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Title: wave of protests for "safe spaces" in universities.
Post by: mauricio on November 12, 2015, 06:49:50 PM
This "activists" are shooting themselves on the foot by revealing their intolerant, racist and puerile attitudes on videos of their protests going viral.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IEFD_JVYd0&list=PLvIqJIL2kOMefn77xg6-6yrvek5kbNf3Z&index=3

apparently university "is not about creating an intellectual space" Here is the context: https://www.thefire.org/yale-students-demand-resignations-from-faculty-members-over-halloween-email/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8UTj8lQJhY

Ah yes black people can't be racist, no matter that they discriminated you based on your ethnicity they can't be racist because word games and bullshit. And if you dare break that narrative and point out people are individuals and should not be judged by the collective you will be booed off the spotlight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5MPzQnokMU

Fuck your first amendment right said the communications teacher to the student of journalism... I don't even.
Title: Re: wave of protests for "safe spaces" in universities.
Post by: Baruch on November 12, 2015, 07:12:12 PM
Sad that Millennial losers are just like their Baby Boomer parents, isn't it?  And that college students are puerile ... how surprising!
Title: Re: wave of protests for "safe spaces" in universities.
Post by: mauricio on November 13, 2015, 12:12:24 AM
The plot thickens:

http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2015/11/09/students-protest-buckley-talk/

QuoteYale students protest Free speech talk


After a comment made by speaker Greg Lukianoff during a private William F. Buckley, Jr. Program conference on free speech was posted on the Facebook group “Overheard at Yale” Friday afternoon, over 100 students gathered around Linsly-Chittenden Hall to voice their anger.

“Looking at the reaction to [Silliman College Associate Master] Erika Christakis’ email, you would have thought someone wiped out an entire Indian village,” Lukianoff said, according to Gian-Paul Bergeron ’17, who was present at the event and posted the quotation online just after 4 p.m. According to seven other attendees interviewed, the remark was followed by laughter in the crowd, although students present gave different accounts of how many audience members laughed. Lukianoff is president of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, a nonprofit organization committed to defending individual rights on American college campuses. In addition to speaking at the Buckley conference, Lukianoff was also a guest at a Silliman College Master’s Tea Thursday evening about the importance of free speech on college campuses. He is the author of “Coddling of the American Mind,” an article in The Atlantic that Erika Christakis tweeted last week in response to criticism of her Oct. 30 email defending students’ rights to wear costumes that might be deemed culturally appropriative.

The conference, which was planned months before allegations of racial discrimination surrounding both Christakis’ email and a Sigma Alpha Epsilon party attracted national attention this past week, was open to the entire Yale community but required prior registration, and the deadline was in October. Opening remarks for the daylong conference were given by Silliman College Master Nicholas Christakis, who has also elicited heavy criticism for his defense of his wife’s email. Other speakers included former Federal Election Commission Commissioner Bradley Smith and U.S. Sen. Benjamin Sasse GRD ’04, and over 250 students, alumni and donors attended the conference, according to Buckley Program President Zach Young ’17.

Before the comment was made, Edward Columbia ’18 â€" a white male who did not register for the event â€" walked into the room and began putting up signs along the front of the room  which read “Stand with your sisters of color. Now, here. Always, everywhere,” according to Columbia and Bergeron. They both said a security guard asked Columbia to leave because he was not registered and because he was putting up posters, but he refused to do so. Shortly after, Lukianoff made the comment about the Indian village, and Columbia shouted at Lukianoff and asked him why he thought it was funny, according to Columbia.

While Columbia resisted, the guard dragged him outside of the room, where he was pinned down and handcuffed before being taken to a squad car, Columbia said. Both Bergeron and Columbia said the officer used an appropriate amount of force. Columbia was given a citation, which he called “a mere slap on the wrist,” and said he will appear in court, though he declined to specify when this will happen.

