https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/114-2016/h593
Passed in the US HR ... a ministry of truth, sponsored by a guy whose 3rd largest campaign contributor is Alphabet aka Google aka CIA.
You will learn to love Big Brother ... and remember ...
Peace is War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtvjbmoDx-I ... ironically, Apple is now brought to you by the Chinese Communist Party
Happening at a N Korea near you ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvXU3vzHq8E
Notice you can find intelligence in GB ... but not in the US
Jeff Bezos, who reinvented McCarthyism at the WaPo ... is from Amazon. Amazon hosts the cloud computers for the CIA. The government has their hand in everything, as they have to do. But that means everything becomes a political issue, and with the Spooks in charge, paranoia drives the police state car over the cliff.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/30/sweeping-us-laws-targeting-russian-interference-could-ensnare-trump
In 1983 I was told a story I could not believe until a man from the North took the 5th.
An intriguing part of the story-telling involved a certain southern president who was pushing the man behind the curtain. I was told "RUMOR has it, he learned this [method] from the russians" with a wink. Rumor has ... it from a man who never talked of rumors.
Yeah, I have heard the cries of "the russians are coming, the russians are coming" many, many times.
The authorities always rally the people with a boogie-man. Terrorists aren't working hard enough, time to go back to the Red Scare. I thought this was real, back when there actually was a Soviet Union, but that is a whole generation ago now. I can only expect it will be time to scape goat the Jews, just not yet.
Quote from: Baruch on December 03, 2016, 11:28:42 AM
I thought this was real, back when there actually was a Soviet Union, but that is a whole generation ago now.
Missing persons are open files (example). Case closed is much better.
So who framed Roger Rabbit is the question. They would like you to believe the russians did it. Again and again and again.
Its ALWAYS one of your own.
Quote from: chill98 on December 03, 2016, 12:03:24 PM
Missing persons are open files (example). Case closed is much better.
So who framed Roger Rabbit is the question. They would like you to believe the russians did it. Again and again and again.
Its ALWAYS one of your own.
Quislings all the way down ;-(
Quote from: Baruch on December 03, 2016, 12:18:36 PM
Quislings all the way down ;-(
au contraire
Its Quislings all the way UP
Land of the slave and home of the coward ...
http://wallstreetonparade.com/2016/12/u-s-journalists-and-professors-appearing-on-rt-america-get-blacklisted/
“To blame internal social effects on external perpetrators is very Putinistic.â€
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-propaganda-about-russian-propaganda
Quote from: chill98 on December 03, 2016, 02:44:45 PM
“To blame internal social effects on external perpetrators is very Putinistic.â€
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-propaganda-about-russian-propaganda
Elites resemble each other, more than they resemble their own citizens. Reptilians every one of them.
Quote from: Baruch on December 03, 2016, 03:07:33 PM
Elites resemble each other, more than they resemble their own citizens. Reptilians every one of them.
Meh, we all belong to gangs. But the best parties are still below deck in 3rd class.
Current news from INGSOC ... love Big Brother!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3xRyNLZCDg
This is not an endorsement of this particular channel ... but this particular v-blog post seems reasoned and technically contemporary. Over at Nakedcapitalism ... a fundraiser has already been made to push back against WaPo's McCarthyism. Nakedcapitalism is guilty of whistle blowing on white-collar crime in the business and finance sector. I regularly read Nakedcapitalism and I can endorse it, for those with a technical interest.
Here is another consequence of misinformation. This isn't The Onion.
Fake News Delivers Real Gunman to Pizzeria Caught Up in Alt-Right Conspiracy Theory
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/04/fake-news-delivers-real-gunman-to-pizzeria-caught-up-in-alt-right-fake-news.html
The real-life consequences of a made-up conspiracy theory swirling around a popular D.C. pizzeria became all too real when a gunman walked into the venue Sunday afternoon.
During the presidential campaign, some elements of the alt-right began fueling the conspiracy that Comet Ping Pong was in fact the site of a pedophilia ring used by high-ranking members of the Democratic Party, deeming that supposed conspiracy “Pizzagate.â€
The D.C. Police Department arrested 28-year-old Edgar Maddison Welch of Salisbury, North Carolina, outside the kid-friendly pizza and music venue. Witnesses say that Welch went through the restaurant carrying the gun and tried to enter a staff area in the back of the building. He reportedly fired multiple shots inside, though no one was injured. He reportedly told the police that he’d come to “self-investigate ‘Pizza Gate,†which the department noted is “a fictitious online conspiracy theory.â€
One employee speculated that the gunman was looking for the supposed tunnels where children were stashed and tortured, according to the conspiracy theory. That “theory†came from hacked private email exchanges including Hillary Clinton campaign Chairman John Podesta that were and published by WikiLeaks in troves during the final weeks of the presidential elections.
