Just a simple question with a simple answer; Yes.
After looking at things like this:
http://www.worldvision.org/sponsorship/how-sponsorship-works
I am reminded that the majority of Christians want to be "good" in the respect that they are perceived to be benevolent towards other people. And they do go out of their way to be helpful... some of the better ones at least. We can all immediately see their selfishness of their actions, but why do we focus on that? "Religion is the opiate of the masses" Marx once said, but who's to say Opium is all bad? Opium is a way of coping with the world's harsh nature, and Religion is the same. It may not be healthy, or sane, but we should give respect to philanthropic actions of Christians...When they happen...Even when it's satire (Now's your cue Mom!):grin:
We should devote a post occasionally on what religion has done that's actually good, and recognize that the same goodness is going to be released when they convert.
I shall now reflect on my actions and cower in fear as your ridicule my post today.
Edit: I have the weirdest case of Deja vu right now, anyone know where it's coming from? XD
if anyone does something good, like help someone in need, save someone from a bad accident or worse, gives money to an actual working charity, or just helps people in general, then yes, whatever they believe, they have good in them.
The buck stops when they begin to talk about how their goodness comes from god and his will is what makes them that way, I wouldn't tell them they are wrong given they've done some good, but if they were to push it as use it as substance to try and push others into believing in god, then it stops being about just doing good by your fellow mankind, and becomes a recruitment drive.
Quote from: Munch on July 03, 2015, 05:53:41 PM
The buck stops when they begin to talk about how their goodness comes from god and his will is what makes them that way, I wouldn't tell them they are wrong given they've done some good, but if they were to push it as use it as substance to try and push others into believing in god, then it stops being about just doing good by your fellow mankind, and becomes a recruitment drive.
I see, so it's the ads that make them suck, should have known. :doh:
Anyone who does something good , deserves any credit that comes along with it.
If i tripped up or slipped over, like I once did on an icey path, and someone came along and helped me up, I'd be very thankful. It they then poked a flyer in my face saying "God helps all of his children" I'd take the flyer, rip it in two, and say "thanks, but gods not my dad, my dads dead"
I dunno. I spent almost 2 years in homeless shelters run by the pious and received plenty of help despite the fact that they knew damned good and well that I am an atheist and not in the least bit interested in the crap they were peddling. .
Plenty offered to pray for me and I never let them down. Knock yourself out taking to the floor on my behalf. .
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on July 03, 2015, 07:04:23 PM
I dunno. I spent almost 2 years in homeless shelters run by the pious and received plenty of help despite the fact that they knew damned good and well that I am an atheist and not in the least bit interested in the crap they were peddling. .
Plenty offered to pray for me and I never let them down. Knock yourself out taking to the floor on my behalf. .
yeah, and Christians or whatever faith who respect you as an atheist enough not to bother to with their beliefs, I consider that a kindness onto itself, which would prove to me they are just decent people.
Oh great floor and sometimes ceiling may you give me guidance and strength to carry on. .
dtq, if that organization does what it says it does, then it is a very good thing. I have not looked into the matter, but that organization could be like another Red Cross--looking good on the outside, but being rotten on the inside. But at face value that looks to be an excellent organization doing a wonderful thing. Being christian is beside the point.
I'd further say that the vast majority of christians are good people. People who want to do good and only good. What makes that movement so dangerous is the hierarchy--the leaders are what make them dangerous. The fact that that leadership can condone anything it wants to by using the babble and stringing verses together for the good of the hierarchy.
It's the result that matters.
I'm not an utility pundit though.
Depends on their reasons for doing it. There are plenty of just plain decent people who just do the right thing, for whatever reason, and that's great, without qualification. A lot of people who work in my office do so because they feel genuinely called to do social service for religious reasons, and they do it in a non-religious way with the clients. I started doing it because it was an available job, and it's become a way for me to help those who need it, and I don't do it in an anti-religious way.
