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Title: Three really real miracles on the set of "The Bible"!
Post by: Valigarmander on March 14, 2013, 02:34:05 PM
No, really! It says so on The Blaze! (//http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/11/3-real-life-miracles-that-took-place-on-the-set-of-the-bible/)

QuoteMark Burnett and Roma Downey's "The Bible" has received a plethora of press and attention since its debut on March 3. But one of the elements surrounding the television series that hasn't been discussed much is the fascinating set of miracles (some might simply dismiss them as odd occurrences) that took place on set — a series of events that, at the least, are both curious and stirring.

In various interviews over the course of the past few months, Burnett and Downey have been open about their view that the project was blessed by God and that they could feel his "hand" throughout the filming process.

And now, they're speaking out about some of the bizarre instances that confirmed their contention that the Lord was overseeing "The Bible." In a recent interview, Burnett told Entertainment Weekly, "The hand of God was on this."

Here are just a few of the occurrences that convinced the two that the five-part series was being blessed by God:

1) Jesus Speaking to Nicodemus: As they were filming a scene depicting Jesus Christ (played by actor Diogo Morgado) speaking with Nicodemus, a priest and a central character in the book of John, an intriguing thing happened. Just as Morgado (obviously channeling Jesus) said that the Holy Spirit is like the wind (referencing John 3:8), the wind where the cast and crew were filming literally picked up on its own.

According to the Daily Mail, Burnett described the event as follows: "At that moment, a wind, like as if a 747 was taking off, blew his hair, almost blew the set over and sustained for 20 seconds across the desert."

Obviously, the cast and crew were surprised. But the oddities didn't end there.

2) Jesus' Crucifixion: When TheBlaze met with Burnett and Downey to screen scenes from the film late last year, the two explained the difficulties surrounding the crucifixion scene. Considering its dangers, it was among the most difficult to film. But outside of these dangers, there was a potentially-calamitous natural occurrence that stunned the cast and crew.

Burnett and Downey had hired a "snake wrangler" to round up any dangerous reptiles throughout the filming. Normally, as the Daily Mail notes, the catcher would find one or two snakes. But on the day of filming for the crucifixion scene, he rounded up 48 potentially-lethal snakes on the mountain (i.e. set).

3) Jesus' Baptism: Christ's baptism scene was yet another one that yielded a bizarre happening. As Morgado was acting out the famous Biblical story, an irreplaceable piece of his costume floated away. Likely assuming they'd never see it again, the producers were astounded when a child appeared a few days later to return the article of clothing.

"Four days later, a kid showed up from many, many, many miles away, who had been seeking us through the desert to return this to us," Burnett said in an interview with entertainment weekly. "He didn't know what it was why he should seek us, but he felt he had to return it."

What do you think — mere coincidences or evidence of God's intervention? You decide.

1. The wind blew really hard! In a desert! How does that even happen?
2. The snake catcher caught more snakes than usual! Like, way more!
3. A kid returned a lost prop! It defies all laws of physics!

I'm done, guys. God is real, there's no doubt about it.
Title: Re: Three really real miracles on the set of "The Bible"!
Post by: widdershins on March 14, 2013, 03:41:39 PM
Quote...one of the elements surrounding the television series that hasn't been discussed much is the fascinating set of miracles (some might simply dismiss them as odd occurrences)...
Can you REALLY define it as a "miracle" if it can easily be dismissed as an odd occurrence?

Miracles in the Bible: lepers healed of all sign of affliction, water turned into wine, walking on water, raising the dead.

Miracles on the set: unexpected wind, a nest of snakes found, someone returns a lost prop.

Is it just me or have the expectations of God REALLY dropped off over the last two millennium?  Seriously, THIS is what passes for magic these days?  My belly hurts.  Hey!  I farted just in time to feel better!  Miracle!!!
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Post by: Plu on March 14, 2013, 04:09:20 PM
It speaks of terrible incompetence that they even have an "irreplacable costume part" in the first place. Almost like these people have no clue how to properly make a movie.

Or, you know, are spreading bullocks to up their rating.
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Post by: Colanth on March 14, 2013, 05:00:38 PM
When I was in the supermarket today, just as I passed the snack aisle, I suddenly remembered that my great nephew said, last night, that we were out of potato chips.

