http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/mississippi-governor-phil-bryant-signs-law-guns-in-church
QuoteJACKSON, Miss. (AP) â€" Gov. Phil Bryant has signed into law a bill that allows some members of churches to undergo firearms training so they can provide armed security for their congregations.
The Church Protection Act specifies that those designated can carry guns into church buildings. It also allows people to carry holstered weapons without a permit.
Republican State Representative Andy Gipson of Braxton says the law gives small congregations an option to defend themselves against attack. He proposed the bill as a response to the slayings last year of nine people at a church in Charleston, South Carolina.
The Mississippi Association of Police Chiefs has opposed the portion of the bill that loosens permit requirements. The group says it dismantles Mississippi's licensing system and makes it harder to check someone who has a gun isn't a violent criminal.
Works for me. Guarantee there ain't going to be any edgy sermons. Kind of hard to be challenging to a dude with a shotgun in his lap.
QuoteIt also allows people to carry holstered weapons without a permit.
This is the part I have a problem with. I rather it be regulated so you can know that a person has the mental capacity and training to use a gun.
Quote from: AkiraTheFighter on April 15, 2016, 09:21:42 PM
This is the part I have a problem with. I rather it be regulated so you can know that a person has the mental capacity and training to use a gun.
Same here.
It's a good idea to carry a gun when you go to church. You never know when some fucker might piss you off. Or you might just have a sudden urge to shoot the place up.
Just one more reason for me to not want to go to church in Mississippi. My gf's brother is a pastor in Mississippi and has a pretty developed case of dementia to go along with it.. He's a pretty decent guy though and his family treats the old man like an ATM.. Kind of sad . After Katrina he personally raised about $50,000 for people who lost their homes by driving around in his truck picking up scrap metal to sell..Did I mention that he has an old Italian machine gun from WWII sitting around the place?..Might be interesting to see him take it to church..
A Christian with a gun is showing a complete lack of faith, if you ask me.
The scenario is not complete without some vipers to test their faith. Guns, vipers, the whole shootin' match in one place.
Viper bites parishioner. Parishioner shoots at viper, misses, ricochet kills pastor. God's will, imo.
Headline: Armed Citizenry Accidently Starts Church Shootout: Pastor Pulls Gun and Restores Order After 30 Dead
Quote from: SGOS on April 16, 2016, 10:23:53 AM
Headline: Armed Citizenry Accidently Starts Church Shootout: Pastor Pulls Gun and Restores Order After 30 Dead
Some guy with a permit for automatic weapons could take out a whole congregation. Why am I not saddened by this?
Quote from: stromboli on April 16, 2016, 10:55:29 AM
Some guy with a permit for automatic weapons could take out a whole congregation. Why am I not saddened by this?
No need to be sad. They'll just get to heaven a bit sooner than they expected. :lol:
That might actually be the rationale behind the idea.
Why do you need a permit? Seems kind of silly. You can already carry concealed in Mississippi without one, if you're a resident. They must have a clause for carrying in churches.
It should really be up to the church.
Churches will now have a "No strafing allowed" rule.
The south is riddled with dipshit religious laws. I just read an article today (https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-allowed-run-least-12-140814377.html) about a woman who has had 12 daycares she owned shut down over 14 years, but because of a religious exemption in Alabama she just opens another the next day a town or two over. In fact, one web site checking into this law found at least 80 daycares which were about to be shut down by regulators which suddenly became religiously affiliated, allowing them to stay open with virtual impunity.
Personally, I don't care how many southerners are shot in churches. I call it "survival of the not dumb". If the south wants to pass laws that it's legal to open your beer with a bullet, in the long run that only means less stupid southerners. A kind of "win-win", as far as I can see. TO BE CLEAR, I said it means less "stupid" southerners, NOT that all southerners are stupid. It's a general trend, not an absolute truth.
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Oh, boy, what fun!
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Looks like someone could just snatch that pistol right out of there, huh?
