I learned a new word today: Christianophobia.
WikiLeaks Scandal: After Hillary Clinton Confidantes Mock Catholics, Evangelicals, Letter Circulating Among Christian Leaders
http://www.christianpost.com/news/wikileaks-scandal-after-hillary-clinton-confidantes-mock-catholics-evangelicals-letter-circulating-among-christian-leaders-170766/#z5Xv8sGcJOHWHmLm.99
... The behavior of the Clinton campaign appears to reflect the attitude of a small, but elite group of Americans seen as Christianophobes who demonstrate signs of anti-Christian hostility highlighted by sociologists David Williamson and George Yancey in their new book, So Many Christians, So Few Lions: Is There Christianophobia in the United States?
Christianophobes, says Yancey, are mostly white, wealthy, well-educated and non-religious.
"The general image they have of Christians is that they are a backward, non-critical thinking, child-like people who do not like science and want to interfere with the lives of everyone else," Yancey explained in an earlier interview with CP. "But even worse, they see ordinary Christians as having been manipulated by evil Christian leaders and will vote in whatever way those leaders want. They believe that those leaders are trying to set up a theocracy to force everybody to accept their Christian beliefs. So, for some with Christianophobia, this is a struggle for our society and our ability to move toward a progressive society. Christians are often seen as the great evil force that blocks our society from achieving this progressive paradise," he added.
Poor Wikileaks, no "bomb shell", so they just toss something out. Sad, that.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on October 13, 2016, 09:34:30 AM
I learned a new word today: Christianophobia...
An
irrational fear of Christians.
Quote...Christianophobes, says Yancey, are mostly white, wealthy, well-educated and non-religious.
Republican men mostly have 5 inches, while Democrat men mostly have 7 inches. Moderates are usually in the 6 inch range. This according to a study by
your mom.Quote"The general image they have of Christians is that they are a backward, non-critical thinking, child-like people who do not like science and want to interfere with the lives of everyone else," Yancey explained in an earlier interview with CP. "But even worse, they see ordinary Christians as having been manipulated by evil Christian leaders and will vote in whatever way those leaders want. They believe that those leaders are trying to set up a theocracy to force everybody to accept their Christian beliefs.
From what I've witnessed of outspoken Christians, that conclusion sounds rational to me. No phobia, unless you start assuming that because a person is Christian, they are automatically guilty of those traits.
QuoteSo, for some with Christianophobia, this is a struggle for our society and our ability to move toward a progressive society. Christians are often seen as the great evil force that blocks our society from achieving this progressive paradise," he added.
There's the real phobia:
progressives.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on October 13, 2016, 10:30:57 AM
Poor Wikileaks, no "bomb shell", so they just toss something out. Sad, that.
Plus they've been caught forging documents. Assange has lost his sanity, as well... he has fallen into paranoid delusions.
I used to like Assange; I even called him a hero. Now he's a pathetic excuse for a human being
I remember stating that word didn't exist a few months ago in a thread about Islamophobia to bolster the idea that Islamophobia was actually a made-up thing.
Besides, I think any fear of Islam, which is a scary-ass religion, especially for women, or Christianity, which often includes needy, whiny, self-important people wishing nothing more than to impose their beliefs on everyone around them is, by nature, rational. As a phobia is an irrational fear I now think both things are made up.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on October 13, 2016, 09:34:30 AMChristianophobes, says Yancey, are mostly white, wealthy, well-educated and non-religious.
Not to be confused with the white and wealthy pastors who have two to three years of college education dedicated to theology, who promote secular (non-religious) ideas under the guise of them being Biblical truths.
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on October 13, 2016, 10:31:34 AM
From what I've witnessed of outspoken Christians, that conclusion sounds rational to me. No phobia, unless you start assuming that because a person is Christian, they are automatically guilty of those traits.
That's what I thought when I read that assessment.
No need for Rico Law enforcement. The Catholic Church, the Mormon Church and the S Baptist Church don't have it out for anyone, they have no ambitions at all ... bwahaha
I don't care for terms like homophobia, Islamophobia or Christianophobia because "phobia" implies these are illnesses that need treatment. Individuals who are afraid of heights, spiders or public speaking typically don't want to fear these things and wish to change. Christianophobia and the others are attitudes and beliefs that do not bother the individual experiencing the "phobia", only other people.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on October 13, 2016, 03:44:14 PM
I don't care for terms like homophobia, Islamophobia, Christianophobia because it implies these are illnesses that need treatment. Individuals who are afraid of heights, spiders or public speaking typically don't want to fear these things and wish to change. Christianophobia and the others are attitudes and beliefs that do not bother the individual, only other people.
I agree. The first two just seem like terms someone made up as an excuse to shame people, as if making up a word that sounds academic somehow makes it more important. And the last one sounds like a pitiful attempt by Christians to respond in kind.
