I'm sick of hearing endless whining.
Millions die in africa per year due to lack of basic utilities and food.
Tens of thousands die in civilized countries due to lack of healthcare.
Thousands die in the middle east due to the shitfest the us created.
If you're going to be oversensitive about a tragedy where 30+ died, then why aren't you ripping your ears off whenever someone makes a joke about what happens in africa?
Oh...
Wait..
It's because your views on tragedy are completely selective.
Is the death of 30+ horrible, ofcourse, you're not going to catch me defending some fucking retards who killed in the name of their imaginary friend, they're evil scumfucks.
But if you're going to flip your shit and be welling to let the media bend your emotions over a table and fuck it in the ass, then where is your sadness for the millions who die from lack of basic needs?
It's quite ironic that a quote that sums up this hypocrisy is one that MAY have been spoken by one of the most evil people in history.
"The death of one is a tragedy, the death of millions is just a statistic"
The next person I hear bitching about this, but never mentioning anything else horrible going on in the world, I'm literally going to break my pc into 2 pieces and shove it down their ass.
To sum up their selective sensitivity in one joke.
"My name is jafar
I come from afar
There's a bomb in my car
I scream allah ahkbar"
I'll send you a box of tissues later.
What can we do about either?
Nothing worthwhile alone.
Quote from: dtq123 on March 27, 2016, 10:40:07 AM
What can we do about either?
Nothing worthwhile alone.
I would argue that dealing with starvation is an easier task then dealing with terrorism.
We spend 570 billion + on our military per year in america
It was estimated at one point by the un that 30 billion would practically end world hunger (I say practically because you can't exactly go into north korea or other dictatorships handing out food), but many regions have people who we could be helping by the millions for a 10th of our military budget per year, we'd be saving 100's of thousands, if not millions of lives.
But fucking isis in the ass at a SLIGHTLY lower rate isn't worth saving lives at a much higher rate, that's just facism, you're a commie, you like the terrorists!
Sorry, I had to parody what the average person in the area I live in would say to me XD.
There is money to be made in terrorism. There is no money to be made in feeding poor people. Welcome to Charles Dickens planet.
World hunger cannot be solved until:
The governments of those countries used ALL the funds and food they received to actually aid those who need it.
Birth control and reproductive health is brought up to some standard of normalcy wherein women have the ability to help control their own body.
Countries where the environment cannot sustain the growth of food or have any type of commodity that can be traded for said food should abandon the land and go the fuck somewhere else.
Such a compelling argument..
"I'm literally going to break my pc into 2 pieces and shove it down their ass."
I hope you have literally millions upon millions of PC's because just two pieces won't cut it..
But hey! Welcome to the world of hypocrisy where it's truly a miracle that everyone in Europe wasn't killed..just your every day ordinary dime a dozen miracle..
In this world there are atrocities going on every minute; if you knew about all of them you'd go probably go insane in a few hours (which is basically the best argument God cannot exist imo, as he would see all of this going on and remain derelict)
For better or worse it is human nature for us to identify with those we have more in common with, perhaps because the world our ancestors lived in consisted of a few square kilometers.
Its arguably an outdated way of thinking, but most of us dont know any better.
Quote from: Cocoa Beware on March 27, 2016, 12:40:27 PM
In this world there are atrocities going on every minute that you knew everything about you'd go probably go insane in a few hours (which is basically the best argument God cannot exist imo, as he would see all of this going on and remain derelict)
For better or worse it is human nature for us to identify with those we have more in common with. It arguably an outdated way of thinking, but most of us dont know any better.
Don't question it..God works in mysterious ways which is a much better euphemism than just saying god is completely insane and doesn't give a rats ass for 99.99999% of us, but LOVES him some Ted Cruz..
More people have died elsewhere, therefore these people dying is unimportant.
Interesting read.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/life-autopilot/201003/why-is-the-death-one-million-statistic
QuoteBut the collapse of compassion disappeared for the group encouraged to experience their emotions.
See y'all after work.
Quote from: gentle_dissident on March 27, 2016, 01:09:30 PM
Interesting read.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/life-autopilot/201003/why-is-the-death-one-million-statisticSee y'all after work.
Brains are just a set of chemical reactions. When one reactant is exhausted, the brain can't do X until it replenishes that reactant.
And besides, getting into all the sad things of this world, is depressing. "Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die."
Get used to it Jannah. You are going to hear a bunch of whining in the media about Muslims because the powers that be have to justify why they are taking people's liberties away. They are taking people's liberties away because the big bad Muslims are coming to get ya, so they need you to fear the evil, unhuman brown skinned people. This is shoved down people's throats so much that many of them have bought into the hype and will repeat this nonsense about Muslims being the biggest threat to their way of life. White people are going to care more about white people dying. That's just the way it is.
