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Title: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: PopeyesPappy on July 22, 2016, 01:35:36 PM
CNN is reporting there are multiple fatalities and injuries after a shooting at a Munich, Germany shopping mall.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/europe/germany-munich-shooting/index.html
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 22, 2016, 01:51:48 PM
German NTV says 10, other sources say 15 dead. He is still at large. Again only one? Oh ffs kill him.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: stromboli on July 22, 2016, 04:28:53 PM
Munich- home of Olympics 1972 slaughter of Israeli athletes. Shooter not identified yet, we'll see.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Cocoa Beware on July 22, 2016, 10:03:08 PM
18 year old, this time an Iranian guy. It seems it no longer needs to be organized, it's gotten to the point where it's just lone wolves en masse.

How much influence does a group like ISIS have over Europe's Muslims? Perhaps more importantly, what exactly are they preaching in their mosques?

How widespread are hateful and intolerant interpretations like Wahhabism in Europe? I can't imagine much has been done to prevent this from being a potentially serious problem with chronic ostriches like Merkel running things.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: pr126 on July 22, 2016, 11:39:59 PM
Munich police chief Hubertus Andrae: “The motive or explanation for this crime is completely unclear.”

Could this be one?

Yusuf Ali: Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly. Quran 8:60

Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Atheon on July 23, 2016, 12:17:58 AM
Apparently they found the body of the shooter, who had blown his sorry "brains" out.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: pr126 on July 23, 2016, 01:00:05 AM
Quote from: Atheon on July 23, 2016, 12:17:58 AM
Apparently they found the body of the shooter, who had blown his sorry "brains" out.

No virgins for him then.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: pr126 on July 23, 2016, 02:40:04 AM
I think of the Quran as a hunting license for infidels and hypocrites (that is moderates to you) valid for all times, no bag limit.

To date about 270 million have been bagged by this license.
Many more to come. .
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 23, 2016, 04:08:55 AM
Quote from: pr126 on July 23, 2016, 02:40:04 AM
I think of the Quran as a hunting license for infidels and hypocrites (that is moderates to you) valid for all times, no bag limit.

To date about 270 million have been bagged by this license.
Many more to come. .

Yeah...an atheist calling moderate believers of a certain religion 'hypocrites', beacuse they are not extremists, but definning other believers of other religions are 'seculars' when they act different than some script orders. So when muslim immigrants start to assimilate to living in a Christian Western country, they are hypocrites. It's not just the extremists calling them his way, but most of the social media and the net almost altogether imposing this classification. 

I hope you realise how stupid this is. Do you?

And pointing this out I am sure is 'defending' the believers of the said religion; therefore 'apologetics'. Right? 

I think the problem of the world is not just that there are so many stupid religious people in the world, but that there are even more stupid atheists and seculars -considering their numbers and leading tendencies-  to go with them.



Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: pr126 on July 23, 2016, 04:27:22 AM
QuoteI hope you realise how stupid this is. Do you?
Not at all. see for yourself.

Hypocrites’ According to the Koran (http://www.faithfreedom.org/hypocrites-according-to-the-koran/)
Not my opinion, but it is from the core Islamic texts.

And also those happen to be the wrong sect, like Sunni, Shia, Sufi, Ahmadi, Alawite, etc. They are all on the list.

Since 1948 over 10 million Muslims have been killed by other Muslims.

This "purification" started right after Muhammad died.  Ridda wars. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridda_wars)





Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 23, 2016, 05:17:19 AM
Yeah a group of believers calling another group of believers 'hypocrites'. Think about that. How fascinating.

I expect you to defend your point of view at least from the level of average human intelligence, pr. Not from Ann Coulter's point.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: pr126 on July 23, 2016, 05:21:27 AM
It is from the Quran! Muhammad / Allah calls them hypocrites, not me.

How hard is it for you to read the source texts? I provided the link.

Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 23, 2016, 05:39:53 AM
Quote from: pr126 on July 23, 2016, 05:21:27 AM
It is from the Quran! Muhammad / Allah calls them hypocrites, not me.

How hard is it for you to read the source texts?

