1s4fz4bo1_500.gif)
Posting just to get that annoying graphic off the screen...
Quote from: Cavebear on March 02, 2017, 12:34:13 AM
Posting just to get that annoying graphic of the screen...
You are grumpy today. Hope things get better for you.
Quote from: Baruch on March 02, 2017, 06:54:05 AM
You are grumpy today. Hope things get better for you.
How could things get better? I planted my tomato and pepper seeds today.
Baruch and CB, seeing your conversations reminds me of something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P84NiVGJsw
Quote from: Munch on March 02, 2017, 08:40:44 AM
Baruch and CB, seeing your conversations reminds me of something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P84NiVGJsw
I saw deep meaning there.
Well, I'm aware of the Honeymooners, and the satire recently in the video. But what pointdoes it make?
#21: Haegglund shows us why Wu Yun was partaking in immortality with his "seamless chromosphere":
' If something survives it is never present in itself; it is already marked by the destruction of a past that is no longer while remaining for a future that is not yet.....The survival of a mortal being is thus quite different from the immortality of an eternal being. If a mortal being "partakes of immortality" through the movement of survival it is only by temporalizing the notion of immortality. This is why the supposed "passion for immortality" turns out to be a passion for survival.....The desire for survival, then, should not be understood exclusively or primarily in terms of biological drive for self-preservation but includes all "spiritual" commitments to living on in time. It is because one is invested in the survival of temporal life that one seeks to save anything from death, since only temporal life can be threatened by death. Tet the state of immortality cannot answer to the survival that is desired. Rather than allowing a temporal being to live on, it would put an end to the time of life in favor of a state of eternity where nothing comes into being or passes away. Being in a state of eternity would therefore require that one renounce all care and become completely indifferent to the fate of survival. That is why it is consistent to emphasize (as many religious sages do) that detachment is the ultimate condition for attaining the state of eternity.'
(Haegglund, Dying for Time: Proust, Woolf, Nabokov)
Quote from: badger2 on March 02, 2017, 11:14:13 AM
#21: Haegglund shows us why Wu Yun was partaking in immortality with his "seamless chromosphere":
' If something survives it is never present in itself; it is already marked by the destruction of a past that is no longer while remaining for a future that is not yet.....The survival of a mortal being is thus quite different from the immortality of an eternal being. If a mortal being "partakes of immortality" through the movement of survival it is only by temporalizing the notion of immortality. This is why the supposed "passion for immortality" turns out to be a passion for survival.....The desire for survival, then, should not be understood exclusively or primarily in terms of biological drive for self-preservation but includes all "spiritual" commitments to living on in time. It is because one is invested in the survival of temporal life that one seeks to save anything from death, since only temporal life can be threatened by death. Tet the state of immortality cannot answer to the survival that is desired. Rather than allowing a temporal being to live on, it would put an end to the time of life in favor of a state of eternity where nothing comes into being or passes away. Being in a state of eternity would therefore require that one renounce all care and become completely indifferent to the fate of survival. That is why it is consistent to emphasize (as many religious sages do) that detachment is the ultimate condition for attaining the state of eternity.'
(Haegglund, Dying for Time: Proust, Woolf, Nabokov)
OK, that is close to being the least comprehensible post I've ever read. Can it get a sort of negative award?
Badger2 is unique. So special only I understand him, I think ;-) And no, we don't have negative likes. You can counterpost and bitch about things, we all do.
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on March 18, 2017, 10:20:03 AM
Hello :)
Democracy ... where everyone is a king/queen. Sometimes both ;-)
I'm glad someone claims to understand Badger. The post reminds me of some emails I get trying to sell me shares in Chinese businesses that go straight to my spam folder....