http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33115246
QuoteA three-year-old boy has killed himself while playing with his mother's handgun, according to police in Ohio.
The boy shot and fatally wounded himself in the chest after finding the gun at his home near Cincinnati.
In a 911 audiotape release by police, the boy's mother Elizabeth Green is heard reporting the incident.
"My son just shot himself and I'm not getting a pulse," she is heard screaming. Prosecutors are considering whether to charge her.
In the call, she said she keeps the gun in her purse and had set the purse down at home before the tragedy.
"The gun is mine. It is in the house, I carry it in my purse, I laid it down. We just got home," the mother told the 911 operator.
The boy has been identified as Marques Green, according to local media.
A detective was seen leaving the home with a small black handgun, and placing it into an evidence bag.
This is the second accidental shooting death of a child this month in this region of Ohio.
About 100 children die in the US every year in accidental shootings, according to data compiled by Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America.
"This is the second accidental shooting death of a child... this month... in this region of Ohio."
The child must have really hated life.
Not this again. Ooof. How is this a tragedy anymore? Why the fuck she is getting around with a gun in her purse in day time. Where do these people live? What kind of a place is that you need to carry a gun in your purse going out with your 3 year old toddler?
america should have a law, anyone with a child be withheld from having firearms in the house until the child reaches of age they themselves would be counted as legal by law to carry one.
You know, after watching the "history" unfold across the world for the last 50 some odd years, it appears that although we "usa" lose a may people to self-inflicted-accidental gun deaths, I look at places where people have no guns and wonder what would be if 90% of Iranians or Iraq's or Afghanitan's or hell most of any fucking African country had ready access to a gun. How many little children in north africa would die of self inflicted incidents versus those getting their limbs chopped off by fucktards?
I gotta admit….I have less arguments any more.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on June 12, 2015, 05:38:38 PM
Not this again. Ooof. How is this a tragedy anymore? Why the fuck she is getting around with a gun in her purse in day time. Where do these people live? What kind of a place is that you need to carry a gun in your purse going out with your 3 year old toddler?
This is the US or gun; didn't you know? Besides, both the kid and mommy must be just stupid, since as the NRA tells us, people kill people, not guns. I mean, if mommy had a knife in her purse that knife could have been retrieved and used to stab himself to death. The NRA is the corporate shill that ensures that guns are everywhere--it's out right!
A gun can only keep you safe if you change your lifestyle to accommodate all the responsibilities associated with owning a gun. She assumed she sat her purse down around a toddler - which can be annoying as toddlers like to get into all sorts of things. In reality, she sat a loaded gun down within reach of a toddler - which puts the power to destroy in the hands of child who is incapable of understanding what a gun is, let alone the implications of its use. Her carelessness is what caused the child's death. At worst, this is a form of murder... at best, this is involuntary manslaughter.
If guns were treated in our society for what they are - weapons, then people would be forced to really think about whether a gun is truly necessary in their life. A weapon is required when you feel your life is at risk and diplomacy is no longer an option. In such scenarios, you remove a threat that cannot be dissuaded by any means and therefore must be terminated so that you may live. The possibility of killing another person should never be a trivial decision or else you introduce the possibility of someone else killing you for trivial reasons.
Guns obviously make it too easy to kill if even a toddler can do it. Guns do not make us safer period, when every Tom Dick and Harriet has one. Poverty and desperation of people not having money is the root of all evil more than the love of money, but they do seem to support each other. Why has the world gotten to the pointe that we need guns to protect ourselves? I'm sure over population and poverty has something to do with it, and both are caused by irresponsible ignorance.
Quote from: Munch on June 12, 2015, 06:59:49 PM
america should have a law, anyone with a child be withheld from having firearms in the house until the child reaches of age they themselves would be counted as legal by law to carry one.