It's when things happen like a few years ago when Washington DC city government moved to allow equal marriage, and the local Catholic diocese threatened to end all homeless services -- for which they were being paid by the city -- if they did. To their credit, the city told the church to get stuffed and found other service providers. But it's fair to ask, what were they really doing city services for? To do the good work, or to have something in hand with which to try to blackmail the city into following their dogma rather than civil law?
Munch - my dad is gone now for 30 years this month. I was grateful that people he knew came to his funeral and wake ... even though he was an atheist. I never held his position against him.
I think the world needs more good acts and I for one try not to focus too much on the motivation behind them.
When I was in the Army I had a few people tell me I wasn't the same caliber of soldier as they were because I openly admitted to joining for the college money and a steady paycheck, whereas they obviously joined for duty and love of country and blah blah blah. Yet at the end of the month, they collected a paycheck too just the same way I did, so it wasn't only patriotism that made them want to serve.
As far as life goes, we're all in this shit together. Whether we do good things because of a belief in God, or money, or attention or any of it, it still beats doing shitty things. I for one subscribe to the theory that all altruism is selfish anyway. If God motivates a person to kindness, they're doing it because they want to go to Heaven. Even something done with no strings attached often serves as a novel way of making someone feel better about themselves, and is in its own way selfish.
For some reason, it makes me think of Christopher Hitchens' book, God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything. When I first read that title, my reaction was that there is a danger when anyone makes a claim that includes the word "everything". I would have avoided making such a claim myself, but after reading Hitchens, he does make a good case. I've pondered this trying to shoot a hole in his claim, and I really can't. Sure, religious people do some good things, just like a woman who poisons her spouse to get rid of him, probably does some good things too.
The question asks if I should give religion a pat on the back? Does any religion warrant praise for being a good religion? I don't think so. But the main issue for me is that no religion lives up the praise it heaps on itself. And that praise is the most grandiose praise one can make: "We represent the truth and the light, the love, and the salvation. We have the answers you need."
Asking if Christians deserve any credit, I'd say no. People deserve credit, sometimes... for some things, but religion poisons things. It makes the question seem irrelevant to me, but this is a thought I'm not sure of. It's pretty sweeping to say that, but it's pretty sweeping to say religion does more good than harm too.
I know plenty of Christians I like, but I would never give Christianity the credit for the good in those people.
Quote from: SGOS on July 04, 2015, 08:01:36 AM
For some reason, it makes me think of Christopher Hitchens' book, God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything. When I first read that title, my reaction was that there is a danger when anyone makes a claim that includes the word "everything". I would have avoided making such a claim myself, but after reading Hitchens, he does make a good case. I've pondered this trying to shoot a hole in his claim, and I really can't. Sure, religious people do some good things, just like a woman who poisons her spouse to get rid of him, probably does some good things too.
The question asks if I should give religion a pat on the back? Does any religion warrant praise for being a good religion? I don't think so. But the main issue for me is that no religion lives up the praise it heaps on itself. And that praise is the most grandiose praise one can make: "We represent the truth and the light, the love, and the salvation. We have the answers you need."
Asking if Christians deserve any credit, I'd say no. People deserve credit, sometimes... for some things, but religion poisons things. It makes the question seem irrelevant to me, but this is a thought I'm not sure of. It's pretty sweeping to say that, but it's pretty sweeping to say religion does more good than harm too.
I know plenty of Christians I like, but I would never give Christianity the credit for the good in those people.
Now that you mention it, SGOS. I tend to think the same way as you. That there are plenty of good people going to churches, but they are good despite their christian beliefs.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 04, 2015, 09:10:19 AM
Now that you mention it, SGOS. I tend to think the same way as you. That there are plenty of good people going to churches, but they are good despite their christian beliefs.
Not only that, if they really know the Bible's dusty teachings, they not only are good despite the Bible, but go straight against the Bible.
Quote from: Sal1981 on July 04, 2015, 09:49:04 AM
Not only that, if they really know the Bible's dusty teachings, they not only are good despite the Bible, but go straight against the Bible.
And I'm sure many of them are not even aware of that fact.
Sure
Quote from: Sal1981 on July 04, 2015, 09:49:04 AM
Not only that, if they really know the Bible's dusty teachings, they not only are good despite the Bible, but go straight against the Bible.
