According to my knowledge, atheism didn't exist as a philosophy until the 1700s, also called the Enlightenment Period. This was coincidentally the time of the struggle of American independence. The struggle for religious freedom evolved into the struggle for political freedom, because you can't have religious freedom without a government enforcing the rights of citizens. I think it was Voltaire who officially declared atheism the year of the ratification of the American constitution. Nietzche and Kierkegaard were two of the proponents of atheism. America was founded on individual rights derived from natural laws stipulated by God to Israel via the Law of Moses. So we are connected to the God of the Old Testament. I have never heard of any philosophy or cult called Atheism before the Enlightenment. There was Stoicism, Epicureanism, and the Rationalism of the ancient Greeks, but the Greeks kept their gods. None were actual deniers of deity. Atheism therefore sprang up along with its partner liberalism as a Satanic reaction against America, because Satan hates America. Atheism can never be proven, even if one could search the entire universe, because God is intrinsic in everything. We are proof that there is at least one first being who creates all form. Animals are proof of a Creator who needs not to be created. The generation of particles must occur by choice in a moment of real time-space. There must be some quality that is the life of the mind, and that must be from mind itself. Contrary to what many say, if you say there is no God, you must back it up. Why would it be up to someone else to prove the opposite? Atheism, like liberalism, is the philosophy and religion of the criminal mind.
To explain the title of this post, when I said atheism doesn't exist, I meant that it is an hypothesis with no theory. It asserts that there is no deity, but can't go further and give any rational explanation as to why no deity can exist. It thrives only on philosophy and liberalism, which uses government as a replacement for
God.
It sounds like you've got it all figured out.
Quote from: knowitall on January 09, 2016, 04:59:53 PM
According to my knowledge, atheism didn't exist as a philosophy until the 1700s, also called the Enlightenment Period. This was coincidentally the time of the struggle of American independence. The struggle for religious freedom evolved into the struggle for political freedom, because you can't have religious freedom without a government enforcing the rights of citizens. I think it was Voltaire who officially declared atheism the year of the ratification of the American constitution. Nietzche and Kierkegaard were two of the proponents of atheism. America was founded on individual rights derived from natural laws stipulated by God to Israel via the Law of Moses. So we are connected to the God of the Old Testament. I have never heard of any philosophy or cult called Atheism before the Enlightenment. There was Stoicism, Epicureanism, and the Rationalism of the ancient Greeks, but the Greeks kept their gods. None were actual deniers of deity. Atheism therefore sprang up along with its partner liberalism as a Satanic reaction against America, because Satan hates America.
Even if we take everything here as true. Doesn't that still mean atheism exists? I mean, even if it were a satanic ploy invented yesteryear; if it's here now, it exists.
Quote from: knowitall on January 09, 2016, 04:59:53 PM
Atheism can never be proven, even if one could search the entire universe, because God is intrinsic in everything. We are proof that there is at least one first being who creates all form. Animals are proof of a Creator who needs not to be created. The generation of particles must occur by choice in a moment of real time-space. There must be some quality that is the life of the mind, and that must be from mind itself. Contrary to what many say, if you say there is no God, you must back it up. Why would it be up to someone else to prove the opposite? Atheism, like liberalism, is the philosophy and religion of the criminal mind.
Let me fix that for you.
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Atheism can never be proven, even if one could search the entire universe, because there is no way to test for it. Furthermore it's not a scientific theory to be proven true or false, but rather the default position one should employ regarding the God-hypothesis if one is to hold intellectual honesty. And this position is warranted not by the proof of the lack of a divine creator but by the lack of proof in favor for a divine creator, and only until such evidence is brought forth and verified.
Right now, knowitall, I'm thinking you're baiting here or something. If you're not, please do and go make an intro-thread about yourself before spewing this bull.
Quote from: knowitall on January 09, 2016, 04:59:53 PM
Contrary to what many say, if you say there is no God, you must back it up.
I have never made any claim that there is no god. I simply question the claim made by so many that there is.
Quote from: knowitall on January 09, 2016, 04:59:53 PMWhy would it be up to someone else to prove the opposite?
Because you made the claim. Shifting the burden of proof is a logical fallacy on the level of elementary school. If I told you there was a tea cup floating in the space of our solar system, it doesn't fall on you to prove that there isn't: it falls on me to prove that there is.
Furthermore, I will go ahead and make that claim. Now go prove it doesn't exist. Oh, what's that? You don't care whether or not there's a tea cup possibly orbiting one of Jupiter's moons? Yeah, that's how I feel about God.
What proof do you have of any god or gods?
hold on
Quote from: knowitall on January 09, 2016, 04:59:53 PMSatan hates America
why. :017:
i mean in america you have gay marriages
women can walk around naked
blasphemers and satanist run around the place
and when was the last time you saw a virgin
satan probably hates saudia arabia that i can agree with. they follow the gods word
This guy's nuttier than candy bar shit.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on January 09, 2016, 06:24:38 PM
This guy's nuttier than candy bar shit.
Perhaps even nuttier than this guy's shits.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/5vrloi.jpg)
QuoteAtheism therefore sprang up along with its partner liberalism as a Satanic reaction against America, because Satan hates America.