Conspiracists began seizing on pizza-related emails in the leaks, suggesting that it was evidence of something nefarious and arguing that “pizza†was actually a code for illegal sex trafficking. An email Podesta received about pizza at Comet Ping Pong was about pedophilia, they reasoned.
The conspiracy is untrue and easily disprovable. For example, the sex ring is supposed to be run out of the restaurant’s basement, but the owner told the BBC, “We don’t even have a basement.†...
oh, great...
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Quote from: GSOgymrat on December 04, 2016, 09:35:45 PM
Here is another consequence of misinformation. This isn't The Onion.
Fake News Delivers Real Gunman to Pizzeria Caught Up in Alt-Right Conspiracy Theory
This is a consequence of one mans actions.
youtube.com/ results? search_query =pizza+gate
Some of these videos have 250K views. One kook decides to take matters into his own hands. He is in custody and he will face the full penalty of the law. He alone is responsible for his actions.
LoL Took me 10 mins to find out the 'gunman' is an actor/writer.
False flag to encourage censorship.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2625901/bio
And because of WMD stories in NYT and other "official sources" ... Iraq was invaded and destroyed during the subsequent occupation. A war crime. The official sources like NYT are aways ... tools of the political class. Good thing the political class always tells the truth ;-)
Don't know how many pedophile rings exist, but some do according to police records ... there was almost one here, a year ago ;-( Rumors only, have said that the upper class are not immune to this sort of thing, it isn't just for us peasants. So Lefties ... if Wikileaks tells bad things about Republicans, they must be true ... but if it tells bad things about Democrats ... it is all lies?
Another Zimmerman, taking the law into his own hands? Well that seems to be common to both sides of political extremism. Is this only bad, if the nut case rejects SJW propaganda?
Quote from: chill98 on December 04, 2016, 10:05:17 PM
This is a consequence of one mans actions.
youtube.com/ results? search_query =pizza+gate
Some of these videos have 250K views. One kook decides to take matters into his own hands. He is in custody and he will face the full penalty of the law. He alone is responsible for his actions.
Like the burning of the Reichstag ... one nut does something stupid, and we have to save society thru dictatorship ... by the right people, right? Or should I say the left people, left? Thank god for Pravda on the Potomac, WaPo!
We have a shitload of voter suppression laws on the books based on the lies about a few cases of voter fraud made out to be rampant. If we're to believe the bullshit it means millions of people risk years in prison and outrageous fines to vote in one state, take the time to drive to other states to cast more votes in a nation where only a fraction of actual eligible voters actually vote.
We will see, the main effort is preventing the inauguration of Trump ... Jill Stein, like Bernie and Warren ... are Hillary-bots ... set to lock on target and self destruct. Guess George Soros got to them before Trump did ;-)
Michigan is still in play ... the Ds can hope to prevent a final count into the next year (like with Florida in 2000) ... then what do the electors for Michigan do? Franken-Stein is now escalating, with millions of mysterious dollars, her loss in Penn state courts, to the SCOTUS ... to keep Penn electors from voting also. The recount in Wisconsin has a go-ahead ... but is not expected to change the outcome. Suborning other electors is in progress. George Soros is our savior ;-(
Fictional stories warn against right-wing dictatorship. 1984 was a warning, as were Animal Farm, Brave New World, V for Vendetta, A Handmaid's Tale, and The Hunger Games. Star Wars, seen and loved by practically everyone on the planet, is the tale of good, freedom-loving people battling against a right-wing dictatorship ruled by an evil emperor. The history books show how right-wing dictatorships rose, all way way from Qin Shihuang, to Julius Caesar, to Cromwell, to Napoleon, to Hitler and Stalin, to ISIS.
Yet now we vote for right-wing dictatorship in America. Go figure.
Thanks Robespierre, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot .... Leftists make the best lovers ;-)
Quote from: BaruchIs this only bad, if the nut case rejects SJW propaganda?
Quote from: Baruch on December 04, 2016, 11:32:31 PM
Like the burning of the Reichstag ... one nut does something stupid, and we have to save society thru dictatorship ... by the right people, right? Or should I say the left people, left? Thank god for Pravda on the Potomac, WaPo!
The conundrum of ages!
The gunman is NOT rejecting SJW propaganda, rather he rejected political propaganda. Left or Right the end result of all dictatorships does not bode well for the pear-shaped people.
Pravda on the Potomac! I love it.
This applies to Left and Right.
Pizzagate is a lie. But what it says about our society is real
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/05/pizzagate-lie-what-it-says-about-society-real?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
... The people spreading this fake story â€" and countless other ones which circulated this year, out-performing real articles on Facebook â€" don’t actually believe in Pizzagate. They do not really believe that there is a child trafficking ring being run underneath a pizza shop in Washington DC in which Hillary Clinton takes part.
