Here is a CNN article on who is voting for Trump. Basically he is the candidate of scared, racist, white people.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/27/politics/donald-trump-voters-2016-election/index.html
Same is probably true for Cruz. Lets hope they are outnumbered by people who aren't scared.
Not for nothing but I think CNN is probably not the place to go for an unbiased view of Trump.
Quote from: Nonsensei on January 27, 2016, 06:24:05 PM
Not for nothing but I think CNN is probably not the place to go for an unbiased view of Trump.
I will see if Fox News has an analysis on who is voting for Trump.
Trust CNN to write a fluff piece for anyone they can turn profit on and conversly a hit piece on anyone they can't. CNN IS THE new definition of yellow journalism.
It seems to me that a common dynamic when a country falls on hard times for people to get fearful and start grasping at straws. Sometimes a wild message gives people hope. There are probably a number of Republican voters that have noticed that the GOP isn't doing anything to help the situation, and with Obama as president, they seem to act as if they have personally more to gain if the country fails. That strategy was articulated by Rush Limbaugh 8 years ago, and the GOP has taken it to heart. Whether the country is in all that bad of shape is a matter of perspective. Granted, it doesn't appear that people are as wealthy or secure as they once were, at least that is the image we get from the media and some Republicans have turned that miasma of despair into a feeding frenzy.
But most people don't really want their country to fail. People start getting weird when they feel they are losing ground and see a bleaker future. Scapegoats are sought out, and people start making questionable decisions. Fear is not a great motivator of reason, I don't think. I think I understand Trump's appeal, but I can't stop thinking of him as doofus blowhard from a reality TV show. However, it does seem to me that there are good reasons for people to start rejecting political leaders that live by rules of political deadlock that don't serve the country well. It's becoming more and more apparent that political deadlock serves politicians better than the voters. But it's not helpful for the country.
I like how their signs say, "The silent majority stands with Trump."
Let's face it, they're not that silent and half of them probably aren't even registered to vote, and half of those probably can't read above a 3rd grade level. Silent majority...
Relevant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjjazwKCKXo
give your vote whomever you want but know that nothing will change in common men's life...
I couldn't find a similar article from Fox News but I did come across this article from The Atlantic which I found very interesting:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/donald-trump-voters/401408/
It is worth scrolling down to read the full answers.
Number 8:
QuoteTrump Knows It’s All a Jokeâ€"â€"“Many are right; it’s not about trusting Trump; it's a collective middle finger to the establishment… Trump isn't stupid, he gets it. He knows the more outrageous, the better.â€
Quote from: josephpalazzo on January 28, 2016, 10:12:41 AM
Number 8:
That maybe right. I noticed in almost all of the comments that it was never about Trump being a good president. Those that were, often gave absurd reasons for why.
The Trump phenomena is truly strange, although if I'm reading the comments right, it's about doing away with politics as usual, a broken system that needs to change. I just don't think Trump is the right choice for a lasting political makeover. As an independent, which he kind of is, he will have to battle not just republicans, but democrats as well. My brother-in-law was a part of a local group of independent voters who managed to put an actual independent in the office of mayor, a previously corrupt administration. The result was ineffective gridlock, where both parties teamed up to destroy the independent.
Quote from: SGOS on January 28, 2016, 11:43:40 AM
The Trump phenomena is truly strange, although if I'm reading the comments right, it's about doing away with politics as usual, a broken system that needs to change.
If a political upheaval and fresh approach to politics is all people want, I humbly propose that octopus that was good at picking World Cup winners as a more viable solution to revolutionary politics than Donald Trump. I would definitely submit myself to be governed by cephalopod before I'd put Donny T in charge.
Quote from: TomFoolery on January 28, 2016, 12:30:00 PM
If a political upheaval and fresh approach to politics is all people want, I humbly propose that octopus that was good at picking World Cup winners as a more viable solution to revolutionary politics than Donald Trump. I would definitely submit myself to be governed by cephalopod before I'd put Donny T in charge.