Why do you assume I don't know about the texts? Because I don't think in religious terms regard to these issues as you do? I can't do that even if tried. A part of text some god calling which group of believers hypocrites and who is not, is not something I can respond to. It's 'wqıfjw jkwfoperıp wqoepkfwprıwp'. It doesn't have any meaning.

I swear most muslims do not have faith in Islam as much as you do and they certainly do not read or think about it as you do. Look at the expressions you use. Do you think that comes off as sarcasm? It doesn't. It would come off like a mad religious rambling or some sort of a religious propaganda to anyone who hasn't known you online for the last several years. :sad2:

Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: pr126 on July 23, 2016, 05:55:34 AM
Give it a rest, shoe. Don't go on. Enough.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 23, 2016, 06:11:34 AM
Quote from: pr126 on July 23, 2016, 05:55:34 AM
Give it a rest, shoe. Don't go on. Enough.

*Shoe gives a rest to pr.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on July 23, 2016, 09:15:01 AM
Quote from: pr126 on July 23, 2016, 01:00:05 AM
No virgins for him then.
The few virgins I've encountered were pretty much just a PITA. (Pun may or may not apply.) Seventy-two of them would drive me to drink. (And it would have downsides as well.)
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Atheon on July 23, 2016, 10:08:36 AM
Born in Germany, of Iranian extraction. Iranians are primarily Shi'ites, who ISIS, being Sunni extremists, hate with a passion.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Atheon on July 23, 2016, 10:10:59 AM
Quote from: pr126 on July 23, 2016, 01:00:05 AM
No virgins for him then.
Yes, he gets 72 big hairy virgin dudes with gigantic cocks, eager for a gang bang.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Mermaid on July 23, 2016, 10:54:57 AM
No obvious link to ISIS.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/23/europe/germany-munich-shooting/
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: pr126 on July 23, 2016, 12:32:18 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on July 23, 2016, 10:54:57 AM
No obvious link to ISIS.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/23/europe/germany-munich-shooting/

As good as "No obvious link to Islam". 
How about "lone wolf"? Or mentally unstable? Or "we will never know".

Got it. Mentally troubled. Wow. Good one.

An epidemic of mental issues seems to plague the jihadist. What could it be?
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Shiranu on July 23, 2016, 01:20:42 PM
QuoteI swear most muslims do not have faith in Islam as much as you do...

This times a hundred. It's sadly funny how often pr and others will condemn anyone on their side because they don't fit his idea of Islam... the exact same extremist mentality that he condemns.

I really believe if you sat him down with a member of ISIS or a Wahhbist iman they would agree on more things than disagree...
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: pr126 on July 23, 2016, 01:48:48 PM
Quote from: Shiranu on July 23, 2016, 01:20:42 PM
This times a hundred. It's sadly funny how often pr and others will condemn anyone on their side because they don't fit his idea of Islam... the exact same extremist mentality that he condemns.

I really believe if you sat him down with a member of ISIS or a Wahhbist iman they would agree on more things than disagree...
So would I be a good Muslim or a bad one?
(A good Muslim is a jihadist, a bad Muslim is a moderate.)
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Shiranu on July 23, 2016, 02:14:37 PM
Quote from: pr126 on July 23, 2016, 01:48:48 PM
So would I be a good Muslim or a bad one?
(A good Muslim is a jihadist, a bad Muslim is a moderate.)


The fact that you use those terms as you do should answer that question for you.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: baronvonrort on July 23, 2016, 07:49:18 PM
Quote from: Atheon on July 23, 2016, 10:08:36 AM
Born in Germany, of Iranian extraction. Iranians are primarily Shi'ites, who ISIS, being Sunni extremists, hate with a passion.

In Australia the Lindt siege offender came from Iran, Curtis Chengs killer was an Iranian kid who was given his gun in a mosque.

Muhammad Ali was a shia who converted to sunni islam, Ali is not a name sunnis would choose.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: baronvonrort on July 23, 2016, 07:51:42 PM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on July 23, 2016, 05:17:19 AM
Yeah a group of believers calling another group of believers 'hypocrites'.

Allah calls them munafiqs (hypocrites).

Should we sugar coat this fact?
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on July 23, 2016, 10:34:33 PM
"Don't be Muslim, don't be Muslim, don't be Musl- FUCK!"

