Since Podesta had the overlords' list for Obama's cabinet a month before the 2008 election, I can only assume he has the list for Clinton.
https://www.rt.com/usa/362836-emails-citigroup-obama-cabinet/ (https://www.rt.com/usa/362836-emails-citigroup-obama-cabinet/)
QuoteWikiLeaks emails shows Citigroup’s major role in shaping Obama administration’s cabinet
Among the many revelations from the #PodestaEmails are passages showing that even before President Obama was elected, the staffing for leading cabinet positions had more or less been decided by a group led by an Citigroup exec.
The revelation came from a hack of the email account of John Podesta, a chair of Obama’s 2008 Transition Team. They show that Obama gave executives of Citigroup an “outsized role in shaping and staffing his first term.â€
Nothing to see here, the oligarchy marches on.
And I should believe anything whatsoever that comes from wikileaks and rt "news" why exactly?
Anything whatsoever? No, you shouldn't believe that from anyone.
Even GOP polls are showing her winning. America just might dodge the Trumpette of Dumb.
Wikileaks has lost all credibility ever since they were shown to be 1) Purely partisan (where is all the dirt on Trump? Why only Clinton), 2) releasing forged documents, and 3) run by a man who has lost his mind.
1) Does this make the information released about Clinton false?
2) Please tell me which documents they released were forged? Are you saying they forged documents or someone provided forged documents to them and they released them?
3) Isn't this attacking the person?
Quote from: Hurt on November 06, 2016, 06:36:24 PM
1) Does this make the information released about Clinton false?
2) Please tell me which documents they released were forged? Are you saying they forged documents or someone provided forged documents to them and they released them?
3) Isn't this attacking the person?
No it is irony. Some atheists believe that their favored candidate is Jesus Christ Superstar (in a pantsuit or in bad hair, your pick). Rationalists using fallacies .. such as ad hominem. And in the SJW world, you can't criticize anyone, not even Nazis, because you will cruelly trigger them.
The FBI said today that they have nothing new to go on. EOF
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on November 06, 2016, 07:44:17 PM
The FBI said today that they have nothing new to go on. EOF
I'm no longer as concerned as I was about the laws broken by Clinton and her staff over the intentional mishandling of classified information. My concern now is fighting the corruption in our country that is resulting in lost lives and livelihood, the destruction of biodiversity and the wrecking of our climate. Clinton is as corrupt as they come and will be responsible for continuing this suicidal trend.
I'd like to hear from a Clinton supporter about what good she will do for the country and the citizens. Because that is something that is missing from the email leak, all the good she wants to do.
Let's get something straight. RT does not represent the interests of the United States nor the citizens of the United States nor does wikileaks and for that matter nor does Fox news, CNN or even the NYT.. That's not to say that none of them are ever right, but they represent their interests first and foremost.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on November 06, 2016, 07:44:17 PM
The FBI said today that they have nothing new to go on. EOF
there just performing a show
Quote from: Hurt on November 06, 2016, 08:00:32 PM
I'm no longer as concerned as I was about the laws broken by Clinton and her staff over the intentional mishandling of classified information. My concern now is fighting the corruption in our country that is resulting in lost lives and livelihood, the destruction of biodiversity and the wrecking of our climate. Clinton is as corrupt as they come and will be responsible for continuing this suicidal trend.
I'd like to hear from a Clinton supporter about what good she will do for the country and the citizens. Because that is something that is missing from the email leak, all the good she wants to do.
I ain't got time for all that shit..
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/
Look it up yourself.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on November 06, 2016, 08:08:48 PM
I ain't got time for all that shit..
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/
Look it up yourself.
I'll clarify; do you believe what she says? Do you believe she wants to implement everything that is listed on her page or in the speeches she has given to the electorate? What about the two positions she says you have to have? Which one would she go with on any given issue, the one she tells the precariats or the one she tells her wealthy donors?
I'll ask a different way, what good do you honestly think she will do for the average American?
Quote from: Atheon on November 06, 2016, 06:33:04 PM
Wikileaks has lost all credibility ever since they were shown to be 1) Purely partisan (where is all the dirt on Trump? Why only Clinton)
It is my understanding wikileaks releases what they are provided by others, they do not hack anyone. Maybe they haven't been given information on Trump. Perhaps they have and it's the same shit Trump himself says and tweets so no big secrets.
The issue stands. Why not release any info they receive on Trump?
Assuming they have it. I agree, if they have it, release it. I don't want that ass hat or Clinton as president.
Quote from: Atheon on November 06, 2016, 09:02:34 PMI'd like to hear from a Clinton supporter about what good she will do for the country and the citizens.
Supreme Court appointments: keeping the SC from being majority right wing.
Preserving reproductive rights.
Preserving church/state separation. (This should be a primary issue to any atheist.)
Fighting climate change and protecting the environment.
Preserving, fixing and improving the ACA.
Fighting against bigotry instead of fomenting it.
Campaign finance reform.
Not building a wall.