Trump just happened to throw his hat in the ring at the right time, I think. Voter despair has hit such a low that voters are grasping at straws. There is no law that I know of that says an octopus can't be president, as long as it was born in the US. But people assume the president has to be a person, so Trump is the next best thing.
I kind of understand despair. Well, as far as things going in the wrong direction, but it it's hardly like rock bottom yet. It's more like if it keeps going in this direction, could it reach a level that warrants despair? That's what makes it scary, and why imaginations are starting to run wild.
OOPS. Double post.
Trump just announced that he will eliminate Obamacare, but replace it with the Medicare For All, the single payer plan that it should have been. And fund it with increased/enforced corporate taxes. The sound you hear is the heads of the the R and D folk exploding. The I people are rejoicing. Trump isn't a reptilian overlord, but he is a Scanner.
The next President should be a corporation, now that the SCOTUS has decided that they are persons. Any company, initially incorporated in the US over 36 years ago .. should be eligible.
Quote from: Baruch on January 28, 2016, 12:57:20 PM
Trump just announced that he will eliminate Obamacare, but replace it with the Medicare For All, the single payer plan that it should have been. And fund it with increased/enforced corporate taxes. The sound you hear is the heads of the the R and D folk exploding. The I people are rejoicing. Trump isn't a reptilian overlord, but he is a Scanner.
The next President should be a corporation, now that the SCOTUS has decided that they are persons. Any company, initially incorporated in the US over 36 years ago .. should be eligible.
Corporations should pay their share to be sure. And they would no longer be expected to provide insurance from private companies, so it's not like they are going to see a loss in the balance column.
I remember reading some commentary that complained that single payer would raise everyone's taxes by $2000. So what's the problem? If you are paying $7000 right now, that would be a personal gain of $5000. And of course, that's an average. The poor aren't going to shell out $2000. Taxes will still be prorated as they are now. I don't think a lot of people see single payer as a gain, because they don't think about insurance costs if it's a condition of employment. Instead of your employer having to buy your insurance at $7000, they can get it at$2000, and increase your wages by $5000. Although, I doubt employers will want to increase wages. Such and idea is simply Un-American.
Quote from: SGOS on January 28, 2016, 01:07:57 PM
Corporations should pay their share to be sure. And they would no longer be expected to provide insurance from private companies, so it's not like they are going to see a loss in the balance column.
The truly stupid thing about that is that we have some of the highest corporate taxes in the world (as Republicans LOVE to point out), but so many loopholes that for the richest companies 100% of those taxes or very near are completely nullified. And contrary to what they say, Republicans don't want to do anything about that. They like having the high tax rate on paper to bitch about without corporations
actually having to pay it.
Is Donald Trump a Democratic secret agent? (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35066940)
I'm becoming very afraid at the possibility of Trump being elected.
Yes I know the majority of people support Sanders, or at least oppose even the thought of Trump or the other republicans being elected, but I feel like they ostrich themselves, putting their head in the sand and reject the reality that there are a huge amount of people that support trump. They unfriend and block trump supporters and then they forget how big of an issue he really is, thinking "There is no WAY Trump can be elected", when reality is, it is very possible... especially if the people voting democrat are so relaxed that they step aside on voting day and on't make it a priority to vote for whoever is not Trump.
I keep everyone on my facebook newsfeed that supports Trump. It scares me. And being scared from something like this is a healthy slap in the face that reality always proves there are people are always more irrational than you think.
The person who will get elected is exactly the person whom the billionaires want elected. Who knows what's in the hearts of billionaires? Only the Shadow Government knows...
We haven't had a democracy (if we ever truly did) since December 23, 2000, when the SCOTUS decided who would be president.
Trump comes off as a lounge act in Vegas, or perhaps Atlantic City.
If Trump really comes out seriously for Single Payer ... the R and D candidates can go home. Until after the Deep State assassinates President Trump, to get VP Palin into office ;-) "The People don't elect US presidents, God does." - Palin quote from 2008
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 28, 2016, 03:24:39 PM
I'm becoming very afraid at the possibility of Trump being elected.