“I couldn’t let the joke go. It was too fâ€"ed up,” Columbia said. “All of the officers treated me well, and I feel bad for putting a security officer who was just doing his job in a position where he had to drag me out. But I also wonder whether I would have been released so quickly … if I weren’t a white male.”

Some Buckley fellows present at the event gave a slightly different account. They said they were not bothered when Columbia put up signs and only asked him to leave when he interrupted and shouted at the speaker. The signs were taken down after Columbia’s removal.

The online Facebook post led a group of Native American women, other students of color and their supporters to protest the conference in an impromptu gathering outside of LC 102, where the Buckley event was taking place. Officers from the Yale Police Department stood in front of the entrance, announcing that the event was at full capacity and that no one who had not registered would be allowed to enter.

The situation escalated when Young and another attendee left the room where the conference was taking place to offer food to the protestors in the hallway. Students demanded that a representative from the protesters be allowed to join the conference and voice their views. But one attendee engaged with the protesters, stating that unregistered students were not allowed into the room and adding that speakers within the conference were entitled to their views as well. The standoff quickly became confrontational, with speakers on both sides raising their voices. Young said he did not stay to address the protesters because he was busy organizing the event. He stressed that the protesters were not allowed into the event because they had not registered.

“I will share the University’s policy on free speech,” Dean of Student Engagement Burgwell Howard, who arrived near the end of the conference, told the crowd. “You have a right to free expression, and so do the people inside. As long as there’s a clear path [to allow attendees to leave the conference] you can hold up your signs.”

Howard reminded the student protesters that any attempt at blocking the attendees’ departure would risk arrest, which the students acknowledged.

Around 5:45 p.m., as attendees began to leave the conference, students outside chanted the phrase “Genocide is not a joke” and held up written signs of the same words. Taking Howard’s reminder into account, protesters formed a clear path through which attendants could leave. A large group of students eventually gathered outside of the building on High Street. According to Buckley fellows present during the conference, several attendees were spat on as they left. One Buckley fellow said he was spat on and called a racist. Another, who is a minority himself, said he has been labeled a “traitor” by several fellow minority students. Both asked to remain anonymous because they were afraid of attracting backlash.

Mitchell Rose Bear Don’t Walk ’16, a Native American student and one of the leaders of the protest, said she has spoken to the fellow who said he was spat on. She emphasized that spitting is “disgraceful” and not the message the protestors were looking to convey, but she confirmed that it did happen.

“The spitting happened,” she told the News Sunday night. “Our movement is founded in the idea that all people’s voices should be heard. We cannot maintain the integrity of this message whilst questioning or silencing other accounts.”

An emotional rally soon followed as the last attendees emerged from LC and left the conference. Bullhorn in hand, Bear Don’t Walk shared her anger with the crowd, which had grown in size, about the comment made at the Buckley event. She expressed despair that this comment came on the heels of discussions about racial issues on campus.

“About an hour ago, we were sitting at the Native American Cultural Center and we were talking. We said today was one of the only days we felt okay on this campus,” Bear Don’t Walk told the crowd. “Then we looked at our Facebook feed and we saw this message about what someone at this freedom of speech conference said. But we rallied and we gathered here to tell them that this is not okay.”

Ending on the chant “We out here, we’ve been here, we ain’t leaving, we are loved” â€" a phrase that was also used during Thursday’s gatherings on Cross Campus with Yale College Dean Jonathan Holloway â€" protesters soon dispersed. Before leaving, protesters left their signs along the building’s walkway.

Buckley Fellows interviewed said the Facebook post misrepresented what occurred during the conference. Connor Wood ’19 said while there was laughter following Lukianoff’s comment, many attendees were made uncomfortable by the statement. Gabriel Ozuna ’15 added that most audience members were Yale alumni and donors who were not fully aware of the past week’s racially charged events.

“Although I think the protesters misinterpreted the ‘Overheard at Yale’ post, I think the protest is a good sign of healthy debate and free speech at Yale,” Woods said.