Huh?
Quote from: KingJ on July 07, 2015, 10:44:02 AM
Huh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK7P7uZFf5o
Dear Lord, Jesus, please forgive them for they know not what they are saying.
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Quote from: lstan135 on July 07, 2015, 02:35:12 PM
Dear Lord, Jesus, please forgive them for they know not what they are saying.
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Yeah, actually, we do. Do you?????
Dear lord voldemort, I ask thee to smite down lstan135 for not even being polite enough to make an introduction thread.
Now if voldemort doesn't smite you down, it means he's an all loving dark wizard.
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Quote from: Sal1981 on July 04, 2015, 09:49:04 AM
Not only that, if they really know the Bible's dusty teachings, they not only are good despite the Bible, but go straight against the Bible.
I disagree. Look at the way Jesus promoted people to live. He stopped a woman from being stoned to death, even though the law said that she could be killed for her sin. He told his followers to be kind, not only to the people they like, but also to the people they don't. Heck, he even told them to be kind to their enemies, the people who want to rob, harm, or kill you. The only time his words or actions promoted violence was in the temple, when the religious were trying to scam people out of their money. He treated all people with respect, including the ones who were deeply hated by most Jewish people, such as the tax collectors, Samaritans, prostitutes, and lepers. If Christians actually lived up to Jesus' standards, the world we live in would be very different.
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 09, 2015, 12:52:15 AM
I disagree. Look at the way Jesus promoted people to live. He stopped a woman from being stoned to death, even though the law said that she could be killed for her sin. He told his followers to be kind, not only to the people they like, but also to the people they don't. Heck, he even told them to be kind to their enemies, the people who want to rob, harm, or kill you. The only time his words or actions promoted violence was in the temple, when the religious were trying to scam people out of their money. He treated all people with respect, including the ones who were deeply hated by most Jewish people, such as the tax collectors, Samaritans, prostitutes, and lepers. If Christians actually lived up to Jesus' standards, the world we live in would be very different.
I'm talking about the whole Bible. You can find good deeds in the OT as well as NT, but as a whole; owning slaves, condemning homosexuality, genocide, and overall just evil acts does not even compare to the few disparate good deeds in the Bible. Even Jesus had a number of evil deeds and bad morality ascribed to him.
Sal1981 - The Bible is clearly the work of fallible men. Have never gotten why it is elevated above that. On the other hand, many people thru history, have not realized how many bad things are in it. Are at least a few more people getting it? I hope so.
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 09, 2015, 12:52:15 AM
I disagree. Look at the way Jesus promoted people to live. He stopped a woman from being stoned to death, even though the law said that she could be killed for her sin. He told his followers to be kind, not only to the people they like, but also to the people they don't. Heck, he even told them to be kind to their enemies, the people who want to rob, harm, or kill you. The only time his words or actions promoted violence was in the temple, when the religious were trying to scam people out of their money. He treated all people with respect, including the ones who were deeply hated by most Jewish people, such as the tax collectors, Samaritans, prostitutes, and lepers. If Christians actually lived up to Jesus' standards, the world we live in would be very different.
