http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/nov/24/russian-jet-downed-by-turkish-planes-near-syrian-border-live-updates
Who knows what really happened!
Turkey is just trying to implement that no-fly-zone the Republicans are convinced will somehow help defeat ISIS
Quote from: Poison Tree on November 24, 2015, 12:18:55 PM
Turkey is just trying to implement that no-fly-zone the Republicans are convinced will somehow help defeat ISIS
Republicans? Both parties are on board with an American invasion and no fly zone. Since both parties are on board, this is happening. It's guaranteed now. Even Bernie will probably do this if he gets in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_1-eoNXVoQ
Technically they are, since there is evidence that Turkey is letting ISIS oil go through their borders... which generates millions for terrorists.
Of course, al-Asad could be considered a terrorist just as easily, who Russia backs so... really, all sides are backing a terrorist group... it just depends which faction your asking as to which faction is or isn't a terrorist group. The only one I think is nearly universally accepted as terrorists are ISIS and if Turkey is infact aiding them in ways... that shit needs to stop.
Of course, I come from a country that trained terrorist groups, lets drug lord's from Latin America launder money, etc. etc. so politically I cannot judge them "too" harshly.
The Internets say, the son of the leader of Turkey, was the one profiting from the ISIS oil transiting his country. Unfortunately this looks more and more like Columbia and Peru in recent decades. Ecuador and Venezuela, on average, have been more stable because they are Left. But the CIA has been at work there too ... and more recently destabilizing Brazil and Argentina. Chile in the 70s was the blueprint, thank you Dr Kissinger (aka Dr Evil). American foreign policy was based on Dr Kissinger's pro-German pro-Israeli view, and Brzezinski's pro-Polish view.
Rebels in Syria used a SA supplied US supplied TOW missile to take out a Russian helicopter also. The Russian helicopter had strayed into Syrian airspace ;-( The Russian navy is gathering off E Syria .. and the US and French fleets are steaming there to join them. This could get real ugly real fast. The mostly likely outcome is the deploying of smart naval mines and underwater drones. That and electricity was cut off from Crimea just this past week also. Crimea is on emergency power only ... unless Russia directly occupies all of the Ukraine E of Kiev. The switchblade at the throat of Russia is the Baltics ... way too close to St Petersburg! Russia will be tempted to preventively invade them to gain some fighting space farther away from St Petersburg and closer to Warsaw. Putin would also need to neutralize Finland and Sweden. Russia directly invading Turkey is also a likely outcome, from multiple directions. They have only been fighting for 500 years now! Iranian ground troops are in Syria, fighting into rebel held territory after Russian bombardment.
copypasta from /pol/ mainly sourced out of RT news, so basically russian side of the story (http://8ch.net/pol/res/4044862.html#4047503):
QuoteA Russian Su-24 bomber fighter jet shot down 4 km from Turkish border in Syria by Turkish F-16 air-to-air missile
Two Russian pilots have been shot by Al-Nusra Front's ground infantry (while still in air) after ejecting via parachute, video of it below
Al-Nusra shooting the 2 parachute-men
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPmmtrMJyHs
(The sortie was 2 planes, one went south back to Latakia airbase, the other was shot down)
(Both completed their bombing missions and were beginning to return to Latakia airbase)
Two Turkish F-16's had trailed one Su-24.
The picture of the jet's course claimed by Turkish military: (That post in the #3 thread)
>>4042749
BELOW ARE News stories with on-the-ground videos by FSA/Al-Nusra below
Contains 2 videos from a distance by jihadists
https://www.rt.com/news/323264-turkish-f16-fighter-shot-Su24/
Putin's Response
“This incident stands out against the usual fight against terrorism. Our troops are fighting heroically against terrorists, risking their lives. But the loss we suffered today came from a stab in the back delivered by accomplices [Turkey] of the terrorists,†Putin said.
https://www.rt.com/news/323262-putin-downing-plane-syria/
BREAKING, NEWEST INFO AMONG ALL THIS INFO
"RUSSIA DEPLOYS MISSILE CRUISER OFF SYRIA COAST, ORDERED TO DESTROY ANY TARGET POSING DANGER"
https://www.rt.com/news/323329-russia-suspend-military-turkey/
Also Sergey Rudskoy, a top official with the Russian General Staff, said the plane was shot 4 km from the Turkish border, not 1 km earlier claimed.
