Here's a fun article (http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/eric-metaxas/another-biblically-historic-find-provides-evidence-mary-magdalenes-existence) entitled "Another Biblically Historic Find Provides Evidence of Mary Magdalene’s Existence". Quite an informative read, and some real insight into how historians determine what is "accurate history". Apparently there as a find in Israel in what is believed to be the ancient city of Magdala, where Mary Magdalene is supposedly from, of an ancient synagogue. This logic is a little trick to follow, but I'll try to paraphrase it for you. This is the city of Magdala, and they found an ancient synagogue in it. Magdala is where Mary Magdalene was from, so finding a holy site there proves people were religious. But that's not all! They also found a coin dating 29AD, about the time Jesus walked the earth! This proves that specific time actually existed! There was, without doubt, a 29 AD! Isn't that amazing? And "jigsaw" must mean "you", PROVING that Mary Magdalen, who was in no way linked to the site, was a real person, this was probably her house and Jesus (also in no way linked to the site) was almost certainly there! How could he have been there if he wasn't a real person, atheists?! Answer that!
How does having Jesus' sex fruit play into narrative? Or was that conveniently left out?
If you want to believe in a sky daddy who sent himself as his own son to die for all the sins in the world, then believing "Magdala was a real place that produced a real woman named Mary who probably had the wherewithal to support Jesus in his ministry and follow him all the way to Calvary," is no sweat.
Notice the word " probably" thrown in there to reflect a serious proposition.
Well, there's a lot of actual data there, enough to start a convoluted and non sequitur argument that comes to a desired conclusion and gets a bunch of ditto heads agreeing with the premise. And that accomplishes the objective (to get a bunch of ditto heads agreeing). And fuck the logic required to assemble the data correctly.
In other news, see God's Not Dead 2 in theaters now! It's getting harder to convince people the first one was not a crappy movie, but something that really, really happened to your cousin's, friend's, boyfriend's, ex-wife's, aunt's, friend's cousin, so re-up today! And remember, what you see on that screen is every bit as real as God!
TV isn't real? Heretic ... burn the heretic ;-)
Magdala wouldn't have been much more than a small fishing village, with an old defensive tower (a migdal hence magdala). They found a 1st century fishing boat near there some years ago. A coin that can be identified and dated ... can be useful in dating ruins, depending on where it is found.
Quote from: Baruch on April 05, 2016, 01:15:34 PM
TV isn't real? Heretic ... burn the heretic ;-)
Magdala wouldn't have been much more than a small fishing village, with an old defensive tower (a migdal hence magdala). They found a 1st century fishing boat near there some years ago. A coin that can be identified and dated ... can be useful in dating ruins, depending on where it is found.
You're missing the point. This was the town Mary Magdalene was from AND they found a coin from around the time Jesus was supposed to be walking around which IRREFUTABLY proves the Bible is a historical document with 100% accuracy and trumps all your stupid science and facts!
CNS news is a conservative xtian media source, so not necessarily unbiased. They also have an article about "How Gay Marriage Hurts Us" so I'd say they have an agenda.
Quote from: stromboli on April 05, 2016, 03:38:57 PM
CNS news is a conservative xtian media source, so not necessarily unbiased. They also have an article about "How Gay Marriage Hurts Us" so I'd say they have an agenda.
Oh yes, I have noticed this. I don't remember the article, but there was something a couple of weeks ago that was so Christian-right slanted that it just infuriated me. Stupid Yahoo page sometimes comes up with shit that's only "news" by the standards of Faux watchers and Bigfoot chasers.
Quote from: Baruch on April 05, 2016, 01:15:34 PM
TV isn't real? Heretic ... burn the heretic ;-)
Magdala wouldn't have been much more than a small fishing village, with an old defensive tower (a migdal hence magdala). They found a 1st century fishing boat near there some years ago. A coin that can be identified and dated ... can be useful in dating ruins, depending on where it is found.
And, as I'll bet you know, the
anno domini (http://dionysiusexiguus) dating system wasn't devised until 525 CE, by Dionysius Exiguus, so there could not have been any coin dated "29 AD."
Nipper could explain it to us.
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 05, 2016, 05:31:18 PM
And, as I'll bet you know, the anno domini (http://dionysiusexiguus) dating system wasn't devised until 525 CE, by Dionysius Exiguus, so there could not have been any coin dated "29 AD."
