Lone wolf. Mental problems. Motive unclear? Gun control!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3978944/Active-shooter-reported-Ohio-State-University.html
No such thing as a lone wolf. Each jihadi walks with two companions - Allah and Muhammad.
There's almost never a lone wolf in these situations, even when on their own, someone else has wrapped said persons perception or morality
He had a car and a knife ... so seize cars and knives? Crazy ... so outlaw craziness? He wasn't personally oppressed, in fact benefited as a refugee ... so ban refugees? Well maybe ban refugees then. The usual impact of the law, is to punish all indirectly for the direct crimes of one person.
Quote from: pr126 on November 29, 2016, 02:00:10 AM
Lone wolf. Mental problems. Motive unclear? Gun control!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3978944/Active-shooter-reported-Ohio-State-University.html
No such thing as a lone wolf. Each jihadi walks with two companions - Allah and Muhammad.
Good example of going off half-cocked.
From Ali Sina, ex Muslim, @Faithfreedom.org:
Quote“Every “moderate†Muslim is a potential terrorist. The belief in Islam is like a tank of gasoline. It looks innocuous, until it meets the fire. For a “moderate†Muslim to become a murderous jihadist, all it takes is a spark of faith.
“It is time to put an end to the charade of “moderate Islam.†There is no such thing as moderate Muslim. Muslims are either jihadists or dormant jihadists â€" moderate, they are not.â€
And black people all sell drugs or will sell drugs.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on November 29, 2016, 07:51:36 AM
And black people all sell drugs or will sell drugs.
Hey, isn't that racist?
I'm very grateful to the officer who killed him.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on November 29, 2016, 08:43:11 AM
I'm very grateful to the officer who killed him.
Just think of the tax money saved on trial, prison, etc.
And the jihadist is happily screwing 72 virgins for eternity. A win win situation.
Quote from: pr126 on November 29, 2016, 08:59:58 AM
Just think of the tax money saved on trial, prison, etc. - Yes, I agree. The officer acted within his authority to save lives.
And the jihadist is happily screwing 72 virgins for eternity. A win win situation. - That isn't real. There is no cosmic justice, no reward or punishment, after one dies.
Just another crazy fuck to make the headlines and make life much tougher than it should have to be for other Samolians in the Columbus area and the rest of the country. In case anyone is wondering Columbus is home to a large group of Samolian refugees. I don't know the numbers, but I do know that many public buildings have translation services available for them.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on November 29, 2016, 09:15:04 AM
But jihadist believe it to be real. It is in the Quran, and Allah cannot be wrong.
https://youtu.be/TNL8xugDNZQ
For sure every Muslim is a ticking time bomb just waiting to kill every infidel. I buy my smokes from a gas station run by them (RIGHT HERE IN SOUTH CAROLINA!) and can't begin to tell you how many dead bodies I have to walk over every time I go to the store. Why I have to take out my carpet and kneel down and face the east just to pump gasoline lest I get blown up or shot!
We'll just forget about just about every customer who goes there actually seems to like them, but we know it's just for show because, well..they're all doomed for not kneeling to Mecca every time they stop by for gas, beer or cigarettes..
Quote from: pr126 on November 29, 2016, 09:36:11 AM
But jihadist beleve it to be real. It is in the Quran, and Allah cannot be wrong.
Allah isn't real, but belief isn't the point, behavior is. If individuals can't control their behavior due to religious beliefs, political beliefs or mental illness then society will use law enforcement to force them behave or remove them from society.
I don't know why you keep defending Islam.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on November 29, 2016, 09:59:13 AM
Allah isn't real, but belief isn't the point, behavior is. If individuals can't control their behavior due to religious beliefs, political beliefs or mental illness then society will use law enforcement to force them behave or be removed from society.
I don't know why you keep defending Islam.
I am defending Islam?! Are you kidding me?
BTW, would Mr. Ali Artan's actions qualify as a "hate crime"?
Quote from: pr126 on November 29, 2016, 10:05:01 AM
I am defending Islam?! Are you kidding me?
BTW, would Mr. Ali Artan's actions qualify as a "hate crime"?
