QuoteThey’re drawn to the movement for reasons that have little to do with belief in extremist Islam.
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Lydia Wilson
Interesting article about what really seems to motivate ISIS fighters and very little has to do with radical Islam and more to do with wanting peace and security.
http://www.thenation.com/article/what-i-discovered-from-interviewing-isis-prisoners/
Good article. And it definitely agrees with what my son said about Iraq. We would be better off with Saddam in place imo. We totally destabilized the region by attacking Iraq. We are now reaping what we sowed.
Quote from: stromboli on October 21, 2015, 09:24:51 PM
Good article. And it definitely agrees with what my son said about Iraq. We would be better off with Saddam in place imo. We totally destabilized the region by attacking Iraq. We are now reaping what we sowed.
Exactly my thoughts.
It was in part, irrational fear of Muslims, that led to the invasion of Iraq ... so like most fear/hate situations, it is self fulfilling. After pissing many of them off, we now have real fear of Muslims.
You have to think that the war in /on Iraq was and is a arms manufacturer wet dream come true. The American public and the European public received nothing from the endeavor except tax bills, hundreds of thousands needlessly killed, endless war just so the people who profit from it can all have lavish lifestyles and all along we're still being told that we should feel safer. I'd feel a lot safer if everyone in the Bush administration were taken out and shot.
It's ironic that even though every enemy has to be demonized we've been sold on the notion that people are attracted to ISIS because they're all the most evil of all time bar none. The public eats this shit up because of a beheading or so, the crucifiction to make it seem like this is some sort of referendum against Christianity and if not defeated the hoards will all magically sail across the Atlantic ocean and start beheading innocent little baby girls and kittens too.
It's tough to blame anyone there for wanting to oust the US and European forces who brought nothing but misery and destruction and poverty on an industrial scale. The phenomena that apparently ISIS was borne of the utter disastrous policies of the Bush administration when they disbanded the Iraqi army and the political institutions leaving people unable to feed their families then installed the puppet regime with the sectarian extremists. Yet we still have to make them all out to be so much worse than anything we ever did.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on October 22, 2015, 02:18:29 PM
It's ironic that even though every enemy has to be demonized we've been sold on the notion that people are attracted to ISIS because they're all the most evil of all time bar none. The public eats this shit up because of a beheading or so, the crucifiction to make it seem like this is some sort of referendum against Christianity and if not defeated the hoards will all magically sail across the Atlantic ocean and start beheading innocent little baby girls and kittens too.
It's tough to blame anyone there for wanting to oust the US and European forces who brought nothing but misery and destruction and poverty on an industrial scale. The phenomena that apparently ISIS was borne of the utter disastrous policies of the Bush administration when they disbanded the Iraqi army and the political institutions leaving people unable to feed their families then installed the puppet regime with the sectarian extremists. Yet we still have to make them all out to be so much worse than anything we ever did.
US = good, THEM = bad ... hence in English, US is exceptional. I read a bio about a young Japanese man ... who was in HS during WW II. It was inconceivable to him at the time that Japan was wrong about anything. Young Hitler felt the same after WW I. And all nations are just like that ... brain dead hyenas from Lion King.
I always assumed terrorist activity was founded on a love of violence for the sake of violence itself. The cause was just an excuse. Not too far off from this article, which downplays violence and substitutes glory, adventure, and excitement (violent excitement sometimes). The point is that for many of these fighters, the cause is secondary to the extent that they often don't even understand what it's about. This makes sense to me. In the US, these types would join the Crypts and the Bloods, and begin a life of pointless violence.
There is the psychology of the individual fighter ... assuming that they are even sane. And there are the people using unstable people. The CIA and KGB are good at this. The Nazis had to find camp guards somewhere.