In a statement to the News, Young wrote that the protesters’ actions have highlighted the need to protect free speech on campus.

“The protesters yesterday underscored the need to vigorously promote a culture of free expression at Yale,” he wrote. “Disagreement is not grounds for censorship, disruption or intimidation.”

Speaking with the News Saturday, Young said organizers of the event had taken appropriate and responsible precautions. He said he had contacted the YPD several days before and was in communication with Holloway and University Secretary and Vice President for Student Life Kimberly Goff-Crews before and during the event.

Yale Native American Arts Council President Emily Van Alst ’16 said the comment mocked a cultural genocide. Everyone should have the right to free speech, she said, but there is a distinct line between free speech and hateful, hurtful, racist speech which results in violence.

Bear Don’t Walk said the protesters followed all the appropriate rules and formed a path for the attendees of the Buckley event. However, she did acknowledge that it is difficult for students to have productive discussions in such emotionally charged situations.

“Things got heated on both sides,” she said. “It’s hard to have constructive discussions when there is a large group of people who are passionate and emotional about what’s at stake.”

Gotta love how they conflated his joke/remark with mocking genocide, as eloquent commentators said:

QuoteHave college students lost all ability to comprehend meaning and context? That was in no way 'mocking' genocide. The analogy took as it's base the idea that genocide is very serious and deserving a large response. To be sure, it was a bit of hyperbole, if an Indian villiage were destroyed, one would expect more than a protest. But it certainly wasn't mocking genocide.
You know who does genuinely mock and celebrate genocide? Social justice warriors who tweet things like #killallmen and #killallwhitemen

QuoteAlso, if anyone though about the comment by the speaker - it was clear he was NOT denigrating the genocide of Indians. He just said that Yale students' reactions are out of proportion. Which the article completely confirms.
Title: Re: wave of protests for "safe spaces" in universities.
Post by: pr126 on November 13, 2015, 04:07:10 AM
I wonder how many of these students would be outraged by and demonstrate against FGM, child marriage, executing homosexuals, honor killings, slavery, lashings, stoning, amputating limbs, acid attacks. Just to mention a few.

For these social justice warriors these things do not exist.
Mentioning any of that would be hateful, racist, Islamophopic,  it is simply not done.
There are more important issues to worry about, like Starbucks red colored cups.


Who is egging on these students to go out and make a fool of themselves?
The educators. Teachers, professors. With an agenda.

Students are taught what to think, not how to think.
Students must comply, or get bad grades. Dissent is not allowed.

"If you need a "safe space", you shouldn't be at a college/university, you should be in daycare"



Title: Re: wave of protests for "safe spaces" in universities.
Post by: pr126 on November 13, 2015, 06:26:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu1y5g1O3-Y
Title: Re: wave of protests for "safe spaces" in universities.
Post by: Atheon on November 13, 2015, 06:43:31 AM
These em-effers are damaging the cause of liberalism, turning people away from caring about real injustice in the world. SJWs are so far to the left that they've circled around and become the looney right.
Title: Re: wave of protests for "safe spaces" in universities.
Post by: Baruch on November 13, 2015, 07:24:39 AM
The Left in the US, is usually a psyops by the CIA.  There are no actual Leftists in the US, but like taking down the Trade Center, false flag operations are necessary to reinforce the Right.  Portugal is maybe a different matter ;-)
Title: Re: wave of protests for "safe spaces" in universities.
Post by: pr126 on November 13, 2015, 01:19:56 PM
PC Insanity Turns University Of Missouri Into Mini Police State  (http://www.infowars.com/pc-insanity-turns-university-of-missouri-into-mini-police-state/print)
QuoteIn an epic display of the totalitarian nature of political correctness, “protests” at the University of Missouri have culminated with an email being sent out by campus police urging students to call the cops if they experience “Hateful and/or Hurtful Speech.”

The protests were spurned after the African-American student government president claimed that in September, people in a passing pick-up truck shouted racial slurs at him which prompted other black students to come forward and make similar reports â€" and black football players to go on “strike” until demands to address racial intolerance at the school were met.