Hello. I have idiotitus. A severe allergy to stupid. See, it sounds like something you'd find in a medical school textbook, so it must be legit.
Quote from: Blackleaf on October 13, 2016, 04:03:12 PM
I agree. The first two just seem like terms someone made up as an excuse to shame people, as if making up a word that sounds academic somehow makes it more important. And the last one sounds like a pitiful attempt by Christians to respond in kind.
Hello. I have idiotitus. A sever allergy to stupid. See, it sounds like something you'd find in a medical school textbook, so it must be legit.
You two nailed it I think. Coming up with pseudo-phobias is Like the fad of the millennium.
nope i'm a bigot theres a difference
I'm NOT a "christianophobe". I think ALL theists are equally idiots... Doesn't matter WHAT beliefs.
I prefer theistphobe.
Just as bullshit word as Islamophobia.
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 22, 2016, 01:53:51 PM
I prefer theistphobe.
Theistphobe works for me. But then, so does "atheist". But sometimes you need to point out to particular believers that you not just not one of THEM but rather not one of their larger subset.
It cracks me up when someone realizes I am not Christian, then assumes I must be Jewish. And then not Jewish, so maybe Bhuddist? ROTFLOL!
A phobia would suggest an irrational fear of someone or something. No, whenever I'm faced with a theist blathering on about god is good god is great or yelling Allah akbar, the thought that plays in my head is "oh dammit another crazy".
If it were a phobia, I'd be afraid of anyone even remotely believing in something like that, but since some of my family and a few friends believe in something religious, even my mother believing in angels, clearly it's not a phobia, just indigestion from facepalming so much.
The ones who made up the terms Christianaphobe or islamaphobe do so because in their eyes, their beliefs are rational and anyone not agreeing it's the only right way of thinking must be the irrational ones.
Also reading so much bullshit causes stupidophobia. But contrary to other phobias this one doesn't cause any desire to change, but results in sarcasm, insult, and screaming your head off to the object of fear, usually because it is often literally a subject supporting an empty space between ears.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 23, 2016, 06:13:14 AM
Also reading so much bullshit causes stupidophobia. But contrary to other phobias this one doesn't cause any desire to change, but results in sarcasm, insult, and screaming your head off to the object of fear, usually because it is often literally a subject supporting an empty space between ears.
You are describing much of the American South. Except that now, much of that lack of thinking has spread into the middle of the country, as well. As I have said before, I simply call the SFA's. Stupid Fucking Americans. We have quite a crop of them these days.
I'm a theocracyophobe.
Just remember this. If you're an atheist you've proven that you don't believe in anything at all. Products made from the trunks of trees are called wood? Absolutely not. If you're an atheist you can't believe that because you can't believe in anything.
In fact, if you are reading this right now you can't possibly believe that I wrote it because being an atheist you can't believe anything including the possibility that you've actually read this far.
I'm a blank-a-phobe which is the irrational fear that anything proceeding the suffix phobe has to be fake or in every way possible harmful and dangerous to our way of life. Wait, would the part, phobe be a suffix or would it be aphobe? It it a suffix at all as a part of speech?
More poisonous identity politics, on the part of Hillary if the leaks are true, and on the part of the people exposing them, to include the media. How about we look at the issues for once. I don't need to be goaded into not voting for Hillary by someone pushing my religious button, her political stances do that just fine. Just the fact that she proposes an action that will necessitate starting a war with Syria and Russia are enough for me, but she has plenty of other strikes against her that just seal the deal.
Going by the description in the OP, I have no problem accepting the term Christianophobia, and I'm someone who does not accept the term Islamaphobia. This is not a new term for me. I've heard it for years. In the OP, the guy quoted was talking about people's thoughts towards Christians in general, and not their thoughts about Christianity. So, he doesn't appear to be saying that being anti-Christianity makes you Christianophobic, but only being anti-Christian makes you that. I agree with this. I do not accept Islamaphobia, because it is used against people who are anti-Muslim OR just simply anti-Islam, and being anti a religion does not make one any kind of phobe. If you say fuck all Christians, I hate them all, then that makes you a bigot and a Christianophobe. At least they were smart enough to call it Christianophobia and not Christianityaphobia. If they used the name of their religion rather than the followers of their religion, I wouldn't accept the term.
To say I'm afraid of christians is false. I don't even hate christians them selves necessarily but I do hate christianity for the lying sack of shit that it is and all the harm it causes.
Christianity did not just pop out of nowhere without it being invented and spread by people. So, to say I hate christians is a bit of a stretch. But I do hate the hierarchy that allows it to spread and grow. I hate that hierarchy and the people that hold offices of importance within those hierarchies. Yes, I hate the pope and all leaders of all of the various sects. I wish that the job they are trying to do would fail horribly and I don't give a whit about their lives; and I hold those people in great disdain. I say the same about every other organized religion, as well.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 23, 2016, 06:13:14 AM
Also reading so much bullshit causes stupidophobia. But contrary to other phobias this one doesn't cause any desire to change, but results in sarcasm, insult, and screaming your head off to the object of fear, usually because it is often literally a subject supporting an empty space between ears.
