Radicalization. What is it?
All a Muslim has to do to be radicalized is to follow the words -- and imitate the conduct of Mohammed.
In effect to adhere to the teachings of Islam according to the Quran and sunna.
But that would imply that there is something wrong with the noble religion.
And that we are not prepared to do.
Telling the truth about Islam is RACIST.
Thanks, I got the memo.
Doing the same for any other religion is not racist.
The same goes for any form of fundamentalism.
Quote from: Atheon on March 25, 2016, 06:14:10 AM
The same goes for any form of fundamentalism.
Would you be called a racist for criticising Christianity?
I don't think so.
Quote from: pr126 on March 25, 2016, 06:35:56 AM
Would you be called a racist for criticising Christianity?
I don't think so.
I don't get micro-aggressed by what anyone might call me. Are you currently a student at an American college?
Actually many American Christians feel that they are being attacked racially, because they see Christianity as White, and feel micro-aggressed by welfare mothers from the hood.
Africa, Latin America, China, etc. in fact the majority of Christians are not white.
But for some Americans the world ends at their shores.
Anything beyond is Terra Incognita
Quote from: pr126 on March 25, 2016, 07:01:30 AM
Africa, Latin America, China, etc. in fact the majority of Christians are not white.
But for some Americans the world ends at their shores.
Anything beyond is Terra Incognita
Anything beyond America ... doesn't matter (until it does). The "special relationship" from our end, is that Brits are honorary Americans ;-)
Quote from: pr126 on March 25, 2016, 06:35:56 AM
Would you be called a racist for criticising Christianity?
I don't think so.
Christianity, like Islam, is not a race.
Quote from: pr126 on March 25, 2016, 05:00:37 AM
Telling the truth about Islam is RACIST.
Thanks, I got the memo.
Doing the same for any other religion is not racist.
Sorry, it was the closest Pierce moment I could find that reminded me of you... yes, there are some where he makes fun of Abed's Muslim heritage (the wireless "home protection" camera scene comes to mind, where he builds a camera that asks if it want's to invite his white friends in the house, but when it scans Abed it declares "Terror level has been raised to four") but the scenes just don't quite remind me as much of you. Either way, I think you and Pierce would get along smashingly, Britta would hate you, Troy would probably like you since most of the remarks would go over your head... though you are too one tracked minded and never say unintentionally hilarious things like Pierce did, so that might turn Troy off.
Actually, you and Pierce might not even get along, he at least has character depth. Your just like a poorly written extra on a shitty sitcom who has only one character trait the entire series and it's not even funny but just rather shoehorned in... ah well...
Quote from: pr126 on March 25, 2016, 05:00:37 AM
Telling the truth about Islam is RACIST.
Thanks, I got the memo.
Doing the same for any other religion is not racist.
You get this mainly on this forum due to a few assholes. I also post on other boards and you don't get that kind of vitriol from other atheists. My suggestion to you is to put these people on ignore... unless you enjoy this pointless pissing contest.
Shiranu,
you are wasting your time commenting on my posts. I will not change my views any time soon.
However, if it really bothers you, there is the ignore button you can use.
Have a nice day.
Quote from: pr126 on March 25, 2016, 12:04:24 PM
Shiranu,
you are wasting your time commenting on my posts. I will not change my views any time soon.
However, if it really bothers you, there is the ignore button you can use.
Have a nice day.
Ah how cute, he thinks I does it for him.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on March 25, 2016, 11:48:04 AM
You get this mainly on this forum due to a few assholes. I also post on other boards and you don't get that kind of vitriol from other atheists. My suggestion to you is to put these people on ignore... unless you enjoy this pointless pissing contest.
Yes, way too many Islamophiles here.
I am used to it.
But so much hypocrisy. Christianity is free for all to abuse. Islam is not.
Freethinkers? I think not.
Quote from: Shiranu on March 25, 2016, 12:08:13 PM
Ah how cute, he thinks I does it for him.
Of course you do. Otherwise you would not reply to my posts.
You are virtually stalking my posts.
I'm listening to BBC news about radicalization. IS looks to be operating like organized crime and using the same recruitment.
Prior to this, I caught some guy say something about thwarting thousands of plots. I don't know what the time frame is, but that's a pretty big racket.
Quote from: Baruch on March 25, 2016, 06:50:33 AM
I don't get micro-aggressed by what anyone might call me. Are you currently a student at an American college?