They don’t really believe in Pizzagate just like they do not believe that Hillary Clinton had an FBI agent killed for supposedly leaking her emails, or that three million people “illegally voted†for Clinton in this election.
You know what they do believe? That Hillary Clinton â€" and liberals more generally â€"are their enemy. And because they have labeled them their enemy, they believe they are at war with them. And in this war they are looking for weapons. The internet, which has found a way to monetize their hate, has been happy to provide them with these weapons.
This is an agreement they have willingly entered into with the internet: it provides them with the content that justifies their hate, they provide the clicks and shares that pay the bills of fake-news factories.
They were not duped, they are not taken advantage of. They willingly take whatever outrageous story fits their unjustified hatred at face-value without asking any questions. And they are deciding to spread those lies to others looking for a funnel that they can pour their vitriol down.
There will likely be a few people who will believe the lie, a few angry, violent and deluded people in crisis who are desperate to belong to something who will honestly believe these horrific lies. They will show up at a pizza shop with a gun, endangering the lives of many people. Just as a man showed up at a Planned Parenthood clinic last year, killing three people, believing the lie that almost nobody else honestly did, that Planned Parenthood was selling baby parts. People can and will die because of these lies, but people will continue to spread them, because people die in war.
The internet is not evil and we are not innocent children. The internet gives us what we want and makes money off of that. Whether you want truth or lies, the internet can give you either â€" and people will be able to make a living off of that. But when you hate someone, truth is not what you’re in the market for. ...
Quote from: GSOgymrat on December 05, 2016, 08:21:34 PM
This applies to Left and Right.
Pizzagate is a lie. But what it says about our society is real
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/05/pizzagate-lie-what-it-says-about-society-real?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
You are no better than that which you complain about. How about, Just once in an F*ing while, you post an original thought. Not something you copy/pasted to stand in its place.
One Kook falls off the deep end and your all pro-censorship of what YOU believe to be fake news.
1. Twitter is not a news outlet, its a shit load of people who use it for various purposes.
2. Facebook is not a news outlet (see above).
3. YouTube is not a news outlet (see above).
Youtube is an education ... for those can avail themselves of it ;-) And education doesn't teach you the truth, it exercises your mind, so you learn to think for yourself.
I don't have an enemies list ... I am not a crook, I am not Nixon ;-) But partisans in the US are little different than the ones in Aleppo ;-(
Again, if Hillary healed lepers and raised the dead .. I wouldn't accept her or her husband for dog catcher. And I have nothing against them personally. If Hillary and her husband do all sorts of Caligula type activities .. I wouldn't think worse of them either (I am not a moralist). I don't vote on the basis of imaginary knowledge of public figures ... or official or unofficial reporting on such things. People will delude themselves and deceive each other, as they will.
Quote from: Baruch on December 05, 2016, 06:53:52 PM
Thanks Robespierre, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot .... Leftists make the best lovers ;-)
They were all advocates of totalitarian rule and opponents of freedom and human rights, and thus were rightists.
Quote from: chill98 on December 05, 2016, 08:58:16 PM
You are no better than that which you complain about. How about, Just once in an F*ing while, you post an original thought. Not something you copy/pasted to stand in its place.
I'm happy to post an original thought by addressing why I post articles, videos and other things that I find interesting. I post articles because I enjoy sharing ideas with the group and many of the best ideas out there are not my own. Many of the best ideas other forum members discuss are not their own but that makes no difference to me. It is all about the idea, not who posted it. Sometimes I post things I don’t even agree with because it is nevertheless interesting. Nothing is really personal because I don't know any of you.
I like reading what people choose to share but I don’t like arguing or debating. There are many people online who love to debate ideas but I am not one of them; I just don't enjoy it. I think to be passionate about debate one must be interested in winning, in convincing the other person to change their mind, and I don't have any interest in do that, especially with anonymous strangers.
A good example of the way I approach forums is the thread “Theist: Why do you think God does not exist what are your reasons?†where the OP makes a first cause argument. I wasn’t really interested in first cause but I did want to know how a Christian makes the leap from “something created the universe†to Jesus Christ is Lord. So I posted the question. I wasn’t trying to be challenging, I sincerely wanted to know the thought process. The OP responded with information from Google search explaining the reasoning. That was perfect! That was what I wanted to know. I have no interest in changing his mind, arguing that he is wrong or pursuing the topic further.
Chill98 you and I seem to come to the forum for different reasons. You clearly enjoy debate and convincing people you are in the right. I’m just sharing information and if people like it great, if not they can ignore it or post why they disagree hopefully with a link to a great article.
Quote from: chill98 on December 04, 2016, 10:46:10 PM
LoL Took me 10 mins to find out the 'gunman' is an actor/writer.
