https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDk5mlas_fg
Man, I love this guy's videos! Just the right amount of snark and scientific skepticism.
This flat Earther is so dumb that he might be on my short list of dumbest youtubers ever. The best part was when he seriously claimed that astronauts (allegedly) on the moon would've gotten pelted by micrometeorites. Obviously, meteorite and micrometeorite impacts do happen - the moon has craters for a reason - but he seriously overestimates the risk. I'd be like claiming that due to the high number of lightning strikes on the Earth (an average of 44/sec), you couldn't walk to your car without getting zapped.
lmao what the fuck is wrong with this flat earther this is hilarious. Armored skeptic is pretty entertaining.
Flat Earth Society is a serious source for 'fun' after you passed the 'I don't know if I should laugh or cry to this ' phase.
E: I like Armoured Sceptic. His common sense and general approach beats a lot of 'sceptics' out there, besides his intelligence. I especially like that he puts a distance between the character called Armour Sceptic that created and himself as a real person. I haven't seen him throwing any hatred to any group ou there, but just plainly ciritcising acts, concepts, beliefs and media...from the biggest picture.
In one of his video, he talks about how he is subscribed to a very various point of views while not attached to anything but rationality.
When I heard the voice over saying: men lie... I thought that could be Baruch doing the talking...
On a serious note: one flaw in that video. Matter does not displace space but space-time. It's a common mistake.
Thanks for the defamation ... or are we talking economic deflation ;-) All words are equal in Newspeak. I love this guy in the helmet ... he may be using laymen's terms, but his rhetoric is hilarious. He should go into politics (tis the season and Obama was mentioned, the new version of "you lose if you mention Hitler first"). All the politicians heads would explode from all the crap they have stuffed between their ears, and the guy in the helmet wouldn't have any concern about relieving the pressure. Skepticism is good, even if someone isn't trying to sell you something ... though nut cases like Pyrrho will take it too far, all the way to epistemological nihilism.
And yes, men do lie, often in bed, often with someone else, often on top of that someone else, doing adults know what. See, see ... "lie" vs "lie" ... Newspeak is real!
So you were the one that Johnny Cash was singing about? My sincere commiseration. My real first name is Nancy ;-))
Quote from: Baruch on October 15, 2015, 07:14:13 AM
So you were the one that Johnny Cash was singing about? My sincere commiseration. My real first name is Nancy ;-))
Why do you have to cast aspersion on someone who is dead... I guess nothing is sacred for you. Your resentment towards life knows no bound.
I joined the International Flat Earth Society back in 1982. When my clearances came up for review they had that information in my file. We had a good laugh about that. Except the dour FBI dude. He never smiled once. Made me wonder just how dangerous a flat Earth was.
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 15, 2015, 02:25:26 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDk5mlas_fg
[derail]I note his "expression" is straight out of anime.* One eye wide open, the other squeeze shut. Can anyone tell me what that's supposed to convey?
*"Anime" because I have never heard of "hentai". Seriously, never.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on October 15, 2015, 07:33:23 AM
I joined the International Flat Earth Society back in 1982. When my clearances came up for review they had that information in my file. We had a good laugh about that. Except the dour FBI dude. He never smiled once. Made me wonder just how dangerous a flat Earth was.
Perhaps you could be taken as a mental case and thus a potential risk.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on October 15, 2015, 07:39:47 AM
Perhaps you could be taken as a mental case and thus a potential risk.
That was the chuckle part. I'd had various clearances for the previous 12 years and TPTB never had any issues at review time. The pshrink's review had included the statement that "Petty officer is saner than most of my staff." I would have added "...or me" that line, but he must have forgotten to do so.
What's worse, a guy in a tinfoil hat saying gravity isn't real or a Bible thumper saying gravity isn't about attraction between forces in space but it's really just the weight of God's love on you?
Quote from: TomFoolery on October 15, 2015, 08:45:21 AM
What's worse, a guy in a tinfoil hat saying gravity isn't real or a Bible thumper saying gravity isn't about attraction between forces in space but it's really just the weight of God's love on you?
FYI: Newton, the discoverer of gravity's mathematical formula, had such a belief.
Flat hell no it's concave.
https://youtu.be/h6fTmXgvD5A
Proof that the earth is flat .. If you look closely you can see that I can see a shoe on my back porch and everyone knows that shoe is in Turkey and I'm in South Carolina, USA.