Not even wrong ;-) Venerable Bede, in Anglo-Saxon England, invented Anno Domini ... based on calendrical calculations by Dionysius Exiguus (really Easter calculations) ... who got it wrong by at least 4 years. That is why the King Herod the Great died 4 years before the massacre of the innocents in Bethlehem ;-)
Technically the date on the coin would be LIS = Year 16 = 29 C.E. ... basically the regnal year in the reign of Tiberius.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Procurator_coinage
Quote from: AllRight on April 05, 2016, 05:48:30 PM
Nipper could explain it to us.
Premise #1: the Bible is true
Conclusion: the Bible is true
It is actually not clear that the gospel writers intended to say that Mary was from Magdalene. If they had intended to say that she was from Magdalene they could have and, we should assume, would have. Instead they said that she was "called Magdalene" and refer to her as "the Magdalene". It is used as a name or title; maybe she was just really tall and never escaped her childhood nickname. There is also the problem that Josephus refers to the city as Taricheae, not Magdalene, in his writings.
You used the word "christian" and "logic" in the same sentence. Deduct three (3) internets from your account. Carry on.
Quote from: stromboli on April 06, 2016, 12:51:13 AM
You used the word "christian" and "logic" in the same sentence. Deduct three (3) internets from your account. Carry on.
Improper apostrophe use, too. Technically, a 4 point deduction.
Quote from: stromboli on April 06, 2016, 12:51:13 AM
You used the word "christian" and "logic" in the same sentence. Deduct three (3) internets from your account. Carry on.
Only 3 for THAT offense? Someone is feeling generous today.
Quote from: Hydra009 on April 05, 2016, 10:51:57 PM
Premise #1: the Bible is true
Conclusion: the Bible is true
How do we know the Bible is true?
Because it's the word of God.
How do we know the Bible is the word of God?
because it's true.
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 06, 2016, 06:23:42 PM
How do we know the Bible is true?
Because it's the word of God.
How do we know the Bible is the word of God?
because it's true.
Good theology is circular reasoning, because in that condition you can derive whatever you want, from whatever premises you choose. This is not accidental.
Of course it's not accidental - God ordained it! :weed:
Xtians love telling atheist they are going to hell!
It's like being told the tooth fairy isn't giving me money, or Santa won't give me presents.
Quote from: RCnal on April 08, 2016, 02:06:06 PM
Xtians love telling atheist they are going to hell!
It's like being told the tooth fairy isn't giving me money, or Santa won't give me presents.
They psychology behind this is intricate and fascinating. Essentially they are confirming to themselves that you will be punished for angering them in some way. It's a sick, twisted mindset in which one takes glee in the thought of the eternal torture of another as "just punishment" for, usually, an extremely minor offense, such as refusing to agree with the arrogant ass who can't tell "truth" from "belief". Mentally, these people are not that much different from hard-line Muslims. While they won't outright kill you for disagreeing, the do believe that you "deserve" an eternity of torture for disagreeing.
Quote from: stromboli on April 05, 2016, 03:38:57 PM
CNS news is a conservative xtian media source, so not necessarily unbiased. They also have an article about "How Gay Marriage Hurts Us" so I'd say they have an agenda.
Oh lawd, is it by teaching kids that gay people aren't absolute monsters?
Oh, another Biblical site has been found, therefore proving the Bible. Remind me again, how many times has the Ark been discovered?
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on April 08, 2016, 10:26:54 PM
Oh, another Biblical site has been found, therefore proving the Bible. Remind me again, how many times has the Ark been discovered?
Ancient Jewish writings aren't completely imaginary, just mostly ;-)
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on April 08, 2016, 10:26:54 PM
Oh, another Biblical site has been found, therefore proving the Bible. Remind me again, how many times has the Ark been discovered?
Yeah, it's not even that good. They already knew that where they were digging was a town from the Bible. That's why they had to do an archeological survey before they could build. So it's more like, "Because they found things where they knew things to be AND there was a coin there from around the time of Jesus, PROOF that Mary Magdalene was real because this is the town she was purportedly from! That proves Jesus was real, which proves he had magical powers, which proves God is real, which proves he really created everything, is worth worshiping and TOTALLY not a dick at all, which proves I am not at all stupid for being a grown ass person who still believes in magic."