~Me, while reading the article.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Flanker1Six on July 23, 2016, 11:24:13 PM
Quote from: pr126 on July 23, 2016, 01:00:05 AM
No virgins for him then.

Very sad to see so many can't read the original scripts! 

http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=10121.0

Hope he doesn't mix up the orifice those raisons are supposed to go into! 

In fairness to this Munich asshole (why would I want to do that?).  I'm not so sure the guy was religiously motivated, and not just suffering from  psychosis, manic depression, or other severe mental illness event.   Possibly with a veneer of some militant islamic BS.   
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Shiranu on July 23, 2016, 11:32:27 PM
QuoteShould we sugar coat this fact?

You and pr are the only two who think that is relevant so maybe you could explain why anyone would want to anyways.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: pr126 on July 23, 2016, 11:57:50 PM
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on July 23, 2016, 10:34:33 PM
"Don't be Muslim, don't be Muslim, don't be Musl- FUCK!"

~Me, while reading the article.

Munich Jihad Shooting Exposes Media Double Standard (https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/07/munich-jihad-shooting-exposes-media-double-standard)





Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: pr126 on July 24, 2016, 12:15:15 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on July 23, 2016, 11:32:27 PM
You and pr are the only two who think that is relevant so maybe you could explain why anyone would want to anyways.
I can only speak for myself here.

I have learned about this toxic ideology from the Islamic sources themselves, the Quran, Hadiths, Sirat, and the Reliance of the Traveler (Sharia Law).

Not from hearsay of Muslim friends or the mendacious media.

One gets a different perspective of Islam this way.

In fact, before 9/11 I neither knew nor cared about Islam at all. It simply didn't exist in my mind.

I understand Islam much better now.

I also understand the left's fascination with Islam.
However, be warned. Islam does not share power. Ever. Read history, it is all there.

When Islam comes to power with your misguided help, it will devour you like any other infidels.
The left's usefulness was nice, thank you very much, but you are no longer needed.

You will get the same 3 choices as anybody else. Conversion, dhimmitude or death.
I think the majority will select conversion. From oppressed to oppressor by saying the shahada.

Not possible? Time will tell.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Shiranu on July 24, 2016, 01:50:30 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/23/munich-shooting-loner-facebook-ali-sonboly-bullied-killer (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/23/munich-shooting-loner-facebook-ali-sonboly-bullied-killer)

So a kid with a history of being bullied and who became obsessed with mass shootings... but clearly it was Islam, there could be no other reason!

Oh, and Brevik was one of his "heroes", who he used as a profile picture and the shooting was on the anniversary was. IIRC, Brevik was a huge Islamist who did his shootings in the name of Islam, so there must be the link.

Case closed, Islam is clearly to blame and psychology and actual reasons are just excuses for leftist apologists. And anyone who didn't immediately see the link to Islam was an idiot and a fool and the death of Western civilization.


Joking aside, funny enough there probably was an Islam link... in that he was bullied for coming from an Islamic country by people who buy your xenophobic bullshit. Once again pr, I wonder how you would feel if you weren't so dim to realise you preach just as hateful as ideology as the one you cry about...
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: pr126 on July 25, 2016, 04:41:42 AM
The Munich Massacre Is A Complete Coverup. The Munich Shooter’s Facebook Including His Family Background Shows He Is NOT Iranian But A Syrian Islamist Pro Turkey (http://shoebat.com/2016/07/23/the-munich-massacre-is-a-complete-coverup-the-munich-shooters-facebook-including-his-family-background-shows-he-is-not-iranian-but-a-syrian-islamist-pro-turkey/)
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on July 25, 2016, 08:24:34 AM
Quote from: pr126 on July 25, 2016, 04:41:42 AM
http://shoebat.com/2016/07/23/the-munich-massacre-is-a-complete-coverup-the-munich-shooters-facebook-including-his-family-background-shows-he-is-not-iranian-but-a-syrian-islamist-pro-turkey/
I figured you for that kind of thing on page one.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: baronvonrort on July 25, 2016, 10:17:40 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on July 24, 2016, 01:50:30 PM

Oh, and Brevik was one of his "heroes", who he used as a profile picture and the shooting was on the anniversary was. IIRC, Brevik was a huge Islamist who did his shootings in the name of Islam, so there must be the link.

