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Title: Red Dreams
Post by: josephpalazzo on June 02, 2013, 12:05:52 PM
Launch is scheduled for 2018, time enough for those who want to volunteer. Any takers?
There's a caveat:

QuoteMarooned on Mars
 
Mr Tito intends to simplify things by not landing. The Mars One project intends to simplify them by not taking off. Its four crew members, if they arrive intact, will live out the rest of their lives on Mars. They will build a settlement from their spacecraft and from inflatable living areas covered with regolith (the crushed rock that passes for soil on the planet). Nor will this be a one-off. Every two years the Martians will be joined by four more refugees from Earth, with the eventual aim of building up a full-fledged colony. As far as possible, they will produce food, water and materials in situ, though regular cargo launches from Earth will supplement these.

http://www.economist.com/news/science-a ... sions-show (http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21578637-mars-has-always-been-shangri-la-space-buffs-two-new-private-missions-show)
Title: Re: Red Dreams
Post by: Solitary on June 02, 2013, 03:14:43 PM
8-[  It's not for me, I've been on enough suicide missions.  :rolleyes:  Bill
Title: Re: Red Dreams
Post by: Colanth on June 02, 2013, 03:29:39 PM
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"
QuoteMarooned on Mars
 
As far as possible, they will produce food, water and materials in situ, though regular cargo launches from Earth will supplement these.
Until one or two launches fail (What?  Our launches fail?  Never!), and the colony is reduced to X number of corpses.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on June 02, 2013, 04:38:57 PM
The question on my mind is: would they be willing to send gay couple?  :twisted:
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Post by: _Xenu_ on June 02, 2013, 05:02:47 PM
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"The question on my mind is: would they be willing to send gay couple?  :twisted:
Not likely. Its a bad idea when you're trying to start a colony.
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Post by: WitchSabrina on June 03, 2013, 09:20:18 AM
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"The question on my mind is: would they be willing to send gay couple?  :twisted:


As long as there are couples who can get that colony-startin-baby-makin thang covered, I'd say they Must send a gay couple of guys.  Otherwise the colony will be poorly decorated for sure.  Why go to Mars if you're just gonna have to live ugly?  You can get ugly Riiiight here.   :rollin:
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Post by: josephpalazzo on June 03, 2013, 09:38:33 AM
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"The question on my mind is: would they be willing to send gay couple?  :twisted:


As long as there are couples who can get that colony-startin-baby-makin thang covered, I'd say they Must send a gay couple of guys.  Otherwise the colony will be poorly decorated for sure.  Why go to Mars if you're just gonna have to live ugly?  You can get ugly Riiiight here.   :rollin:

You've got a point. This would need some decorshun--

(//http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/josephpalazzo/lifeonMars.jpg) (//http://s243.photobucket.com/user/josephpalazzo/media/lifeonMars.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Red Dreams
Post by: Plu on June 03, 2013, 10:33:15 AM
Quote from: "Colanth"
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"
QuoteMarooned on Mars
 
As far as possible, they will produce food, water and materials in situ, though regular cargo launches from Earth will supplement these.
Until one or two launches fail (What?  Our launches fail?  Never!), and the colony is reduced to X number of corpses.

They're going to eventually die anyway :P I'm pretty sure that's what they're signing up for.
Title: Re: Red Dreams
Post by: josephpalazzo on June 03, 2013, 11:33:39 AM
Quote from: "Plu"They're going to eventually die anyway :P I'm pretty sure that's what they're signing up for.

But who knows in a Martian atmosphere how long one can live?  According to bible truthiness,  Noah was 950 years old when he died. I mean Mars went through quite a few flooding for all those canals to be formed. If it worked for Noah, then anything can happen. The Lawrd is merciful. Amen.
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Post by: Hydra009 on June 04, 2013, 03:46:16 AM
Quote from: "Colanth"
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"
QuoteMarooned on Mars
 
As far as possible, they will produce food, water and materials in situ, though regular cargo launches from Earth will supplement these.
Until one or two launches fail (What?  Our launches fail?  Never!), and the colony is reduced to X number of corpses.
Meh.  Sometimes you Jamestown, sometimes you Roanoke.

