"Ignorance. Atheism doesn't do anyone any good! You think you're smart but I would have to conclude you made an assumption based on your reality (whether your reality exists based on an assumption that it does exists) that knowledge has to be greater than God (with the assumption that God doesn't exist). Even with all the accumulated knowledge in this world, is there such a thing as infinite knowledge? Or is there a limit to knowledge? If knowledge is limited, how much do we know compared to the greatest amount of knowledge that can be attained? Can knowledge be measured then? What is the scale? What should our education be like if knowledge is limited? But if there were an infinite amount of knowledge, who can know it? How do we compare? In my worldview, God holds infinite power, might, and knowledge. The measure to knowledge is vast and expanded beyond what we can know unless you know the One who holds it. The measure is not how much I know, but how little I know compared to infinite knowledge. That is the reason I think atheist sound ridiculous. Of course, you would tell me I just made an assumption based on another assumption of what I think I know, which is another ridiculous argument altogether. Haha!"
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Sorry, arrogance isn't limited to theists. A good argument presented poorly ... will usually gather dust not kudos.
Often in theology, an impossible ideal is assumed as a stalking horse ... but it was born lame, and needs to be shot.
Quote from: DavidOller on August 11, 2016, 06:59:50 PM
"Ignorance. Atheism doesn't do anyone any good! You think you're smart but I would have to conclude you made an assumption based on your reality (whether your reality exists based on an assumption that it does exists) that knowledge has to be greater than God (with the assumption that God doesn't exist). Even with all the accumulated knowledge in this world, is there such a thing as infinite knowledge? Or is there a limit to knowledge? If knowledge is limited, how much do we know compared to the greatest amount of knowledge that can be attained? Can knowledge be measured then? What is the scale? What should our education be like if knowledge is limited? But if there were an infinite amount of knowledge, who can know it? How do we compare? In my worldview, God holds infinite power, might, and knowledge. The measure to knowledge is vast and expanded beyond what we can know unless you know the One who holds it. The measure is not how much I know, but how little I know compared to infinite knowledge. That is the reason I think atheist sound ridiculous. Of course, you would tell me I just made an assumption based on another assumption of what I think I know, which is another ridiculous argument altogether. Haha!"
What is your reply???
even if knowledge is infinite that is fine. Just because there are a whole lot of things we don't know doesn't mean we disregard what we do know. And what we do know is that the bible had a lot of things wrong. Just based on that alone is enough reason to stop believing in the fairy tale. but there are mountains of evidence out there to safely conclude that it's not very likely that there is a god.
If we stopped and said well we don't know that means god did it, Just think of how little progress we would make as a species.
I distill it to "You atheist think you're so smart but you don't know everything. Only God knows everything!"
I would agree it's drivel. It's just a bunch of words and thoughts that connect to each other rather poorly. But words and thoughts that barely connect or fail to follow a logical progression, followed "that's why I think atheism is wrong" is not an argument. I have words and thoughts, therefore butterflies are useless. Haha! Theologically speaking, this guy is a featherweight among believers.
Damn.
I'd ask him to boil his argument down to one cohesive sentence, then when he says 'you can't know everything, so maybe there IS a god', you simply reply "Nuh-uh!", and that means you've totally just won. Best case scenario for carrying on a conversation with that brand of stupid.
QuoteIn my worldview, God holds infinite power, might, and knowledge
What's the difference between infinite power and infinite might?
If God had infinite power (or might), then he'd also be infinitely massive, and even black holes don't have infinite mass. We see nothing in our universe that consists of infinite mass, therefore this particular brand of God does not exist.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on August 12, 2016, 08:25:34 AM
I distill it to "You atheist think you're so smart but you don't know everything. Only God knows everything!"
Not being prejudicial, but if that is the OP, not a quote by someone else ... then it is obviously immature.
Quote from: DavidOller on August 11, 2016, 06:59:50 PM
"Ignorance. Atheism doesn't do anyone any good! You think you're smart but I would have to conclude you made an assumption based on your reality (whether your reality exists based on an assumption that it does exists) that knowledge has to be greater than God (with the assumption that God doesn't exist). Even with all the accumulated knowledge in this world, is there such a thing as infinite knowledge? Or is there a limit to knowledge? If knowledge is limited, how much do we know compared to the greatest amount of knowledge that can be attained? Can knowledge be measured then? What is the scale? What should our education be like if knowledge is limited? But if there were an infinite amount of knowledge, who can know it? How do we compare? In my worldview, God holds infinite power, might, and knowledge. The measure to knowledge is vast and expanded beyond what we can know unless you know the One who holds it. The measure is not how much I know, but how little I know compared to infinite knowledge. That is the reason I think atheist sound ridiculous. Of course, you would tell me I just made an assumption based on another assumption of what I think I know, which is another ridiculous argument altogether. Haha!"
