https://youtu.be/82En_A0hijA
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Quote from: PickelledEggs on April 13, 2016, 02:44:39 PM
https://youtu.be/82En_A0hijA
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I'm not a feminist, but I can't watch a video from this retarded bald cunt.
Quote from: Jannabear on May 24, 2016, 02:07:08 AM
I'm not a feminist, but I can't watch a video from this retarded bald cunt.
Well fuck, dude. Why not tell us how you really feel?
Quote from: PickelledEggs on May 24, 2016, 02:48:10 AM
Well fuck, dude. Why not tell us how you really feel?
What do you mean?
Quote from: Jannabear on May 24, 2016, 03:55:40 AM
What do you mean?
You just knee-jerk in to a fit of anger and insults, that is what I was commenting on.... sarcastically.
What about this video is so appalling? The guy barely speaks in it, for one thing, and when he does, it's good conversation. He's hosting the conversation, it's the woman that is explaining why she isn't the feminist.
What I am seeing in the video is an academic who cannot make a healthy criticism of the culture she lives in and how individualism and freedom evolved in that culture under certain circumstances to shape everything in it. Again. Privilege demanding in American culture has nothing to do with Feminism or feminist culture.
The American identity is based on being privileged itself; 'if you are born as an American, you are privileged'. This is the base of your collective memory; it is your identity.
American concept of FREEDOM and INDIVIDUALITY is over all based on that
-freedom is being able to WANT and DESIRE everything and stopping at nothing to get it; infact the culture teaches people that they CAN and SHOULD get anything they WANT and DESIRE and that SHOULD stop at nothing come to that. WINNERS and LOSERS culture. You are either a winner or a loser. And that success; being a winner is based on wealth and fame alone. Gaining more privilege.
-while technically; on paper there is a system with many opportunities and choices and simple strict rules, THE WINNER is the one who beats that system and learns that you need to step on other people to reach somewhere at an early age. And the only way to be a WINNER is to gain wealth. Therefore in reality there a very few choices.
-individualism is based on raising people who think they are 'special' and 'deserve' anything just being born. Celebrating and rewarding mediocrity in many levels. Starting from elementary schools to universities.
-the American convcition that the individual is living in a place completely different than the world and standard human culture;
-constant bombardment of extreme right propaganda; spread of fear how everybody is against and out to get them, though they have given so much to the world.
The understanding of American freedom
-9 year old kids can dress up and compete in beauty pageants,
-people can shoot others to kill becuse they stepped on their land.
-they have a right to be 'armed against state'
-becoming a soldier and getting paid to travel abroad around the world to invade and kill is a job you do to get paid
Auto-Censorship in American culture:
-The standard censorship going on in the US does NOT need closing of websites, burning of books, people being silenced or anything being being prevented phyically. The university students demanding what should be taught or said or expressed in classroom is a result of your sterilised, isolated, hyped up culture. NOT one movement.
American culture itself already suppresses everything that doesn't fit the image in the giant in the mirror, automatically filters everything out. Hence my sarcastic, hyperbolic expression of "America is an upside down, successful version of North Korea" that pisses people off.
Freedom of speech:
-American freedom of speech is talking about how much freedom of speech American people have. (Have you ever heard of a Swedish, Norwegian or a Belgian or a Dutch or a Danish person talking about how much freedom of speech they have? You haven't. Because they actually have it, they do not need to talk about how much of it they have.
-Culture is so extremely self absorbed, nobody even registers or acknowledges anything different said out loud. It vaporises inot air.
-American culture doesn't tolerate criticism. You are either for or aginst it. Hence the very term anti-American.
-Anyone who really offers a criticism either has to be a stand up comedian or a some sort of obnoxious, extremist vlog or blog celebrity.
So let me get this straight. You build an Empire on fantastical notions and imaginary concepts that can never work in real life in the first place, create the most violent; most competitive capitalist system on the planet that works on pure greed; an individual identity of "I am privileged as an American; I want it to have it all and I want it now", a society with the egos at size of cathedrals, the more it screws up the more you pump it up and up by comparing their life with what's in with Middle East, scare them that everybody in the world is out to get them, isolate them from the world, arm most of them head to toe and dumb them down to the point of perceiving the world as their country; as if concepts and movements are defined by their own culture AND when a group of a movement simply get transformed to follow the first rule of the land, you SINGLE them out and show them as what is wrong with society and freedom.
:lol: Nice job.