(http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q490/atheola/IMG_20151015_111420.jpg)
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on October 15, 2015, 07:39:00 AM
[derail]I note his "expression" is straight out of anime.* One eye wide open, the other squeeze shut. Can anyone tell me what that's supposed to convey?
Skepticism.
The forum is getting more entertaining lately. Thanks guys! :08: :08:
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on October 15, 2015, 07:39:00 AM
[derail]I note his "expression" is straight out of anime.* One eye wide open, the other squeeze shut. Can anyone tell me what that's supposed to convey?
Is it supposed to be like Spock raising one eyebrow maybe?
That video was a fun ride. I wonder how many people believe that shit though.
Flat earth recipe.
Take some confirmation bias , straw man arguments, some intellectual dishonesty,add in appeals to ignorance and popularity to taste , mix well with circular arguments, then bake until half done in a conspiracy oven.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on October 15, 2015, 11:23:59 AM
Proof that the earth is flat .. If you look closely you can see that I can see a shoe on my back porch and everyone knows that shoe is in Turkey and I'm in South Carolina, USA.
(http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q490/atheola/IMG_20151015_111420.jpg)
Checkmate, atheists.
Quote from: Termin on October 15, 2015, 04:13:22 PM
Flat earth recipe.
Take some confirmation bias , straw man arguments, some intellectual dishonesty, add in appeals to ignorance and popularity to taste , mix well with circular arguments, then bake until half done in a conspiracy oven.
You forgot an unhealthy aversion to the scientific method and moving the goalposts until they're in orbit around the planet.
Gravity doesn't exit.
The Earth sucks.
Quote from: TomFoolery on October 15, 2015, 05:50:45 PM
You forgot an unhealthy aversion to the scientific method and moving the goalposts until they're in orbit around the planet.
That would be an improvement for some of them actually :(
Quote from: josephpalazzo on October 15, 2015, 07:18:54 AM
Why do you have to cast aspersion on someone who is dead... I guess nothing is sacred for you. Your resentment towards life knows no bound.
I find your harping on "resentment" reminds me of the "lady doth protest too much". I wasn't criticizing Johnny Cash you nimrod ;-))
Quote from: josephpalazzo on October 15, 2015, 09:02:00 AM
FYI: Newton, the discoverer of gravity's mathematical formula, had such a belief.
Ah yes, the alchemist, interpreter of Revelations, gay academic and scourge of counterfeiters. Leibniz looked better in a peruke ;-)
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 15, 2015, 11:30:15 AM
Skepticism.
More like ... "I can't believe how stupid this guy is, but I am going to explain just how stupid he is shortly".
Quote from: Solitary on October 15, 2015, 11:31:45 AM
The forum is getting more entertaining lately. Thanks guys! :08: :08:
In hard times, it is difficult to save up for a cents of humor ;-)
To me, the craziest thing about believing in a flat earth is that this is in age where you can hop on a plane and circumnavigate the globe and never see an edge. And every single time the Earth or any other planet has been photographed, there's no edge. Nada. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what an object with no edges would look like. I mean, the ancient Greeks figured that one out and the technology of the time was pretty crude. They essentially just measured shadows at different sites and did some trig calculations. Or easier still, note that some stars can be seen in some places and not at other places and deduce that the Earth cannot be flat because if it were, they would be visible at both places. It just boggles the mind that modern human beings could possibly champion the idea of a flat earth.
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 17, 2015, 02:57:06 AM
To me, the craziest thing about believing in a flat earth is that this is in age where you can hop on a plane and circumnavigate the globe and never see an edge. And every single time the Earth or any other planet has been photographed, there's no edge. Nada. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what an object with no edges would look like. I mean, the ancient Greeks figured that one out and the technology of the time was pretty crude. They essentially just measured shadows at different sites and did some trig calculations. Or easier still, note that some stars can be seen in some places and not at other places and deduce that the Earth cannot be flat because if it were, they would be visible at both places. It just boggles the mind that modern human beings could possibly champion the idea of a flat earth.
The ancient Greeks were a lot smarter than the average American. The dummying of the culture started with Reagan, and it has been quite successful, sadly.
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 17, 2015, 02:57:06 AM
It just boggles the mind that modern human beings could possibly champion the idea of a flat earth.