Now that's a real miracle.  Who thinks of potato chips when they see "chips" on the aisle sign?  It must have been Gawd reminding me.
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Post by: stromboli on March 14, 2013, 05:04:53 PM
Underwhelmed in a major way.
Title: Re: Three really real miracles on the set of "The Bible"!
Post by: pato15 on March 14, 2013, 05:20:03 PM
So wait, doesn't #2 mean God was trying to kill them?
Title: Re: Three really real miracles on the set of "The Bible"!
Post by: Simon Moon on March 14, 2013, 07:16:53 PM
Quote from: "Valigarmander"1. The wind blew really hard! In a desert! How does that even happen?
2. The snake catcher caught more snakes than usual! Like, way more!
3. A kid returned a lost prop! It defies all laws of physics!

I'm done, guys. God is real, there's no doubt about it.

You know they're grasping at straws when unusual occurrences become elevated to miracles. And I'm really stretching it by calling any of those 'unusual occurrences'.

Pretty ridiculous.
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Post by: NitzWalsh on March 15, 2013, 03:31:03 AM
This is like Jim Caviezel getting struck by lightening a few times while they were filming that snuff film Passion of the Christ.
Title: Re: Three really real miracles on the set of "The Bible"!
Post by: Jason78 on March 15, 2013, 06:16:20 AM
Quote"The hand of God was on this."

Show me on the doll where the hand of God touched you.
Title: Re: Three really real miracles on the set of "The Bible"!
Post by: BarkAtTheMoon on March 15, 2013, 10:26:20 AM
Quote from: "widdershins"
Quote...one of the elements surrounding the television series that hasn't been discussed much is the fascinating set of miracles (some might simply dismiss them as odd occurrences)...
Can you REALLY define it as a "miracle" if it can easily be dismissed as an odd occurrence?

Miracles in the Bible: lepers healed of all sign of affliction, water turned into wine, walking on water, raising the dead.

Miracles on the set: unexpected wind, a nest of snakes found, someone returns a lost prop.

Is it just me or have the expectations of God REALLY dropped off over the last two millennium?  Seriously, THIS is what passes for magic these days?  My belly hurts.  Hey!  I farted just in time to feel better!  Miracle!!!

And knowing the average Christian "miracle" tale, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if those stories were either exaggerated or never even happened.
Title: Re: Three really real miracles on the set of "The Bible"!
Post by: zacherystaylor on March 15, 2013, 10:43:25 AM
If you want real hard evidence of a "miracle" or unsolved mystery I'll stick with the large volume of megaliths moved by the ancients. None of the experiments with limited technology suceeded in moving any close to the largest ones. Efforts over ten tons all seem to ahve involved cheating or falure. However that still doesn't indicate evidence of "God" certainly not one that is bennevelant and willing to comunicate.
Title: Re: Three really real miracles on the set of "The Bible"!
Post by: Thought2Much on March 17, 2013, 08:20:01 AM
Quote from: "Jason78"
Quote"The hand of God was on this."

Show me on the doll where the hand of God touched you.

This forum has no way to "vote up" or give reputation points to posts, which makes me sad that I can't give some sort of "thumbs up" for this post.  =D>
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Post by: Fidel_Castronaut on March 17, 2013, 09:44:16 AM
I got turned on reading this thread. The hand of god must have touched me.
Title: Re: Three really real miracles on the set of "The Bible"!
Post by: SGOS on March 17, 2013, 10:19:56 AM
Quote from: "Valigarmander"1. The wind blew really hard! In a desert! How does that even happen?
2. The snake catcher caught more snakes than usual! Like, way more!
3. A kid returned a lost prop! It defies all laws of physics!
By performing miracles that wonderously mirror random events, God sends secret messages that only his followers can recognize.  Those who have closed their hearts, just see normal things.
Title: Re: Three really real miracles on the set of "The Bible"!
Post by: GurrenLagann on March 17, 2013, 12:53:59 PM
Wind, snakes and returned property? CHECKMATE ATHEISTS! Hell, I had my on little miracle: Yahweh guided me to finding my car keys this morning! Hallelujah Bejesus!
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Post by: aitm on March 17, 2013, 01:17:04 PM
yeah..back "in the ole days" i.e "when people thought the sky was water" ole god could do some pretty amazing miracles....alas.. he is pretty much down to having images appear on toast, cheeseburgers, doors and the smear inside a toilet...mighty powerful god there.
Title: Re: Three really real miracles on the set of "The Bible"!
Post by: Hydra009 on March 17, 2013, 02:56:53 PM
A nearby streetlight turned on right as I had an amazing idea.  Miracle!
I once lost my car keys and eventually found them in my other pair of pants.  Miracle!
I tripped and nearly fell, but steadied myself and didn't fall.  Miracle!