Yeah. No. This approach is a perfect example of the level of the American AUTO-CENSORSHIP in general. Instead of producing a criticism of the culture itself turning anything into a hyped up show of greed and endless demands, people are picking groups and movements creating home cook definitions and solutions for what is happening AND voice it as their culture is a 'universal' one.
This will NOT work. Telling people -any group- that what they do is demanding privilege WILL NOT work. Heads up.
I sometimes read articles written about America's domestic problems and it is so frightening and painful because THERE IS BASICALLY NO mention of the American capitalist system, anything related to why ALL THESE EXIST IN AMERICAN CULTURE and other cultures in under its cultural influence, but nowhere else. No, not because they are not civilised. America is NOT even a first world country.
Nobody takes a step back and look "oh wait there is a problem with us, there is aproblem with the culture we produced. Something is wrong with the capitalism we have and we need to fight back against the culture it produced." No, why because there are no 'nuance(s)'. Only extremes and political correctness based on rhetoric and propaganda.
Do you really think that this 'feminist' censorship is NOT another result of the general cultural conditions that created your gun prolem(s)? Many others American society loves to pretend they do not exist. They all end up in the same point: this is a jungle. Anyone, any group will end up in the same, position be it right or wrong. There is no other way. It's the freaking culture. You are your worst enemy.
May be, these ridiculous demands of some groups and the resistence they will face WILL in future open a door to ground 'the spoilt brat's ass to reality, so may be something good will happen for American people in time. So good. So, I am glad there is conflict. It needs to get more intense and spread. There is no other way out. Americans need to 'cut each other's throats' and survive it. You did it before you can do it again and the world beneift from it. Hopefully, you'll get around to it before shooting each other.
Didn't Rabelais write about Gargantua? Isn't the US a Cromwellian incarnation of Hobbes' Leviathan? The US is a hegemony, for me this is better than letting Germany or Japan do it, if it has to be done for world order. Was Roman hegemony entirely bad in its day? Was Alexander wrong about his dreams?
Japan and Germany are still occupied ... why? Wasn't it mostly Russians and Chinese who died, because the US didn't join the League of Nations, didn't declare war on Germany in 1936 or Japan in 1931 or 1937? Nobody likes a hegemony, if you aren't part of it. Can hegemony be used for good, or is it necessarily evil? Turkey was a hegemony in its own region until 1914 ... did it do this for any good purpose? Or would it have been better to free all the people's outside Anatolia, and the minorities within Anatolia? Put Turkey in the hot seat as an alternative. This is not to say that the European powers had any good will toward Turkey or were giants of virtue. Had they been, WW I would have never even happened. And yes, the US is an extension of European culture, particularly the English version. Can't be helped.
What model in recent history (last 500 years) can you use as an example where nations treated each other as equals, rather than a pecking order?
Back on the OP ... don't have time to watch the whole thing, but I have listened to Molyneux before. Kind of a thinking man's conservative, and I always love non-American English accents. If one isn't open to reasoned conservativism then one will give the video a pass on a prima facie basis. This is no Rush.
No, Baruch. America is not Roman Empire, Gargantua, Leviathan, Mothra, Great Satan...etc or anything else.
It's a huge, culturally isolated country with people in it.
PS I apperaciate the a Rabelais reference used back to me though. Nice to see somebody is actually reading my posts. ;)
Again, centripetal forces vs Cenrifugal forces...same dynamics and old story going on. Nothing new or even interesting actually. Also the size, more like the concept of size and scale in American terms. Like what we call American plates and glasses; 'American portion' of food. (Not bad as gastronomical anologies go :p):lol: I have a lot to say about it, but need to work. Can't concentrate.
Man is there even one aspect of America you can't write an essay on how much you disapprove of it?
Quote from: Nonsensei on May 24, 2016, 09:57:37 AM
Man is there even one aspect of America you can't write an essay on how much you disapprove of it?
This is what happens when you study philosophy. It warps you........
Sorry Pickelled. I'm not wasting that much time on that subject. Somebody want to tl;dr or is it the drivel I think it is?
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Wow! The US is a monolith. :shucks: Damn it! Another train I missed. :holdtears:
Quote from: Nonsensei on May 24, 2016, 09:57:37 AM
Man is there even one aspect of America you can't write an essay on how much you disapprove of it?
Man will you ever stop being offended/triggered by anything written by me on specific subjects?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on May 24, 2016, 11:28:34 AM
Man will you ever stop being offended/triggered by anything written by me on specific subjects?
Considering that your goal seems to be to offend anyone you can, probably not.