Not being an insane, corrupt, bigoted, violence-provoking, narcissistic, lying, religious-right-ass-kissing, extreme-right, neo-fascist dictator-wannabe like Trump whose presidency would utterly destroy America, turning it into a third-world right-wing cesspool, and causing damage worldwide.
Hell, here is a list: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/
Are you an atheist? Trump is in league with the Religious Right, which should be of grave concern for atheists. Why an atheist would vote to hand the reins of power to the Religious Right is beyond me. If Trump wins, the Religious Right wins, and you really don't want that.
"Supreme Court appointments: keeping the SC from being majority right wing."
--Republicans have already claimed they will block any of her nominees, even if she were to go moderate. She will make a deal and nominate center-right and everyone will make a show of it. In the end, the court leans right.
Preserving reproductive rights.
--I think she may be secretly against it. See below. I think her compromise of a SC nominee will be against it and rule that way.
Preserving church/state separation.
--She is a believer who I believe will do nothing of the sort: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics)
Fighting climate change and protecting the environment.
--She will ensure fracking continues to grow and will do everything she can to export it.
Preserving, fixing and improving the ACA.
--Preserving, yes. Fixing, only for the insurance industries the ACA benefits.
Fighting against bigotry instead of fomenting it.
--Some, racial and religious, not so much of gay rights.
Campaign finance reform.
--Hell no, a broken system got her where she is.
Not building a wall.
--True, slave labor will always benefit those corporations who do not want to abide by fair labor practices.
Not being an insane, corrupt, bigoted, violence-provoking, narcissistic, lying, religious-right-ass-kissing, extreme-right, neo-fascist dictator-wannabe like Trump whose presidency would utterly destroy America, turning it into a third-world right-wing cesspool, and causing damage worldwide.
--I don't give in to scare tactics.
That is all for tonight, alcohol is calling :-)
I love atheists who claim that Trump is the anti-Christ ... because as a Jew, I could vote for that ;-)
Liberals differ from Conservatives, only in which fanatics they want to enact their tyranny thru. This is why I am an I, not a D, not an R. Though I am starting to think that I should have been an L all along, and be in favor of the dictatorship of L, not any other damn letter ... and FEMA camp all the rest of you ... for psychological evaluation. See, L tyranny is the one and only true tyranny ... bwahah.
Quote from: Atheon on November 06, 2016, 09:12:20 PM
Supreme Court appointments: keeping the SC from being majority right wing.
Preserving reproductive rights.
Preserving church/state separation. (This should be a primary issue to any atheist.)
Fighting climate change and protecting the environment.
Preserving, fixing and improving the ACA.
Fighting against bigotry instead of fomenting it.
Campaign finance reform.
Not building a wall.
Not being an insane, corrupt, bigoted, violence-provoking, narcissistic, lying, religious-right-ass-kissing, extreme-right, neo-fascist dictator-wannabe like Trump whose presidency would utterly destroy America, turning it into a third-world right-wing cesspool, and causing damage worldwide.
Hell, here is a list: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/
Are you an atheist? Trump is in league with the Religious Right, which should be of grave concern for atheists. Why an atheist would vote to hand the reins of power to the Religious Right is beyond me. If Trump wins, the Religious Right wins, and you really don't want that.
From my perspective, you're screwed either way. Neither candidate is the good choice America deserves.
But, hurt!
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on November 07, 2016, 07:41:30 AM
But, hurt!
Butt hurt ... where are the grammar Nazis when you need them?
Can't wait for the film from Fantasy Island (plutocrat pedophilia) the Bill and Hillary front and center. Should make for a nice impeachment.
Quote from: Baruch on November 07, 2016, 12:40:21 PM
Butt hurt ... where are the grammar Nazis when you need them?
Can't wait for the film from Fantasy Island (plutocrat pedophilia) the Bill and Hillary front and center. Should make for a nice impeachment.
I can't wait for the constitutional scholars to point out that impeachment is just arraignment, not a conviction.
I am an atheist and I think Hillary is more of a believer than "two corinthians" Trump. I agree that they are both horrible choices but I think they will be equally horrible for the county/world.
We're "forked" for the next four-eight years regardless.
-Butt Hurt
I may use that :-)
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on November 07, 2016, 12:45:04 PM
I can't wait for the constitutional scholars to point out that impeachment is just arraignment, not a conviction.
Yes, you folks would vote for anyone under indictment ;-) Provided they aren't convicted of course ;-)) This is what happens when you build a country from European pond scum.
Quote from: Hurt on November 07, 2016, 06:23:00 PM
I am an atheist and I think Hillary is more of a believer than "two corinthians" Trump. I agree that they are both horrible choices but I think they will be equally horrible for the county/world.
We're "forked" for the next four-eight years regardless.
-Butt Hurt
I may use that :-)
We are fucked to the max if...................Trump wins. HRC will make at least a decent president. Keep in mind that there has never been, and most likely will never be, a perfect president. All had clay feet and did things I found troubling. But the most that can be said about HRC is that all of the hoopla about her dishonesty and scandals are mostly smoke and mirrors. And she has held up under 30 yrs. of close scrutiny. Most of the angst about her is simply that she is a strong woman. If she were a man, much of what this country finds troubling about her would be be excused, if not applauded, as being the acts of a strong man. This country has a huge case of the hates for strong women. We are well past the time to get over that.