Case closed, Islam is clearly to blame and psychology and actual reasons are just excuses for leftist apologists. And anyone who didn't immediately see the link to Islam was an idiot and a fool and the death of Western civilization.


Did they arrest one of the offenders muslim friends in connection with this attack?

Quote
It requires a high degree of stupidity or deception for anyone to claim an Iranian Muslim yelling Allah-O-Akbar was inspired by German right.
www.twitter.com/TarekFatah/status/756882361086799872
Even muslim journalists aren't buying the horseshit you lap up.




Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: pr126 on July 25, 2016, 10:41:33 AM
Truth does not matter. It's all so subjective.
Believe what feels right for you. It's all about feeling.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Shiranu on July 25, 2016, 04:40:56 PM
Irony.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Shiranu on July 28, 2016, 01:36:59 AM
Hmmm...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/23/munich-shooting-german-iranian-gunman-targeted-children-outside/

QuoteIt is now thought he targeted youngsters of “Turkish and Arab” origin, having claimed those groups had picked on him in school.

police discovered extremist material linked  to mass shootings, including the attack by Anders Behring Breivik, the white supremacist who murdered 77 people in Norway in 2011.

The massacre in Munich took place on the fifth anniversary of the Norway attacks and Sonboly had recently changed a profile picture on an online messaging service to one of Breivik.

So... pr and baron... how does it feel to know your hateful ideology is promoting terrorism across Europe? How does it feel to know the xenophobia you preach left and right is inspiring young kids to walk into a crowded mall, into a youth gathering, and open fire on foreigners and people who sympathies with them? How does it feel that your idiocy lead to people buying into the Brexit bullshit that has cost the economy and fucked over British youth?

Just curious. I guess this story probably isn't interesting anymore since it wasn't a Muslim. Now he is just a loony, a madman...
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: pr126 on July 28, 2016, 01:43:34 AM
Shiranu wrote:
Quotehow does it feel to know your hateful ideology is promoting terrorism across Europe?
You are a brainwashed 'useful idiot'.
Read the Quran if you want hateful ideology. It is full of hate.

Here is one for you, cretin.

Yusuf Ali
For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are the deaf and the dumb,- those who understand not. (8:22)



Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Shiranu on July 28, 2016, 02:01:47 AM
It must be quite painful to be on the losing side of history, mustn't it?


Maybe if you weren't so quick to condemn, you woulda praised him for taking a few of the vermin out. You gotta open your mind up, you made this guy an enemy when he was your hero!
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: pr126 on July 28, 2016, 02:10:25 AM
Do you really think the care what you or I say?

Here is what they care for:

Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah . We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone" Quran 60:4

Now get a brain.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Shiranu on July 28, 2016, 02:14:55 AM
I'm sure a non Muslim killing Muslims in Munich was doing it because the Qur'an told him to.

Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: pr126 on July 28, 2016, 03:53:28 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on July 28, 2016, 02:14:55 AM
I'm sure a non Muslim killing Muslims in Munich was doing it because the Qur'an told him to.
Please provide link.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Shiranu on July 28, 2016, 04:14:27 AM
Mate, your the one claiming that because of his ethnicity he did it because of the Qur'an, even though all evidence points to a kid who was bullied and snapped at Muslims. Additionally he idolized the poster boy of people who take your xenophobic hate seriously, Brevik.

If anyone has anything to prove, it's you. Your ideology is the same shit Trump peaches; feeding on the fears of people by claiming the "other" is all a potential rapist/gangster/terrorist out to get us and we must harden our hearts and become monsters to fight them.

Your hate is just an attempt to cover how much of a coward you are, who would prostitute his basic humanity and ideals of Western civilization.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: pr126 on July 28, 2016, 05:38:38 AM
You are projecting.

Again, please provide a link to your claim of a non-Muslim killing Muslims in Munich.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: pr126 on July 28, 2016, 08:19:14 AM
This is your future too America. Maybe a few years from now, but coming for sure.

Vote Hillary to make it happen sooner.

https://youtu.be/TODT5hvuNkM
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Jack89 on July 28, 2016, 01:48:09 PM
Quote from: pr126 on July 24, 2016, 12:15:15 AM
I also understand the left's fascination with Islam.