I don't know the law well enough to know whether it would qualify. He is dead so the point is moot.
Quote from: pr126 on November 29, 2016, 08:12:11 AM
Hey, isn't that racist?
Sorry, I thought we were having dueling sweeping generalizations.
Quote from: pr126 on November 29, 2016, 08:12:11 AM
Hey, isn't that racist?
You forgot /sarc. You are not opposed to racism ... just who to be racist against.
Quote from: Baruch on November 29, 2016, 12:51:33 PM
You forgot /sarc. You are not opposed to racism ... just who to be racist against.
You're the champion of sweeping generalizations so I expected you to take that position.
Quote from: pr126 on November 29, 2016, 10:05:01 AM
I am defending Islam?! Are you kidding me?
BTW, would Mr. Ali Artan's actions qualify as a "hate crime"?
Hate crime depends on the eyes of the beholder. I consider all D and R activity to be hate crimes. So for me, it was a hate crime, if be belonged to either party. Otherwise he was an unmedicated nut case.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on November 29, 2016, 12:53:42 PM
You're the champion of sweeping generalizations so I expected you to take that position.
There is an uber sweeping generalization ... that every post is bullshit. I go to the bathroom here, because of the free and plentiful toilet paper ;-)
So far nobody has stated that the incident had nothing to do with Islam.
A serious lapse in the process. What is going on? Where is Obama?
I found his comments in OSU student paper odd. Anyone this focused on any religion seems unhealthy.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyX-3KQXEAAsJsw.jpg)
Quote from: pr126 on November 29, 2016, 01:10:12 PM
So far nobody has stated that the incident had nothing to do with Islam.
A serious lapse in the process. What is going on? Where is Obama?
Of course it has to do with Islam. Just like every robbery in England has to do with Robin Hood ... seriously.
OP ... the nut case ... no more focused on religion than any young person at a Christian Bible college. Stay away from those, and Yeshivas too.
QuoteGun control!
You realise he used a knife and his car, right? And what was the mortality rate... Oh, right...
Edit: Also, you implied that the idea that trying to keep guns out of the hands of Muslim loonies is "funny" in a, "lol, stupid liburals." type of way.
Your ability to just get everything wrong never ceases to amaze.
Shiranu the wise wrote: QuoteYou realise he used a knife and his car, right?
Yes dear. I do.
But in your universe that doesn't matter. It is always comes down to gun control.
About the mortality rate? It was his Incompetence, not for the want of trying.
Well, color me surprised.
White House Warns Against Blaming Religion of Islam After Ohio State Attack (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/29/white-house-warns-blaming-muslim-religion-islamic-state-inspired-attack/)
QuoteThe Obama administration is warning Americans not to cast blame on Muslims after a student at Ohio State University launched an attack on innocent civilians that was likely inspired by Islamic State terrorists.
“Our response to this situation matters,†White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest explained to reporters during the press briefing. “If we respond to this situation by casting aspersions on millions of people that adhere to a particular religion or if we increase our suspicion of people who practice a particular religion, we are more likely going to contribute to acts of violence than we are to prevent them.â€
Earnest said that although there was evidence that the attacker might have been inspired by extremism, his motives were still under investigation.
Law enforcement investigators have pinpointed the attacker as “likely inspired by ISIS†according to a CNN report release after the White House press briefing.
The attacker posted a message on Facebook that law enforcement officials have released to the public.
“By Allah, we will not let you sleep unless you give peace to the Muslims. You will not celebrate or enjoy any holiday,†he wrote before the attack. “Btw, every single Muslim who disapproves of my actions is a sleeper cell, waiting for a signal. I am warning you Oh America.â€
And here is the usual message after each jihadi attack, never fails:
Muslim Community Fears Backlash After Ohio State Attack (http://www.npr.org/2016/11/29/503693426/police-search-for-motive-in-ohio-state-attack)
Which is surprising, because if the attack had nothing to do with Islam, why would Muslims worry about any backlash?
The Muslim terrorists are the agents of the State ... in the 1980s and now. If we see attacks here, it is because Big Brother wants it to happen. The Muslims are both useful perps and scape goats. If you want this to end, look to Washington DC and London.
