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Humanities Section => Political/Government General Discussion => Topic started by: pr126 on December 23, 2016, 11:57:32 PM

Title: Minority Report
Post by: pr126 on December 23, 2016, 11:57:32 PM
Thought for the day:

If Muslims number 1.7 Billion, how is it that they are a minority?
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: Shiranu on December 24, 2016, 12:05:28 AM
Why are there still monkeys?
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: PickelledEggs on December 24, 2016, 12:50:16 AM
Because if a number is less than half, it is a minority? Why is that a question? The current population is about 7.5 billion. That makes a number like 1.7 billion a minority.


You didn't lose your touch with math, did you pr??
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: pr126 on December 24, 2016, 03:26:14 AM
Quote from: PickelledEggs on December 24, 2016, 12:50:16 AM
Because if a number is less than half, it is a minority? Why is that a question? The current population is about 7.5 billion. That makes a number like 1.7 billion a minority.


You didn't lose your touch with math, did you pr??

By that logic every single ethnicity,  religion etc.  is a minority.
There are no majorities.
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: Shiranu on December 24, 2016, 03:42:38 AM
What is the proportion on Britain, where they're considered a minority?
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: PickelledEggs on December 24, 2016, 04:50:33 AM
Quote from: pr126 on December 24, 2016, 03:26:14 AM
By that logic every single ethnicity,  religion etc.  is a minority.
There are no majorities.

The point is that a minority is less than the others. Out of the 3 major religious groups, muslims are the minority, with a lower community than judaism and x-tianity, each
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: pr126 on December 24, 2016, 04:51:28 AM
There are, according to Pickledeggs 7.5 billion people on the planet, the UK population is a minority.
Note that Pickeldeggs used the whole planet as an example.
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: Shiranu on December 24, 2016, 05:02:06 AM
Quote from: pr126 on December 24, 2016, 04:51:28 AM
There are, according to Pickledeggs 7.5 billion people on the planet, the UK population is a minority.
Note that Pickeldeggs used the whole planet as an example.


That's nice, and yes... the UK would be a global minority.

Now, in the West (or in the UK, take your pick) how many Muslims are there vs. the majority population?
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: pr126 on December 24, 2016, 05:15:20 AM
Quote from: PickelledEggs on December 24, 2016, 04:50:33 AM
The point is that a minority is less than the others. Out of the 3 major religious groups, muslims are the minority, with a lower community than judaism and x-tianity, each
Not so fast.
You have taken the whole planet (7.5 billion) as a measure v muslims.
No mention of the other the 3 major religions in your post.
But no matter. Not worth the argument.

BTW, there are only 15 million Jews on the planet. Hardly a majority by any means.
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: PickelledEggs on December 24, 2016, 05:16:47 AM
Quote from: pr126 on December 24, 2016, 05:15:20 AM
Not so fast.
You have taken the whole planet (7.5 billion) as a measure v muslims.
No mention of the other the 3 major religions in your post.
But no matter. Not worth the argument.
Post the numbers of all the religious groups and we'll go from there. It's  5 in the morning, so I'm going to sleep

Sent from your mom.

Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: pr126 on December 24, 2016, 05:20:28 AM
QuotePost the numbers of all the religious groups and we'll go from there
No I won't.
An old English saying, "bollox".
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: Nonsensei on December 24, 2016, 05:41:51 AM
I can't believe this is a real discussion topic.

Muslims are a minority in every western country. That is how they are a minority. You can't ask a question like this without parameters. I am the minority when compared to the universe. I am the overwhelming majority when compared to the occupants of my apartment.
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: Baruch on December 24, 2016, 08:36:11 AM
Quote from: Nonsensei on December 24, 2016, 05:41:51 AM
I can't believe this is a real discussion topic.

Muslims are a minority in every western country. That is how they are a minority. You can't ask a question like this without parameters. I am the minority when compared to the universe. I am the overwhelming majority when compared to the occupants of my apartment.