You're approaching the point where you appear just as unbalanced in your views of America as pr126 is in his views on Islam.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on May 24, 2016, 08:02:13 AM
America is an upside down, successful version of North Korea
Talking with a stranger the other day, I used NK as an example. Anytime you wanna get that commune started, let me know.
Quote from: Nonsensei on May 24, 2016, 11:52:19 AM
Considering that your goal seems to be to offend anyone you can, probably not.
You're approaching the point where you appear just as unbalanced in your views of America as pr126 is in his views on Islam.
The irony is that you personally hate everything I wrote up about the culture you live in esp. in terms of 'winners and losers' aspect -which is the core of the problem(s). You hate that what people say and do is completely different. You hate political correctness. You hate the entitlement and the privilege this culture enables people to create under certain circumstances left and right. You hate that certain rules and laws do not apply to people with certain 'privileges'.
Yet you cannot handle a blunt criticism of everything you hate given by someone looking from outside and define it with someone who spends his time posting politically extreme right material. If you seriously think my ocassional blunt criticism on American culture over all is something even rometly close to what pr126 doing in this forum, then please go vote for Trump and stop addressing my posts. However I'd like to think you are intelligent enough to gather the fact that someone who hates a certain culture and its people, don't spend this much time with it.
But you know what, if that post was written in a political manner by another poster, you would agree with the most of it and add your own. Just be honest to yourselfa tiny bit. All you are doing right now -and every time I post something like this- is just verifying everything I wrote in that post as an individual.
Quote from: gentle_dissident on May 24, 2016, 12:13:22 PM
Talking with a stranger the other day, I used NK as an example. Anytime you wanna get that commune started, let me know.
It would be amazing if we could do such a thing. :celebrate:
At least we would just squabble about each other's opinions between 'pass the wine', 'whose turn to do the dishes?', 'take off my pjs off!'...pillow hits would be the most violent act. Sigh.
Quote from: stromboli on May 24, 2016, 10:03:14 AM
This is what happens when you study philosophy. It warps you........
Sorry Pickelled. I'm not wasting that much time on that subject. Somebody want to tl;dr or is it the drivel I think it is?
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It's not drivel. It's a well-reasoned conversation about why this woman doesn't feel that the feminism movement is a productive movement. And also, that even though she used to be a feminist (and explains why it feels great to be a part of the movement) it is not something that is reasonable to be a part of. She explains the inerrant flaws of feminism's ideology, the hypocrisy of it...
I guess you could call it wasting your time, but just as I spend (waste?) time looking in to this, you spend (waste?) time on other subjects.
Quote from: Nonsensei on May 24, 2016, 09:57:37 AM
Man is there even one aspect of America you can't write an essay on how much you disapprove of it?
She is Turkish. So has no reason to be pro-American. But she is wrong about the Roman line extending thru London to Washington DC. As a cultural student, she can't miss it. America isn't unprecedented ... I think she thinks we are unique, special, just like we like to think of ourselves. Rather than Cromwell on steroids ;-) She is correct about our psycho individualism and flip side ... brainless mass culture.
What did Chancellor Bismark say about "what is the most important fact of the 19th century?" ... that N America speaks English instead of German. And had Germany colonized here, rather than send a few million enterprising Germans here (to our benefit) ... then I would be typing this in German, and certainly the Kaiser would have won WW I, and there would have been no WW II.
Quote from: Flanker1Six on May 24, 2016, 11:18:22 AM
Wow! The US is a monolith. :shucks: Damn it! Another train I missed. :holdtears:
Please tell the Americans. It seems to me we are more like a mound of badly mortared bricks.
Quote from: gentle_dissident on May 24, 2016, 12:13:22 PM
Talking with a stranger the other day, I used NK as an example. Anytime you wanna get that commune started, let me know.
Marie Antoinette Clinton ... let them eat upside down cake!
It has been noted by other commentators ... that the US is now living thru inverted totalitarianism ... not the traditional kind.
Quote from: Baruch on May 24, 2016, 12:58:02 PM
She is Turkish. So has no reason to be pro-American. But she is wrong about the Roman line extending thru London to Washington DC. As a cultural student, she can't miss it. America isn't unprecedented ... I think she thinks we are unique, special, just like we like to think of ourselves. Rather than Cromwell on steroids ;-) She is correct about our psycho individualism and flip side ... brainless mass culture.
(He knows I am Turkish. He is not a new member. He just doesn't like me. I think he has some evil witch image cackling in his head wearing an 'I am drunkenshoe' t-shirt. Like some others.)