As far as I can see, every western government, possibly with the exception of the "Visegrad four" are as in unison promote Islam and globalism, open borders, immigration (Muslims only), aganst their own peope's wishes.
Could Trump change that? Time will tell.
Edit: I believe that the so called "Arab Spring" was created, and exploited for the purpose of migration of third world populace by the millions to Europe and other western countries.
It is like kicking over a hornets nest and taking the hornets indoors. What could go wrong?
Edit 2: Big Brother is George Soros I think.
Quote from: pr126 on November 29, 2016, 11:38:11 PM
Shiranu the wise wrote: Yes dear. I do.
But in your universe that doesn't matter. It is always comes down to gun control.
About the mortality rate? It was his Incompetence, not for the want of trying.
Right. That's why liberals are using this as an opportunity to call for gun control...
And the incompetence only makes the gun argument that much stronger. I kinda want to give you a hug with how self discrediting you are...
Sorry Shiranu, you are mistaking me for someone who does give a shit what you think. I do not.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on November 29, 2016, 09:59:13 AM
Allah isn't real, but belief isn't the point, behavior is. If individuals can't control their behavior due to religious beliefs, political beliefs or mental illness then society will use law enforcement to force them behave or remove them from society.
I don't know why you keep defending Islam.
If they can't control their behaviour? The guy wrote on Facebook that he wants peace with the West. None of the big politicians in the West claim to want peace in the region (Not even Mr. Liberal Bernie Sanders. He loves war), so if what you want is for these Muslims to control their behaviour, then that's going to take a little effort on the part of the West. He was clear that he wants peace. The West does not. It makes little sense to me to put all of the blame on the one's that claim to want the peace. If you want the bodies of yours to stop piling up in the West, then the leaders in the West are going to have to stop drafting the terrorist attack victims to die for pipelines and other shit that matters more to even Mr. Liberal Bernie Sanders, than the dead children do.
The cold reality is that pipelines are far more valuable than human lives. The Westerners killed in terrorist attacks don't matter, and the Muslims killed in the wars don't matter. If anyone needs to control their behaviour, it's the West. When the West does what it does, you're guaranteed to get a certain percentage of Muslims that are going to take the fight back to you. Cause and effect. You are asking for the wrong people to control themselves. Either they do that, or they lock all of the Western Muslims up in camps so they can't hurt you, or you suck it up and accept that this is never going to change because human life doesn't mean as much as you think it does. I've chosen to go with option three.
Quote from: pr126 on November 30, 2016, 10:35:40 AM
Sorry Shiranu, you are mistaking me for someone who does give a shit what you think. I do not.
Hey, you make the claim that Muslim terrorists should be allowed to have guns so I'm not surprised you would close your ears and brain to someone who has actually put some thought into what they are saying.
Quote from: FaithIsFilth on December 01, 2016, 09:57:46 PM
If they can't control their behaviour? The guy wrote on Facebook that he wants peace with the West. None of the big politicians in the West claim to want peace in the region (Not even Mr. Liberal Bernie Sanders. He loves war), so if what you want is for these Muslims to control their behaviour, then that's going to take a little effort on the part of the West. He was clear that he wants peace. The West does not. It makes little sense to me to put all of the blame on the one's that claim to want the peace. If you want the bodies of yours to stop piling up in the West, then the leaders in the West are going to have to stop drafting the terrorist attack victims to die for pipelines and other shit that matters more to even Mr. Liberal Bernie Sanders, than the dead children do.
The cold reality is that pipelines are far more valuable than human lives. The Westerners killed in terrorist attacks don't matter, and the Muslims killed in the wars don't matter. If anyone needs to control their behaviour, it's the West. When the West does what it does, you're guaranteed to get a certain percentage of Muslims that are going to take the fight back to you. Cause and effect. You are asking for the wrong people to control themselves. Either they do that, or they lock all of the Western Muslims up in camps so they can't hurt you, or you suck it up and accept that this is never going to change because human life doesn't mean as much as you think it does. I've chosen to go with option three.