I understand your point, Blackleaf. Jesus is attributed to many good sayings and suggestions. But are not the things you mention at least a little bit of cherry picking? Consider that Jesus also said:
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. Luke 12:51
He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Revelation 19:11
The buybull is not all evil. There is some good wrapped in that blanket of evil. But that does not make the bible a great place to find one's morals. Plus, Jesus, like Moses, is a fiction. I find that there are plenty of flesh and blood people to quote (if I want to quote others) if I need or want to--don't need to quote fictional characters. In other words, in my view, Jesus is fictional. Just as all gods are fictional (Or mythical, as you will), as well.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 09, 2015, 08:52:29 AM
I understand your point, Blackleaf. Jesus is attributed to many good sayings and suggestions. But are not the things you mention at least a little bit of cherry picking? Consider that Jesus also said:
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. Luke 12:51
These two verses are two accounts of the same speech. In them, Jesus is quoting Micah 7, which warns readers to be careful who they trust. Even family can turn against you. The early days of Christianity were not easy for believers. They were often killed for their beliefs. One historian at the time (I can't remember who) described their bodies as lighting up the streets at night like street lamps. Converting from Judaism to Christianity was very risky, because the family could disown them or have them killed.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 09, 2015, 08:52:29 AMHe that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36
What's wrong with that? It was common for people to carry swords around for self-defense.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 09, 2015, 08:52:29 AMAnd I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Revelation 19:11
Quoting from Revelation is troublesome because it is full of symbolism. Christians don't even know what to make of it. Read the rest of that paragraph and you see descriptors like eyes of "blazing fire," a robe dyed red with blood, a sword coming out of his mouth, and a tattoo written on his thigh. I don't think anyone knows what all that is supposed to mean.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 09, 2015, 08:52:29 AMThe buybull is not all evil. There is some good wrapped in that blanket of evil. But that does not make the bible a great place to find one's morals. Plus, Jesus, like Moses, is a fiction. I find that there are plenty of flesh and blood people to quote (if I want to quote others) if I need or want to--don't need to quote fictional characters. In other words, in my view, Jesus is fictional. Just as all gods are fictional (Or mythical, as you will), as well.
That's fine, but I can't say that Jesus was not depicted in the Bible as a moral giant. It would be awesome if more Christians lived by his example rather than using him as their get-into-heaven-free card.
Blackleaf, I'd have to agree with you that if more christians would put some thought into what they believe and do a little research into that thought, all would be better off.
I guess my main point in referring to Jesus is that I think he is a myth and not an actual person. That is not to say that all that he is purported to have taught is bad or not of value. He has many good lessons to teach, as does all the dying/rising gods. But then so does Aesop, Brothers Grimm and many more.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 09, 2015, 01:40:45 PM
Blackleaf, I'd have to agree with you that if more christians would put some thought into what they believe and do a little research into that thought, all would be better off.
I guess my main point in referring to Jesus is that I think he is a myth and not an actual person. That is not to say that all that he is purported to have taught is bad or not of value. He has many good lessons to teach, as does all the dying/rising gods. But then so does Aesop, Brothers Grimm and many more.
Hell, even Bill Crosby had good moral lessons on his TV show.
Quote from: SGOS on July 09, 2015, 06:08:09 PM
Hell, even Bill Crosby had good moral lessons on his TV show.
And we know how moral he is--learned his morality from Swaggert, Gingrich, and the Catholic priests.
Quote from: Munch on July 07, 2015, 06:59:49 PM
Dear lord voldemort, I ask thee to smite down lstan135 for not even being polite enough to make an introduction thread.
Now if voldemort doesn't smite you down, it means he's an all loving dark wizard.
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Hahaha!!! How can a dark wizard be all loving? It is just like saying a lizard can fly into the sky,
silly.
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Quote from: Baruch on July 09, 2015, 07:00:09 AM
Sal1981 - The Bible is clearly the work of fallible men. Have never gotten why it is elevated above that. On the other hand, many people thru history, have not realized how many bad things are in it. Are at least a few more people getting it? I hope so.
Hello!! The bible is written by men inspired by the Holy Spirit and it ir flawless and far more precious than Gold. The true meaning in it is beyond human underrtanding and only a true believer can understand
what the spirit reveals to him. Understand?
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Quote from: lstan135 on July 18, 2015, 06:17:28 PM
Hello!! The bible is written by men inspired by the Holy Spirit and it ir flawless and far more precious than Gold. The true meaning in it is beyond human underrtanding and only a true believer can understand
what the spirit reveals to him. Understand?
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HHHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, HHHHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa,....what an idiot! the buybull ir flawless? Haaaa,haaa,haaaa..........!!! You are beyond human underrtanding! What a piece of work you are. Christianity at it's finest--which only proves why this world would be better off without you, your kind and your religion simply evaporated from now and forever!