So what? John Wilkes Booth was an actor. Nothing about pursuing a career in acting makes one immune to being a nutcase. Just ask Mel Gibson.
QuoteFalse flag to encourage censorship.
That's one hell of a low standard for making that sort of call. And that sort of sloppy thinking (jumping to conclusions in particular) is exactly what started this pizzagate mess in the first place. Also, you seem very eager to believe whatever absolves the Right and incriminates the Left, regardless of whether or not that conclusion is warranted.
Quote from: Atheon on December 05, 2016, 11:30:19 PM
They were all advocates of totalitarian rule and opponents of freedom and human rights, and thus were rightists.
Thus the confusion over National Socialism. Labels are made as weapons. To put it on an even level ... all people against freedom are my enemy. That includes communists, socialists, militarists, plutocrats etc. How to stop humans, when human nature is evil? If it is human "nature" .. it can't be stopped or educated away.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on December 06, 2016, 01:28:08 AM
I'm happy to post an original thought by addressing why I post articles, videos and other things that I find interesting.
A good example of the way I approach forums is ...
So I posted the question. I wasn’t trying to be challenging, I sincerely wanted to know the thought process. The OP responded with information from Google search explaining the reasoning. That was perfect! That was what I wanted to know. I have no interest in changing his mind, arguing that he is wrong or pursuing the topic further.
Chill98 you and I seem to come to the forum for different reasons. You clearly enjoy debate and convincing people you are in the right. I’m just sharing information and if people like it great, if not they can ignore it or post why they disagree hopefully with a link to a great article.
Once again you post a wonderful walk around things not asked of you in this particular thread. Again, I am sure that answers someone - somewheres question but it does not answer what I asked of you.
You didnt ask any questions. And I quote "Here is another consequence of misinformation. This isn't The Onion."
Your intention seemed to be supportive of the idea of censorship, at least supportive of 'big brother' deciding what should be pondered and what is off limits. Not only that, you attribute this (via your article link) to
Alt-right
Nope. It was wikileaks emails from podesta that began a BUNCH of diverse people to ponder these things on Twitter and reddit and 4chan and youtube.
And you ignored my response to you. Choosing instead to post an opinion article with your (oh so brave) commentary:
"This applies to Left and Right."
Title:
Pizzagate is a lie. But what it says about our society is real
An opinion piece. Not one link to an actual source investigated by the author regarding the pizzagate topic you promote as "applies to Left and Right".
Link 1. Not pizzagate http://truepundit.com/breaking-bombshell-nypd-blows-whistle-on-new-hillary-emails-money-laundering-sex-crimes-with-children-child-exploitation-pay-to-play-perjury/
Pizzagate is derived ONLY from wikileaks emails. To this day, I do not believe the weiner laptop emails have been released via wikileaks.
Link 2 - link to gun toting kook story.
Link 3 (associated quote) They do not really believe that there is a child trafficking ring being run underneath a pizza shop in Washington DC in which [link]Hillary Clinton [end link] takes part.
Here is link 3: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/hillary-clinton
Please show me the authors link to child trafficking ring under pizza shop being discussed by the alt-right (or anyone in society).
Link 4 and 5 (associated quote)
They don’t really believe in Pizzagate just like
they do not believe that Hillary Clinton had an FBI agent killed for supposedly [link 4] leaking her emails [end link], or that three million people “[link 5]illegally votedâ€[ end link] for Clinton in this election.
Link 4 - unsupported
Link 5 - unsupported NOTE it links to a Trump piece and does not reflect society
And if
They don't really believe ... is society they? Then there is no issue right? Or is this 'they' someone else? Because society didn't burst into comet pizza, one guy did. Even with 250K views on just one pizzagate video.
And I wont bother going further. Point is You did not investigate your sources because they fit into your bias.
And no, people dont want to change their minds about various topics. The problem being discussed in this thread is about Who gets to decide what I/they get to talk about.
And when I first heard of the purge of pizzagate related topics in reddit, twitter, etc, I thought, great for ONE reason only. This public discourse would destroy any potential for real investigators working on any leads - as far as I know, NYPD is still investigating Weiner.
But that isn't your point in all of this is it? It can't be your point because, as I said before, you have No Idea what is/was being discussed, relying on 3rd party sources for your decision making.
You are no better than what you complain about, at least in this particular episode of GSO says someone else says/somewhere else GSO said to someone else on an unrelated topic ....
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 06, 2016, 01:49:37 AM
So what? John Wilkes Booth was an actor. Nothing about pursuing a career in acting makes one immune to being a nutcase. Just ask Mel Gibson.
Are you saying Wilkes Booth or Gibson are involved in Pizzagate?