Praise be whatever god I already believe in!!!
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Post by: NeoLogic26 on March 17, 2013, 03:03:56 PM
Roma Downey was one the angels on that sickeningly saccharine "Touched by an Angel" series. Using these stories to boost ratings would not surprise me.

As an aside, has anyone else seen commercials for the American Bible Challenge gameshow?  Apparently it's in its second season so I guess there are people out there willing to watch and be on a show where the winnings probably go to charity.
Title: Re: Three really real miracles on the set of "The Bible"!
Post by: jonnytexas on March 19, 2013, 01:37:38 PM
I guess god was too busy making a breeze to stop pedophiles or the spread of aids from papal decrees.  Oh yeah, I forgot, "he works in mysterious ways..."
Title: Re: Three really real miracles on the set of "The Bible"!
Post by: Brian37 on March 19, 2013, 02:16:19 PM
I fucking hate the word "miracle". I was just discussing this with my older sister who still believes. And she used the same standard "personal experience" and news stories of "impossible survivals" and she said "but the doctors said it was a "miracle".

First off being smart and being right about some things does not make you right about all things. Secondly there are doctors of all faiths with all sorts of medical degrees all over the world, which would still stick believers with the problem of "which one".

If everything a person utters is true by default then Newton's Alchemy should still exist just because he was smart. He got physics right but Alchemy was junk and he eventually discarded it.

So what is really going on is the person using the word "miracle" does not realize mentally they are in "awe" of something  defying the odds.

The other example I use is this.

You have two plane crashes with 300 people on each flight. The first flight only one person dies and the believer calls it a miracle. But on the other fight 299 people die and only one survives, and still they call that a miracle. When does it cease to be a miracle? When half die and the other half dont?

The truth would be even if the black boxes were destroyed the explanation would still be weather, mechanics, pilot error, speed and angle of impact, or a combo of those.

Now my sister brought up a kid who had been shot in the head and the doctors said he shouldn't have survived. Ok, but the fact is he did so all that means is he defied the odds and conditions were just in the right timing to produce that outcome.

This also brings up the issue of selection bias and sample rate error. She doesn't take into account all the people who don't survive because she merely sees what she wants to see because she is does not have a big enough sample rate. What atheist see because we do see everything, is that life is ultimately a crap shoot and sometimes you get lucky, but no matter what everyone's luck runs out no matter what.


But there was absolutely no sky daddy or magic involved.
Title: Re: Three really real miracles on the set of "The Bible"!
Post by: Seabear on March 19, 2013, 03:50:01 PM
Quote from: "pato15"So wait, doesn't #2 mean God was trying to kill them?

My thoughts exactly. How does the presence of dozens of snakes equate to a miracle from God? Just the opposite, I would think... maybe Satan was trying to stop them from spreading the good word!
Title: Re: Three really real miracles on the set of "The Bible"!
Post by: widdershins on March 19, 2013, 04:37:15 PM
Quote from: "Seabear"
Quote from: "pato15"So wait, doesn't #2 mean God was trying to kill them?

My thoughts exactly. How does the presence of dozens of snakes equate to a miracle from God? Just the opposite, I would think... maybe Satan was trying to stop them from spreading the good word!
You don't even see your misstep.  The snakes were helpful to the movie, meaning Satan WANTED them to make it because it's full of lies to lead people away from the one true path!  Now I want a garden.  In that garden I want a cobblestone path with a sign that reads "One True Path".  Shortly after starting I want that path to split, turn, cross itself and lead back to the beginning.  I think I have problems focusing sometimes.