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 18, 2015, 06:56:38 PM
HHHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, HHHHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa,....what an idiot! the buybull ir flawless? Haaaa,haaa,haaaa..........!!! You are beyond human underrtanding! What a piece of work you are. Christianity at it's finest--which only proves why this world would be better off without you, your kind and your religion simply evaporated from now and forever!
That was harsh, even for you...
Quote from: lstan135 on July 18, 2015, 06:17:28 PM
The true meaning in it is beyond human underrtanding and only a true believer can understand
what the spirit reveals to him
If it is beyond human understanding, how does the holy spirit make people understand?
Quote from: lstan135 on July 18, 2015, 06:06:53 PM
Hahaha!!! How can a dark wizard be all loving? It is just like saying a lizard can fly into the sky, silly.
(http://www.genesispark.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Borneo-Draco-Flying-Lizard.jpg)
So therefore dark wizards
are all-loving!
Quote from: dtq123 on July 18, 2015, 09:44:20 PM
That was harsh, even for you...If it is beyond human understanding, how does the holy spirit make people understand?
Now, why am I not surprised by your response? Because u r blind n cannot see, u can think but cannot understand n u can talk but cannot control your loose tongue. That's why.
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Quote from: lstan135 on July 18, 2015, 10:44:41 PM
Now, why am I not surprised by your response? Because u r blind n cannot see, u can think but cannot understand n u can talk but cannot control your loose tongue. That's why.
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Istan, I think maybe you wanted to quote me. I said all those horrid mean things to you--dtq was only defending you. And I'm the blind one??? :))
But, hey--if you want a sane and friendly discussion about your wonderful beliefs, lets....................but please give me some reasons and not just your beliefs for what you think is divine. Are you up for it?
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 18, 2015, 10:59:21 PM
Istan, I think maybe you wanted to quote me. I said all those horrid mean things to you--dtq was only defending you. And I'm the blind one??? :))
But, hey--if you want a sane and friendly discussion about your wonderful beliefs, lets....................but please give me some reasons and not just your beliefs for what you think is divine. Are you up for it?
Haha. The only reason I can give u is that I have experienced God. Have u?
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Quote from: lstan135 on July 18, 2015, 11:24:24 PM
Haha. The only reason I can give u is that I have experienced God. Have u?
Please use proper Grammar and Spelling in your posts.
â'¨ It is self-evident that we have not experienced god. Now take a step back and log out before you get in a fist fight with Mikey here
Quote from: lstan135 on July 18, 2015, 11:24:24 PM
Haha. The only reason I can give u is that I have experienced God. Have u?
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Okay--fair enough. You have experienced god--I have searched high and low for that dude--nope have not experienced god; nor seen any evidence that he/she/it exists. So, I guess what we have is a matter of opinion. You believe. I don't.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 18, 2015, 11:43:22 PM
Okay--fair enough. You have experienced god--I have searched high and low for that dude--nope have not experienced god; nor seen any evidence that he/she/it exists. So, I guess what we have is a matter of opinion. You believe. I don't.
Haha. Its not an opinion when u have experienced something like that - not once but several times at different dates., situations and experiences.
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Quote from: lstan135 on July 18, 2015, 11:24:24 PM
Haha. The only reason I can give u is that I have experienced God. Have u?
How do you you know you are not wrong about that?
Quote from: the_antithesis on July 19, 2015, 12:10:55 AM
How do you you know you are not wrong about that?
Let me ask u. What do u have for breakfast today?
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Quote from: lstan135 on July 19, 2015, 12:19:38 AM
Let me ask u. What do u have for breakfast today?
Answer the fucking question or go fuck yourself with a cactus, you cunt.
Quote from: the_antithesis on July 19, 2015, 12:22:42 AM
Answer the fucking question or go fuck yourself with a cactus, you cunt.
Haha. U can't even answer a simple question, u want to ask about the supernatural?
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Quote from: lstan135 on July 19, 2015, 12:47:32 AM
Haha. U can't even answer a simple question, u want to ask about the supernatural?
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'U' is a Burmese honorific, as in the third Secretary-General of the UN, U Thant. 'U' is not a pronoun. And you (see how that word works?) were asked a question yourself. Answer it.