Actually many American Christians feel that they are being attacked racially, because they see Christianity as White, and feel micro-aggressed by welfare mothers from the hood.
I don't really care what others call me either, but when government officials avoid addressing the ugly aspects of Islam for fear of being called a racist, we have a problem. I don't have much hope of Western Europe hanging on to the culture I fell in love with as a young man. Good news if you're a fan of the culture of Islam though
I'm an American Christian and went to Holy Thursday Mass last night. I attended Mass with white, black, Hispanic, and Asian Christians and felt a social connection with every one of them.
Quote from: gentle_dissident on March 25, 2016, 12:20:45 PM
I'm listening to BBC news about radicalization. IS looks to be operating like organized crime and using the same recruitment.
Prior to this, I caught some guy say something about thwarting thousands of plots. I don't know what the time frame is, but that's a pretty big racket.
I would suggest that Islam is not the only religion acting like 'organized crime.' I'd suggest that all large organized religions act like organized crime.
Quote from: Jack89 on March 25, 2016, 12:21:36 PM
I attended Mass with white, black, Hispanic, and Asian Christians and felt a social connection with every one of them.
I wish we atheists could be so sociable. It would also help us organize.
Quote from: gentle_dissident on March 25, 2016, 12:25:01 PM
I wish we atheists could be so sociable. It would also help us organize.
But what crime should we specialize in? Oceans11 ripping off casinos?
Quote from: pr126 on March 25, 2016, 12:11:47 PM
Yes, way too many Islamophiles here.
Those who are not Islamophobes are not necessarily Islamophiles. I, for one, am neither.
1. I recognize that Islamic extremism is a great threat that needs to be dealt with. (The same is the case with any form of extremism.)
2. I also see Islam, as is the case with any religion, as a false belief.
3. I also recognize the fact that the overwhelming majority of Muslims are decent people with no desire to harm anyone, and indeed I have many friends and acquaintances who are Muslims of various stripes, from observant (but not extremist) to cultural (Muslim out of habit) to liberal (pork-eating and alcohol-drinking yet still mildly religious) to lapsed. I know that the reaction of these people when news of a terrorist attack is reported is often "God I hope it wasn't Muslims who did it!"
Well, yes. I do understand the need to reassure oneself about the moderate Muslims.
However, we must understand also, that no matter how many there are they are not helping Islam to get any better.
Simply because they cannot. Speaking out against Islam's teaching is very unhealthy.
Also the scriptures are against them.
The "extremists" have all the money, weapons and power.
They are the ones who own Islam.
Not the moderates.
Yes, celebrate the moderates all you want. But it is not going to make any difference.
"If you are not just posting gross blind hateful masturbative material with global doom, you are an asshole, hypocritical islamophile! There is no free thinking in this forum!" :rockout:
pr126, nobody gives a damn about changing your opinion. Without the few usual posters responding to your threads, most of them would fall flat.
Extreme criminals or moderate criminals ... humanity is a mess. So if everyone isn't a moderate criminal, we should condemn the moderates for not being more extreme? If the moderates went around exterminating the extremists ... then they would be the extremists. The actual agenda for a misanthrope ... and I should know since I am one ... is the extermination of everyone. Kill them all, let G-d sort it out. I just don't want to spend the rest of my days whining, or exterminating. I reject both alternatives. I will remain a moderate criminal, and keep my head down as long as I can, thank you very much.
Quote from: pr126 on March 25, 2016, 12:14:03 PM
Of course you do. Otherwise you would not reply to my posts.
You are virtually stalking my posts.
Yes, that's generally how a forum works; you post, people respond.
If you are offended by people not sharing your opinion then I am sure there are plenty of forums out there that cater to your needs.
QuoteYou get this mainly on this forum due to a few assholes. I also post on other boards and you don't get that kind of vitriol from other atheists. My suggestion to you is to put these people on ignore... unless you enjoy this pointless pissing contest.
Asshole mode engaged; Seriously, you throw people on ignore and then continue to put them on blast any and every chance you get, thread after thread... the exact opposite of "ignoring" them. You are not putting them on "ignore", you are hitting the, "I can talk shit about you all I want without having the common decency of having to say it to your face." button. You are a petty little crybaby who is still obsessed with the people he is "ignoring" and only knows how to talk shit behind people's back. Grow a pair. Thanks :).