Please explain.  I haven't been able to figure it out.  Islam is contrary to nearly everything the left represents, yet they embrace and defend it.  Crazy.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: pr126 on July 28, 2016, 01:51:16 PM
Quote from: Jack89 on July 28, 2016, 01:48:09 PM
Please explain.  I haven't been able to figure it out.  Islam is contrary to nearly everything the left represents, yet they embrace and defend it.  Crazy.
I think Shiranu is better qualified to explain it to you. Ask him.

Meanwhile read here.

article one  (http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2014/06/the-lefts-blind-spot-with-islam-opposing-bigotry-does-not-mean-liking-a-religion/)

article two  (http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261674/why-left-cant-understand-islam-daniel-greenfield)

article three  (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=291)
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Shiranu on July 28, 2016, 02:38:56 PM
Quote from: pr126 on July 28, 2016, 01:51:16 PM
I think Shiranu is better qualified to explain it to you. Ask him.

Meanwhile read here.

article one  (http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2014/06/the-lefts-blind-spot-with-islam-opposing-bigotry-does-not-mean-liking-a-religion/)

article two  (http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261674/why-left-cant-understand-islam-daniel-greenfield)

article three  (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=291)


I'm quite indifferent about Islam, actually. You will notice I never post articles about it nor respond in threads I think are making justified and rational criticisms of it.

I think it's also a tad bit funny that someone who has 90% of his posts talking about Islam, even in threads with nothing to do about it, and who instantly assumes any act of violence must have been a Muslim would accuse anyone else of being obsessed with Islam.

The only thing I am "obsessed" with are xenophobes and bigots who hide behind an actual issue that needs to be addressed to spread their message of hate and intolerance. And I think that obsession should be universal, be you left, right, theists or atheist.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: pr126 on July 29, 2016, 12:23:46 AM
Shiranu wrote:
QuoteI'm quite indifferent about Islam, actually.
The word 'indifferent' should be 'willfully ignorant'.


Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Shiranu on July 29, 2016, 02:03:46 AM
Quote from: pr126 on July 29, 2016, 12:23:46 AM
Shiranu wrote:The word 'indifferent' should be 'willfully ignorant'.




Mm. I'll take "ignorant" over shaking in my boots over every shadow that might secretly be a Muslim trying to convert me to Allah and terrorism.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: pr126 on July 29, 2016, 02:15:29 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on July 29, 2016, 02:03:46 AM
Mm. I'll take "ignorant" over shaking in my boots over every shadow that might secretly be a Muslim trying to convert me to Allah and terrorism.
Ignorance is not always bliss.

Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Shiranu on July 29, 2016, 02:21:24 AM
Quote from: pr126 on July 29, 2016, 02:15:29 AM
Ignorance is not always bliss.



Fair enough. Guess it must not be ignorance then.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: pr126 on July 29, 2016, 02:52:47 AM
@ Shiranu

What is your opinion on the misogyny, gender apartheid, FGM, religiously sanctioned wife beating, child marriages, killing of homosexuals and apostates and denigrating all other religions, hatred to the point of mass murder by Islam?

Is it  - 1 OK, 2 indifferent, 3 it does not happen, 4 the question is bigoted, hateful and Islamophobic, 5 I am not touching this.


Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: pr126 on July 31, 2016, 12:39:47 AM
@ Shiranu

I see that you have chosen option 5 "I am not touching this."

As expected.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Shiranu on July 31, 2016, 01:01:19 AM
Quote from: pr126 on July 31, 2016, 12:39:47 AM
@ Shiranu

I see that you have chosen option 5 "I am not touching this."

As expected.

Thirsty much?

Actually, this thread has just sunk so far down while I was busy doing stuff... grocery shopping, book shopping, getting some iced hibiscus tea and humus, hanging out by the river checking out very lovely ladies and very fit men... stuff like that. Believe it or not, I only stop on here when I am at work or at home, so there are times when I cant see every post. But since you brought it back up to the top 5-6 active threads (the only ones I really look at), I'll respond...

QuoteWhat is your opinion on the misogyny, gender apartheid, FGM, religiously sanctioned wife beating, child marriages, killing of homosexuals and apostates...

Since you didn't give me the number that accurately represents my views on these things, it makes it hard to answer in your parameters. That said, they are issues that need to be addressed... and in many countries are addressed... where they pop up.