Shows 25 seconds of aftermath and Putin's remarks (no video)
https://www.rt.com/news/323215-warplane-crash-syria-turkey/
Ground video video of Al-Nusra nearby the deceased Russian airforce pilot, amoung the allah akbars one says "He should have been burned"
https://www.rt.com/news/323237-video-dead-russian-pilot/
Allegedly Turkey claims it crossed a southern tip of the border for 3.8 Kilometers, approximately for around 17 seconds at 19,000 feet.
WIKILEAKS shows the internal info here by Turkey sending a letter to NATO:
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/669188253279473664/photo/1
anon poster who brought it forth:
>>4043938
>>4043974
US Army Colonel Steve Warren (spokesman for US's ISIL campaign): "This is between Russia and Turkey"
>>4043923
The jet was fighting the uncontested northern Syria-Turkey border that the Jihadists hold near in Latakia province.
"Rebels have the body of one pilot, and are saying they want prisoners in Syria released from the government of Syria in exchange for his body".
This was said from Russia Today, these people are ransoming the body.
Lavrov cancels Turkish visit to be held tomorrow in Istanbul, Turkey is canceled
https://www.rt.com/news/323284-lavrov-cancels-visit-turkey/
Also: "Russia to suspend military cooperation with Turkey"
https://www.rt.com/news/323329-russia-suspend-military-turkey/
Russia's Defense Ministry warning to Turkey, anyone threatening our air forces will be destroyed
>>4044479
From another anon, "NATO MEETING HERE":
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/events_67375.htm
â€"The NATO meeting is over, nothing much was really said, just that its mainly Turkey and Russia engaging in communications currently, and NATO is somewhat not interfeering.
They side with Turkey in saying that they have confirming data indicating that Turkey's evidence is credential that the Su-24 entered Turkey's border (although briefly).
Obama/Hollande (they met together today) has said that its Turkey and Russia's issue, they didn't have much info, so he's also kind of staying away from it.
"They are going after moderate opposition near the Turkish border" This is confirmed what Obama has said.
ALSO TODAY BREAKING
Rescue Helicopter (Russian made) later BLOWN UP by TOW missile by FSA army, video below
From what I hear on comments, there were 2 helicopters and the one blown up was abandoned, noting the engine had been off for a few minutes. The other helicopter can carry 6 or 11 more crewmembers.
I'm guessing its a TOW missile (obviously, the video there shows it). Apparently its either German or American made, noting the german war symbol.
https://www.rt.com/news/323306-video-russia-helicopter-syria/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vxxQOTCN18
CONFIRMED report that 1 crewman has been killed from anon as of 1:07 pm central time by RT live, citing the Defense Agency
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3 RT Journalists attacked today by Al-Nusra Front's TOW anti tank missile/RPG missile when arriving at their Syrian Army's recently new area taken
The missile traveled for 2 km, so it was likely a TOW anti tank missile.
https://www.rt.com/news/323275-rt-crew-injured-missile/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CcEgnofcoA
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RT has been interviewing analysts today saying that Turkey has been the hub for years to get to Syria/Iraq. "Al Nusra is the same as ISIS, they cross into Turkey daily to regroup, join other forces, and re-attack". "There is a black market for oil, there are reports of pipelines being used from ISIS held areas and pumped into Turkey for low prices".
The fact of the matter is Turkey allows these jihadists to enter into Turkey, with an analyst saying "Turkey's main agenda is to topple Assad, and with that ISIS can help their cause."
More info on Russian helicopter downed
https://www.rt.com/news/323306-video-russia-helicopter-syria/
Used to be that Turkish territory extended on the European side past Budapest on the West ... included most of the Ukraine and all of the Crimea ... along with present day Georgia on the E end of the Black Sea. Admiral John Paul Jones sought and got mercenary work with the Russians, under Catherine the Great ... and was partly responsible for the eventual transfer of the Crimea to Russia. The Russian Orthodox Church has declared holy war against the opponents of Putin. When John Paul Jones worked for the US, he fought harder than the others and to some success ... but was stymied by the Boston cabal and later by the early US not wanting a navy. Russia was willing to bid for his talents. Eventually he ended up in Paris and died there. Much later his body was moved to the US Naval Academy at Annapolis. Some zones of conflict never change.
Animation of Ottoman Turkish Empire ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdDEL5k73lQ
Though there were Turks in Anatolia 200+ years earlier, the Seljuks, who are not shown. The Turks originally come from Central Asia.
It didn't help the Russians that not only they penetrated briefly Turkey's borders, but also were targeting Syrian factions aligned with Turkey. It would help if these two countries could get together in deciding who shoots what.