Tell me what Obama do that is not constitutional.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on August 22, 2016, 04:57:58 PM
Tell me what Obama do that is not constitutional.
There's nothing in the constitution that says a person can be elected if the lunatic right hates him.
He eradicated the dinosaurs and caused Hurricane Katrina
He is guilty of EWB: Existing While Black.
Voted for him twice, hate him forever (well until I get senile and forget him). Lots of crap is constitutional ... that isn't much of a criteria. I doubt that Hitler violated the German constitution.
His policies and style suck ... that is enough reason for me to hate him (but not personally). When he is out of office, I can forget, with some expensive therapy. I had Hope & Change and got neither. And I had to vote for someone I didn't like, second time around, because ... Mittens. Obama would make a good talk show host opposite Oprah, because he talks well ... sometimes.
My opposition has nothing to do with his ancestry, skin color or to support the peanut gallery in Congress. I disagree with his vision for America, in certain non-negotiable ways. The vision things I agree with, aren't happening anyway ... and some of them will be reversed eventually ... the status quo doesn't give up easily.
He is a democrat.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on August 22, 2016, 04:57:58 PM
Tell me what Obama do that is not constitutional.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/12/23/president-obamas-top-10-constitutional-violations-of-2013/#75d93f3241bf
(I'm pretty sure that most if not all of these are bullshit, but I figure we might as well air the other side's actual arguments and see what can be rationally defended and what can't be)
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on August 22, 2016, 04:57:58 PM
Tell me what Obama do that is not constitutional.
One argument is that he is usurping Congress and making laws. This is a two minute summary of a good debate on the topic.
https://youtu.be/JGgM4Ml9Zmc
He shape shifted in to a lizard
There's a pretty wide gulf between asking what he did wrong and what he did that is unconstitutional.
Unconstitutional? Probably not much. He's a little too free with those executive orders, but that's about it.
What he did wrong? Could fill a book with that if you go over everything his administration has done over the past 8 years.
He preyed on the cognitive deficiencies of the people with platitudes to generate a false sense of agreement and political unity. His campaign based on the slogan of 'change' in opposition to slogans like "the return to greatness' of trump perpetuate the phantasmagorical battle of progressives vs conservatives. A battle in which the front-lines are drawn over relatively meaningless issues the discussion of which never seem to address the fundamental disagreement and seems poisoned beyond healing in the mainstream political discourse.
Quote from: Nonsensei on August 23, 2016, 01:11:21 AM
Unconstitutional? Probably not much. He's a little too free with those executive orders, but that's about it.
He's nowhere near the most prolific at that, however.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 23, 2016, 08:53:34 AM
He's nowhere near the most prolific at that, however.
True story bro.
(http://i1.wp.com/espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/mehta-datalab-executiveorders1.png?quality=90&strip=all&w=575&ssl=1)
What he did wrong had nothing to do with the constitution. Obama taught constitutional law at Chicago University law school for 12 years. He knows the constitution better than most of the congressmen. His appointment of Eric Holder as Attorney General was a payback favor. Holder continued the DEA's punitive arrests of medical Cannabis users and providers and maintained Cannabis as a dangerous drug. He also made no real effort to pursue the Wall Street scions and bankers who were responsible for the housing bubble crash. Had he done so, it would have sent a very strong message to them.
Obama has also not followed up with support of the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau, another Wall Street/banker watchdog that has not been pursued and developed as it should be. Obama has painted himself more as a friend to Wall Street than a watchdog. IMO the biggest failure of his administration.
Even though the majority of U.S. citizens are in favor of medical Cannabis and the AMA and American Pediatric Association, among others, backed the rescheduling of Cannabis, he has done nothing to this point to further that effort. If anything he has stalled on it. My attitude about him is that he is a politician first and a reformer second. He has not shit in any of the power brokers nests, to say the least. And Hillary will probably follow suit if she is elected.
You know, I hated Obama when he was elected. But I actually started to like him last year after I saw his interviews with Youtubers like Swoozie. I do think that he does what he believes is right, and he has helped this country in many ways, much to the denial of Republicans. Now that we're likely to get either Mrs. Email or Mr. Wall to take his place, I wish that Obama would pull a Roosevelt and stay a few more terms. At least long enough for America to get its shit together and think about why, in a nation of 318.9 million people, those two were the best we could find to replace him.
But will we ever know the really important stuff, like...
[spoiler]"Boxers or briefs?"[/spoiler]
He did get elected twice while being a black Democrat AND proved unimpeachable, so, what a dick, right?
Quote from: widdershins on August 23, 2016, 12:59:12 PM
He did get elected twice while being a black Democrat AND proved unimpeachable, so, what a dick, right?
He
contrasted with Shrub a bit too much.
Quote from: KUSA on August 22, 2016, 09:43:48 PM
He is a democrat.
Marxist neo-liberal, like Hillary ... or just an opportunist with no values, like Hillary.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on August 22, 2016, 10:19:29 PM
One argument is that he is usurping Congress and making laws. This is a two minute summary of a good debate on the topic.
https://youtu.be/JGgM4Ml9Zmc
Every President does that ... because if he didn't usurp the powers of Congress, literally nothing would get done. All constitutional arguments are in the eye of the beholder, on the SCOTUS ... which changes its mind whenever it likes, or creates its won legislative mandate.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on August 23, 2016, 12:58:09 AM
He shape shifted in to a lizard
I wish, I like lizards better.
Remember when Obama took all our guns away and locked us all in FEMA camps? And then he allowed illegal immigrants and Muslims to force everyone to get gay married and worship Allah? That shit was crazy.