It makes sense that we as a society would have such a beta response to these terrorist attacks and act like whiny little babies every time we take a little hit that we in the west entirely had coming. It's like stepping on someone's neck, and then crying foul and calling that person the biggest monster in the world when that person gets up and throws a rock at you for stepping on their neck. White people have become so powerful that they've lost some of that toughness that put us in that top spot. We've become sheltered and weaker-minded, crying over a few terrorist attacks that we had coming and then some. Take your hits like a man, I say. Is that all you got ISIS? That weak shit is all you've got? Thank you, may I have another, ISIS? That should be our attitude here.
I wouldn't label it hypocracy. It's not correct. It's not fair. It's not as it should be, agreed fully. But it it perfectly natural and human.
Quote“Always the shit closest to home that hits you the hardest.“
- Marcus Fenix
When last year Paris was hit, the same day there was a mass-murder by other muslim-extremists in Africa. If I remember well, an entire village/city was wiped out, over a thousand dead. The news-coverage that night gave it a mention of about 20 seconds tops, as an aftermention behind hours of coverage on Paris. And I discussed that and felt, and still feel, that that's fucked up. But I understood it too. Because people aren't automatons, but emotional creatures. And the closer you feel to the victims, even if there are less, the greater a loss and distress you feel. Which will lead to more news-coverage.
That being said, I am all for appropriate allocation of funds aimed for the greatest good for the greatest number of people.
Quote from: Nonsensei on March 27, 2016, 12:46:30 PM
More people have died elsewhere, therefore these people dying is unimportant.
"Is the death of 30+ horrible, ofcourse, you're not going to catch me defending some fucking retards who killed in the name of their imaginary friend, they're evil scumfucks."
"Is the death of 30+ horrible, ofcourse, you're not going to catch me defending some fucking retards who killed in the name of their imaginary friend, they're evil scumfucks."
"Is the death of 30+ horrible, ofcourse, you're not going to catch me defending some fucking retards who killed in the name of their imaginary friend, they're evil scumfucks."
.....
Pls.
Objectively each person's life is of equal value but subjectively they are not. A mother is more distressed when her own child dies than when a neighbor's child dies than when a stranger's child dies in another country. We are social creatures and our empathy varies depending on commonality and perceived relationship, and relationship depends on many factors, not just proximity. The saying "We are all Parisians" in response to violence was a direct appeal to this relationship. Empathetic response to commonality and relationship is an adaptation that has allowed humans to work together in groups to survive. Expanding our sphere of empathy to include more people can be admirable but comes at cost. It can make problems appear overwhelming, "if I look at the masses I will never act," or can result in neglect of our close relationships as more time and energy is devoted to relative strangers. The reaction of Americans to violence in New York, compared to violence in Brussels, compared to violence in Africa makes sense to me when I look at it in this context.
Quote from: Jannabear on March 27, 2016, 10:32:26 AM
I'm sick of hearing endless whining.
Millions die in africa per year due to lack of basic utilities and food.
Tens of thousands die in civilized countries due to lack of healthcare.
Thousands die in the middle east due to the shitfest the us created.
If you're going to be oversensitive about a tragedy where 30+ died, then why aren't you ripping your ears off whenever someone makes a joke about what happens in africa?
Oh...
Wait..
It's because your views on tragedy are completely selective.
Is the death of 30+ horrible, ofcourse, you're not going to catch me defending some fucking retards who killed in the name of their imaginary friend, they're evil scumfucks.
But if you're going to flip your shit and be welling to let the media bend your emotions over a table and fuck it in the ass, then where is your sadness for the millions who die from lack of basic needs?
It's quite ironic that a quote that sums up this hypocrisy is one that MAY have been spoken by one of the most evil people in history.
"The death of one is a tragedy, the death of millions is just a statistic"
The next person I hear bitching about this, but never mentioning anything else horrible going on in the world, I'm literally going to break my pc into 2 pieces and shove it down their ass.
To sum up their selective sensitivity in one joke.
"My name is jafar
I come from afar
There's a bomb in my car
I scream allah ahkbar"
I'll send you a box of tissues later.
We are all morally selective because our morality is mainly based on empathy which is just an emotion with very limited capabilities of providing ethical guidance on it's own. I have no problem with people focusing on certain issues over others because they are closer to them, therefore they are infused with higher motivation to engage the topic in productive ways, as long as they recognize the limits of their perspective in the issue and try to build a more solid position that aspires to be rational and objective. It is only when people irrationally cling to their empathy based intuitions as if they are the ultimate answer to the "ought to do" question and refuse to acknownledge the existence of a bigger picture, that's when I have a problem.