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 06, 2016, 01:49:37 AM
That's one hell of a low standard for making that sort of call. And that sort of sloppy thinking (jumping to conclusions in particular) is exactly what started this pizzagate mess in the first place. Also, you seem very eager to believe whatever absolves the Right and incriminates the Left, regardless of whether or not that conclusion is warranted.
Well I'll be damned.
That was supposed to be a ? not a . at the end of that part. It was past my bedtime...
Here. This is what I meant to say/ask:
False flag to encourage censorship?
HOWEVER ironic as it is:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0808473/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_2
Title: Something about Pizza (short - 2005)
cast: Edgar Maddison Welch ... The Gunman
The liberals would be happy if their favorite politicos had kinky sex with pasta roadkill, which is not yet stale (underage), and do it in broad daylight, in public ;-) Pizza has no particular gender, so LBGT folks will approve ;-) They just want to show that they are so open minded, their brains have fallen out ;-))
The conservatives on the other hand, would put anchovies on all the pizzas, and make that not only the only choice, but make you eat an anchovies pizza at least once a week, so prove that you are both loyal to the Dark State, and manly enough to not puke it all up ;-0
Some people think they can outlaw the delusion and madness of crowds, but without that, there would be no elections!
A guy shoots the lock off a door or whatever and harms no one, and now a shit load of supposed liberals are in favour of mass censorship. Fantastic. All is going according to plan.
Quote from: Baruch on December 06, 2016, 07:33:11 AM
Thus the confusion over National Socialism. Labels are made as weapons. To put it on an even level ... all people against freedom are my enemy. That includes communists, socialists, militarists, plutocrats etc. How to stop humans, when human nature is evil? If it is human "nature" .. it can't be stopped or educated away.
I do not agree with your assumption that human nature is evil. That's a religious idea created to require that we all pray to and fear a deity who judges us. And I disagree with your implied notion that humans can't improve themselves. We have been doing that for 100s of thousands of years. One hard step at a time, we have gone from "biggest baddest male" to groups of elders, to written rules, to complete law societies.
Yes ... good/bad are also labels used as weapons. If I thought it was good for humans to exterminate their species, then I would say that nuclear war or germ warfare are good. You are assuming that I oppose evil. Good/bad is simply I like this, I dislike that. Has nothing to do with facts, just emotions. It is not a fact, that it is bad, to kill people ... to take an extreme example. So I agree, there are no sins. Protagoras was right, and Moses was wrong.
We might agree on many of the same things as ... good or bad. But on some things, being two different people, we will never agree, and I am good with that, and I hope you are too. Tyrants aren't good with that (see any recent politician). The question is, is it a triviality if I like Mexican food or not, or do we have to face off and try to kill each other over it. Unfortunately, there are serious things, more serious than what is for supper, where we would do exactly that. That is why human individual and collective violence, in most cases, arises.
Snippet of 'news' article on interview with comet pizza gunman.
Quote from: article belowWhere did he learn about the fake news involving Comet?
He said it was through word of mouth. After recently having internet service installed at his house, he was “really able to look into it.†He said that substantial evidence from a combination of sources had left him with the “impression something nefarious was happening.†He said one article on the subject led to another and then another.
What was he like?
... He has listened to Alex Jones, whose radio show traffics in conspiracy theories and who once said that Mrs. Clinton “has personally murdered and chopped up†children. “He’s a bit eccentric,†Mr. Welch said. “He touches on some issues that are viable but goes off the deep end on some things.â€
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/07/us/edgar-welch-comet-pizza-fake-news.html?_r=0One must keep in mind the interview was approx 45 mins and it takes a minute to read the article. So theres been some editing it down. There is a disclaimer at the bottom of the article:
A version of this article appears in print on December 9, 2016, on page A16 of the New York edition with the headline: Comet Ping Pong Gunman on Motive, and Fake News.
But reading the article, we see his sources begin with word of mouth. A recent internet connection allows him to explore these rumors (unclear if this is his first experience with www or due to lifestyle changes access was lost for a period). He is unable to clearly point to any one source (news, blog, forum, russians, etc) as the impetus.
But I can attest to the amazing number of attempts to link these emails with scandals from the past and the really wild assed links to the apocalypse/revelations. And the interview itself reveals this is a Beeleever in xianity.
We have to go to a different paragraph in the 'news' article to find out YES! He has listened to Alex JONES! Yet he indicates even this disturbed individual recognizes that Alex Jones goes off the deep end.
So in a direct interview with the gun toting kook, they could not directly link this action with any 'news', alt, mainstream, print, www. No, the motive was knightly, in that the motive was to stop/prevent harm from actuating against minors.
And one cannot exclude the 'real' events that do occur; we have all been exposed to various 'mainstream' reports on human trafficking, sex industry using minors, missing children, pedophiles using the internet, and various negligence of law enforcement agencies in various locations (not saying all law enforcement).