Dumasaphobia - The Fear of Stupid People.
I think Islamaphobia, as well as I suppose Christianphobia, has a shred... a very small one... of credibility. There ARE people who have an irrational fear of Islam and Muslims, just as there are people who have an irrational fear of Christians and Christianity, to the point they delusionally start to believe even the most outlandish articles that make "The Onion" look serious. When it reaches that point, I think "whatever-phobia" is an accurate term.
That said, there are very few people like that, and for the most part I think people see through their bullshit whenever it's pointed out.
Quote...but only being anti-Christian makes you that. I agree with this. I do not accept Islamaphobia, because it is used against people who are anti-Muslim...
So being anti-Christian makes you bigoted, but being anti-Muslim doesn't.
What?
Quote from: GSOgymrat on October 13, 2016, 09:34:30 AM
"The general image they have of Christians is that they are a backward, non-critical thinking, child-like people who do not like science and want to interfere with the lives of everyone else," Yancey explained in an earlier interview with CP. "But even worse, they see ordinary Christians as having been manipulated by evil Christian leaders and will vote in whatever way those leaders want. They believe that those leaders are trying to set up a theocracy to force everybody to accept their Christian beliefs. So, for some with Christianophobia, this is a struggle for our society and our ability to move toward a progressive society. Christians are often seen as the great evil force that blocks our society from achieving this progressive paradise," he added.[/I]
Christianity and Islam are both extremely powerful regressive forces in the world which serve the interests of the corrupt status quo, oppose science (and truth generally), justify gross repression, motivate violence and genuine bigotry. Viewing the desert monotheisms as malevolent, and the believing masses as manipulated gulls, is in no way phobic. The fundamentalists
really do mean harm to the world, and recognizing that is simply seeing the world as it is, rather than how we might like it to be.
Along similar lines to Islamophobia and Christianophobia may I suggest:
Klanphobia: Many black Americans have an irrational dislike of the KKK. They view the mass of KKK members as ignorant thugs, and the leadership as fanatical racists.
Favlokratophobia: The irrational fear of political corruption. Some people seem to think that huge campaign contributions (US) and/or membership of corporate boards (UK) actually influences the actions of elected politicians.
(Note: used Google translate for the name of the phobia- it may be completely wrong!)
Crackphobia: The view that crack cocaine is injurious to health. Similar phobic conditions have been noted for tobacco, heroin, methamphetamine....
Quote from: Shiranu on October 24, 2016, 07:21:54 PM
So being anti-Christian makes you bigoted, but being anti-Muslim doesn't.
What?
Anti-Muslim bigotry is a very big problem in the West. Islamaphobia is a term that was invented by a Muslim trying to make the point that you're a bigot for criticizing a religion. That is dumb, so I don't accept the term, but anti-Muslim bigotry is a very real problem.
If someone thinks the term Christianophobe is stupid and doesn't want to use it, that's fine too. If they think "here comes the crazy" when they see someone talking about their religion, that's fine too, as long as they don't think that Christian, Muslim, Jew, or atheist should be treated like shit or discriminated against just for being of that religion (or non-religion).
What's the phobia where you're afraid of running out of booze?
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on October 25, 2016, 05:10:29 PM
What's the phobia where you're afraid of running out of booze?
They just call that alcoholism.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on October 13, 2016, 09:34:30 AM
I learned a new word today: Christianophobia.
When muslims start ranting about Jews or Israel call them a Judeophobe and watch their reaction.
Perhaps it's long overdue for people to stop using the slur Islamophobe with critics of Islam
Quote from: FaithIsFilth on October 25, 2016, 01:51:48 PM
Anti-Muslim bigotry is a very big problem in the West. Islamaphobia is a term that was invented by a Muslim trying to make the point that you're a bigot for criticizing a religion. That is dumb, so I don't accept the term, but anti-Muslim bigotry is a very real problem.
If someone thinks the term Christianophobe is stupid and doesn't want to use it, that's fine too. If they think "here comes the crazy" when they see someone talking about their religion, that's fine too, as long as they don't think that Christian, Muslim, Jew, or atheist should be treated like shit or discriminated against just for being of that religion (or non-religion).
It really depends on the religion. I think it's appropriate to discriminate against a religion or ideology if it's core doctrine promotes coercive violence to spread or enforce their belief. I look at Christian and Jewish doctrine and there is no threat, just as I see atheists as no threat. I look at Islamic doctrine, however, and I see a threat, especially if you're gay, trans, atheist, Christian, Jew, and just about anyone who's not Muslim.