Oh, you can't have that. The NRA says if anyone is ever denied a gun in this country for any reason whatsoever, China will invade immediately! Or is it North Korea? Canada? Well, one of them, anyway. Apparently the tanks are already massed on the border just waiting for their chance.
Reap what you sow Republicans. . They sow death and destruction with policies designed to divide and to encourage hatred of people.
I'm sure the NRA is celebrating this now. Another of their objectives achieved.
Hey, that's John Boehner's stomping grounds so it must be perfectly constitutional there..
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on June 13, 2015, 04:28:21 AM
Hey, that's John Boehner's stomping grounds so it must be perfectly constitutional there..
I try very hard to pretend I don't share a state with that idiot. If he'd stand up to the wingnuts on his side of the aisle, I might have a little respect for him, but he doesn't, so I don't. He's so desperate to hang on to power, he doesn't care what devil he has to make a deal with... and he ends up having no power at all since he's completely under the thrall of the teabaggers, who'll be perfectly happy to vote him out of office if they don't get their way all the time.
Under normal political circumstances, he'd be a plain old stodgy Buckeye Republican rather than the tool of lunatics -- think Jerry Ford but with less charisma, and well described by the phrase 'mostly harmless'.
How many more tragedies like this have to happen before guns are made with safety features to prevent this?
You can't "defend" yourself with a gun, you can only counter aggression with more aggression.
Quote from: Jason78 on June 13, 2015, 06:42:24 AM
How many more tragedies like this have to happen before guns are made with safety features to prevent this?
Not as long as they think that gun in that purse is the same thing like a pen in that purse.
And that they need to protect themselves with guns, instead of trying to deal with many actually preventable issues by other means. This is also something related to American culture and identity too.
Quote from: Jason78 on June 13, 2015, 06:42:24 AM
How many more tragedies like this have to happen before guns are made with safety features to prevent this?
Until pigs fly--and not before. Unless you can sell the corporations that the NRA shills for the idea that not only can you charge for a gun, but you can add in the cost of a complicated safety feature. Does anybody seriously think the corporations give a shit if you live or die??--Only that you spend the money.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 13, 2015, 08:52:10 AM
Does anybody seriously think the corporations give a shit if you live or die??--Only that you spend the money.
True. They only really care that you spend money. But dead people don't spend money and I'm pretty sure they understand that. So in a way they do in fact give a shit, just not for the right reasons.
There should be a law preventing stupid people from owning guns. Clearly they are not killing themselves as we had originally planned.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on June 13, 2015, 11:05:26 AM
There should be a law preventing stupid people from owning guns. Clearly they are not killing themselves as we had originally planned.
Then gun sales would simply dry up. And we should prevent stupid people from having children---negative population growth. But neither aint gonna happen.
Every time I see a story like this, I think back to the time I suggested on CF that people should keep their guns unloaded when kept on their person and nothing of note was happening. At least one person told me it was the most ridiculous thing she'd ever heard.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on June 13, 2015, 06:46:00 AM
instead of trying to deal with many actually preventable issues by other means.
:think:
:whistle:
Just another "responsible gun owner".
I am sick of gun owners using "don't punish responsible gun owners".
This isn't about rights. This is about the makers and the NRA selling a climate of "no rules" to protect their profits and keep or expand their flooded market. This is not about legal vs illegal guns. This is about an industry that pumps out guns like candy.
Quote from: Savior2006 on June 14, 2015, 10:27:08 AM
Every time I see a story like this, I think back to the time I suggested on CF that people should keep their guns unloaded when kept on their person and nothing of note was happening. At least one person told me it was the most ridiculous thing she'd ever heard.
And did she expand on that to let you know what she meant or was it just a blow-off because that's what she says whenever an insurmountable reason challenge is presented to her?
Quote from: Brian37 on June 14, 2015, 12:08:47 PM
Just another "responsible gun owner".
I am sick of gun owners using "don't punish responsible gun owners".