Quote from: trdsf on July 19, 2015, 01:24:00 AM
'U' is a Burmese honorific, as in the third Secretary-General of the UN, U Thant. 'U' is not a pronoun. And you (see how that word works?) were asked a question yourself. Answer it.
Oh, in my country, U simply means you. Its been used all over the world. Don't u know?
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Quote from: trdsf on July 19, 2015, 01:24:00 AM
'U' is a Burmese honorific, as in the third Secretary-General of the UN, U Thant. 'U' is not a pronoun. And you (see how that word works?) were asked a question yourself. Answer it.
I will ask u one more time. What do u have for breakfast this morning?
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Quote from: lstan135 on July 19, 2015, 01:45:46 AM
I will ask u one more time. What do u have for breakfast this morning?
You have never asked me that question before.
You asked it of someone else. If
you can't be bothered to pay attention to
your own blitherings (not to mention
your own appalling grammar and spelling), why should
you be taken seriously for any more than two or three seconds?
Mods, I call troll.
Quote from: trdsf on July 19, 2015, 01:54:41 AM
You have never asked me that question before. You asked it of someone else. If you can't be bothered to pay attention to your own blitherings (not to mention your own appalling grammar and spelling), why should you be taken seriously for any more than two or three seconds?
Mods, I call troll.
Oh I'm sorry, I've made a mistake.
But u can answer the question too.
Its not too difficult, isn't it?
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Quote from: lstan135 on July 19, 2015, 02:18:47 AM
Oh I'm sorry, I've made a mistake.
But u can answer the question too.
Its not too difficult, isn't it?
I think you've made several mistakes here. If you can stop typing like a demented weasel and start using grammatically and orthographically correct sentences --
and first answer the questions already put to you that you're ignoring -- I might consider answering yours.
Until then, I still call troll.
Quote from: trdsf on July 19, 2015, 02:54:09 AM
I think you've made several mistakes here. If you can stop typing like a demented weasel and start using grammatically and orthographically correct sentences -- and first answer the questions already put to you that you're ignoring -- I might consider answering yours.
Until then, I still call troll.
Oh, I can type properly as you wish and use proper English (how am I doing so far?). And I can answer the question put forward to me too but I really need your help by answering some simple day to day questions. Do you think you can do that for me?
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Quote from: lstan135 on July 18, 2015, 06:17:28 PM
Hello!! The bible is written by men inspired by the Holy Spirit and it is flawless and far more precious than Gold. The true meaning in it is beyond human underrtanding and only a true believer can understand
what the spirit reveals to him. Understand?
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Quote from: lstan135 on July 18, 2015, 06:17:28 PM
Hello!! The bible is written by men inspired by the Holy Spirit and it is flawless and far more precious than Gold. The true meaning in it is beyond human underrtanding and only a true believer can understand
what the spirit reveals to him. Understand?
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Quote from: lstan135 on July 18, 2015, 06:17:28 PM
Hello!! The bible is written by men inspired by the Holy Spirit and it is flawless and far more precious than Gold. The true meaning in it is beyond human underrtanding and only a true believer can understand
what the spirit reveals to him. Understand?
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Quote from: lstan135 on July 18, 2015, 06:17:28 PM
Hello!! The bible is written by men inspired by the Holy Spirit and it ir flawless and far more precious than Gold. The true meaning in it is beyond human understanding and only a true believer can understand
what the spirit reveals to him. Understand?
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Quote from: lstan135 on July 18, 2015, 10:44:41 PM
Now, why am I not surprised by your response? Because u r blind n cannot see, u can think but cannot understand n u can talk but cannot control your loose tongue. That's why.
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Quote from: Mike Cl on July 18, 2015, 06:56:38 PM
HHHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, HHHHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa,....what an idiot! the buybull ir flawless? Haaaa,haaa,haaaa..........!!! You are beyond human underrtanding! What a piece of work you are. Christianity at it's finest--which only proves why this world would be better off without you, your kind and your religion simply evaporated from now and forever!
