https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/12/14/young-white-men-most-derided/
A lot of interesting things in this. If you launch the interactive data table, you can filter results, interestingly enough UKIP voters still view 20s white males overall quite negatively.
Having many sexual partners is a negative?
Particularly in Britain, so I have read ... the older people have a very negative view of young people, as hooligans ... regardless of ethnicity. Too many purse snatchers?
Quote from: Baruch on December 19, 2015, 09:29:26 AM
Particularly in Britain, so I have read ... the older people have a very negative view of young people, as hooligans ... regardless of ethnicity. Too many purse snatchers?
Thats hardly unique to Britain.
Elaborate? We have a youth culture in the US ... so we don't fear young people in general, just those that match our racist profiles ;-(
Quote from: Baruch on December 19, 2015, 09:54:44 AM
Elaborate? We have a youth culture in the US ... so we don't fear young people in general, just those that match our racist profiles ;-(
If the question is around fear, then perhaps not so much although I will point out that public school policies have been altered over the past couple of decades in america so that crazy shit like a 6 year old child bringing a water pistol to school results in him getting arrested by the police and expelled. So theres a certain amount of irrational fear of children there.
But I was really thinking more of the general disapproval that baby boomers have toward everyone who belongs to any generation that succeeded them.
Not surprising. White males are the SJW bogeyman.
Quote from: Nonsensei on December 19, 2015, 09:59:43 AM
If the question is around fear, then perhaps not so much although I will point out that public school policies have been altered over the past couple of decades in america so that crazy shit like a 6 year old child bringing a water pistol to school results in him getting arrested by the police and expelled. So theres a certain amount of irrational fear of children there.
But I was really thinking more of the general disapproval that baby boomers have toward everyone who belongs to any generation that succeeded them.
So then you aren't British? Every generation disapproves of those who come after ... you will get your turn, just be patient ;-)
What is more serious (even in the US, let alone Europe) is that management (my generation usually) don't want to employ Millennials (outside of Asia), nor do we want to draft them to get rid of them in some rice paddy in Asia (as they did with the older members of my generation). What else can they do, but turn to crime or suicide? Attitudes don't matter ... as long as you don't get the bad side of bigotry. We have been bad mouthing our fellow Americans since WW II, and it shows ;-((
They are bad all right. I know. I used to be one.
Never trust a government poll...........
Quote from: stromboli on December 20, 2015, 07:09:36 PM
They are bad all right. I know. I used to be one.
I used to be a white male. I still am, but I used to, too.
Quote from: Green Bottle on December 20, 2015, 07:34:54 PM
Never trust a government poll...........
Especially in Poll-land ;-)
Quote from: Green Bottle on December 20, 2015, 07:34:54 PM
Never trust a government poll...........
Would you care to present some better statistics on this matter for us to discuss?
thats a shame, I guess gay porn companies like bel ami will struggle to find an audience.
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(seriously, that entire company is nothing but white early 20 something clones, not a black, brown or older guy in sight)
Quote from: Munch on December 31, 2015, 05:44:00 AM
thats a shame, I guess gay porn companies like bel ami will struggle to find an audience.
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(seriously, that entire company is nothing but white early 20 something clones, not a black, brown or older guy in sight)
I learn so much shit on here.....
Quote from: Nonsensei on December 19, 2015, 09:59:43 AM
But I was really thinking more of the general disapproval that baby boomers have toward everyone who belongs to any generation that succeeded them.
What?? I didn't know about this!
Quote from: SGOS on December 31, 2015, 07:07:38 AM
What?? I didn't know about this!
Stats:
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2014/03/07/millennials-in-adulthood/
General Prejudice:
http://thecannyoutlaw.com/features/original/2012/10/seen-but-not-heard-age-prejudice-and-young-people/
Gentle Humor about Millenials:
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/a-guide-to-understanding-your-millennial
Of course the prejudice goes both ways ... the young folks are always waiting around for the old folks to die off, and we keep failing to do that ;-)
My personal experience is atypical ... being with the military, there are always new young people shuffling thru, the average age stays the same. But I am optimistic and hopeful based on what I see. Young people mature slowly ... always have. Though there are generational aspects highlighted in the first link above.