This isn't about rights. This is about the makers and the NRA selling a climate of "no rules" to protect their profits and keep or expand their flooded market. This is not about legal vs illegal guns. This is about an industry that pumps out guns like candy.
It's about dead three year olds who don't have to be dead.
Quote from: Brian37 on June 14, 2015, 12:08:47 PM
Just another "responsible gun owner".
I am sick of gun owners using "don't punish responsible gun owners".
This isn't about rights. This is about the makers and the NRA selling a climate of "no rules" to protect their profits and keep or expand their flooded market. This is not about legal vs illegal guns. This is about an industry that pumps out guns like candy.
I think you're wrong.
I was going to write a much more detailed response but there's no point in arguing any of this again.
As for this woman in Ohio? Should face involuntary homicide charges and a long mandatory prison sentence. Facing 25 to life automatically anytime someone dies as a result of your gun not being stored securely is the only way you will ever get people to rethink the way they store their weapons IMO.
Quote from: aitm on June 14, 2015, 11:09:46 AM
:think:
:whistle:
I wasn't talking about something in an individual level with that you silly. That woman has a gun in her purse because she thinks she can protect herself that way. She thinks she is being clever when she is being stupid.
By the way, I have never ever defended in Dr. Ruth thread that people shouldn't be careful. However reality doesn't work that way with sex. There is things callled one night stand, casual sex with strangers.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 13, 2015, 08:52:10 AM
Until pigs fly--and not before. Unless you can sell the corporations that the NRA shills for the idea that not only can you charge for a gun, but you can add in the cost of a complicated safety feature. Does anybody seriously think the corporations give a shit if you live or die??--Only that you spend the money.
Two very profitable companies make huge amounts of money from the sale of a product that kills its user. Big tobacco, and the gun lobby/manufacturers.
Google this; "Jim jefferies gun control" he's hilarious and spot on!
Quote from: hrdlr110 on June 14, 2015, 07:01:16 PM
Two very profitable companies make huge amounts of money from the sale of a product that kills its user. Big tobacco, and the gun lobby/manufacturers.
Google this; "Jim jefferies gun control" he's hilarious and spot on!
You may not believe this, but I had not heard of, or from, Jim Jefferies before you posted this. Thanks! He is spot on about guns--and christians--and religion. :)) Yeah, some youtube time coming up for me.
Yeah, I don't see this type of thing ending anytime soon. Americans think guns are too cool.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on June 14, 2015, 12:18:56 PM
And did she expand on that to let you know what she meant or was it just a blow-off because that's what she says whenever an insurmountable reason challenge is presented to her?
She went with option 2.
Quote from: Johan on June 14, 2015, 01:23:08 PM
I think you're wrong.
I was going to write a much more detailed response but there's no point in arguing any of this again.
As for this woman in Ohio? Should face involuntary homicide charges and a long mandatory prison sentence. Facing 25 to life automatically anytime someone dies as a result of your gun not being stored securely is the only way you will ever get people to rethink the way they store their weapons IMO.
Yeah, I'm sure the gun-happy folks running too many public offices in this country would really go for that.
Quote from: Munch on June 12, 2015, 06:59:49 PM
america should have a law, anyone with a child be withheld from having firearms in the house until the child reaches of age they themselves would be counted as legal by law to carry one.
Perhaps they should also pass a law that people that don't know what they are talking about are banned from posting on forums.
The problem is stupid people and criminals don't even obey laws. I'm not up on Ohio laws, but most states already have laws that guns must be secured from kids. See how effective your "we need another law" approach is?
Our freedom is being destroyed with the mindset that everytime something happens we need yet another law.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on June 13, 2015, 06:43:01 AM
You can't "defend" yourself with a gun, you can only counter aggression with more aggression.
No, you can defend yourself and save your life, or that of someone you love. It happens thousands of times every year.
Quote from: Feral Atheist on June 15, 2015, 10:36:36 AM
No, you can defend yourself and save your life, or that of someone you love. It happens thousands of times every year.