The Muslims I am surrounded by these are not an issue, besides misogyny (which is hardly a Muslim thing). FGM is not even the majority of Muslims outside of the Western world, so that one should be dealt with as an Central/North African issue instead (especially given that it is, again, a practice far predating Abrahamic religions). Wife beating, killing of the LGBTQ community, etc. should be treated the same way we treat it for everyone else.

Quote...denigrating all other religions, hatred to the point of mass murder by Islam?

Mass murder by Islam... I am assuming you mean by denigrating all other the religions. If I misread that, then my bad. But if I read it correctly, you realise the biggest victims of Islamic murder is other Muslims, right?

Otherwise, they commit mass murder, sure. So do people of your ideology. We have a presidential candidate who encourages war crimes and deportation of citizens for being Muslim, we have people here who talk about threatening international aide programs and mass murder of civilians for being Muslim... we have people who go to a children's camp and murders 70-some people for being "Muslim sympathizers", we have a kid go on a shooting spree in a Munich mall to kill "Muslim-looking teens", we have people burning refugee camps and beating or otherwise harassing people fleeing civil war in the name of your ideology.

You do not offer a peaceful solution, you do not offer a sane solution, you just offer more of the exact same hate by playing upon people's fear. And when that blows up in your face you don't even have the balls to admit that they did it in your name.

There is no wonder your type are so good at playing upon people's fears, because cowardice is something you are well versed in.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: pr126 on July 31, 2016, 02:24:45 AM
We do have peaceful "solutions".

Flowers, candles, teddy bears, lighting up buildings and lots of crying.
Isn't that how wars are won?



Source  (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03/23/tears-teddy-bears-but-no-resolve-to-deal-with-islamist-threat-in-europe/)

(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/03/GettyImages-517041348.jpg)

What are your moderate Muslim friends are doing to stop the global holy war on infidels by their co-religionists?
Are They concerned at all?

Shiranu wrote:
QuoteOtherwise, they commit mass murder, sure. So do people of your ideology.
What is my ideology that inspires mass murder? What is this idiotic tu quoque?

Where or when have I incited violence in any of my posts?

QuoteOtherwise, they commit mass murder, sure. So do people of your ideology. We have a presidential candidate who encourages war crimes and deportation of citizens for being Muslim, we have people here who talk about threatening international aide programs and mass murder of civilians for being Muslim... we have people who go to a children's camp and murders 70-some people for being "Muslim sympathizers", we have a kid go on a shooting spree in a Munich mall to kill "Muslim-looking teens", we have people burning refugee camps and beating or otherwise harassing people fleeing civil war in the name of your ideology.

Where the hell are you getting your facts from? Loonwatch? SPLC?
Again, what is this ideology you are talking about that I supposed to have?








Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Shiranu on July 31, 2016, 03:50:11 PM
QuoteWhere the hell are you getting your facts from? Loonwatch? SPLC?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/23/munich-shooting-loner-facebook-ali-sonboly-bullied-killer (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/23/munich-shooting-loner-facebook-ali-sonboly-bullied-killer)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/munich-mass-shooting-shopping-centre-mcdonalds-gunman-ali-david-sonboly-depression-shy-germany-a7152501.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/munich-mass-shooting-shopping-centre-mcdonalds-gunman-ali-david-sonboly-depression-shy-germany-a7152501.html)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/calais-migrant-camp-fire-france-6830330 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/calais-migrant-camp-fire-france-6830330)









QuoteAgain, what is this ideology you are talking about that I supposed to have?

QuoteIsn't that how wars are won?

This idea that we are at war with Muslims. This idea that they are all coming to rape and kill us. This idea that people like Trump just might be right when he says deport them. This idea that these far right groups are in the right. This idea that any time violence breaks out, it MUST have been a Muslim because, you know, that's just how they are. This idea that "western civilization is being raped and destroyed by the Muslim barbarians". This idea that peaceful Muslims in our society, who are our doctors, who are our lawyers, who are our business owners, accountants, police, military, or just your normal working citizen, has to "prove" that they aren't like "the rest of them", even though the staggering majority of Muslims in the Western world are exactly the same as them. This idea that these people, because of where their parents were born, are a national threat.