You have a narrow and false view of world relations... If Moslems stopped having this idea of Europeans as Crusaders (and I will remind you that Moslems attacked The European Byzantine Empire, Italy, and Spain before they even knew you EXISTED first) there wouldn't be much of a problem.
*I* don't give a damn about your religion any more than I care about Christianity, Judaism, or Hinduism. They are all EQUALLY silly to me. So no special prejudice to Moslems.
Other than that you are all acting like whining little brats... Like the others.
QuoteIf Moslems stopped having this idea of Europeans as Crusaders (and I will remind you that Moslems attacked The European Byzantine Empire, Italy, and Spain before they even knew you EXISTED first) there wouldn't be much of a problem.
If Europeans (and Americans) stopped having this idea as "saviours of the world" and having the right to overthrow democracies and condemn millions of people to oppressive regimes to protect our geopolitical and economic interests, there wouldn't be much of a problem.
You cant accuse someone of having a narrow and false view of the world and then say most of the blame rests on one group's shoulders, and the above includes problems that exist beyond the Muslim world and causes very similar reactions regardless of what faith the victims are.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 02, 2016, 03:37:55 AM
If Europeans (and Americans) stopped having this idea as "saviours of the world" and having the right to overthrow democracies and condemn millions of people to oppressive regimes to protect our geopolitical and economic interests, there wouldn't be much of a problem.
You cant accuse someone of having a narrow and false view of the world and then say most of the blame rests on one group's shoulders, and the above includes problems that exist beyond the Muslim world and causes very similar reactions regardless of what faith the victims are.
Um, you are comparing recent world politics to the ancient hatred of "crusaders" that moslem countries claim. That's not the same thing. I was mentioning the basis for moslem adherents claiming "crusaders" were all in the wrong in the 1200s to 1400s (or some dates like that).
It is just that I get really tired of screaming moslems shouting about "crusaders" when they started it all.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 02, 2016, 04:39:25 AM
Um, you are comparing recent world politics to the ancient hatred of "crusaders" that moslem countries claim. That's not the same thing. I was mentioning the basis for moslem adherents claiming "crusaders" were all in the wrong in the 1200s to 1400s (or some dates like that).
It is just that I get really tired of screaming moslems shouting about "crusaders" when they started it all.
I'm sorry, but saying the Muslims started the Crusades is just factually wrong. And when you understand the reality that the Crusades were a political tool by the Vatican to try and expand their influence territorially (particularly by installing Western Empire troops in Constantinople), reign in war tribes turning against the Empire (becoming increasingly more problematic as the Empires' Northern Enemies were pacified) and take power over the increasingly strengthening French and English nobility that was no longer listening to the Vatican as well as a tool for said kings to increase their prestige and their war-chest as they pillaged minority villages and citizens (particularly Jewish citizens) on their route to the Middle East then you can see why the idea of the European Crusader is still very much a relevant thing for Muslims.
The Crusades had very little to do with the Muslims and far more to do with the political instability and power grab of the Western/HRE over the Byzantine empire. And if you look at the Crusades, 9 out of 10 times the Crusaders were fighting other Christians and harassing Jews rather than fighting Muslims.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 02, 2016, 05:10:52 AM
I'm sorry, but saying the Muslims started the Crusades is just factually wrong. And when you understand the reality that the Crusades were a political tool by the Vatican to try and expand their influence territorially (particularly by installing Western Empire troops in Constantinople), reign in war tribes turning against the Empire (becoming increasingly more problematic as the Empires' Northern Enemies were pacified) and take power over the increasingly strengthening French and English nobility that was no longer listening to the Vatican as well as a tool for said kings to increase their prestige and their war-chest as they pillaged minority villages and citizens (particularly Jewish citizens) on their route to the Middle East then you can see why the idea of the European Crusader is still very much a relevant thing for Muslims.
The Crusades had very little to do with the Muslims and far more to do with the political instability and power grab of the Western/HRE over the Byzantine empire. And if you look at the Crusades, 9 out of 10 times the Crusaders were fighting other Christians and harassing Jews rather than fighting Muslims.
