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A new Pew Research Center poll shows that 40 percent of American Millennials (ages 18-34) are likely to support government prevention of public statements offensive to minorities.
It should be noted that vastly different numbers resulted for older generations in the Pew poll on the issue of offensive speech and the government’s role.
Around 27 percent of Generation X’ers (ages 35-50) support such an idea, while 24 percent of Baby Boomers (ages 51-69) agree that censoring offensive speech about minorities should be a government issue. Only 12 percent of the Silent Generation (ages 70-87) thinks that government should prevent offensive speech toward minorities.
The poll comes at a time when college activists, such as the group “Black Lives Matter,†are making demands in the name of racial and ethnic equality at over 20 universities across the nation.
It should be noted that vastly different numbers resulted for older generations in the Pew poll on the issue of offensive speech and the government’s role.
Around 27 percent of Generation X’ers (ages 35-50) support such an idea, while 24 percent of Baby Boomers (ages 51-69) agree that censoring offensive speech about minorities should be a government issue. Only 12 percent of the Silent Generation (ages 70-87) thinks that government should prevent offensive speech toward minorities.
The poll comes at a time when college activists, such as the group “Black Lives Matter,†are making demands in the name of racial and ethnic equality at over 20 universities across the nation.
Some of the demands include restrictions on offensive Halloween costumes at Yale University to the deletion of U.S. President Woodrow Wilson’s image and name at Princeton University to an “anti-oppression training†for employees at Brown University.
“Woodrow Wilson obviously … had a very ill-informed and ignorant view of race,†1968 Princeton graduate Eric Chase told Reuters. “But he is a big piece of Princeton history and he should stay a big piece,†noting that it’s push to “erase history and whitewash it and put something else in its place.â€
At Dartmouth College, remaining quiet and minding one’s own business was deemed offensive by a group of Black Lives Matter protesters who stormed the school’s library and screamed profanities at studying students for not joining their protest.
Pressure from students and faculty at Amherst College could result in the school dropping its unofficial mascot Lord Jeff Amherst. Amherst commanded British forces in North America during the French and Indian War. Some argue that Amherst gave blankets infected with the smallpox virus to wipe out the Native Americans Indians. Others dispute this. In fact, a group of Amherst protesters want students who posted a flyer around campus celebrating free speech to be punished.
The University of North Dakota changed its team mascot name to the “Fighting Hawks†after the National Collegiate Athletic Association said the previous name the “Fighting Sioux†was “hostile and abusive.â€
Meanwhile, Georgetown University is in the midst of renaming two campus buildings that were named for two previous school presidents involved in the slave trade.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/21/poll-40-percent-of-millennials-want-speech-censored/
Yeah ... Newspeak, isn't it wonderful comrade? Just shut the colleges down where they have protests. If the deans etc can't handle the students, then let the National Guard handle it ;-)
this generation has been sold a dangerous lie hidden in the mantle of social justice.
I think a large part of it comes from looking at how terrible, socially, the generations before us were. Like Cubans and Eastern Europeans who overreact to anything remotely socialist, I think my generation sometimes overreact to things perceived as being as bigoted as our parents culture was.
That said, I'll take SJWs any day of the week over my parents and grandparents society; I live in the south where that mindset is still the predominantly encountered one, and it does far more harm than SJWs could ever dream.
i agree with the anti back lives matter but the other stuff is leess suporting
Quote from: Shiranu on November 21, 2015, 02:50:45 PM
I think a large part of it comes from looking at how terrible, socially, the generations before us were. Like Cubans and Eastern Europeans who overreact to anything remotely socialist, I think my generation sometimes overreact to things perceived as being as bigoted as our parents culture was.
That said, I'll take SJWs any day of the week over my parents and grandparents society; I live in the south where that mindset is still the predominantly encountered one, and it does far more harm than SJWs could ever dream.
Luckily it's not one or the other. I think it's important to remember that free speech played a big part in correcting the social wrongs of your Grandparents' generation.
It will be interesting to see how this is interpreted by the "offended".
White people will not pick lettuce at an average of 6.00 an hour, so we bring in Mexicans who will.
True statement, who gets offended? Both most likely. i am sure that this will stifle even casual conversation…can you imagine a political debate? LOLOL.
Quote from: Shiranu on November 21, 2015, 02:50:45 PM
I think a large part of it comes from looking at how terrible, socially, the generations before us were. Like Cubans and Eastern Europeans who overreact to anything remotely socialist, I think my generation sometimes overreact to things perceived as being as bigoted as our parents culture was.
That said, I'll take SJWs any day of the week over my parents and grandparents society; I live in the south where that mindset is still the predominantly encountered one, and it does far more harm than SJWs could ever dream.