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Using your logic, (and obvious lack of historical knowledge) there were over three hundred thousand gods being worshipped at the same time your's "came along". So again, by your logic, all those gods must exist as well. Remember the hatred is less if you don't pick any god than if you have the audacity to pick one over another. Good luck.
Quote from: knowitall on January 09, 2016, 04:59:53 PM
According to my knowledge, atheism didn't exist as a philosophy until the 1700s, also called the Enlightenment Period.
Your knowledge is wrong.
QuoteAtheism can never be proven
Atheism is a lack of theism i.e. a lack of belief in god. That's it. Saying atheism needs to be proven is like saying one has to prove that they don't like strawberries. Its idiotic statement which shows a lack of even the most fundamental understanding of the subject at hand.
QuoteWhy would it be up to someone else to prove the opposite?
Because that is how the burden of proof works. Look it up sparky, you might learn something. Theists claim god exists, therefore the burden of proof is on them to prove their claim.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on January 09, 2016, 06:24:38 PM
This guy's nuttier than candy bar shit.
Don't make fun of Tootsie Rolls ;-)
Quote from: TomFoolery on January 09, 2016, 06:26:30 PM
Perhaps even nuttier than this guy's shits.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/5vrloi.jpg)
That Mr Peanut is from the 1920s ... gotta be stale by now ;-)
Quote from: knowitall on January 09, 2016, 04:59:53 PM
According to my knowledge, atheism didn't exist as a philosophy until the 1700s,
There are passage in the bible warning the believers against atheists. Here's one of them:
QuotePsalm 14:1 ESV
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.†They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good.
As since the bible was written circa 300 BCE, atheism did exist way before the 1700's. Get your facts straightened out.
Quote from: knowitall on January 09, 2016, 04:59:53 PM
According to my knowledge, atheism didn't exist as a philosophy until the 1700s, also called the Enlightenment Period. This was coincidentally the time of the struggle of American independence. The struggle for religious freedom evolved into the struggle for political freedom, because you can't have religious freedom without a government enforcing the rights of citizens. I think it was Voltaire who officially declared atheism the year of the ratification of the American constitution. Nietzche and Kierkegaard were two of the proponents of atheism. America was founded on individual rights derived from natural laws stipulated by God to Israel via the Law of Moses. So we are connected to the God of the Old Testament. I have never heard of any philosophy or cult called Atheism before the Enlightenment. There was Stoicism, Epicureanism, and the Rationalism of the ancient Greeks, but the Greeks kept their gods. None were actual deniers of deity. Atheism therefore sprang up along with its partner liberalism as a Satanic reaction against America, because Satan hates America. Atheism can never be proven, even if one could search the entire universe, because God is intrinsic in everything. We are proof that there is at least one first being who creates all form. Animals are proof of a Creator who needs not to be created. The generation of particles must occur by choice in a moment of real time-space. There must be some quality that is the life of the mind, and that must be from mind itself. Contrary to what many say, if you say there is no God, you must back it up. Why would it be up to someone else to prove the opposite? Atheism, like liberalism, is the philosophy and religion of the criminal mind.
While I don't agree with you on many points ... it is true that modern atheism begins in modern times. How could it not, that is a tautology.
There are differences between atheism, deism and irreligion. Voltaire was guilty of deism, and in a famous case he defended someone guilty of irreligion ... from Wiki ...
"Similarly in 1766, the French nobleman François-Jean de la Barre, was tortured, beheaded, and his body burned for alleged vandalism of a crucifix, a case that became a cause célèbre because Voltaire tried unsuccessfully to have the judgment reversed."
"The influential figure of Voltaire, spread deistic notions of to a wide audience. "After the French Revolution and its outbursts of atheism, Voltaire was widely condemned as one of the causes", wrote Blainey, "Nonetheless, his writings did concede that fear of God was an essential policeman in a disorderly world: 'If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him', wrote Voltaire"."
But Voltaire was not the first modern atheist ... that goes to French Catholic priest Jean Meslier. Nor was Voltaire the only famous deist, or the first ... that goes to several people in the previous century ... Baruch Spinoza (my avatar), Thomas Hobbes and Lord Herbert of Cherbury. A little prior research is your friend.
Don't bother. This ones a runner.
Quote from: Nonsensei on January 09, 2016, 08:25:57 PM
Don't bother. This ones a runner.
Yeah, I removed my post.
Replace every time you said god with flying unicorns in space that can't be detected by any sense of the human body or any machine that control the universe, and it will make literally the same amount of sense.
Pray to a box of cheerios and you'll get the same results.
Quote from: Jannabear on January 10, 2016, 11:46:13 PM
Replace every time you said god with flying unicorns in space that can't be detected by any sense of the human body or any machine that control the universe, and it will make literally the same amount of sense.
Pray to a box of cheerios and you'll get the same results.
Oatmeal, not Cherrios ... is the one true sacred breakfast ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on January 11, 2016, 12:13:18 AM
Oatmeal, not Cherrios ... is the one true sacred breakfast ;-)
Dem qurs wana replace our cheerios with dem fukin frut loops.
They want to redefine marriage from milk to cheerio to milk to fruity.
Fuckin qurs man, qurs.