If you have a cat, then no matter how many other dogs or people are there, the cat is the majority.  If you have more than one cat, then you have more than one majority, and that is too many in any math system ;-)
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: Baruch on December 24, 2016, 08:47:05 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations

Secular (worldwide) is #3.  I am glad that Neo-Pagans, African Traditional Religions, Ethnic Religions (I would put Judaism there as well as many of the small religions listed), are doing so well, after the imperialism of the major religions.  In another table on Wiki ... 4.4% of Britons are Muslim.
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: pr126 on December 24, 2016, 12:42:53 PM
 The minority Report (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4051582/Security-ramped-major-cities-Christmas-Berlin-lorry-tragedy-sparks-fears-attack-West.html)

Are we having fun yet?

#NOTALLMUSLIMS
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: Baruch on December 24, 2016, 01:43:42 PM
Quote from: pr126 on December 24, 2016, 12:42:53 PM
The minority Report (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4051582/Security-ramped-major-cities-Christmas-Berlin-lorry-tragedy-sparks-fears-attack-West.html)

Are we having fun yet?

#NOTALLMUSLIMS

Complete Brexit, don't be dependent on stupid German/French policies.  Also fewer refugees with the coming of peace in Syria.  If necessary, flood Chunnel to keep refugees out.
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: sdelsolray on December 24, 2016, 01:58:06 PM
Learning to count is fun!!!
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: PickelledEggs on December 24, 2016, 02:08:16 PM
Quote from: pr126 on December 24, 2016, 05:20:28 AM
No I won't.
An old English saying, "bollox".
And you alluded to how they shouldn't be considered a minority.

In the OP, you never mentioned a region, but in any case, you should have included all the numbers. That isn't my job, it's yours.
You made the assertion. Not me.

If you really think muslims are the minority in any western civilization, post the data that you believe backs you up.
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: PickelledEggs on December 24, 2016, 02:16:43 PM
Quote from: sdelsolray on December 24, 2016, 01:58:06 PM
Learning to count is fun!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scu9zzC5U3g

We gotta learn eventually!!
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: The Skeletal Atheist on December 24, 2016, 02:33:37 PM
Let's see: in the US they make up around 1% of the population. In Europe, don't care to look up the number, they're also at a low percentage of the population. Are you really this fucking stupid? Do I have to get out a children's dictionary and explain the definition of minority to you?

Then again, you're the type of coward who gets his pants wet over one Muslim.
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: Solomon Zorn on December 24, 2016, 04:01:01 PM
Personally, I thought Minority Report was one of the better Tom Cruise movies. What? Oh. Never mind. Wrong fiction.
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: Mike Cl on December 24, 2016, 05:37:53 PM
Quote from: pr126 on December 24, 2016, 04:51:28 AM
There are, according to Pickledeggs 7.5 billion people on the planet, the UK population is a minority.
Note that Pickeldeggs used the whole planet as an example.
Pr, you need to go back to grammer school and learn some math.
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: PopeyesPappy on December 24, 2016, 05:45:31 PM
Quote from: PickelledEggs on December 24, 2016, 04:50:33 AM
The point is that a minority is less than the others. Out of the 3 major religious groups, muslims are the minority, with a lower community than judaism and x-tianity, each
I doubt if you'll find many countries outside of Israel where Jews outnumber Muslims, and I'm not too sure about Israel.
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: Baruch on December 24, 2016, 06:36:07 PM
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on December 24, 2016, 05:45:31 PM
I doubt if you'll find many countries outside of Israel where Jews outnumber Muslims, and I'm not too sure about Israel.