And I think many of us have been exposed to 'censored' news. From my own experience with msm a few years back there was what appeared to be a serial rapist in a large city. Local news would post descriptions of 'african american' and there was an outcry from that community about racial profiling so the description was altered to not include race... and in a short while, that carried over to all violent crimes where a suspect was at large. Unless the suspect was white. There was a large outcry from the public who did not want to fear more than they had to, and I expect an outcry from law enforcement who wanted people to report relevant suspect info and not be forced to look into every spooky looking dude - black, asian, latino... that the amped up public was reporting.
And finally:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-LhfKKgncgGermany is an interesting cross-reference. The goal of preventing another nazi take-over has extrapolated far beyond the reasonable.
Basing law, on countering random irrational nut jobs ... makes a nut case out of the law. Law must be based on normative psychology, otherwise how can we even decide which behavior to punish? And yes, that is majoritarianism, but it is a majoritarianism I can live with, it isn't mob rule.
Interesting article posted this morn regarding 'Pravda on the Potomac'; giving good warnings about anonymous sources.
https://theintercept.com/2016/12/10/anonymous-leaks-to-the-washpost-about-the-cias-russia-beliefs-are-no-substitute-for-evidence/
Not just WaPo, but NYT and Boston Globe have piled on. Now Sen Lindsey Graham and Sen John McCain want full public hearings (they are both the greatest anti-Russia advocates) on how Putin has used fluoride to destroy our manly juices.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr2bSL5VQgM
Dr Strangelove is Henry Kissenger. ;-)
And now it isn't an anonymous source in the CIA, but a secret report, so secret nobody is allowed to look at it!
Meanwhile Obama has sent an additional 200 US servicemen into Syria, an act of war, to assist our rat pack terrorists.
But alas, if the two senators get their way, and this secret report becomes public, then the Russians will know that we know that they know ... you know?
It is increasingly apparent that there is a shadow war between two branches of the Pretorian Guard ... the FBI and the CIA. The CIA taking down Kennedy, and the FBI taking down Nixon. But the CIA supports Hillary, and Comey was a useful FBI tool to bring down Hillary.
News from the Dark State ...
A guy developed a Chrome extension, with 20 volunteers, to black-list fake news sites. WaPo used this to write their defamation article. NYT et al have joined with WaPo. Here is the guy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Sieradski
People have reviewed the open-source code that is this Chrome extension, and there is no AI in it ... it just ties your browser into an arbitrary list of URLs to be considered "bad". Any URL could be put into this black list, including Atheistforums.
Since rumor is the new truthiness ... my sources say there may be ... maybe connections between this guy and Austrian neo-Nazis, Ukrainian neo-Nazis ... and the Koch brothers. There have long been rumored connection between the Ukrainian neo-Nazis and the Netanyahu government in Israel.
Meanwhile the Feds have asked Google and Facebook to join them in enforcing a censorship on the Internet. Google does have a problem with Islamic terrorist uploads, as does Facebook, so this gives them cover.
Quote from: Baruch on December 02, 2016, 11:46:13 PMNotice you can find intelligence in GB ... but not in the US
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Quote from: Baruch on December 10, 2016, 04:37:30 PMAnd now it isn't an anonymous source in the CIA, but a secret report, so secret nobody is allowed to look at it!
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I think that suborning or threatening the EC members ... or just ignoring the Constitutional requirements, because one's candidate lost ... is poor sportsmanship. If they continue along this line (or the Rs had done the same in 2008/2012) then the Ds pushing too hard are traitors, just like in 1861 (Lincoln won with less than half of the vote). If you don't like the EC, then pass a constitutional amendment ... oh yes, the Ds don't have to do that, now or in 1861, because they are special. The Confederates could have simply gotten a constitutional amendment for orderly out-process from the Union, and then simply left. The D party today doesn't need the Constitution ... they can just sabotage it or ignore it. And if the D party gets away with this crap, the R party won't be far behind. This is why I am an Independent ... so I can keep my supper down. While I don't agree with what happened in 2000, at least that had the SCOTUS behind it, not an imaginary minority CIA report that nobody can look at ... and no, I don't think the President will share it with the EC members ... ever, let alone by Monday. If he did, he could be impeached for willful violation of National security. Only a few members of Congress are qualified to see it (like the real 9/11 report). And the full report (consensus across more than the CIA) won't be done until just before the inauguration ... way past any EC grandstanding.
Quote from: Baruch on December 14, 2016, 06:17:03 AM
News from the Dark State ...
A guy developed a Chrome extension, with 20 volunteers, to black-list fake news sites. WaPo used this to write their defamation article. NYT et al have joined with WaPo. Here is the guy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Sieradski
People have reviewed the open-source code that is this Chrome extension, and there is no AI in it ... it just ties your browser into an arbitrary list of URLs to be considered "bad". Any URL could be put into this black list, including Atheistforums.
