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Extraordinary Claims => Religion General Discussion => Islam => Topic started by: stromboli on November 15, 2015, 08:30:40 PM

Title: collective Suicide Of European Nations
Post by: stromboli on November 15, 2015, 08:30:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc
Title: Re: collective Suicide Of European Nations
Post by: josephpalazzo on November 15, 2015, 08:55:49 PM
The Muslims were stopped at Tours in 732 CE, and then at Vienna in 1529 CE. But it seems that now they are taking their revenge.
Title: Re: collective Suicide Of European Nations
Post by: Baruch on November 15, 2015, 09:20:51 PM
Quote from: josephpalazzo on November 15, 2015, 08:55:49 PM
The Muslims were stopped at Tours in 732 CE, and then at Vienna in 1529 CE. But it seems that now they are taking their revenge.

Don't worry, someday all of N and S American will be Native American again ;-)
Title: Re: collective Suicide Of European Nations
Post by: mauricio on November 15, 2015, 09:58:02 PM
have a version without muted soundtrack

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cb0_1447249820
Title: Re: collective Suicide Of European Nations
Post by: mauricio on November 15, 2015, 09:59:57 PM
also we /pol/ now?

(http://8ch.net/pol/src/1447550316679.jpg)
Title: Re: collective Suicide Of European Nations
Post by: mauricio on November 15, 2015, 10:00:38 PM
lulzy version

(http://8ch.net/pol/src/1447550521106.png)
Title: Re: collective Suicide Of European Nations
Post by: mauricio on November 15, 2015, 10:08:05 PM
gotta remember that mass unregulated immigration is not the only problem on the terrorism topic actually, the ideological war vs Islamism is very important many Islamic terrorists have enjoyed the privilege of living in first world countries yet they still fall for the false narrative of charismatic islamist ideologues. Political correctness must not stand in the way of the intellectual destruction of islamism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovN-cSB2Uvw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHCpc_bXo5w
Title: Re: collective Suicide Of European Nations
Post by: Atheon on November 15, 2015, 10:27:23 PM
Because all Muslims are terrorists, and all non-Muslims are incapable of causing harm.
Title: Re: collective Suicide Of European Nations
Post by: mauricio on November 15, 2015, 10:53:47 PM
Quote from: Atheon on November 15, 2015, 10:27:23 PM
Because all Muslims are terrorists, and all non-Muslims are incapable of causing harm.

Agreed that's hardly the message of the video IMO, but that is what some of viewers believe, though not necessarily that they are all terrorist but that they are all dangerous savages which is patently false. But in reality it is a much more complicated thing than brown/islamic people bad white/christian people good. But rather the dynamic of society and culture and how mass unregulated migration in the current conditions of the regions of destination and origin can easily set off a process of deteriorating conditions and escalating violence and destabilization, like what is happening in Greece to an extend. This video is promoted around as propaganda appealing to emotion by using music and mashing various clips without context, I would much rather people see the clips on their context to have a more realistic and rational picture of the migration issue. But keeping this in mind one can use the compilation of relevant clips and dig deeper into the issue.
Title: Re: collective Suicide Of European Nations
Post by: Baruch on November 15, 2015, 11:45:32 PM
It should show GB/USA stabbing France ... if one has to conspiracy theory it.  Also it would be more appropriate to use Netanyahu's picture, rather than a plainly racist picture not unlike a Black person eating watermelon.  Israel, like the US and GB ... may be connected to ISIS ... but this is not yet proven.
Title: Re: collective Suicide Of European Nations
Post by: mauricio on November 16, 2015, 12:14:45 AM
Quote from: Baruch on November 15, 2015, 11:45:32 PM
It should show GB/USA stabbing France ... if one has to conspiracy theory it.  Also it would be more appropriate to use Netanyahu's picture, rather than a plainly racist picture not unlike a Black person eating watermelon.  Israel, like the US and GB ... may be connected to ISIS ... but this is not yet proven.

that picture comes from /pol/ a political forum where they use the happy merchant cartoon as a symbol for shills and zionists which are not necessarily ethnic jews, they consider the western politicians to be owned by the zionists or that they are zionists themselves.