David this is a very weak (at best) argument for a god of any sort. Just this part of the quote --"The measure to knowledge is vast and expanded beyond what we can know unless you know the One who holds it. The measure is not how much I know, but how little I know compared to infinite knowledge.", is total hogwash; it makes all kinds of unwarranted assumptions. We have no idea if knowledge is unlimited or infinite. And if it is, so what? This ls like saying that building a 200 story building is so hard why even try? Why stop trying to learn all that we can? It will cause no harm and much good. Only a person or organization that directly benefits ignorance want people to stay ignorant--and that is every religion in the world. And yes, the measure IS what we know, not what we don't know. This is just another way of dressing up the same sad old religious thought that if god wants us to have it he will give it to us. Stupid and self-defeating beyond belief--yet very, very common.
And once again, David--what do you think? You must have had a reason for posting this.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on August 12, 2016, 08:25:34 AM
I distill it to "You atheist think you're so smart but you don't know everything. Only God knows everything!"
Yeah...it appears to boil down to exactly that.
There isn't really an argument there at all, or at least not a coherent argument.
Quote from: DavidOller on August 11, 2016, 06:59:50 PM
In my worldview, God holds infinite power, might, and knowledge.
That's great shecky. My worldview is different. Next.
Yeah that argument is pretty incoherent. I had a lot of trouble just trying to decipher what the authors point was. It seems like he threw in all of his jumbled ideas and the kitchen sink with out really thinking about it. If the author even knows what he was trying to say I'd be surprised.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on August 12, 2016, 08:25:34 AM
I distill it to "You atheist think you're so smart but you don't know everything. Only God knows everything!"
I distill it to "You think you know, but I KNOW".
Quote from: doorknob on August 13, 2016, 02:10:23 PM
Yeah that argument is pretty incoherent. I had a lot of trouble just trying to decipher what the authors point was. It seems like he threw in all of his jumbled ideas and the kitchen sink with out really thinking about it. If the author even knows what he was trying to say I'd be surprised.
That is not an uncommon part of the human thought process. When we attempt to prove something or predict an outcome, we often make strange leaps and bypass stumbling blocks that might prevent us from arriving at a desired conclusion. When we think, this is easier to do than when we write it down. That's why writing things down is often helpful in sorting things out. Although, I can't say it is for this guy.
I no longer care that someone believes in a god or not. If they want to brag from either side then bully for them. I'm not impressed either way. Atheists bragging about there not being a god is every bit as arrogant as someone bragging there is a god..
Ah! It's the old presupposition apologetic routine.
It basically rests on the premise that their god exists, and you are assuming a worldview where it doesn't. Rather than starting from a position of reality being the arbiter of truth, they start from the position that god is truth and any other truth has to come from that.
Nothing but a load of drivel. What the hell does "knowledge is infinite" even mean? I'm not even sure how the word "knowledge" is being used here. Is it "what is known" or "what is knowable"?
This is just someone saying a bunch of shit trying to sound smart without even having a clear point. It sounds like a "If there is too much for us to know then there must be someone greater than use who could know it all" argument, which, of course, is horse shit. Because I don't have two dicks doesn't mean that there must be someone greater than me out there who does.
It's shit worth only laughter and derision.
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Quote from: widdershins on August 17, 2016, 01:06:27 PM
Because I don't have two dicks doesn't mean that there must be someone greater than me out there who does.
I bet there is, though... :headscratch:
Quote from: Shukhov on August 17, 2016, 03:48:37 PM
It's shit worth only laughter and derision.
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Yeah, it's all fun and games until they've infiltrated the entire governing structure of our nation, as they've done in others.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 17, 2016, 04:20:36 PM
I bet there is, though... :headscratch:
Maybe. But then you could go the next step. Because he only has two dicks doesn't mean there
must be someone out there greater than him with three.