Since rumor is the new truthiness ... my sources say there may be ... maybe connections between this guy and Austrian neo-Nazis, Ukrainian neo-Nazis ... and the Koch brothers. There have long been rumored connection between the Ukrainian neo-Nazis and the Netanyahu government in Israel.
Meanwhile the Feds have asked Google and Facebook to join them in enforcing a censorship on the Internet. Google does have a problem with Islamic terrorist uploads, as does Facebook, so this gives them cover.
Danny boy is probably moonlighting as one of the 'experts' at PropOrNot.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4014386/Washington-Post-appends-story-accusing-Russia-spreading-fake-news-saying-does-not-vouch-experts-findings.html
Keith Olbermann - another reliable news source ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAFxPXGDH4E
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Could a coup really happen in the United States? (https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/09/09/could-coup-happen-in-united-states/)
I think we've just had a bloodless, non-military coup d'état (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d'%C3%A9tat), but a full-blown military coup may come later, to quell the riots that are bound to come.
Keith Olbermann blasts ‘traitors’ protecting Trump: ‘We are the victims of a bloodless coup’ (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/keith-olbermann-blasts-traitors-protecting-trump-we-are-the-victims-of-a-bloodless-coup/)
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See ... that is the problem with fake editorials ... is it an editorial or just sarcasm? Definitely if you make a cartoon about liberals, they will go all Muslim terrorist on you. Obama never met an ISIS or AlQaida action he didn't like. This started under Saint Reagan.
Quote from: Baruch on December 16, 2016, 07:07:31 PM
Definitely if you make a cartoon about liberals, they will go all Muslim terrorist on you.
Uhhh - what?
:headscratch:
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 16, 2016, 07:12:22 PM
Uhhh - what?
:headscratch:
Neo-libs support the use of Jihadis against all enemies of the Saudi monarchy (who has the US as its lapdog). So yes, if the target was non-neo-lib cartoonists, they wouldn't mind Charlie Hedbo assassinations. They only dislike it when it is their cartoonists getting liquidated.
Quote from: Baruch on December 17, 2016, 09:40:27 AM
Neo-libs support the use of Jihadis against all enemies of the Saudi monarchy (who has the US as its lapdog). So yes, if the target was non-neo-lib cartoonists, they wouldn't mind Charlie Hedbo assassinations. They only dislike it when it is their cartoonists getting liquidated.
Black is white.
War is peace.
The Saudis have the US as lapdogs...
Quote from: Cavebear on December 26, 2016, 04:19:12 AM
Black is white.
War is peace.
The Saudis have the US as lapdogs...
Yes, you get it ... but not really, you only get sarcasm
Quote from: Atheon on December 05, 2016, 11:30:19 PM
They were all advocates of totalitarian rule and opponents of freedom and human rights, and thus were rightists.
So authoritarian is right wing? That makes me one of this board's most radical left-wingers.
sooo.. listening to alex jones today, there is much discussion of this topic. David Knight brings up 1917 Espionage Act and how it was used against this film maker (note the film is lost).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spirit_of_'76_(1917_film)
Knight compares multiple instances of US government over-reach starting at 3:08:00 to about 3:20:00 if one wants to hear a bit more (not the end of Knights hour long segment).
http://www.infowars.com/watch-alex-jones-show/
I haven't looked into the guy who died in a car explosion yet (touched on in Knight segment) but here is the wiki on him:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_(journalist)
Anyways in between the crazy callers and buy-my-juice plugs there were some interesting tidbits.
Mr Hastings car was a hybrid or an electric? If so, it had a big bad lithium battery. People don't want you to know, that lithium fires/short circuits are dangerous ... lithium is a crucial element in making H-bombs.
Quote from: Baruch on December 28, 2016, 07:28:34 AM
Mr Hastings car was a hybrid or an electric? If so, it had a big bad lithium battery. People don't want you to know, that lithium fires/short circuits are dangerous ... lithium is a crucial element in making H-bombs.
The wiki says a mercedes c250 coupe but not the year.
Hastings last known article was posted to buzzfeed 10 days before he died:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/mhastings/why-democrats-love-to-spy-on-americans?utm_term=.qnEezjEy#.sijG7jz1
One airline tried to accidentally "self terrorize" with a big bad lithium battery on board. Manufacturing/design defect, and they almost lost a whole plane of people.
Quote from: Baruch on December 26, 2016, 07:51:13 AM
Yes, you get it ... but not really, you only get sarcasm
I understand deeper than you know.
Alex Jones is (according to Wikipedia) a conspiracy theorist. Among his claims: Faked Moon Landings. That is enough to dismiss him without further discussion.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 01, 2017, 06:29:43 AM
Alex Jones is (according to Wikipedia) a conspiracy theorist. Among his claims: Faked Moon Landings. That is enough to dismiss him without further discussion.