Mata Hari was a strong woman. Do you have a fetish for women bodybuilders?
Quote from: Baruch on November 07, 2016, 06:45:52 PM
Mata Hari was a strong woman. Do you have a fetish for women bodybuilders?
Really? I don't know that Mata Hari was strong or weak. Don't really care.
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 07, 2016, 06:48:48 PM
Really? I don't know that Mata Hari was strong or weak. Don't really care.
She could make a man tell her all his secrets ;-)
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 07, 2016, 06:42:45 PM
We are fucked to the max if...................Trump wins. HRC will make at least a decent president. Keep in mind that there has never been, and most likely will never be, a perfect president. All had clay feet and did things I found troubling. But the most that can be said about HRC is that all of the hoopla about her dishonesty and scandals are mostly smoke and mirrors. And she has held up under 30 yrs. of close scrutiny. Most of the angst about her is simply that she is a strong woman. If she were a man, much of what this country finds troubling about her would be be excused, if not applauded, as being the acts of a strong man. This country has a huge case of the hates for strong women. We are well past the time to get over that.
I take Clinton at her word when she said she will be continuing Obama's presidency. He was friendly with wall street, health insurance companies, corporations who wanted to ship jobs overseas, expanded oil drilling, expand fracking, didn't find a pipeline he didn't like (after years of back and forth finally put a temporary stop to the forth phase of the keystone xl, other pipelines have been approved) ass load of drone strikes killing thousands of innocent civilians. I think she will do the same things because she answers to the same people, and those people are not you and me.
I fucking hate Trump and most of what the republicans have come to stand for.
If we all voted our conscience we wouldn't have to choose between two horrendous people.
If it the function of a corrupt system to present a fate accompli ... two bad choices. Don't surrender to that. Start working against the two party system, the day after the election.
PS - Hillary has announced she is going back to the "cat food commission" of 2011 ... to kill Social Security and Medicare. I am not worried, I plan on surviving by cannibalizing Millennials.
Quote from: Baruch on November 07, 2016, 06:26:04 PM
Yes, you folks would vote for anyone under indictment ;-) Provided they aren't convicted of course ;-)) This is what happens when you build a country from European pond scum.
Your babble is handy sig fodder. Cheers.
QuoteIf we all voted our conscience we wouldn't have to choose between two horrendous people.
Third thread I have had to ask this, third thread I probably won't get an answer...
Please name me one third party candidate who is any morally/intellectually/politically better than the two of them, or a Democrat/Republican who lost in the primaries who was a better choice.
Quote from: Shiranu on November 08, 2016, 07:26:46 AM
Third thread I have had to ask this, third thread I probably won't get an answer...
Please name me one third party candidate who is any morally/intellectually/politically better than the two of them, or a Democrat/Republican who lost in the primaries who was a better choice.
I think that goes back well before this current bread-and-circuses foofooraw. If voters had educated themselves and voted for people who would be beneficial to the country in their office from Day One we wouldn't be faced with a situation where good people don't want to be involved in the process.
One person who is often overlooked in all of this; and he is one of the most important of men. Gerry Mandering. If we could have somebody kill this son-of-a-bitch, this country would be on it's way to recovery.
Quote from: Shiranu on November 08, 2016, 07:26:46 AM
Third thread I have had to ask this, third thread I probably won't get an answer...
Please name me one third party candidate who is any morally/intellectually/politically better than the two of them, or a Democrat/Republican who lost in the primaries who was a better choice.
I like, and voted for, Jill Stein. I think she is better morally, intellectually and I don't know what you mean by one person being better politically than another.
I don't agree with her on all issues, to find that person I would have to run, and no one wants that!
Some folks have their heads up Hillary's or Trump's ass ... they can't see daylight ;-))
Quote from: Hurt on November 08, 2016, 06:30:48 PM
I like, and voted for, Jill Stein. I think she is better morally, intellectually and I don't know what you mean by one person being better politically than another.
I don't agree with her on all issues, to find that person I would have to run, and no one wants that!
You voted for a 3rd party? Did you thnik it would win?
Quote from: Hurt on November 08, 2016, 06:30:48 PM
I like, and voted for, Jill Stein. I think she is better morally, intellectually and I don't know what you mean by one person being better politically than another.
I don't agree with her on all issues, to find that person I would have to run, and no one wants that!
Well, at least thank you... I needed a good laugh tonight.
Quote from: Shiranu on November 09, 2016, 01:38:14 AM
Well, at least thank you... I needed a good laugh tonight.
The ideological certainty of youth ;-)
Quote from: Shiranu on November 09, 2016, 01:38:14 AM
Well, at least thank you... I needed a good laugh tonight.
Better it were Jill Stein. Incompetence is better than evil and sick.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 09, 2016, 08:20:45 AM
Better it were Jill Stein. Incompetence is better than evil and sick.
Yes, if Gary Johnson had been off the ballot, and Jill Stein was on it, she would have been my first choice.