Now if Christians and Jews started enforcing Leviticus law with their proscribed punishments again, then by all means, discriminate. And if the vast majority of Islamic countries didn't enforce Sharia law through violence, up to and including death, I might agree with you.
Quote from: Jack89 on October 25, 2016, 08:25:39 PM
It really depends on the religion. I think it's appropriate to discriminate against a religion or ideology if it's core doctrine promotes coercive violence to spread or enforce their belief. I look at Christian and Jewish doctrine and there is no threat, just as I see atheists as no threat. I look at Islamic doctrine, however, and I see a threat, especially if you're gay, trans, atheist, Christian, Jew, and just about anyone who's not Muslim.
Now if Christians and Jews started enforcing Leviticus law with their proscribed punishments again, then by all means, discriminate. And if the vast majority of Islamic countries didn't enforce Sharia law through violence, up to and including death, I might agree with you.
Even Muslims aren't safe from Muslims. When Muslims differ in their beliefs in the slightest, they're called "hypocrites." These people are not "real Muslims" and are fair game. Seriously, if we were still living in the times before the Roman empire was formed, this kind of behavior would be par for the course. But in the 21st Century? This religion needs to die and die fast.
Quote from: Jack89 on October 25, 2016, 08:25:39 PMIt really depends on the religion. I think it's appropriate to discriminate against a religion or ideology if it's core doctrine promotes coercive violence to spread or enforce their belief.
Their core doctrines are similarly repulsive (it'd take a very strange reading of the OT to make it jive with modern social norms), it's just that adherents have by and large accepted Western secular norms to the point that the barbarism found in their holy books is now practically unthinkable to them. Unfortunately, that transformation has been decidedly less widespread in the Muslim world. Though of course, I'm talking in general terms - there are plenty of Muslims who have a very similar outlook as their Christians and Jewish counterparts. But even so, if you ask people questions that you think no sane, humane person could possibly support - like killing apostates - and a disturbingly large amount of hands shoot up.
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2013/05/death-penalty.jpg)
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on October 23, 2016, 01:11:49 PM
Just remember this. If you're an atheist you've proven that you don't believe in anything at all. Products made from the trunks of trees are called wood? Absolutely not. If you're an atheist you can't believe that because you can't believe in anything.
In fact, if you are reading this right now you can't possibly believe that I wrote it because being an atheist you can't believe anything including the possibility that you've actually read this far.
There is a difference in not "believing" in unproven matters and accepting observed facts. I accept wood" because I can observe it, test, it, act on it, etc. What I don't accept is that there are "spirits" in wood, and that is what theists can accept.
I can accept what you write as something you wrote because it is there on the screen. The MEANING and VALUE of what you wrote is entirely separate, but your words ARE there.
Is the difference between magical thinking and reality really so slight to you?
Quote from: Cavebear on October 26, 2016, 01:32:05 AM
There is a difference in not "believing" in unproven matters and accepting observed facts. I accept wood" because I can observe it, test, it, act on it, etc. What I don't accept is that there are "spirits" in wood, and that is what theists can accept.
I can accept what you write as something you wrote because it is there on the screen. The MEANING and VALUE of what you wrote is entirely separate, but your words ARE there.
Is the difference between magical thinking and reality really so slight to you?
Psst. I think they were being sarcastic.
I wasn't. I treat questions seriously.
Quote from: FaithIsFilth on October 25, 2016, 01:51:48 PM
Anti-Muslim bigotry is a very big problem in the West. Islamaphobia is a term that was invented by a Muslim trying to make the point that you're a bigot for criticizing a religion. That is dumb, so I don't accept the term, but anti-Muslim bigotry is a very real problem.
Yeah...but then Western culture is based on a massive hypocritical political correctness that defines every of its issues with other cultures, minorities and makes constant political benefit and economical profit from it.
Every other term to point out the racism and violent xenophobia is rendered useless by the culture, becaıse it defines itself free from it. And there is a need of a term to point that out. People get killed in the US because they look like muslims.
Any kind of term coined to express that vilent bigotry will get the same blacklash you express here. We cannot pretend that muslims and christians are in the same positions, because they are not.
Controlling the narrative, so that the ME sees itself as the West wants it to see itself ... is winning.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 26, 2016, 05:31:56 AM
Yeah...but then Western culture is based on a massive hypocritical political correctness that defines every of its issues with other cultures, minorities and makes constant political benefit and economical profit from it.
Every other term to point out the racism and violent xenophobia is rendered useless by the culture, becaıse it defines itself free from it. And there is a need of a term to point that out. People get killed in the US because they look like muslims.
Any kind of term coined to express that vilent bigotry will get the same blacklash you express here. We cannot pretend that muslims and christians are in the same positions, because they are not.