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 19, 2016, 05:56:52 PM
Looks like someone could just snatch that pistol right out of there, huh?
Maybe, but without a magazine it might be hard to fire.
Quote from: Jack89 on April 19, 2016, 08:42:36 PM
Maybe, but without a magazine it might be hard to fire.
Wow! You are an observant one aren't you? I had to take another look at that photo.
You mean there was a law that said "that ain't government property, but we're going to tell you what you can and can't have there anyway"?
Nothing wrong with carrying in any 'ol place nowadays. As long as your intent is to effectively use deadly force ONLY to defend yourself, loved ones, friends, etc. when no reasonable alternatives are available, and imminent serious physical injury/death is the likely outcome of inaction by yourself. As always...........if they get the drop on you; carrying might not make much difference anyway.
Quote from: Flanker1Six on April 20, 2016, 08:49:32 PM
Nothing wrong with carrying in any 'ol place nowadays. As long as your intent is to effectively use deadly force ONLY to defend yourself, loved ones, friends, etc. when no reasonable alternatives are available, and imminent serious physical injury/death is the likely outcome of inaction by yourself. As always...........if they get the drop on you; carrying might not make much difference anyway.
And what exactly is the deadly force implied in going to church? The pastor gonna get the drop on you? If you have a gun to hand and a "situation" arises- an argument, road rage- and any threat is felt-implied or not- using deadly force to deal with it is simply too easy to achieve. There needs to be a reasonable distance between the identification of need and use of deadly force. You walk around open carry and your intent is what?
the mere presence of a weapon can be construed as intent. You walk into a situation where there are several armed men and somebody, anybody, gets lippy or in the least sense threatening you have a scenario for bloodshed based on very little provocation. Open carry is stupid. I cannot see any situation where open carry at some point won't lead to use of deadly force without provocation. You are betting on every redneck that can shoot a can be a logical, proper decision making individual.
And oh yes, I own weapons. And this summer I'm going to get a concealed carry permit. But in my state you have to prove you are not a psycho and take an approved course and pass an exam.
Open carry does not solve any problems. There is not a reasonable scenario where open carry would serve any real purpose but for the vanity and macho of the gun owner.
As my intro states; I'm a life long LE/CJ.contractor/security professional.
Additionally; I taught Use of Force/Deadly Force, crisis resolution/comms, hostage negotiation, disturbance control, amongst other topics for many years, and have been involved in 6 deadly force incidents (involving firearms) during my life.
I never said anything about open carry, where did you draw that assumption from? I am opposed to open carry though I don't think it's inherently wrong, but it does have a distinct likely hood of wierding out others who do not know your back ground, or skills set................to me; for that reason only; it is counterproductive and undesirable. I've been licensed to carry professionally since 1977, and privately since 1996. The only times I've ever carried openly is in the line of duty, usually in uniform with agency issued ID.
Sorry, I assumed open carry from your comments. Then you obviously know what use of deadly force implies. I have training in firearms from different sources and others on here as well. But I still cannot see a scenario where in a church the need for carrying a weapon is implied; unless of course you are talking about real threats. I personally can't think of a scenario where the use of deadly force in a house of worship is justified. Whatever. Your choice.
No offense taken!
Carrying a deadly weapon at any time, or any place is a significant responsibility. Once a bullet is down range, and out the barrel..................it's like the spoken or printed word...................you CAN'T take it back. I also commanded a former agency's ERT/SWAT Team for 2 + years...............I always told new members that no matter what; if you shot anyone................one of three things would occur. You'll have destroyed yourself, destroyed them, or very possibly both, no matter how right or wrong you were in shooting!
In case you're wondering: My six deadly force encounters all ended (combined) in a total of only two minor woundings; a little via skill and knowledge and quite a bit more through luck and circumstance!
Quite a few years after one incident......................I actually had one of the "potential targets" thank me for NOT shooting his ***! It's still one of the best compliments I've ever been paid!