Depends on how you count "Jewish".  I consider most Jews in Israel to be non-Jewish ... non-Jewish religiously, culturally and morally.  The Jews in Israel who meet all three criteria, are a minority among Jews in Israel.  Polish Ashkenazim for example, are practitioners of a kosher version of Polish Gentile culture.  Whether violent Palestinians count as genuine Muslims, is up for debate.
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: PickelledEggs on December 24, 2016, 08:00:04 PM
Quote from: Baruch on December 24, 2016, 06:36:07 PM
Depends on how you count "Jewish".  I consider most Jews in Israel to be non-Jewish ... non-Jewish religiously, culturally and morally.  The Jews in Israel who meet all three criteria, are a minority among Jews in Israel.  Polish Ashkenazim for example, are practitioners of a kosher version of Polish Gentile culture.  Whether violent Palestinians count as genuine Muslims, is up for debate.

No TRUE jewish person...
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: Baruch on December 24, 2016, 09:35:47 PM
Quote from: PickelledEggs on December 24, 2016, 08:00:04 PM
No TRUE jewish person...

Which by which argument ... we can say, are you a moderator or this forum ... or something else entirely?  What is your code name BTW?  PickledEggs?

So who do you think is a "real" X?  Or is anyone actually who they both to claim to be?
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: PickelledEggs on December 24, 2016, 09:39:03 PM
Quote from: Baruch on December 24, 2016, 09:35:47 PM
Which by which argument ... we can say, are you a moderator or this forum ... or something else entirely?  What is your code name BTW?  PickledEggs?

So who do you think is a "real" X?  Or is anyone actually who they both to claim to be?
Uhhh...  You completely lost me. Are you asking me if I'm a moderator? What are you talking about?

Sent from your mom.

Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: Shiranu on December 25, 2016, 12:26:28 AM
This thread might just compete for the most"...really?" factor this year. Nice.
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: PickelledEggs on December 25, 2016, 03:28:26 AM
I still don't understand the point of this thread.

Are we arguing about math? Grade-school level vocabulary? Or is this about how much you hate Muslims, pr?  Because you make a different post about the muslim truck driver in this thread, which has nothing to do with the question of Muslims being the minority

Just want to make sure I understand what you're rambling about.
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: drunkenshoe on December 25, 2016, 03:44:03 AM
There is no point to the thread.

pr126 took the word 'minority' and used as something that it is not. Probably for attention, because people do not talk about this topic the way he wants and he just wants more space to post his material.

May be he is really that stupid and he doesn't understand what minority means. It's difficult to be sure at the level he reached.





Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: drunkenshoe on December 25, 2016, 04:01:55 AM
Quote from: Baruch on December 24, 2016, 09:35:47 PM
Which by which argument ... we can say, are you a moderator or this forum ... or something else entirely?  What is your code name BTW?  PickledEggs?

So who do you think is a "real" X?  Or is anyone actually who they both to claim to be?

No, he is a CIA agent who is posing as a hyperealist artist and a mod in a forum where a very little group of people read and post. He also works at some regular jobs time to time to cover his real identity. Among his responsibilities, teaching a bunch of Americans to draw while checking if they are a threat to US, joinning superhero conventions to check some more on the possible geek-nerd threats come as the general ones, but his most important objective is trying to make sense what Baruch and pr126 are rambling about in AF on a given day. Obviously, CIA is keeping a report on Jewish males above 65 who is rambling about imaginary concepts and embesilic conspiracy theories with Hollywood paranoia.

This post will destruct itself in 15 seconds.

Do I need to put a srcasm note here, or do you get the point?


Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: pr126 on December 25, 2016, 06:02:45 AM
What I was trying to say was that a group of 1.7 billion is hardly a minority.

When the "cartoon fiasco" was in full swing, suddenly the whole Muslim World of 1.7 billion was offended.
Not just a minority.

Divide them into small groups all you want, they still are the umma of 1.7 billion.

Play semantics if you must.

What the hell, I have past caring long time ago.
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: Baruch on December 25, 2016, 08:09:10 AM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on December 25, 2016, 03:44:03 AM
There is no point to the thread.

pr126 took the word 'minority' and used as something that it is not. Probably for attention, because people do not talk about this topic the way he wants and he just wants more space to post his material.

May be he is really that stupid and he doesn't understand what minority means. It's difficult to be sure at the level he reached.