Read more carefully. I didn't say the moslems started the crusades. I said they attacked christian Europe first. Theres a BIG difference there.
And you need a history lesson... In the 8th century, Europe was broken up into small principlaities with no standing armies.. The Vikings attacked from the north, the Moslems attacked from the east , south, and southwest. Central Asians were attacking from the east.
It took 2 centuries, but Europeans started to get their act together. The Angles in Briton organized armies and new weapons (the longbow). The Franks organized under Charles's (culminating in Charlemagne). in the late 1400s, the locals of Castile ans Aragon drove the moslems from what became Spain. The valkan peoples drove the moslems out of eastern Europe.
Having forced to become utter but skilled military thugs in defense, they decided on some revenge. The crusades followed. Bad logistical move, but religion causes stupidity.
The crusades, dumb as they were were a reaction to Viking and Moslem invasions.
Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it!
Quote from: Cavebear on December 02, 2016, 04:39:25 AM
Um, you are comparing recent world politics to the ancient hatred of "crusaders" that moslem countries claim. That's not the same thing. I was mentioning the basis for moslem adherents claiming "crusaders" were all in the wrong in the 1200s to 1400s (or some dates like that).
It is just that I get really tired of screaming moslems shouting about "crusaders" when they started it all.
They didn't start it ... are you Byzantine? They attacked the Byzantine Empire, about 1350 years ago. And the Byzantines were messing with them first, and the Romans before that and the Greeks before that and the Babylonians before that ....
Crusader is a slang term in modern Arabic ... doesn't mean what you think it means. In actual Arabic they say "Franj" ... which is their mispronunciation of "Frank" aka "Frenchmen" ... who made up the majority of Medieval Crusaders. In fact, if none of that happened, and we only look at the last 100 years (and given that they never forget and never forgive) ... they have every reason to kill us many times over.
Quote from: pr126 on November 29, 2016, 08:12:11 AM
Hey, isn't that racist?
Whoosh! Right over your head.
Quote from: Atheon on December 02, 2016, 01:24:08 PM
Whoosh! Right over your head.
Sorry, forgot the /sarc.
Because nowadays everything is racist. Unless you are a "minority".
Quote from: pr126 on December 02, 2016, 01:31:15 PM
Sorry, forgot the /sarc.
Because nowadays everything is racist. Unless you are a "minority".
I wonder how worn your victim card is, having to pull it out all the time...
Quote
Read more carefully. I didn't say the moslems started the crusades.
QuoteIt is just that I get really tired of screaming moslems shouting about "crusaders" when they started it all.
Quote from: Baruch on November 30, 2016, 04:18:08 AM
The Muslim terrorists are the agents of the State ... in the 1980s and now. If we see attacks here, it is because Big Brother wants it to happen. The Muslims are both useful perps and scape goats. If you want this to end, look to Washington DC and London.
Wow you're
almost as cynical as I am!
Gun control is a dead horse, I think. That genie will never go back into the bottle. But it will continue to be a hot-button issue for decades to come, because that's the only kind of thing the GOP has to get anyone to vote for them. Things like abortion, gay rights and immigration have been used by conservatives for a long time to manipulate their flock.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 02, 2016, 04:42:50 PM
Wow you're almost as cynical as I am!
I am Sheldon Cooper's daddy, and Machiavelli's grandson. Keep trying to keep up.
Quote from: Baruch on December 02, 2016, 07:16:44 PM
I am Sheldon Cooper's daddy, and Machiavelli's grandson. Keep trying to keep up.
Two very good reasons to encourage condom use.
:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45m9F3e1k3w
reminds me of the Eloi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_XQ5ITv7p0
I fail to understand why the Progressives want to be Eloi ... didn't they see the movie or read the book?
Quote from: Baruch on December 05, 2016, 05:25:18 AM
I fail to understand why the Progressives want to be Eloi ... didn't they see the movie or read the book?
One person freaked out because I chose "Morlock" over "vacuous, vapid, and vacant", er, "Eloi".
BTW, if they remade that today the Eloi would all have X-boxes.