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on August 23, 2016, 11:51:06 PM
Remember when Obama took all our guns away and locked us all in FEMA camps? And then he allowed illegal immigrants and Muslims to force everyone to get gay married and worship Allah? That shit was crazy.
And he turned me into a newt!
^ You didn't get any better, too.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on August 24, 2016, 09:42:45 AM
^ You didn't get any better, too.
No, but I'm 121.92 meters tall, which makes up for it.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 24, 2016, 10:07:20 AM
No, but I'm 121.92 meters tall, which makes up for it.
Yeah, but you also look like this:
(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/godzilla/images/2/2d/Shin_godzilla_fully_exposed_by_hugeben-d9mn7ep.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160103234650)
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on August 24, 2016, 11:58:34 AM
Yeah, but you also look like this:
(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/godzilla/images/2/2d/Shin_godzilla_fully_exposed_by_hugeben-d9mn7ep.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160103234650)
Yeah, ain't enough moisturizer in the world...
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 24, 2016, 08:35:50 AM
And he turned me into a newt!
Hope not, Mr Gingerich isn't nice to his SO.
Meh. Fuckit.
He's a MOOS-LIM!!!!!
Quote from: Mermaid on August 24, 2016, 06:39:58 PM
He's a MOOS-LIM!!!!!
Supporter of Teddy Roosevelt? No wonder the rump-Taft wing of the Rethuglicans don't like him.
From what I understand, this happened under his direct orders. And while I'm no Constitutional lawyer, I'm pretty sure it violates something or other about the right to due process of law:
QuoteThe acknowledgement came in a letter signed by U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder sent that day to the Senate Judiciary Committee chairman:
Since 2009, the United States, in the conduct of U.S. counterterrorism operations against al-Qa’ida and its associated forces outside of areas of active hostilities, has specifically targeted and killed one U.S. citizen,
Link to article:http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2014/mar/19/kesha-rogers/four-us-citizens-killed-obama-drone-strikes-3-were/ (http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2014/mar/19/kesha-rogers/four-us-citizens-killed-obama-drone-strikes-3-were/)
Quote from: Baruch on August 24, 2016, 06:46:20 PM
Supporter of Teddy Roosevelt? No wonder the rump-Taft wing of the Rethuglicans don't like him.
I have to be honest, I never know what the fuck you're talking about.
Quote from: Mermaid on August 24, 2016, 06:51:15 PM
I have to be honest, I never know what the fuck you're talking about.
Bull moose party ... read some American history.
Due process only applies exceptionally ... if the cop doesn't shoot you for looking cross-eyed at him first. Why should the top cop in the land (the President) not get to kill folks?
Quote from: Baruch on August 24, 2016, 07:04:14 PM
Bull moose party ... read some American history.
Nice.
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on August 23, 2016, 11:51:06 PM
Remember when Obama took all our guns away and locked us all in FEMA camps? And then he allowed illegal immigrants and Muslims to force everyone to get gay married and worship Allah? That shit was crazy.
Yeah, I gathered he is still planning to invade Texas.
Quote from: Baruch on August 24, 2016, 06:36:47 PM
Hope not, Mr Gingerich isn't nice to his SO.
I had a t-shirt with "SHEWT NEWT" cruciform on a bull's-eye.
I've got one! He made the Republican party go nuts and kill itself and he did that by being a black Democrat who got elected twice and proved to be unimpeachable.
Quote from: widdershins on August 25, 2016, 12:38:28 PM
I've got one! He made the Republican party go nuts and kill itself and he did that by being a black Democrat who got elected twice and proved to be unimpeachable.
Heck, if he had polio they'd have to let him run for a third term.
Holy shit, I just figured out how Republicans could get Obama out of the White House TODAY! Just call the cops. He's a black man in a nice house! OF COURSE they'll assume he's burgling the place and haul his ass away! You're welcome, Republicans!
Quote from: widdershins on August 25, 2016, 05:26:06 PM
Holy shit, I just figured out how Republicans could get Obama out of the White House TODAY! Just call the cops. He's a black man in a nice house! OF COURSE they'll assume he's burgling the place and haul his ass away! You're welcome, Republicans!
They're already miffed that he never drives.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 25, 2016, 06:38:45 PM
They're already miffed that he never drives.
Except at the golf course. That isn't criminal, but now that Obama likes it, dammit, it should be!
Quote from: widdershins on August 26, 2016, 12:49:56 PM
Except at the golf course. That isn't criminal, but now that Obama likes it, dammit, it should be!
My wife says that he should come out in favor of oxygen.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 26, 2016, 12:51:41 PM
My wife says that he should come out in favor of oxygen.
Okay, I got an actual chuckle out of that one.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 24, 2016, 08:35:50 AM
And he turned me into a newt!
https://youtu.be/xzYO0joolR0
Yup..you didn't get better..
The only thing Obama has done wrong is try to be reasonable with the Republicans. The Republicans are not reasonable people; they are a gang of stupid, childish thugs. They oppose Obama because... well, just because. They actually have no reason for their opposition to him, so one can only surmise that it's 1) because he's black and 2) has a (D) after his name. Obama should have spanked them far more often.
Quote from: Baruch on August 24, 2016, 07:04:14 PM
Bull moose party ... read some American history.
Due process only applies exceptionally ... if the cop doesn't shoot you for looking cross-eyed at him first. Why should the top cop in the land (the President) not get to kill folks?
He's not the top cop (i.e., the chief law-enforcement officer). The Attorney General is.
Quote from: Atheon on September 01, 2016, 03:47:40 PM
He's not the top cop (i.e., the chief law-enforcement officer). The Attorney General is.
Yep, Nixon was Mitchell's bitch, yes? Same thing with the Bush Jr appointees or the Obama appointees? Which one is on their knees getting their mouth wet?