I'm nowhere remotely near pro-turkish either. I'm an anti-nationalist. You took it the other way around though, Baruch. Following the culture I criticised up there ( :lol: ) you easily miss that I grew up with American culture and it is impossible for me to avoid it or not have an opinion on most aspects of its culture. (Like many others around the world.) I don't think Americans are special, but I know that every culture is unique in some way, this is not necessarily a positive thing and it is very important when it is a huge scale like US. I know the power of American influence in many levels. Most Americans don't get that influence. They do not even have a clue of it.
I don't have to be against a culture to criticise it.
QuoteWhat did Chancellor Bismark say about "what is the most important fact of the 19th century?" ... that N America speaks English instead of German. And had Germany colonized here, rather than send a few million enterprising Germans here (to our benefit) ... then I would be typing this in German, and certainly the Kaiser would have won WW I, and there would have been no WW II.
Agreed. I even wrote this here long time ago. 'German lost by one vote.' :lol: I wonder though...do you think world really be different than it is now? ;)
Quote from: Baruch on May 24, 2016, 12:58:02 PM
But she is wrong about the Roman line extending thru London to Washington DC.
I didn't say that. On the contrary, I said 'NO, it didn't happen that way'. That's why I said USA is not Roman Empire.
Quote from: Baruch on May 24, 2016, 01:00:48 PM
Marie Antoinette Clinton ... let them eat upside down cake!
It has been noted by other commentators ... that the US is now living thru inverted totalitarianism ... not the traditional kind.
What I mean by 'successful version of North Korea'. That's quite an accomplishment though if you think. Not sarcasm. I am serious.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on May 24, 2016, 04:14:16 AM
You just knee-jerk in to a fit of anger and insults, that is what I was commenting on.... sarcastically.
What about this video is so appalling? The guy barely speaks in it, for one thing, and when he does, it's good conversation. He's hosting the conversation, it's the woman that is explaining why she isn't the feminist.
I didn't even watch the video, I've just seen some REALLY dumb shit from this guy.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on May 24, 2016, 01:19:06 PM
I didn't say that. On the contrary, I said 'NO, it didn't happen that way'. That's why I said USA is not Roman Empire.
What I mean by 'successful version of North Korea'. That's quite an accomplishment though if you think. Not sarcasm. I am serious.
I have to ask you drunkenshoe, I've never gotten the chance to.
Answer these questions for me, if you want to.
Are you a feminst?
Do you support hate speech laws.
Do you view white people and majority demographics in america as privileged, or do you view minorities as being disadvantaged, but majority demographics as being fairly treated in many instances, or do you not view it either way?
What's your opinion on MRA and Egalitarianism?
Thanks.
I've never really directly asked you this shit.
Quote from: Jannabear on May 24, 2016, 01:56:16 PM
I didn't even watch the video, I've just seen some REALLY dumb shit from this guy.
Ok. Well this is the only thing I've seen from this guy, so I wouldn't have guessed that he's made "dumb shit". Sorry that you let your biases get ahead of you though.
Quote from: Jannabear on May 24, 2016, 01:59:01 PM
I've never really directly asked you this shit.
You have been attacking on everything I wrote on this subject since the day you have become a member and you just realised this?
Jannabear you need to stay away from anything related to this subject. For your own good.
E: Yes I'm a feminist. And no, I will not get into a discussion with you in any of the topics above. You should leave yourself alone and rest.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on May 24, 2016, 03:01:32 PM
You have been attacking on everything I wrote on this subject since the day you have become a member and you just realised this?
Jannabear you need to stay away from anything related to this subject. For your own good.
E: Yes I'm a feminist. And no, I will not get into a discussion with you in any of the topics above. You should leave yourself alone and rest.
Once AGAIN... stop playing the victim. You have derailed this thread long enough.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on May 24, 2016, 03:47:29 PM
Once AGAIN... stop playing the victim. You have derailed this thread long enough.
At most times, you are clueless about what is going on in the forum, but sometimes you really talk so badly out of your ass, you really leave nothing to say, Draconic.
Who is playing the victim? What is the situation here that would victmise someone? She asked me a question and I gave her an answer. That's it.
I'm not going to stop posting in some thread because you don't like it. Get that? Good.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on May 24, 2016, 04:30:39 PM
At most times, you are clueless about what is going on in the forum, but sometimes you really talk so badly out of your ass, you really leave nothing to say, Draconic.
Who is playing the victim? What is the situation here that would victmise someone? She asked me a question and I gave her an answer. That's it.
I'm not going to stop posting in some thread because you don't like it. Get that? Good.