Then, a “poop swastika” was allegedly foundsmeared across a campus bathroom. Despite no tangible evidence the swastika even exists, the report further emboldened students to speak out against school administrators.

   
QuoteTo continue to ensure that the University of Missouri campus remains safe, the MU Police Department (MUPD) is asking individuals who witness incidents of hateful and/or hurtful speech or actions to:

        Call the police immediately at 573-882-7201. (If you are in an emergency situation, dial 911.)

        Give the communications operator a summary of the incident, including location.

        Provide a detailed description of the individual(s) involved.

        Provide a license plate and vehicle descriptions (if appropriate).

        If possible and if it can be done safely, take a photo of the individual(s) with your cell phone.

    Delays, including posting information to social media, can often reduce the chances of identifying the responsible parties. While cases of hateful and hurtful speech are not crimes, if the individual(s) identified are students, MU’s Office of Student Conduct can take disciplinary action.

As the email points out, “hateful” or “hurtful” speech is not a crime. So what business do police have harassing students every time someone gets their feelings hurt?

“We’re just the reporting agency,” Missouri University Police Maj. Brian Weimer said.

So campus cops aren’t going to arrest anybody, they will only be utilized to pass reports on to the university â€" which can take action under its Code of Student Conduct that may effectually ruin students careers by expelling them if they offend someone.
Title: Re: wave of protests for "safe spaces" in universities.
Post by: mauricio on November 13, 2015, 03:34:48 PM
Video of the disrupted  and protested talk on free speech at yale from the previous article I posted, the whole talk is great imo. Disruption occurs at 15:25 student is yelling about history and burnt villages cause of the comment made at 14:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGnNKmR1EEc&feature=youtu.be&t=15m25s
Title: Re: wave of protests for "safe spaces" in universities.
Post by: mauricio on November 13, 2015, 03:54:58 PM
Quote from: pr126 on November 13, 2015, 06:26:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu1y5g1O3-Y

shit man that was brutal, her idealism is so devoid of thought about the practical implications...
Title: Re: wave of protests for "safe spaces" in universities.
Post by: mauricio on November 13, 2015, 05:06:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTeT-H60Snw
Title: Re: wave of protests for "safe spaces" in universities.
Post by: Baruch on November 13, 2015, 11:01:47 PM
Politics of any kind, is always anti-free-speech.  And corporatism is against free-anything ;-)
Title: Re: wave of protests for "safe spaces" in universities.
Post by: mauricio on November 15, 2015, 02:50:05 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3swfvm/video_of_mark_schierbecker_at_skepticon_posted_on/

Earlier, Mark Schierbecker attempted to enter what was designated by SJWs as a "black space" and a "media free space", after he was shoved by a feminist professor and a Gender Studies major named Melissa Click.

Yesterday, he had a Q&A with a SJW named Danielle Muscato. Even though Schierbecker affirmed every single SJW orthodoxy, even the toxic and racist nonsense known as 'white privilege', he was still attacked as a racist. Now Muscato has thrown him under the bus(http://i.imgur.com/DzrQA5R.png), after shrieking student psychopaths screamed that he was a racist. Skepticon has also denounced the event. (https://archive.is/QubDh) Even though Muscato attempted to find blacks to speak on the subject, apparently you cannot have an event if they refuse to participate.

Here is the video in question. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfXKQyHuleA) I watched the first 35 minutes, and God, was it toxic.

3:18 - Muscato recites claims by the student busted for lying about the KKK.
4:20 - Muscato echoes the lie that a student was 'bumped' after trying to block the university president's car
5:10 - Muscato echoes the extremely dubious claims about a 'swastika' made from human feces
6:30 - Muscato claims that the university president "victim-blamed" by saying that "systematic racism" is about people freeling that they don't have equal opportunity.
10:38 - Muscato indicates that he tried very hard to get the participants in the movement to come on and talk. They refused.