It's nice to know we have an NRA shill we can call on for the wonderful propaganda they can impart to us.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 15, 2015, 10:47:06 AM
It's nice to know we have an NRA shill we can call on for the wonderful propaganda they can impart to us.
No, I don't belong to the NRA, I disagree with some of their positions, just providing the fact that everyday good people successful defend their life with a gun.
Most self-defense shootings occur in homes, in all kinds of neighborhoods.
What are you going to do if it's your door that is smashed down, beg a strung out druggie for your life, or defend yourself?
Quote from: Feral Atheist on June 15, 2015, 10:31:38 AM
Perhaps they should also pass a law that people that don't know what they are talking about are banned from posting on forums.
The problem is stupid people and criminals don't even obey laws. I'm not up on Ohio laws, but most states already have laws that guns must be secured from kids. See how effective your "we need another law" approach is?
Our freedom is being destroyed with the mindset that everytime something happens we need yet another law.
Considering your understanding of 'freedom' and gun issue you are too stupid to take seriously.
Because thinking that safety precautions will protect children or people from guns, people seeing it as some 'accessoire' expressing their 'freedom' or that they can actually protect themselves with it as a rule, that fire arms are like just other 'tools' like knives, hammers or machines like cars that cause death generally is stupidity you CANNOT deal with laws.
Quote from: Feral Atheist on June 15, 2015, 10:57:21 AM
No, I don't belong to the NRA, I disagree with some of their positions, just providing the fact that everyday good people successful defend their life with a gun.
Most self-defense shootings occur in homes, in all kinds of neighborhoods.
What are you going to do if it's your door that is smashed down, beg a strung out druggie for your life, or defend yourself?
Yeah, because somebody's door getting smashed down a daily thing that happens everywhere.
Quotejust providing the fact that everyday good people successful defend their life with a gun.
Watching too much TV?
Quote from: Feral Atheist on June 15, 2015, 10:57:21 AM
No, I don't belong to the NRA, I disagree with some of their positions, just providing the fact that everyday good people successful defend their life with a gun.
Most self-defense shootings occur in homes, in all kinds of neighborhoods.
What are you going to do if it's your door that is smashed down, beg a strung out druggie for your life, or defend yourself?
I get the gun thing. We have a right to own a gun............... Do we need 100 round clips? Do we need .50 Cal machine guns? Do we need uzi's? Assault rifles? Do we need even 30 round clips? Do we need 6,000 rounds? How does the Australian gun killings compare to ours? Is the British deaths by guns higher than ours? Why do we lead the industrialized world in gun deaths? Is it as the NRA states--guns don't kill people, people do? Does that motto even make sense to you?
What will I do if somebody breaks into my house? I will do all in my power to kill the mother--with a ball bat, butcher knife, my grandpa's old double bladed axe or whatever I can get my hands on. And I will encourage my dogs to join in. I chose not to have a gun in the house, though. I don't feel the need. I'm not afraid of them--I actually like them--I spent 12 years in the Army/NG and earned 3 expert badges for firing weapons. My favorite is the old M1--I trained with it and we used 5 round clips; scored 95/100 with it on the record fire range. I also qualified with the combat shotgun, and earned expert with the police special .35. And I also fired expert with the M16 assault rifle, with the 20 round clips. One of my favorite activities while on duty--firing my weapon. But I don't need one in my home. There is too much of a chance that it would be used against me or mine by accident than in defending my family. What we need in this country is to have a little common sense. Right--fat chance of that ever happening.
Quote from: Feral Atheist on June 15, 2015, 10:57:21 AM
No, I don't belong to the NRA, I disagree with some of their positions, just providing the fact that everyday good people successful defend their life with a gun.
Most self-defense shootings occur in homes, in all kinds of neighborhoods.
What are you going to do if it's your door that is smashed down, beg a strung out druggie for your life, or defend yourself?