No, your post about hating americans in a anti feminist video thread.
Also suck my balls.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on May 24, 2016, 07:45:44 PM
No your post about hating americans in a anti feminist video thread
She does not hate americans, Drac. She was commenting with an analysis of hers. Re-read it before you start accusing people of things, thus starting an argument.
What she said COULD be summarized a bit better and a bit more concise, I would say. The point gets lost in the mass of words with her sometimes, I feel at least. But don't keep accusing her of things she isn't doing and even flat out said she isn't doing... many times.
ok so am i the only one that sees the anti american posts is not related to the video?
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on May 24, 2016, 08:32:55 PM
ok so am i the only one that sees the anti american posts is not related to the video?
No. I didn't watch the whole video but it seemed like it was 2 Canadians talking the whole time.
Quote from: TrueStory on May 25, 2016, 02:28:28 AM
No. I didn't watch the whole video but it seemed like it was 2 Canadians talking the whole time.
lolol
Quote from: PickelledEggs on May 24, 2016, 08:11:18 PM
What she said COULD be summarized a bit better and a bit more concise, I would say. The point gets lost in the mass of words with her sometimes, I feel at least.
Yeah...probably. But it's exactly how my mind works. I have the need the give the whole map of what I think with why and how. I am not writing after a feeling, but as a result of a thought chain. Complicated issues, not to mention in a second language.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on May 24, 2016, 08:32:55 PM
ok so am i the only one that sees the anti american posts is not related to the video?
No, it is completely about what is discussed in the video. It's a criticism of American culture and the cultures under its influence. Basics. See, 'I don't get it and I don't like it' doesn't cut it.
But even if I did write anti-American (whatever that means) posts related to nothing, it is really none of your business. Again. You do not have a saying over it. Balls or no balls.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on May 24, 2016, 03:01:32 PM
You have been attacking on everything I wrote on this subject since the day you have become a member and you just realised this?
Jannabear you need to stay away from anything related to this subject. For your own good.
E: Yes I'm a feminist. And no, I will not get into a discussion with you in any of the topics above. You should leave yourself alone and rest.
"for your own good"
Aka
"I'm a stupid dismissive bitch".
Quote from: Jannabear on May 25, 2016, 06:51:26 AM
"for your own good"
Aka
"I'm a stupid dismissive bitch".
You have posted a desperate post just a short time ago on your agony asking what to do. And I posted what I think you should. It was 'staying away from these subjects specifically and over all from social media and take care of yourself and rest'. That's why I wrote those to you inthis thread too.
And now you are acting like a spoilt brat and the piece of shit you actually are. I understand that you just pile on agony. With that bullshit^ you proved you do not deserve any respect what so ever and also that you are pretty stupid.
Now, get the fuck out of my face and wallow in your own shit. Couldn't care less about what you have to say on any subject.
Stefan Molyneux is a pretty intelligent guy but his videos are just too long, like drunkenshoe's wall-o-text posts. I usually don't have the patience to watch/read them even though there's likely some good content in there somewhere.
Quote from: Jannabear on May 25, 2016, 06:51:26 AM
"for your own good"
Aka
"I'm a stupid dismissive bitch".
1: Namecalling is against the rules and this isn't the first time I've had to remind you of that
2: I notice you cause yourself a lot of anger because you put yourself in the situation/conversation. Yes, to a point, there is an understandable amount of things to be frustrated about... but it's almost like you complain about sharks in the water and then jump in to a pool of them so you can complain more about them.
Chill out and stop unnecessarily berating other members.
Quote from: Jack89 on May 25, 2016, 12:19:24 PM
Stefan Molyneux is a pretty intelligent guy but his videos are just too long, like drunkenshoe's wall-o-text posts. I usually don't have the patience to watch/read them even though there's likely some good content in there somewhere.
Yeah it was a really long video. I didn't think much of it though because that's how long I usually expect podcast videos to be.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on May 25, 2016, 01:00:03 PM
1: Namecalling is against the rules and this isn't the first time I've had to remind you of that
2: I notice you cause yourself a lot of anger because you put yourself in the situation/conversation. Yes, to a point, there is an understandable amount of things to be frustrated about... but it's almost like you complain about sharks in the water and then jump in to a pool of them so you can complain more about them.
Chill out and stop unnecessarily berating other members.
scroll up a few posts and look at what she says.
This is why I address her this way.
But whatever, I can deal with her being toxic in countless posts but I finally call her our for it and this happens.
I didn't read or watch the rest of the video my mistake. I'm Sorry Drunken Shoe.