But in all seriousness, it's really premature for a manned colony on Mars.  We don't even know how to safely get there yet, let alone live there.  Might be a good idea to sit on it for a while.  Meanwhile, the moon's an excellent candidate for some sort of base.  Might be a good idea to test out the kiddie pool before you dive in the deep end.
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Post by: Plu on June 04, 2013, 04:10:58 AM
From what I've heard "getting there" isn't really the problem. As we've seen from the Rovers. The impossible part is "getting back". Which is why they're skipping that part.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on June 04, 2013, 09:16:43 AM
How many people would tune in to that realty show on a daily basis? And how much in revenue would that bring in?
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Post by: Anonymous on June 04, 2013, 09:29:53 AM
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"
Quote from: "Plu"They're going to eventually die anyway :P I'm pretty sure that's what they're signing up for.

But who knows in a Martian atmosphere how long one can live?  According to bible truthiness,  Noah was 950 years old when he died. I mean Mars went through quite a few flooding for all those canals to be formed. If it worked for Noah, then anything can happen. The Lawrd is merciful. Amen.

Lard?
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Post by: _Xenu_ on June 04, 2013, 09:35:13 AM
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"How many people would tune in to that realty show on a daily basis? And how much in revenue would that bring in?
That really is the one reality show I would watch...
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Post by: Plu on June 04, 2013, 09:38:11 AM
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"How many people would tune in to that realty show on a daily basis? And how much in revenue would that bring in?

I would buy a tv just to watch that.
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Post by: Hydra009 on June 04, 2013, 11:38:04 AM
Quote from: "Plu"From what I've heard "getting there" isn't really the problem. As we've seen from the Rovers.
I was referring to the radiation/cancer problem (//http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/31/science/space/data-show-higher-cancer-risk-for-mars-astronauts.html?_r=0), which apparently is less of a problem than I thought.  (a slightly elevated risk of fatal cancer, but that's assuming mild solar storms)

And then there's the unfortunate reality that this colony, assuming it actually makes it that far, would not survive for long.

As I've said before, human space exploration may be a unnecessary endeavor.  We are rapidly approaching the point where our machines are far better explorers than we could ever hope be.  Perhaps not yet, but soon.  On the heels of robotic probes, we could send self-replicating robotic builders as the first wave of colonists, constructing habitats and infrastructure.  Then, humans could settle, but even that may be unnecessary.  This colony could send its own probes/builders to other planets/moons, daisy-chaining a string of settlements faster and far more effectively than human colonists could ever hope to accomplish on their own.
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Post by: _Xenu_ on June 04, 2013, 11:43:18 AM
Quote from: "Hydra009"As I've said before, human space exploration may be a unnecessary endeavor.  We are rapidly approaching the point where our machines are far better explorers than we could ever hope be.  Perhaps not yet, but soon.  On the heels of robotic probes, we could send self-replicating robotic builders as the first wave of colonists, constructing habitats and infrastructure.  Then, humans could settle, but even that may be unnecessary.  This colony could send its own probes/builders to other prospectively, daisy-chaining a string of settlements faster and far more effectively than human colonists could ever hope to accomplish on their own.
This would be a better approach when it becomes technologically feasible. Send humans later.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on June 04, 2013, 01:30:23 PM
Quote from: "Hydra009"
Quote from: "Plu"From what I've heard "getting there" isn't really the problem. As we've seen from the Rovers.
I was referring to the radiation/cancer problem (//http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/31/science/space/data-show-higher-cancer-risk-for-mars-astronauts.html?_r=0), which apparently is less of a problem than I thought.  (a slightly elevated risk of fatal cancer, but that's assuming mild solar storms)

And then there's the unfortunate reality that this colony, assuming it actually makes it that far, would not survive for long.

As I've said before, human space exploration may be a unnecessary endeavor.  We are rapidly approaching the point where our machines are far better explorers than we could ever hope be.  Perhaps not yet, but soon.  On the heels of robotic probes, we could send self-replicating robotic builders as the first wave of colonists, constructing habitats and infrastructure.  Then, humans could settle, but even that may be unnecessary.  This colony could send its own probes/builders to other planets/moons, daisy-chaining a string of settlements faster and far more effectively than human colonists could ever hope to accomplish on their own.

There are more people than you count who don't care of coming back. So far more than 80,000 have put their names on the list, and it's growing.

Radiation can be vastly reduced if the motherload is submerged in a bath of water.

Most of the technical difficulties can be overcome, granted one that will be serious is the effect of a long voyage in space on the human body. Hadfield who just came back from the ISS had issues with walking on his return after 5 months in space, even though he was on a strict and vigorous schedule of physical activities. But I'm sure someone will come up with some solutions.

The more pressing question is the financing: will this project be able to sustain itself over the long term?