It is indeed a hard psychological dynamic to understand. When I think about it, the only way I can account for not believing something that is so obvious is prideful ignorance. But even that is not very satisfying. If it is prideful ignorance, and it might not be since I'm basically just grasping at straws, what purpose would that serve a person? Proving how stubborn one can be? Proving how stupid one can be?
If someone has convinced themselves it is an elaborate conspiracy theory, what would be the practical goal of such a conspiracy? And it would have to be elaborate, with at least half the people on planet in on it.
However, as far as wacky ideas go, this one is closer to the bottom of the popularity list of wacky ideas. It certainly does have some supporters, but they are rare. I've never actually met a flat Earther. Looking at it as a rare anomaly, it might be easier to understand. Out of 5 billion people, you are bound to find a few with very strange ideas, delusions, and odd mental defects. And trying to identify the one theoretical umbrella that explains all flat Earther psychology, might be impossible.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on October 17, 2015, 04:01:27 AM
The ancient Greeks were a lot smarter than the average American. The dummying of the culture started with Reagan, and it has been quite successful, sadly.
You could have chosen Carter instead of Reagan ... that is like a fingerprint!
SGOS - There was a mental health case, where a man mistook his wife for a hat. I think for some people, the ideas are just internal word salad, tossed.
Quote from: Baruch on October 17, 2015, 10:44:48 AM
You could have chosen Carter instead of Reagan ... that is like a fingerprint!
Absolutely not. It was Reagan that open up the GOP to Falwell's Moral Majority and the ensuing religious nut-heads. Today the religious right with their bubble at Fox News have dominated the political landscape, and have royally screwed the educational system ever since.
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 17, 2015, 02:57:06 AM
To me, the craziest thing about believing in a flat earth is that this is in age where you can hop on a plane and circumnavigate the globe and never see an edge.
You have to understand that they have excuses for everything. there is no edge to the world. There is a conspiracy that keeps people out of Antarctica, because it's not what is seems. Antarctica is a land ring around the disc with a large impassable ice wall, beyond which the so called dome exists.
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 17, 2015, 02:57:06 AM
" And every single time the Earth or any other planet has been photographed, there's no edge."
Well you have to understand every single picture of space is either fake or doctored. There is no outerspace btw, we are not seeing stars or planets, those are merely projections on the dome.
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 17, 2015, 02:57:06 AM
" Nada. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what an object with no edges would look like. I mean, the ancient Greeks figured that one out and the technology of the time was pretty crude. They essentially just measured shadows at different sites and did some trig calculations."
Flat earthers simply changed both the size of the sun and the distance of the sun to account for this.
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 17, 2015, 02:57:06 AM
Or easier still, note that some stars can be seen in some places and not at other places and deduce that the Earth cannot be flat because if it were, they would be visible at both places. It just boggles the mind that modern human beings could possibly champion the idea of a flat earth.
Most I'm sure are trolls or poes.
I hope.
Quote from: SGOS on October 17, 2015, 06:56:24 AM
It is indeed a hard psychological dynamic to understand. When I think about it, the only way I can account for not believing something that is so obvious is prideful ignorance.
Well, part of it is definitely religion. Out of the less than a dozen times I've heard this stuff seriously peddled, it's always conjoined with Christian beliefs. The Bible is of course not especially scientifically accurate, but adherents are conditioned to believe that this stuff is the height of wisdom. So when it speaks about the four corners of the world, they take that seriously. Only global (heh) acceptance of a spherical world and an abundance of physical proof pushes this idea to the fringe rather than the mainstream.
Quote from: SGOS on October 17, 2015, 06:56:24 AM
It is indeed a hard psychological dynamic to understand. When I think about it, the only way I can account for not believing something that is so obvious is prideful ignorance. But even that is not very satisfying. If it is prideful ignorance, and it might not be since I'm basically just grasping at straws, what purpose would that serve a person? Proving how stubborn one can be? Proving how stupid one can be?
For me this just further illustrates just how strong willful ignorance is. The bible talks of the four corners. So, the earth must be flat. Simple. The bible also tells them that faith has to be blind to be authentic and that the wise person is the person who holds to faith no matter what. That ensures them entrance into heaven. Facts and reason have little to no chance of breaching that kind of armor. It blows my mind every time I run across that way of being--but there are millions and millions who believe in that manner.
That and most religious are literal, because they are metaphor-challenged. They think that if you look at a verse metaphorically, then you are a heretic.