Quote from: Baruch on March 25, 2016, 06:37:11 PM
If the moderates went around exterminating the extremists ... then they would be the extremists.
Wow, killing all those extremists is a pretty extreme thing for those moderates to be doing.
Quote from: Shiranu on March 25, 2016, 08:24:46 PM
Yes, that's generally how a forum works; you post, people respond.
If you are offended by people not sharing your opinion then I am sure there are plenty of forums out there that cater to your needs.
LOL. It doesn't work for you, apparently.
Warning! Could be offensive to some. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYgNFyuSo1g)
This is the kind of video where after watching it one has to find a safe place and curl up in a fetal position, rocking back and forth repeating the magic mantra "but most Muslims are peaceful, most Muslims are peaceful most Muslims are peaceful most Muslims are peaceful most Muslims are peaceful."
There, there. Feeling better?
Quote from: pr126 on March 26, 2016, 12:57:19 AM
LOL. It doesn't work for you, apparently.
...You really need to spend less time worrying about the Muslim hordes and more time worrying about your weak comeback game.
Quote from: Shiranu on March 26, 2016, 01:34:42 AM
...You really need to spend less time worrying about the Muslim hordes and more time worrying about your weak comeback game.
Do you find my weak comeback game more important than the Muslim hordes rampaging through the planet killing, raping destroying in their wake?
Maybe you could logically explain why should I change my views, opinion on this belief system.
Without using that tired old slogan "most Muslims are moderate".
If you can.
QuoteDo you find my weak comeback game more important than the Muslim hordes rampaging through the planet killing, raping destroying in their wake?
Just sayin'... if your going to throw shade at least try to have it make an inch of sense.
QuoteMaybe you could logically explain why should I change my views, opinion on this belief system.
I could, but I won't, because frankly that's not part of my agenda. My agenda is to fuck bitches and make money... wait...
You present argument A, I present argument B. People decide which one, if either, they prefer. I am not in the slightest bit interested in changing your mind anymore than I am interested in trying to convince Il Papa to renounce Catholicism.
QuoteIf you can.
Oh, trust me... I can make you change without saying a word.
(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/fma/images/d/d7/Alex.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090729214621)
Pity.
I would like to know of *any* favorable attributes this belief system has.
I am sure you have studied, researched Islam because you must have found it's good points which probably has eluded us.
Why not share them here?
Do you get uptight when Christianity gets criticised? Just Islam? Why?
Quote from: pr126 on March 26, 2016, 03:33:44 AM
Pity.
I would like to know of *any* favorable attributes this belief system has.
I am sure you have studied, researched Islam because you must have found it's good points which probably has eluded us.
Why not share them here?
Do you get uptight when Christianity gets criticised? Just Islam? Why?
They are against drugs. Any Muslim who uses any intoxicant, is an apostate.
Reaction to your posts isn't about Islam, it is about you. Do you enjoy the attention?
Against drugs? I don't think so.
Poppy growing in Afghanistan, and yes, they are using hashis and other narcotics.
They drink alcohol too, if no one can see it.
Nice try. Anything else?
I am used to ad hominems, it is used by people who have no arguments.
Quote from: pr126 on March 26, 2016, 07:30:23 AM
Against drugs? I don't think so.
Poppy growing in Afghanistan, and yes, they are using hashis and other narcotics.
They drink alcohol too, if no one can see it.
Nice try. Anything else?
I am used to ad hominems, it is used by people who have no arguments.
Good to have a thick skin. Helps when the Royal Navy is giving you a disciplinary flogging.
If the Quran is against intoxicants, but yet Muslims don't follow it ... then there are no true Muslims then? If the Quran were all powerful propaganda, then the Muslims would follow its injunction against intoxicants. Aren't you cherry picking like a Christian?
Quote from: Baruch on March 26, 2016, 11:45:04 AM
If the Quran is against intoxicants, but yet Muslims don't follow it ..
The Quran allows alcohol
www.quran.com/16/67
Quote from: baronvonrort on March 26, 2016, 06:58:04 PM
The Quran allows alcohol
www.quran.com/16/67
And the Bible allows slavery. At least in the Muslim communities I know about they look the other way. As I read it anyway, Muslims aren't supposed to ... but their imams nullify their scripture just as much as Christians do.