I do dismiss the idea that we did not land on the moon. However, I was not talking about Alex Jones, rather I was referring to something his guest host was discussing.
QuoteDavid Knight brings up 1917 Espionage Act and how it was used against this film maker (note the film is lost).
Knight compares multiple instances of US government over-reach starting at 3:08:00 to about 3:20:00 if one wants to hear a bit more (not the end of Knights hour long segment).
Which is related to the topic; unlike your 'contribution':
QuotePoisoning the well (or attempting to poison the well) is a fallacy where irrelevant adverse information about a target is preemptively presented to an audience, with the intention of discrediting or ridiculing everything that the target person is about to say.
Related to the OP:
http://www.westernjournalism.com/russians-slam-cnn-for-reporting-lie-of-school-closing/
The point of relation is this 'false news' story is alleged to have come from a
"US official briefed on the matter" - bold from actual (still on cnn) report as I write this now, days later.
Not only that but the Washington Post presented an article claiming the Russians had hacked the electric grid which also turns out to be untrue.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-hackers-penetrated-us-electricity-grid-through-a-utility-in-vermont/2016/12/30/8fc90cc4-ceec-11e6-b8a2-8c2a61b0436f_story.html?utm_term=.1e6e640f31c4
Paragraph after paragraph blaming the 'russians' when the utility had found a malware that has been in the wild for over/around 1 year on someones laptop. No one knows how the malware got onto this laptop.
So is DHS scanning/probing for voter databases?
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/08/homeland-security-tied-to-attempted-hack-of-georgias-election-database-report.html
There remains no evidence the russian government had an actual hand in the podesta or DNC hacks. The repeated rumor is Podesta fell victim to a phishing scam and the DNC hack was either an insider unhappy with the shaft of the democratic process regarding the treatment of Sanders or USA government insider; NSA is floated often along with other 3 letter agencies unhappy with Clinton behavior in general.
One thing that does bother me about the current 'scorched earth' policy coming out of the Obama administration is that Trump is over-sensitive to criticism. This 'fake news' attack on the 1st amendment may not be an over-rule priority for the Trump administration, which could leave voices on the left under attack, legally, if Trump implements his own 'off the reservation' policies.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 01, 2017, 06:22:18 AM
I understand deeper than you know.
Does a bear shit in the woods? You would know, personally ;-)
"if Trump implements his own 'off the reservation' policies."
Obama wasn't the opposite of Shrub .. he was Shrub squared. Everyone forgets, for each extraordinary rendition done by a Democrat, the Republican can do two. Yes, things could get very bad for actual Leftists. They aren't an actual threat however, so any suppression of them is smoke and mirrors to scare the majority, who are not Left, as an example for the others.
Kennedy on the NWO and propaganda and censorship ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8HTr-F-FVM
Quote from: Baruch on January 01, 2017, 11:55:42 AM
Does a bear shit in the woods? You would know, personally ;-)
On occasion. Primitive camping expeditions required it. Butt (pun) as the animals around the area outnumbered us by far, it probably harmed little and fertilized the woods even less.
Quote from: Baruch on January 01, 2017, 11:59:32 AM
"if Trump implements his own 'off the reservation' policies."
Obama wasn't the opposite of Shrub .. he was Shrub squared. Everyone forgets, for each extraordinary rendition done by a Democrat, the Republican can do two. Yes, things could get very bad for actual Leftists. They aren't an actual threat however, so any suppression of them is smoke and mirrors to scare the majority, who are not Left, as an example for the others.
By "Shrub squared" you obviously mean that Obama was exponentially better than Bush. I will agree. Thank you for giving Obama the credit that he deserves.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 05, 2017, 12:52:56 AM
By "Shrub squared" you obviously mean that Obama was exponentially better than Bush. I will agree. Thank you for giving Obama the credit that he deserves.
Yes, Obama is a more effective serial killer than Shrub ... if that is a good thing. If we are going to admit that humanity is criminogenic, I want the best Godfather in charge of the US.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E84c9nRFU8U
All news is fake news, and it turns out Democrat voters can be just as dumb and gullible as the Trump voters.
Politics is competitive, internally and externally. There are over 200 nation states. Everyone of them interferes in the elections of all the others. Everyone of them interferes in their own elections. Elections are too important to be left in the hands of the citizens of that nation (all governments agree on this, both in regards to their own citizens and those in all other nations). The Ds and Rs both need to grow up and get over their precious selves. If you want something, then go rip someone off ... if they try to stop you, kill them. Fortunately I keep ripping people off with US dollars (which are worthless) and people keep taking them. If they stop taking them, then I am going all Capital One barbarian on them. Nothing is more barbaric than fake credit ;-)