Minority means women ... who are 51% of the population ... also a voting demographic that the DNC can apply "divide and conquer" to..
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: PickelledEggs on December 25, 2016, 11:54:40 AM
Quote from: pr126 on December 25, 2016, 06:02:45 AM
What I was trying to say was that a group of 1.7 billion is hardly a minority.

When the "cartoon fiasco" was in full swing, suddenly the whole Muslim World of 1.7 billion was offended.
Not just a minority.

Divide them into small groups all you want, they still are the umma of 1.7 billion.

Play semantics if you must.

What the hell, I have past caring long time ago.

In comparison to the other related demographics, it is.
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: drunkenshoe on December 25, 2016, 12:06:31 PM
Pointing out an incorrect usage of a word is not playing semantics. Stop acting like a child.
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: Mike Cl on December 25, 2016, 12:23:07 PM
As always, one must define what one is talking about.  'Unique' is always just one.  No comparison is called for.  'Minority' is always a comparison of one group to another.  If you want to use the word 'minority' and make it plain what you are talking about, you have to define the field you are referring to.  1.7 is always a minority when the field is 7.5.  I think even christians can understand that.  Well, maybe not them.............................
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: Shiranu on December 25, 2016, 02:20:24 PM
QuoteWhat the hell, I have past caring long time ago.

Clearly, otherwise you wouldn't chronically post outright lies and shit like this all the time. I don't think anyone mistook you for someone who cares about honesty or integrity.
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: Cavebear on December 26, 2016, 12:48:14 AM
Drunkenshoe could write some good short story fiction...  That's not a bad thing.
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: The Skeletal Atheist on December 26, 2016, 08:01:30 PM
Quote from: pr126 on December 25, 2016, 06:02:45 AM
What I was trying to say was that a group of 1.7 billion is hardly a minority.

When the "cartoon fiasco" was in full swing, suddenly the whole Muslim World of 1.7 billion was offended.
Not just a minority.

Divide them into small groups all you want, they still are the umma of 1.7 billion.

Play semantics if you must.

What the hell, I have past caring long time ago.

People play semantics in situations like this because words mean things. What the fuck is your definition of "minority" where you don't have to look at outside factors to determine what an actual minority is?

But oh, wait, "i don't care".....even though you started the thread. You don't care now because people didn't lap up your load of shit.
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: pr126 on December 27, 2016, 05:29:02 AM
Goodness me, you guys are still howling.
Have I gored some sacred cow here?

Chill out.
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: Shiranu on December 27, 2016, 05:41:49 AM
Quote from: pr126 on December 27, 2016, 05:29:02 AM
Goodness me, you guys are still howling.
Have I gored some sacred cow here?

Chill out.

I have never met anyone more stubborn about admitting they were wrong... nor anyone so adamant on blaming everyone else than admit their mistake.
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: Baruch on December 27, 2016, 08:14:53 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on December 27, 2016, 05:41:49 AM
I have never met anyone more stubborn about admitting they were wrong... nor anyone so adamant on blaming everyone else than admit their mistake.

Only I have understood how rhetorical pr126 is, nor will I throw a Funk & Wagnalls at him.  He isn't right or wrong to be prejudiced.  I don't know why he thinks anyone will join him in it either.
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: Atheon on December 27, 2016, 09:07:14 AM
They're a majority in places like, say, Saudi Arabia or Iran. They're a minority in places like, say, the US or the UK.

Simple arithmetic.
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: Mike Cl on December 27, 2016, 09:08:21 AM
Quote from: pr126 on December 27, 2016, 05:29:02 AM
Goodness me, you guys are still howling.
Have I gored some sacred cow here?

Chill out.
Since when is a sacred cow knowing how to add and subtract???
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: pr126 on December 29, 2016, 12:17:42 PM
Meh.


https://youtu.be/IrSmPeor12Q
Title: Re: Minority Report
Post by: Baruch on December 29, 2016, 12:53:37 PM
Odd ... usually Village People are gay ;-)