If i see you criticizing the treatment of trans people i'm not going to call bullshit on you because they are pretty much an insignificant percentage of the global population. I would only do that if i think you are not engaging the topic rationally blinded by your empathy, because emotion and reason should synergize to create motivated and realistic solutions.
Carlin said once about bad news being fun.. The example he used.. 100 people killed in Pakistan.. Fuck Pakistan.. too far away to be any fun, but if it happens in your hometown people go LET'S GO LOOK AT THE BODIES!
It's kind of true when you think about it. When there's a horrific car wreck with people killed traffic crawls to a stop so everyone can get a good look at take pictures if they can. They're not slowing down to offer assistance or to try to avoid killing others who might be there to help. HELL NO! They all want bragging rights to tell their friends about all the blood and gore and guts they got to see out in front of Wallyworld.. Later they wring their hands and pretend to be outraged by careless drivers,but deep down they're happy they got to watch the show up close and personal.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on March 28, 2016, 01:50:47 AM
Carlin said once about bad news being fun.. The example he used.. 100 people killed in Pakistan.. Fuck Pakistan.. too far away to be any fun, but if it happens in your hometown people go LET'S GO LOOK AT THE BODIES!
It's kind of true when you think about it. When there's a horrific car wreck with people killed traffic crawls to a stop so everyone can get a good look at take pictures if they can. They're not slowing down to offer assistance or to try to avoid killing others who might be there to help. HELL NO! They all want bragging rights to tell their friends about all the blood and gore and guts they got to see out in front of Wallyworld.. Later they wring their hands and pretend to be outraged by careless drivers,but deep down they're happy they got to watch the show up close and personal.
This is why whenever I see there has been an awful traffic accident, or whatever comparable catastrophe, I have tried to remind myself to make a conscious effort to look away.
For one thing I don't have the stomach, and also I consider what it might be like from their point of view;
If I was mangled in a car wreck and have perhaps spilled my guts to some extent, I wouldn't want people gawking at me and saying stuff like "Dude!" "Thats fucking harsh!" "He's all fucked up!" "How'd his one leg get all the way over there?"
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on March 28, 2016, 01:50:47 AM
Carlin said once about bad news being fun.. The example he used.. 100 people killed in Pakistan.. Fuck Pakistan.. too far away to be any fun, but if it happens in your hometown people go LET'S GO LOOK AT THE BODIES!
It's kind of true when you think about it. When there's a horrific car wreck with people killed traffic crawls to a stop so everyone can get a good look at take pictures if they can. They're not slowing down to offer assistance or to try to avoid killing others who might be there to help. HELL NO! They all want bragging rights to tell their friends about all the blood and gore and guts they got to see out in front of Wallyworld.. Later they wring their hands and pretend to be outraged by careless drivers,but deep down they're happy they got to watch the show up close and personal.
Umm... I can't look at roadkill, much less a horrific car wreck, without becoming emotionally disturbed. I can't even watch those television shows where people do stupid things and hurt themselves. I have a visceral response when people or animals are actually injured and I avoid seeing those things.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on March 28, 2016, 01:50:47 AM
Carlin said once about bad news being fun.. The example he used.. 100 people killed in Pakistan.. Fuck Pakistan.. too far away to be any fun, but if it happens in your hometown people go LET'S GO LOOK AT THE BODIES!
It's kind of true when you think about it. When there's a horrific car wreck with people killed traffic crawls to a stop so everyone can get a good look at take pictures if they can. They're not slowing down to offer assistance or to try to avoid killing others who might be there to help. HELL NO! They all want bragging rights to tell their friends about all the blood and gore and guts they got to see out in front of Wallyworld.. Later they wring their hands and pretend to be outraged by careless drivers,but deep down they're happy they got to watch the show up close and personal.
Romans! Bring out the gladiators.
Nobody gives a fuck who dies how and where. European, Middle Eastern, Eskimo, African, American... It's estimated that 353.000 babies born each day around the world. You, me, the guy next door, that hot girl in the bookshop ...Human is the free expendable resource that can be manipulated in masses for free for more profit. The perfect herd animal. It's not sheep, it is people.
Islamic terrorism will end when it becomes less profitable and beneficial than it is cost. Basic principle of capitalism. You know, the one that worked. It just worked better than anyone could imagine. And these are the consequences now we live through.
And when it ended, capitalism will declare another enemy; a new boogieman. I have no idea if I'll see it ro not, but you youngsters might. And people will discuss the same things about that enemy; will make same kind of empathy; defend the same kind of outlooks over and over again.
Quote from: Baruch on March 28, 2016, 06:33:02 AM
Romans! Bring out the gladiators.
Vloggers and media, reality shows on TV are working much better. Why waste more money, energy and man power?