Quote from: Baruch on December 05, 2016, 05:25:18 AM
I fail to understand why the Progressives want to be Eloi ... didn't they see the movie or read the book?
It is called education. Or rather it is indoctrination by the Marxist left.
There are quite a few of them on this forum too.
They call themselves "Freethinkers".
Quote from: pr126 on December 05, 2016, 07:21:45 AM
It is called education. Or rather it is indoctrination by the Marxist left.
There are quite a few of them on this forum too.
They call themselves "Freethinkers".
Yvette Mimieux was famous as a philosopher.
I'm not sure why some people rail against Progressives.
Do you like a 40 hour 5 day work week?
Do you like protection against being fired because the boss doesn't like your political view?
Do you like having company health and life insurance?
Do you like being able to vote?
All Progressive ideas.
Do you like being able to travel around without the government monitoring you?
Do you like your privacy?
Do you like not being a slave?
Do you like the fact that you can be educated?
Do you like it when your kids aren't brainwashed with creationism or religious indoctrination in schools?
Do you like being able to express your political opinions without the government punishing you?
Do you like being protected from exploitation by bosses?
Do you like being able to practice the religion of your choice, or none at all, without being punished for it?
Do you like being able to protest public policy?
Do you like being able to freely criticize your leaders?
Do you have an unwanted pregnancy and wish to terminate it safely?
Are you gay but are getting married just light straight people are allowed to do?
If your skin color is different from that of the majority, do you want your skin color to have no bearing on your opportunities in life?
If you live in a war-torn or tyrannical country, do you want to be able to move elsewhere?
If you're sick, do you want to be able to get treatment without bankrupting your family?
Do you like being able to breathe clean air and drink clean water?
Do you like freedom, justice, equality, peace, and fairness?
All liberal ideas.
Quote from: Atheon on December 09, 2016, 04:50:33 AM
Do you like being able to travel around without the government monitoring you?
...
All liberal ideas.
Outstanding additions to my poor list. Thank you.
Sometimes opposition (to say Progressives) isn't about what they did in the past, but what they are doing now, or planning to do in the future. This is exactly why I abandoned the Democrats and Republicans in the 1980s.
Unfortunately, much of what Progressives actually have accomplished, has been overturned since 1980. That accomplishment wasn't perfect, but was certainly not worth throwing the baby out with the bathwater. But reactionary forces can't be reasoned with ... nor can counter-reactionary forces. There is no place for the US to go, but fail ... because once you break the pool balls with the cue ball, they can't be reformed, just knocked into one of the pockets.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 09, 2016, 02:54:51 AM
I'm not sure why some people rail against Progressives.
Do you like a 40 hour 5 day work week?
Do you like protection against being fired because the boss doesn't like your political view?
Do you like having company health and life insurance?
Do you like being able to vote?
All Progressive ideas.
Progressive is a term that has a history going back to the 19th Century. It's push-button word. Logic is therefore not involved.
Quote from: Atheon on December 09, 2016, 04:50:33 AM
Do you like being able to travel around without the government monitoring you?
Do you like your privacy?
Do you like not being a slave?
Do you like the fact that you can be educated?
Do you like it when your kids aren't brainwashed with creationism or religious indoctrination in schools?
Do you like being able to express your political opinions without the government punishing you?
Do you like being protected from exploitation by bosses?
Do you like being able to practice the religion of your choice, or none at all, without being punished for it?
Do you like being able to protest public policy?
Do you like being able to freely criticize your leaders?
Do you have an unwanted pregnancy and wish to terminate it safely?
Are you gay but are getting married just light straight people are allowed to do?
If your skin color is different from that of the majority, do you want your skin color to have no bearing on your opportunities in life?
If you live in a war-torn or tyrannical country, do you want to be able to move elsewhere?
If you're sick, do you want to be able to get treatment without bankrupting your family?
Do you like being able to breathe clean air and drink clean water?
Do you like freedom, justice, equality, peace, and fairness?
All liberal ideas.
But those all stand for things that keep people from making money without regard for the consequences to others. See? Terrible ideas.
Political movement X, taking credit for anything good that has happened in the last 10,000 years ...