Living in the North Carolina I imagine most Millennials here are solidly in that 60 percent who oppose government intervention. It is interesting how the generational pendulum swings. Ideally it would be nice to live in a society where individuals are free to say whatever they want but possessed the civility not to do so. My mother used to routinely call black people niggers. When I asked her not to call people that she argued this was America and she was free to call them whatever she liked. As a child I would say, "You have the right to say hurtful things but I wish you cared enough about other people's feelings not to do so." This approach was completely ineffective.
Quote from: Shiranu on November 21, 2015, 02:50:45 PM
I think a large part of it comes from looking at how terrible, socially, the generations before us were.
Well, now it's their turn.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on November 21, 2015, 07:59:19 PM
Well, now it's their turn.
Hate to break it, but we still have a looooong way before we match the institutionalized racism, homophobia and sexism that plagued our parents generations. We at least are trying to fix it... I rather we go too far than not bother at all.
Quote from: Shiranu on November 21, 2015, 08:12:00 PM
we still have a looooong way before we match the institutionalized racism, homophobia and sexism that plagued our parents generations.
I am of your parents generation. When I was born, blacks were separated and kept that way. Gays faced severe repercussions, and women belonged in the damn kitchen. Within my first 25 years, blacks were now american hero's, television stars and television personalities. Gays went from being hated and beaten to being allowed to actually march in a parade in the open. Women were allowed to buy their own homes and have children out of wedlock.
So far in my second 25 years, blacks are multimillionaire athletes, movies stars, entertainers and politicians that shape our world, my generation paved the way to the our first "black" president. Gays run vast enterprises as openly gay, have hugely popular TV shows, hold high governmental positions, wield power, and women have reached the heights of that was once only dreamed of, they are on the beach man, walking across the shores.
I am proud of my "generation", of course, the definition of generation is debatable, but I am non-the-less proud of what "we" have done so far. I challenge you and my daughter to finalize it. I am still tied by a third of my life being bullied into me that niggers and faggots deserved nothing but hatred and that women are my property. Considering my foundation, I am pleased with the "building" you see now. I doubt I will ever have the color-blindness that you and my daughter share, but I am pleased that I helped her find that spot and pleased that you have as well.
i truly have done what I can with what I have had, there is little more that I could have done. I will die knowing I did the best I could. I hope you do as well.
The condescension of every new generation, over every previous generation ... is so naive it is touching, like Bronies ;-) There is no teleology, no progress, just each generation in self-delusion ... until they get to the nursing home and think on this, while Bob gives them a sponge bath ;-))
Just say no to censorship.
Quote from: Baruch on November 21, 2015, 11:09:43 PM
The condescension of every new generation, over every previous generation ... is so naive
And generations past have always bemoaned the newer generations lack of ethics that mirror the previous one. Some of us cheer for the new generations attempt to be better…..and some… wish the status to remain eh? Here's your ducky, enjoy the bath.
My dear Sylvia in 1968 was a single mother and at the time was unable to get a job and was pretty much thought of as a tramp and whore until she married a man who she never liked nor loved. She lived with him for over 20 years and raised 3 kids with him. Today her kids have little to no love for him and resent her for raising them with him.
The ironic twist is that marriage at the time brought her 'respectability' and the freedom to move on with her life later on, but that was the way the world was in 1968. Young women simply did not have the luxury of having children without a husband and if they did they almost always lived in poverty with almost zero prospects for moving up much less owning a home.
Quote from: Shiranu on November 21, 2015, 08:12:00 PM
Hate to break it, but we still have a looooong way before we match the institutionalized racism, homophobia and sexism that plagued our parents generations. We at least are trying to fix it... I rather we go too far than not bother at all.
I'm plenty sure that previous generations thought the same thing about their own problem-of-thee-times. But censoring speech is not going to solve racism, homophobia or sexism. Indeed, censorship is one of the places where such things breed.
Each generation has things it doesn't want to hear. Nothing new there.
An entire generation of improved tolerance, fairness, and freedom. Kind of lulls you into believing you have a map of mankind's destiny, a destiny of grace. But past performance, does not guarantee future results.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on November 22, 2015, 08:38:46 AM
Each generation has things it doesn't want to hear. Nothing new there.