Now, why am I not surprised by your response? Because u r blind n cannot see, u can think but cannot understand n u can talk but cannot control your loose tongue. That's why.
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Quote from: trdsf on July 18, 2015, 10:40:36 PM
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So therefore dark wizards are all-loving!
Haha. This lizard can't fly into the sky. It just glide downwards into the vegetation. And it is not dark but bright green. What a joke.
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How are you doing so far? Piss poor. Still haven't answered a single thing while demanding answers and spamming the thread with copies of your illiterate diversionary and dilatory tactics to try to cover the fact that you either can't or won't.
Yup, troll.
(twitlists lstan135 and makes popcorn to watch the rest of the show)
If y'all are done "troll bowling" ...
The nut breaker question is "experience G-d"? Well "experience transcendence" seems to have universal support ;-) I can't experience things impersonally, since I am a person myself. I can't experience things as a rock, can I? Rocks are impersonal. Whenever I experience something, it is thru the filter of perception, it is never raw sensory input ... not even in experiments (see Schrodinger's Cat). A rock doesn't know or care if the cat is alive or dead ... but persons do. Anything I experience, is like looking thru a partially silvered window ... I catch both what is beyond the window and my own reflection. So my experience is personal. Now I can think that the external world is I (solipcism) or it is thou. Generally I don't think that all the other persons out there are me (the world is a case of multiple personality disorder only in multiple bodies instead of one body). So when I think of the world as a whole, I experience a person, unlike any other, who is like a human but more than a human ... I don't just experience I or thou, but Thou. Capitalization matters. That is G-d to me ... even if it seems a little Hindu ... Brahman and all that curry. But being Jewish, I also experience this G-d as ... Jewish ... of course. But I am smart enough to realize that the Jewish god is bigger than that, much bigger. Monstrous in fact. Thus the very unhappy relationship Jews bear to "their" deity. That is what Jonah preaching to Nineveh is all about. Jonah ran way from G-d, to avoid having to preach to the very nasty Assyrian Gentiles in Nineveh (their capital). And he was very unhappy that the people of Nineveh repented, and that G-d forgave them their trespasses. This "good news" is central to understanding the self-assigned mission of Paul. His "days in the Leviathan" was his period in partial blindness in Damascus. Paul was determined to do a better job of preaching than Jonah, who was still a poor sport even after completing his mission.
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QuoteDo Christains Deserve Any Credit for good actions?
This is like asking if Hitler deserves credit for his good actions because he did good for his people. :wall:
Quote from: Solitary on July 19, 2015, 10:53:18 AM
This is like asking if Hitler deserves credit for his good actions because he did good for his people. :wall:
Bringing Hitler in already? Of course he deserves credit, but that credit is as small as an ant is to earth. (Did that make sense? We should make sure we recognize all the good and bad before making judgments. Some cases however, the good is almost irrelevant)
Quote from: dtq123 on July 19, 2015, 11:15:50 AM
Bringing Hitler in already? Of course he deserves credit, but that credit is as small as an ant is to earth. (Did that make sense? We should make sure we recognize all the good and bad before making judgments. Some cases however, the good is almost irrelevant)
Quite agree. Which is why god deserves credit--but even less than Hitler. Hitler was real and the good he did was real.
Quote from: lstan135 on July 18, 2015, 06:17:28 PM
The true meaning in it is beyond human underrtanding and only a true believer can understand
That was precious.
Quote from: dtq123 on July 18, 2015, 09:44:20 PM
That was harsh, even for you...If it is beyond human understanding, how does the holy spirit make people understand?
It is not understood how the holy spirit makes things understood, However it is understood that is has the ability to make humans, whose ability to understand things, is understandably not sufficient to understand the understandable. Which is why we call things that cannot be understood, not understandable.
Understand ? :)
On an unrelated not, why isn't it the opposite of understand no oversit ? or overlie ?
Quote from: lstan135 on July 19, 2015, 03:52:23 AM
Now, why am I not surprised by your response? Because u r blind n cannot see, u can think but cannot understand n u can talk but cannot control your loose tongue. That's why.
