From 'My Dinner with Andre' - 1981 Just 3 mins, watch it. Perfect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68JLWyPxt7g
I can go along with complacency and apathy combining to deter change. I don't know if I can go as far as wanting to stay where you don't want to if you can afford to move. Staying where you don't want is pretty hard to fight if you have the money to move. Now being comfortable where you are at, and also realizing it could be better by moving but you question whether in the end its worth it, most usually can be seen as cop-out.
The idea that we create our own prison and be glad to stay there seems a bit far fetched. I for one could not think of any scenario where I would try to convince someone else to stay in our happy prison.
Maybe a little too much nihilism for me, if that is the right concept, that we just blend in and as a whole fade away. As long as humanity has a healthy sex drive...there won't be too much boredom in society.
Interesting listen, but a touch too much tinfoil for me.
Civilization and its discontents. It has been inauthentic ever since we gave up on hunter/gatherer life style. There is nothing more exciting than being attacked by a lion or a bear. Did you watch the other clip .. "Inconceivable". People are saturated with civilization.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKIOKekXe5g
It took great effort to unlearn the modern POV, and re-experience the natural human way.
In Mahayana Buddhism, the idea of "skillful means" ... means that one employs whatever comes to hand, to recenter, reharmonizes the individual. Atheism for the theist and theism for the atheist. It doesn't pragmatically matter, if the tool is Mother Goose or Quantum Mechanics.
I think the New Yorkers that don't move is about them thinking that what they have is the greatest point achievable more or less. Doesn't matter how many different options out there in life, people actually never even consider most of them because 'the best option' is already defined and put out there.
In algorithms, the biggest problem is local maxima. Local maxima fool the search routine, so that more distant but greater maxima aren't attempted.
Quote from: aitm on April 29, 2016, 02:42:35 PM
Interesting listen, but a touch too much tinfoil for me.
I saw this video floating around facebook. I thought the exact thing about it.
Plus. It's a movie. This is like saying National Treasure is something to take as a source of actual fact.... and we all know there isn't a map to a pit of gold hidden on the declaration of independence...
It was never meant to be taken literally,lol. It's about how the world gets shaped. I don't get what is 'tinfoil' about it. I get the youngsters, but anyone who is over 40 should have a better view of the world and how did it change in years to thi spoint. And the conversation is giving a caricaturised view of that change. Because it is the same thing everywhere.
I find it interesting that you guys took it as some sort of a 'prophecy'. LOL
Of course it is a movie.
Americans have a hard time separating media from reality
Quote from: Baruch on May 01, 2016, 05:45:32 PM
Americans have a hard time separating media from reality
Yeah well, I keep forgetting the level of it. :lol:
Quote from: drunkenshoe on May 01, 2016, 05:50:43 PM
Yeah well, I keep forgetting the level of it. :lol:
One problem for us compared to even recent ancestors is that we are drowned out in news and rumor. A human being can't take it all in, without doing a reset the next day. The mental eyes simply glaze over. And if someone misses something (hence news junkies) then it is gone so quickly from view (if not erased) that it is as if it didn't even happen.
So for example there was a new article, just a few days ago, about ISIS threatening the lives of 2,600 New Yorkers, by name. But based on the TV news (which I don't bother with usually) this never happened. Years ago, if this had been printed in a newspaper, before TV, it would have been a front page scandal for months, with Congressional intervention etc.
I would use the word 'propaganda' instead of 'news' or 'rumour' though. And if you consider the isolation, it is a natural result. The paranoia, the fear people feel.
Because the important thing is that people in the US, doesn't matter if they are against or not have the convcition that the state will do what is necessary for them, because West= professionalism. See, that doesn't happen in the ME in a million years. :lol: While professionalism is very necessary for development, at some point, under certain circumstances it becomes delusional in the big picture.
Also obeying rules in general. Another part of development. Americans almost always obey certain rules. Another thing that wouldn't happen around here.
Add this two things together, put it down with propaganda in isolation...whoooho, you can't break that. You have a planet of its own with that size.
In the Roman Empire, unless you lived on the border, you rarely worried about the Germans or the Parthians. Civil war between competing emperors was a more likely danger.