Sure, but one wants to feel that the things you didn't want to hear were things that needed to go away in order to move forward, and so things would get better. But censoring free speech feels more like going backward. Free speech was to guarantee the individual the liberty to speak his own mind without fear of retaliation from the political class, which has in relationship to the individual disproportionate power. Now censoring free speech, on the basis of someone's sensitivity scale, not only opens the door to all kinds of retaliation, but it also closes the door to creativity and criticism of a system that can easily get off tracks.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on November 22, 2015, 09:21:35 AM
Sure, but one wants to feel that the things you didn't want to hear were things that needed to go away in order to move forward, and so things would get better. But censoring free speech feels more like going backward. Free speech was to guarantee the individual the liberty to speak his own mind without fear of retaliation from the political class, which has in relationship to the individual disproportionate power. Now censoring free speech, on the basis of someone's sensitivity scale, not only opens the door to all kinds of retaliation, but it also closes the door to creativity and criticism of a system that can easily get off tracks.
In addition, no speech is free of consequences. You might be free to say anything you want, but the government should not be given the final authority to squelch specific types of speech. This is where a reasoning, educated, and intelligent populace has an obligation and a duty to respond to the speech with reasoned and critical speech or writing of its own that exposes the ignorance of bad ideas for what they are.
The populace is where the real power over stupid speech comes from, far surpassing the power of government. The millennial generation needs to embrace that responsibility and utilize the freedom granted by their own right to free speech. They need to debate stupidity, rather than have someone else make it a felony. Passing the power to the government means you actually give up the power you now have. You can choose government power over personal responsibility, perhaps because you're too lazy, or too fearful, but those are not laudable personal goals in a free society.
Use it or lose it. Don't throw free speech away because you'd rather not bother with it. All freedoms come with a degree of responsibility.
Quote from: SGOS on November 22, 2015, 09:04:47 AM
An entire generation of improved tolerance, fairness, and freedom. Kind of lulls you into believing you have a map of mankind's destiny, a destiny of grace. But past performance, does not guarantee future results.
How can an atheist speak the woo woo of destiny and grace? Secular utopia ... but don't call it a religion, except for fetishizing consumerism ... it has no god.
Quote from: SGOS on November 22, 2015, 10:02:02 AM
In addition, no speech is free of consequences. You might be free to say anything you want, but the government should not be given the final authority to squelch specific types of speech. This is where a reasoning, educated, and intelligent populace has an obligation and a duty to respond to the speech with reasoned and critical speech or writing of its own that exposes the ignorance of bad ideas for what they are.
The populace is where the real power over stupid speech comes from, far surpassing the power of government. The millennial generation needs to embrace that responsibility and utilize the freedom granted by their own right to free speech. They need to debate stupidity, rather than have someone else make it a felony. Passing the power to the government means you actually give up the power you now have. You can choose government power over personal responsibility, perhaps because you're too lazy, or too fearful, but those are not laudable personal goals in a free society.
Use it or lose it. Don't throw free speech away because you'd rather not bother with it. All freedoms come with a degree of responsibility.
Agree.
It's the proverbial sword with two-edges: with the students willing to give to the state some power - censoring is a form of power that the state will readily enjoy - there is no guarantee that once the state has these powers, it will carry the students' agenda - take care of their sensitivity scale. We saw that after 9/11, when the government appropriated more powers at the expense of individual freedoms for security reasons, and most folks went along with that - the same taking place in France right now. But once those laws were passed, the government over-extended these powers, as witnessed from the wikileaks and the Snowden affairs. So our students - young, gullible and naive , :lol:- are unconsciously doing something that history tells us to thread very carefully.
I'm against this and I'm a millennial. There's a difference between being racist and decidedly antagonistic and not having a thick skin. My gay friend calls me faggot all the time and when I call him the same he says "you better believe it buddy. I love me some cock"
I know that isn't the norm but we don't need a "cultural space" or a "minority appreciation month" that's asking for segregation again without using the word. If you have a space where only a certain race can go, and or be treated better than another. That's segregation
No ands ifs buts or social justic Warriors can change that
Quote from: Shiranu on November 21, 2015, 08:12:00 PM
Hate to break it, but we still have a looooong way before we match the institutionalized racism, homophobia and sexism that plagued our parents generations. We at least are trying to fix it... I rather we go too far than not bother at all.
and i rather do it by addressing real things without hyperbolic paranoid rhetoric and censorious practices that is why i will challenge SJW shitty rhetoric tainting good causes like gender egalitarianism and the fight vs racism and xenophobia.
Quote from: mauricio on November 22, 2015, 07:15:15 PM
and i rather do it by addressing real things without hyperbolic paranoid rhetoric and censorious practices that is why i will challenge SJW shitty rhetoric tainting good causes like gender egalitarianism and the fight vs racism and xenophobia.
Note I said in my first post that I think it sometimes goes way too far. That said this generation simply is better on social issues... even when some aspects are taken too far.