Young males have always been negatively perceived in any culture and in any time. However I don't get how white ones are especially percieved negatively in the UK, because as probably you know, according to the famous research that put UK in shock, among the UK jail population, nonwhites are 9 times of whites compared to the amount in the US.
Male is the traditional perpetrator. So the cemented belief is that young males are the most likely group to break rules and laws. They are physically able and strong. They are full of testosterone. They spend more time in streets, esp. at night than other groups. They are more 'free' to act like how they like it...etc. Which is most of the time sexist bullshit of course.
So according to the traditional, patriarchal sexist human culture young males are trouble.
Would you care to share your thoughts on you having told me that most of my success in life is based on me being a young white male in the UK, with regard to these statistics?
Quote from: SilentFutility on January 02, 2016, 04:54:03 AM
Would you care to share your thoughts on you having told me that most of my success in life is based on me being a young white male in the UK, with regard to these statistics?
I didn't disregard your hard work. I just meant you belong to a group that would highly likley to suceed. This is not something conflicting, but a part of the problem you posted.
Patriarchal system is not a conspiracy against one gender, it is a system that keeps balance on traditional norms that is defined by sexism. You cannot be sexist against one gender without being sexist to another. Males and females get different 'benefits' in these traditonal norms and one thing that could function as a positive, turns upside down in another one.
You being a white young male, makes you highly likley to succeed in general human culture; paid more, get promoted easier, criticised less in occupation, not expected to balance family and career compared to females (positive for you), but at the same time, being a male always defines you worse if you do not work or not successful enough (negative) in many aspects. You are defined as the likely perpetrator in every situation with an unwanted result. You are likley to get worse punishment in a trial for the same crime compared to a female, more likley to be accused of a violent or a sexual crime. You are likley to be criticised more, if you were a stay at home parent. And as a white male you are also more likely to be accused of abusing power in a suitable position.
:arrow: Your position of being more likley to be successful, doesn't prevent you from being seen as a major threat group. On the contrary, they are connected to each other. They are both the results of the same point; as a male, generally you
count more in your dos and don'ts than a female in patriarchal culture.
This system is very primitive and functional, doesn't really matter how much people think it changes, it has been working the same till dawn of human, including the matriarchal cultures.
Basically, you are accepted as the bigger-stronger; more able animal and other gender roles are evolved to adopt to yours. The classification is based on your gender, becuase males are doing -have always done- the heavier, dirtier jobs, administration positions, defense in every scale; seen as the last line of defense in family and 'nation' level. Male is the disposable gender and therefore their position has evolved to gain a lot of rights over women, family and other genders and basic matters.
Modern society keeps trying to change this and becomes successful at a point, but as the majority of women are/and also need to be as patriarchal as men (which is men's natural position), it never really changes. Because this has been going on just for 150 years. It's too new.
Unfortunately I can't really type out a long response as I've been injured in a workplace accident.
I do agree with some of what you said but I'll have to properly respond in the future if I remember.
Quote from: SilentFutility on January 05, 2016, 02:31:14 PM
Unfortunately I can't really type out a long response as I've been injured in a workplace accident.
I do agree with some of what you said but I'll have to properly respond in the future if I remember.
Get well soon! Sometimes it is an accident that I get to work on time ;-)
Fear of the young? No. Viewing them as a bit of a pest, criticising them for much the same things that we did in our youth? Yeah, probably. But like someone said, this isn't unique to Britain. In my experience there are many people who hanker for the 'old days when things were better'. Nostalgia has never been my bag, personally.
Quote from: SilentFutility on January 05, 2016, 02:31:14 PM
Unfortunately I can't really type out a long response as I've been injured in a workplace accident.
I do agree with some of what you said but I'll have to properly respond in the future if I remember.
Forget the thread, what happened? Are you OK?
Yeah I'm fine. just a broken & damaged finger, but typing with random other fingers is just slow and irritating basically. It's a bit better now as I can type with the other fingers without it hurting the crushed one. A week ago even just moving my arms or a light breeze resulted in a lot of pain so the vibrations from typing with other fingers were very unpleasant.
It appears to be healing up without issues.
Glad you are healing up. I have had a bum leg for the last month, but SNAP won't let me put it on welfare ;-)