You don't think that fear mongering leads to violence? I want to say I know you're not that stupid, but I don't actually believe that you aren't anymore. You're ideology of fear and xenophobia is leading to the largest rise of right-wing fanaticism in Europe since the likes of Hitler and Mussolini, and you just sit there cheering them on and then claiming, "No, no, no... I may agree with them 99% and cheerlead their ideology, but how does that mean I am egging them on?".


You refuse to do what you ask Muslims to do (condemn the violence done in the name of their ideology), but unlike them who don't even believe in the violent parts... you cheerlead the "right-wing jihad" on. I think you need to take that log from your eye before you want to talk about Islam being a violent ideology.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Shiranu on July 31, 2016, 10:24:54 PM
Oh, and I believe you must forget the several threads you posted outright lies in, then refused to fess up to. Perhaps it is you who is the ignorant one, when you fall for some of the rubbish you have posted.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: pr126 on August 01, 2016, 08:57:28 AM
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Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: SGOS on August 01, 2016, 10:07:51 AM
As skeptics, we have had a great run over the years mocking the 72 virgins of heaven, like it was mainly invented to lure 13 year old boys into Islam.  But let me ask you this.  Suppose it's true? 

Hmmm, I was intending to write something that would send a chill down everyone's spine, either frightening, enlightening, or inspiring. But when I read what I just wrote, I get nothing, nada, zip.

Edit:  This was meant to respond to the conversation two pages back.  Probably not any more relevant now than it was before I explained.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 01, 2016, 01:13:05 PM
How the hell does Munch own a shopping mall?
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: stromboli on August 01, 2016, 06:02:28 PM
Well you know I'm always seeking rationality and common sense, but I get accused of being a passive/aggressive, so fuck it.

Carry on.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: SGOS on August 01, 2016, 06:16:16 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 01, 2016, 01:13:05 PM
How the hell does Munch own a shopping mall?

I keep reading that way too.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 01, 2016, 06:43:44 PM
I was wondering what was being shot at whom? Not sure I wanted the answers to that.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: GSOgymrat on August 01, 2016, 06:51:26 PM
Quote from: SGOS on August 01, 2016, 10:07:51 AM
As skeptics, we have had a great run over the years mocking the 72 virgins of heaven, like it was mainly invented to lure 13 year old boys into Islam.  But let me ask you this.  Suppose it's true? 

Based on my history with virgins, I would prefer a heaven with people who have ample sexual experience and exquisite techniques.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 01, 2016, 07:50:12 PM
Quote from: GSOgymrat on August 01, 2016, 06:51:26 PM
Based on my history with virgins, I would prefer a heaven with people who have ample sexual experience and exquisite techniques.
At least ones that don't scream when you drop your drawers. Virgins should be required to watch a year of Youporn before taking their own knickers off in company.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: GSOgymrat on August 01, 2016, 07:57:24 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 01, 2016, 07:50:12 PM
At least ones that don't scream when you drop your drawers.

Personal experience?

https://youtu.be/KUnO4gK_56g
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 01, 2016, 08:20:33 PM
She never spoke to me again. Turns out I was lucky. The guy she married shot himself.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: SGOS on August 02, 2016, 06:44:59 AM
Quote from: GSOgymrat on August 01, 2016, 06:51:26 PM
Based on my history with virgins, I would prefer a heaven with people who have ample sexual experience and exquisite techniques.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: mauricio on August 03, 2016, 05:59:21 PM
Quote from: Jack89 on July 28, 2016, 01:48:09 PM
Please explain.  I haven't been able to figure it out.  Islam is contrary to nearly everything the left represents, yet they embrace and defend it.  Crazy.

It's because muslims are a minority group in the western world so they get triggered when you say negative stuff about them because they are the oppressed. Without contemplating the fact that, in the big picture, muslims outnumber the american and european population sizes combined. The islamic culture is spreading much more effectively and widely than the western culture. Liberalism is part of the western culture so if you care about that you should care about western culture thriving.
Title: Re: Shooting at Munich shopping mall
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 04, 2016, 10:17:15 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 01, 2016, 01:13:05 PM
How the hell does Munch own a shopping mall?
Munch, damnit, explain this shit.