Personally I do not like either the western leaders or the zionists, but I do not have evidence of conspiracy so I do not make/believe those claims, I find their cartoons hilarious though. I posted it because the OP video comes from /pol/
Title: Re: collective Suicide Of European Nations
Post by: Baruch on November 16, 2015, 12:35:36 AM
It was a poor choice to share.  Just like posting Charlie Hebdo illustrations would be.  But I understand you didn't draw this yourself.

Also the idea that Jews are merchants ... is completely wrong.  We are more likely to be found in comedy than as carpet bagging thieves.
Title: Re: collective Suicide Of European Nations
Post by: 1liesalot on November 16, 2015, 08:04:57 AM
Quote from: mauricio on November 15, 2015, 10:00:38 PM
lulzy version

(http://8ch.net/pol/src/1447550521106.png)

That is disgusting.
Title: Re: collective Suicide Of European Nations
Post by: josephpalazzo on November 16, 2015, 08:30:44 AM
The Paris attacks might be a game changer. So, collective suicide? Too soon to tell.
Title: Re: collective Suicide Of European Nations
Post by: mauricio on November 16, 2015, 01:57:00 PM
Quote from: 1liesalot on November 16, 2015, 08:04:57 AM
That is disgusting.
what about this one


(http://www.toonpool.com/user/558/files/war_machine_338085.jpg)
Title: Re: collective Suicide Of European Nations
Post by: mauricio on November 16, 2015, 02:11:30 PM
something that bothers me about this migration is that many of us living in the third world would love to live in germany but we need to apply for visas and follow the law, why are many of this people which are economic migrants and not war refugees anymore, or at all, are getting a preferential treatment, why is it allowed for them to riot and forcefully cross the borders and refuse to be registered. I know police repression of big groups of people always look ugly , but it is unfair that this people get away with it. They must follow the law like everyone else if they want to live in one of the best places in the world.
Title: Re: collective Suicide Of European Nations
Post by: mauricio on November 16, 2015, 02:31:48 PM
Who wouldn't want to go from this

(https://wherewewerefrom.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/img_0478.jpg)

(http://img5.adsttc.com/media/images/5370/1bde/c07a/806f/3300/0067/large_jpg/5_Villa_El_Salvador_2014_Cr%C3%A9dito_Evelyn_Merino-Reyna.jpg?1399856032)

to beautiful European cities.

There's many people trying to escape from poverty and violence in general poor living conditions , but we must treat them all with consistency if our ethical standards are indeed sound.
Title: Re: collective Suicide Of European Nations
Post by: Baruch on November 16, 2015, 06:18:10 PM
Quote from: mauricio on November 16, 2015, 01:57:00 PM
what about this one


(http://www.toonpool.com/user/558/files/war_machine_338085.jpg)

Much better.  It is unknown if AIPAC drives the US government or vice versa ;-)  It is also understandable, not necessarily racist ... that Israel is opposed.
Title: Re: collective Suicide Of European Nations
Post by: mauricio on November 16, 2015, 07:00:22 PM
Quote from: Baruch on November 16, 2015, 06:18:10 PM
Much better.  It is unknown if AIPAC drives the US government or vice versa ;-)  It is also understandable, not necessarily racist ... that Israel is opposed.

why is the other pic "disgusting" though I ask to 1liesalot? You may not agree with the idea it transmits but I see them both as just political cartoons that show a grotesque exaggeration of stereotypes that are used as symbols. The monstrous uncle sam and the grotesque happy merchant are just symbols to represent real or perceived evils of the american goverment and zionism , why is the happy merchant so offensive, ''racist'' and taboo. They are just cartoons with ambiguous meaning. Is this a double standard about whose stereotype are we allowed to depict in a grotesque manner?
Title: Re: collective Suicide Of European Nations
Post by: Baruch on November 16, 2015, 07:12:53 PM
It goes to the root of whether Charlie Hebdo cartoons were appropriate or not ... not a question of free speech, but of taste.  Now of course a rabid Israeli or American patriot, might be offended at the second cartoon, but that is politics, not bigotry.
Title: Re: collective Suicide Of European Nations
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on November 16, 2015, 08:58:37 PM
Getting complaints.  Enough of those cartoons that contain offensive stereotypes and focus on those that send whatever message (other than racial stereotypes) that you wish sent.
Title: Re: collective Suicide Of European Nations
Post by: Baruch on November 16, 2015, 10:28:00 PM
In general ... it would be a nicer place for everyone ... if we didn't use this forum for revenge fantasies and primal scream therapy ;-)  Jus' sayin'.