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Oh the irony of loose tongues comment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm_NNLZiusg
Quote from: lstan135 on July 18, 2015, 06:17:28 PM
Hello!! The bible is written by men inspired by the Holy Spirit and it ir flawless and far more precious than Gold. The true meaning in it is beyond human underrtanding and only a true believer can understand
what the spirit reveals to him. Understand?
If the bible is more precious then gold, why then has it been rewritten and reinterpreted countless times? It seems that for something that is meant to be the 'word of god', people have no problem rewriting what he said to suit their means.
Quote from: lstan135 on July 18, 2015, 06:17:28 PM
Hello!! The bible is written by men inspired by the Holy Spirit and it ir flawless and far more precious than Gold. The true meaning in it is beyond human underrtanding and only a true believer can understand
what the spirit reveals to him. Understand?
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I'd also like to point out that if the bible is beyond human understanding then what is it's purpose? You'd think an all knowing god would give us something that we could understand. What did he write the bible for his health?
Also what does being a true believer mean? Because I'm sure every one's version of that is held by different standards.
Quote from: doorknob on July 19, 2015, 04:07:35 PM
I'd also like to point out that if the bible is beyond human understanding then what is it's purpose? You'd think an all knowing god would give us something that we could understand. What did he write the bible for his health?
Also what does being a true believer mean? Because I'm sure every one's version of that is held by different standards.
ZOMG 420~
Quote from: doorknob on July 19, 2015, 04:07:35 PM
Also what does being a true believer mean? Because I'm sure every one's version of that is held by different standards.
That's just his way of saying only his way of seeing the bible is the right one.
Now how many major versions, excluding the smaller ones, of Christian cults are there?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations
Seems that the one word of God is pretty indecisive and separatist, even with its own worshipers, they can't come together with a shared ideology.
Now I know why they hate the gay community, because unlike them, the rainbow flag actually does mean unity.
Quote from: lstan135 on July 19, 2015, 12:47:32 AM
Haha. U can't even answer a simple question, u want to ask about the supernatural?
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I withdraw my previous question.
You're a cunt.
Go away.
Quote from: lstan135 on July 07, 2015, 02:35:12 PM
Dear Lord, Jesus, please forgive them for they know not what they are saying.
Eat a dick.
Quote from: lstan135 on July 18, 2015, 06:17:28 PM
The true meaning in it is beyond human underrtanding and only a true believer can understand
what the spirit reveals to him.
"It is beyond human understanding, but I can understand it."
If it is beyond human understanding but you can understand it, therefore you are not human.
Fuck off, you mollusk.
Quote from: the_antithesis on July 19, 2015, 05:29:44 PM
Eat a dick.
white and dark chocolate flavor :p
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Quote from: Munch on July 19, 2015, 05:36:15 PM
white and dark chocolate flavor :p
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Whatever flavor his own dick happens to be because that is the dick he should consume.
Should he lack a dick, which is likely, he should dig up his great-grandfather's body and then eat his decayed dick.
oh my this has gotten dark ^^
But really I googled chocolate penis, amazon sells them.
Quote from: Munch on July 19, 2015, 06:00:37 PM
But really I googled chocolate penis, amazon sells them.
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Do they also sell cherry-flavored vaginas?
Quote from: lstan135 on July 18, 2015, 10:44:41 PM
Now, why am I not surprised by your response? Because u r blind n cannot see, u can think but cannot understand n u can talk but cannot control your loose tongue. That's why.
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I'm not even interested in giving this ass-wipe a warning.
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Quote from: the_antithesis on July 19, 2015, 06:07:58 PM
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Do they also sell cherry-flavored vaginas?
no but there is this.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/156019814/adult-chocolate-vagina-lollipop?
Quote from: PickelledEggs on July 19, 2015, 06:47:58 PM
I'm not even interested in giving this ass-wipe a warning.
Yay :D
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Quote from: Munch on July 19, 2015, 07:09:02 PM
Yay :D
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You got it, buddy.
I'm a traditionalist. I prefer the anvil drop. :D
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