Around 14:20 and 30 minutes, Schierbecker echoes SJW ideology to the letter. Something something systematic racism, I am so privileged - but he refuses to back away from defense of free speech. This was too much for the cultists.

Specifically, Diane Burkholder, Co-Moderator of Kansas City Free Thinkers of Color said the following:

 
QuoteIf the point is to uplift and validate the perspective and to honor the black students, particularly, I find it highly problematic that the point of this is to uplift your narrative as a white male entering a black space and then having the audacity to file a lawsuit about assault as a white person, you were assaulted, while black people were dying in the streets every day? And we can't even get a police officer to be indicted?

    And you go on and have the audacity to fight against another white woman? If you're going to uplift black people, uplift that and don't make it about you and what you want to do in this part. The point is to uplift black people. Do that. [applause from brain-dead students]
52:45

   
QuoteSo this is a race issue. It's also a media issue, for sure. Ang I guess I wanna know your thoughts on what it looked like, right, this white dude, with all this privilege, busting through all these black people protecting an area of blackness for a safe space... busting through there, without any regard to get whatever you need. That's what it looks like. But there's also on the media side, contrary to what you said earlier, that media and racism don't go together, to me they are the same. Right? Because black and brown people are not even represented. Right? And it certainly seemed like that is what you were doing in the video.

    A lot of the reason journalists aren't allowed or welcome in places like Occupy, and other places where social justice protests are going on, is that those stories are spun and twisted. Lies are injected every single time. Not just me. Everyone I know. I was heavily involved in Occupy. It is only citizen journalists who are telling the truth. There is that reason. Why don't people trust you, to let you in there? It's who you work for, how you're going to spin the story, all those things. That people aren't going to be fairly represented. That's the problem with media, with huge mainstream conglomerates [note: Mark works for a student newspaper]. So that is another reason people didn't want you there.

Probable goony beardman at 57:31
Quote
    You acknowledged earlier that your six minute clip, the video that went viral, was problematic, because it was edited in a way that removed pretty significant context. Your video cuts out right when Melissa Click, who was able to leave her house for the first time yesterday since the event, cuts out right after she calls for muscle. So you don't see what happened. It draws that conclusion that you were directly silenced by that call for muscle. There were only a couple of pretty polite dudes who just kept saying: hey, I understand what you're doing, could you respect our space now? I'll walk out with you. That really important context was cut out. Could you remove the six minute video and post the twelve minute video? Because that six minute video is used to reinforce white supremacy.

1:07:50 - Tumblrite.

   
QuoteWhile I understand where you're coming from, as media, because I know how important media was for Ferguson, because the police in that area were trying to shut down black voices by shutting down the media... I do understand where you're coming from there. However, if we think about the general context of the situation, these peaceful protesters became aggravated when people encroached onto their peacefulness, so whenever they're feeling harassed, attacked, I hope you'd understand how someone in that situation who is subjugated to all kinds of aggressive behavior on a daily basis, like these people are, that behavior will be seen as... we need to protect ourselves from this behavior.

    So while we understand the importance of the media having their first amendment rights to film, to do these things, there was a press conference later that day where these, you know, things could be asked and resolved. In this situation, it just seems that the systematic aggressiveness against black bodies that continues in our society whenever is crying out to be left in peace and have a moment so they can make the next move and be equal - in the sense of their voices being heard. You know, there is a time and place for you to go forward and ask people questions and take pictures, things like that. But when people are assaulting you, I do not think that was right, but as others said, what else would have been able... your entitlement to get that story, that entitlement to go into that space, that is what I'm having a problem with.