Quote from: Baruch on October 17, 2015, 02:55:24 PM
That and most religious are literal, because they are metaphor-challenged. They think that if you look at a verse metaphorically, then you are a heretic.
It's also that if your metaphorical interpretation is different than my metaphorical interpretation, you are a heretic.
Quote from: Baruch on October 17, 2015, 02:55:24 PM
That and most religious are literal, because they are metaphor-challenged. They think that if you look at a verse metaphorically, then you are a heretic.
And yet one of the passages used by flat Earthers is in Daniel, where he interprets a dream by king Nebuchadnezzar , and no where in his interpretation does he say the earth is flat.
The bible literally says , it's a dream, and then explains what it really means, if you can't figure out that's a metaphor, there is something wrong with you :)
US Navy Missile Instructor confirms FLAT EARTH - SW21 Interview. Published on 20 September 2015
This is gold.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJOB0vcZ4NI
Comments section is highly reccomended.
There is a dialogue about taking a flight to observe the curvature and the how flight got canceled 36 hours before.
PS Munch, don't miss the Navy Seals pic.
US Navy Submarine Chief: What Curve? - Flat Earth SW23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFi98T8phoI
Flight Instructor: We All Fly Over a Flat Earth.
Observe the planes, by the way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TL30VW5hJY
Update: the dumbass flatearther in question makes a bigger fool out of himself than before (he tries to rebut the rebuttal and fails spectacularly)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPD6WpF6p3s
The best part was when Skeptic asked him what he believes keeps him on the planet since he doesn't believe in gravity. His answer? "Weight." :embarrassed:
This blew my mind because weight is mass times the force of gravity. The concept of weight entails the existence of gravity. So yeah, doesn't make sense as a reply and demonstrates the level of cluelessness we're talking about here. It'd be like asking someone who doesn't believe in radiation what's going on with the Cherenkov effect (the glow in a nuclear reactor) and he responds, "That's nuclear decay." It's like, do you not know that you're denying something in one breath and affirming it in another?!
P.S. - and this piece of human refuse somehow gets ~$300/month from Patreon patrons just to blather arguments from incredulity and conspiratorial nonsense that even a kid in elementary school could shoot down under the risable guise of "searching for truth". Granted, that's not Joshua "balla" Feuerstein money, but damn, if I could slap together some complete BS for that chunk of change, I'd quit my job in a heartbeat!
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 15, 2015, 03:27:21 AM
The best part was when Skeptic asked him what he believes keeps him on the planet since he doesn't believe in gravity. His answer? "Weight." :embarrassed:
Well you see, if the Earth were a sphere, everything would be normal at the North Pole because you would be standing at the very top, but as you walked down toward the equator, you would start to slip and slide, not much at first, but the closer you got to the equator, the more you would slip until you would eventually slip right down on your ass and begin sliding faster and faster as the ground became more and more vertical. As you passed the equator, you would be sliding, oh I don't know, like a hundred miles an hour, which is faster than a jet plane, even. Pretty soon you would be on your way to the bottom of the Earth, and you would try to hang onto tree branches and vines, or you would start to fall away from the Earth, and now you would be going even faster, like I don't know, maybe 115 miles an hour. Eventually, you would see the elephant and the turtles, until you get to the last turtle, and then it would be "splat city," and you would die.
Since this doesn't happen, the Earth has to be flat.
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 15, 2015, 03:27:21 AM
Update: the dumbass flatearther in question makes a bigger fool out of himself than before (he tries to rebut the rebuttal and fails spectacularly)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPD6WpF6p3s
The best part was when Skeptic asked him what he believes keeps him on the planet since he doesn't believe in gravity. His answer? "Weight." :embarrassed:
It's common among flat earther's to deny a given theory, then replace it with something that is really just the same thing, just with a different name.
Quote from: Termin on November 20, 2015, 04:41:04 PM
It's common among flat earther's to deny a given theory, then replace it with something that is really just the same thing, just with a different name.
That is what Einstein did with Newton. But professionally, not as a lay person ... except he really was just a smart ass patent clerk ;-))
Newton said ... he didn't know what gravity was, just that it existed, and could be calculated.
Einstein said ... Newton was mostly correct, but that there was a more accurate calculation.
For most people, this GR which is celebrating its 100th anniversary this month, is "just another theory". Namely that the numbers calculate out almost the same, and that the reason for calculating one way vs another way ... is pretty unimportant. This is like wanting to get the correct answer on a test, but not caring about the subject being taught.