Yes I know the majority of people support Sanders, or at least oppose even the thought of Trump or the other republicans being elected, but I feel like they ostrich themselves, putting their head in the sand and reject the reality that there are a huge amount of people that support trump. They unfriend and block trump supporters and then they forget how big of an issue he really is, thinking "There is no WAY Trump can be elected", when reality is, it is very possible... especially if the people voting democrat are so relaxed that they step aside on voting day and on't make it a priority to vote for whoever is not Trump.
I keep everyone on my facebook newsfeed that supports Trump. It scares me. And being scared from something like this is a healthy slap in the face that reality always proves there are people are always more irrational than you think.
I'm starting to think (or hope, at least) that it might not be too terrible. He really is a lot less right on most things than the other candidates. I'm actually hoping he'll get the nomination over Cruz. Don't get me wrong, I'm then hoping he'll lose, but I'm hoping he'll get the nomination.
Quote from: widdershins on January 29, 2016, 06:07:11 PM
I'm starting to think (or hope, at least) that it might not be too terrible. He really is a lot less right on most things than the other candidates. I'm actually hoping he'll get the nomination over Cruz. Don't get me wrong, I'm then hoping he'll lose, but I'm hoping he'll get the nomination.
I sure hope he loses too. I think this election more than any other, I've felt "Oh. Please no. Just.... no" towards an entire political party to the degree this severely.
I'd take Hillary or Bernie ideally. Mostly rooting for Bernie, but if it turns out by some chance that Hillary is head to head with the republicans, I won't feel too bad about it. Still 1000000000x better than any of those repubicans.
Can't vote for a president whose resting facial expression is "who farted?"
(Stolen from Seth MacFarlane)
Quote from: GSOgymrat on January 27, 2016, 06:04:12 PM
Here is a CNN article on who is voting for Trump. Basically he is the candidate of scared, racist, white people.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/27/politics/donald-trump-voters-2016-election/index.html
I can't see why my ex music teacher who is intelligent and wise vote for him
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 29, 2016, 06:24:57 PM
I sure hope he loses too. I think this election more than any other, I've felt "Oh. Please no. Just.... no" towards an entire political party to the degree this severely.
I'd take Hillary or Bernie ideally. Mostly rooting for Bernie, but if it turns out by some chance that Hillary is head to head with the republicans, I won't feel too bad about it. Still 1000000000x better than any of those repubicans.
Elections are mostly "dog & pony" shows ... to bad we only get dogs and no ponies ;-(
Either no good people run of office, because the system is fatally corrupt or
There are no good people.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 29, 2016, 06:24:57 PM
I sure hope he loses too. I think this election more than any other, I've felt "Oh. Please no. Just.... no" towards an entire political party to the degree this severely.
I'd take Hillary or Bernie ideally. Mostly rooting for Bernie, but if it turns out by some chance that Hillary is head to head with the republicans, I won't feel too bad about it. Still 1000000000x better than any of those repubicans.
As far as I can see either the Republicans are far more terrified of running against Hillary or they just can't find any shit on Bernie. Of course, that's not saying their terror of running against here is necessarily about their odds of beating her. It may just be that they don't want another Clinton, Bill being very popular in his time and generally considered to have been a pretty good president overall, especially when you mention the balanced budget (which they still hotly contest). Of course, he had to work with Republicans to do that and because of that he also did some total shit things, like DoMA. But still, I think most non-Republicans remember him fondle-y (:s_laugh:), so it's possible they just don't want another Clinton. Hillary, admittedly, is no Bill, but I think the thought of him back in the White House scares them.
Quote from: Baruch on January 30, 2016, 04:06:08 AM
Elections are mostly "dog & pony" shows ... to bad we only get dogs and no ponies ;-(
Either no good people run of office, because the system is fatally corrupt or
There are no good people.
It has been my observation that they type of person who WANTS a job in politics is not exactly the type of person one wants running things, generally speaking. They're not all lawyers because that's the best profession to be in if you want to pass laws. They're all lawyers because the type of person who generally wants to be a lawyer is also the type of person who generally wants to rule. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how it looks to me. And, of course, not that all lawyers are bad, but there are lawyer stereotypes for a reason.