    We're very thankful that you are doing your best to combat racism, the things that you want, but the problem that we're having in the audience is just this focus on an assault that would never have happened if this aggressive behavior wasn't, you know, I'm a small girl, if a person was coming to me aggressively, I would put my hands out in protection of my person. So I think that was - we're not haivng a problem with you as a person. I'm not speaking for everybody, but we have a problem with what you're saying about the assault. Because she was going and teaching classes, but before she touched that video... she touched you, she was peaceful. You know. She goes to class and teaches in peace. I'm sure she doesn't condone people pushing her. There have been media in Ferguson that went straight to jail with Blacklivesmatter. So we understand... do your job, but watch out. What you're seeing, what you're videoing, is aggressive, whenever it didn't need to become that way. I don't think these people wanted to become aggressive, but whenever you're constantly instigated, you're going to put your hands up. They didn't put fists up, they went like this. That is a very defensive.

I probably won't have the time to watch it all, this was triggering enough to me. Free speech is under attack from extremists who are every bit as racist as they claim their opponents are... but far more fascist, as they try to silence anyone who disagrees with them.
Title: Re: wave of protests for "safe spaces" in universities.
Post by: Jack89 on November 15, 2015, 03:07:07 PM
It's makes you wonder where these college kids are getting this stuff from.  Is this taught in their classes? Really?  They don't seem to realize that they are being obtusely racist, sexist, and suppressing the press and free speech.  They've gone so far left that they've become far right. I take that back, the far right wouldn't even go this far.  It's a little eerie.  The icing on the cake is that they had to make up incidents to protest in order to feed their victim mentality. 
Title: Re: wave of protests for "safe spaces" in universities.
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on November 15, 2015, 03:30:40 PM
If I were in college these days, I'd demand a trigger warning every time someone makes a progressive statement.  Let that confuse the heck out of the SJWs.
Title: Re: wave of protests for "safe spaces" in universities.
Post by: mauricio on November 15, 2015, 03:38:28 PM
AT 1:11:45 "White tears, stop it..."


OH FOR FUCKS SAKE!!! THIS PISSES ME OFF SO MUCH THIS GUY IS SO TAME WHY BULLY HIM ABOUT HIS AUTISM WITH RACIST REMARKS LIKE THAT WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THAT PERSON.
Title: Re: wave of protests for "safe spaces" in universities.
Post by: peacewithoutgod on November 15, 2015, 04:22:51 PM
Intolerance has no place on any legitimate college campus, and those who demand it be "safe" for their ideas need to go home. You have the right not to be physically assaulted, but if you are in any way deserving of a college degree, then your ideas should be expected to fend for themselves against anyone who can attack them, as they should be permitted to do within very weak parameters. Bring bad ideas to the campus square, and they will get butt-raped, and it will be nobody's fault other than your own!
Title: Re: wave of protests for "safe spaces" in universities.
Post by: josephpalazzo on November 15, 2015, 05:24:14 PM
We need to re-institute the draft. Put all these spoiled brats into boot camps and six weeks later, ready or not, send them off to fight ISIS.
Title: Re: wave of protests for "safe spaces" in universities.
Post by: mauricio on November 15, 2015, 05:32:25 PM
https://archive.is/uhUSd

Good old rebecca watson being a cunt in the comments and pz myers being his regular imbecilic self.

Good thing the chemo has killed most of this cancer, freethoughtblogs traffic has gone to shit and I heard skepticon attendance is going under too. Meanwhile the traffic of their opponents like thunderf00t has soared.
Title: Re: wave of protests for "safe spaces" in universities.
Post by: mauricio on November 15, 2015, 05:37:31 PM
Mark schierbecker expressing his true feelings on the issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkjEe_7IOu8
Title: Re: wave of protests for "safe spaces" in universities.
Post by: mauricio on November 16, 2015, 11:34:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjkhBVvw7RI
Title: Re: wave of protests for "safe spaces" in universities.
Post by: Baruch on November 17, 2015, 07:08:05 AM
Quote from: mauricio on November 13, 2015, 03:54:58 PM
shit man that was brutal, her idealism is so devoid of thought about the practical implications...

If one was practical, one wouldn't ask one's parents to pay $100,000 for a college education in the first place.  Its a trap!