Bash his fuckin' skull in with whatever comes to hand first -- be it my quarterstaff (which I know how to use and he almost certainly doesn't so it can't be turned on me very easily, you know, like a handgun can) or my cast iron cookware, and keep whaling on him until he stops giving me any shit. 'Cause if he's already got a gun on me, it wouldn't make any difference how many weapons I have in the place, I get shot if I reach for any of them. And I'm assuming that you're not suggesting I should sleep wearing a shoulder holster, or react to every not-immediately-identified noise by showing up with a gun in hand.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on June 15, 2015, 11:04:22 AM
Yeah, because somebody's door getting smashed down a daily thing that happens everywhere.
Of course not. Not every day, not everywhere. But it most definitely does happen and you really can't predict where or when. This was about 10 miles from my home.
http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2015/02/listen_to_911_call_from_woman.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2015/02/listen_to_911_call_from_woman.html)
This is NOT a high crime area. Not even close. It can happen anywhere. Doesn't mean the odds of it happening are 100%. But the odds aren't 0% either.
Quote from: Feral Atheist on June 15, 2015, 10:36:36 AM
No, you can defend yourself and save your life, or that of someone you love. It happens thousands of times every year.
However, the reverse happens far more frequently. 44 times it will be used in a suicide, or to kill a friend or family member for every 1 time it is used in defense. Now, by your own reasoning, you should be banned from posting on forums!
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 15, 2015, 06:46:47 PM
I get the gun thing. We have a right to own a gun............... Do we need 100 round clips?
Probably not but I think you mean magazine not clip.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 15, 2015, 06:46:47 PM
Do we need .50 Cal machine guns?
Sort of a non question because there has never been a civilian 50 cal. machine gun. For the sake of what is available, we probably don't need automatic weapons but it's very difficult and expensive to get one. Also i'm not sure how many machine guns have been used in a crime, legal purchase of one if you can is around $15,000 or more, i imagine an illegal one would be much more than that.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 15, 2015, 06:46:47 PM
Do we need uzi's?
Based on their build quality I wish they would stop making them, but overal I don't see how most models are any different than any other entry level firearm.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 15, 2015, 06:46:47 PM
Do we need 6,000 rounds?
Some people like to target shoot a lot and compete and might go through this in a month.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 15, 2015, 06:46:47 PM
Why do we lead the industrialized world in gun deaths?
Suicide. 6 out of 10 deaths from a firearm are suicide.
Quote from: TrueStory on June 15, 2015, 08:10:25 PM
Probably not but I think you mean magazine not clip.
Well, True, I actually mean clip. Even the DI's used the term "clip". Regardless, I think you know what I was saying. Nitpicking details does not change what I was saying. Because the killings are suicide then that makes it okay? Typical comments from a NRA shill; kind of like Christians who believe literally in the bible. Are you one of those, too???
Quote from: Johan on June 15, 2015, 07:40:14 PM
Of course not. Not every day, not everywhere. But it most definitely does happen and you really can't predict where or when. This was about 10 miles from my home.
http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2015/02/listen_to_911_call_from_woman.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2015/02/listen_to_911_call_from_woman.html)
This is NOT a high crime area. Not even close. It can happen anywhere. Doesn't mean the odds of it happening are 100%. But the odds aren't 0% either.
And there's the teenager who shot his friend in the head because he was tossing pebbles at the kid's window trying to get his attention. The kid thought he was a burglar. (How, who knows.)
The kid decided to become judge, jury and executioner, willing to murder someone based on the fact that he was scared. (Remember, no actual home invasion took place.)
And before anybody starts, I've been an owner and shooter since 1965.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 15, 2015, 09:11:18 PM
Well, True, I actually mean clip. Even the DI's used the term "clip". Regardless, I think you know what I was saying. Nitpicking details does not change what I was saying.
I answered your question first and then provided some clarification, that is not nitpicking.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 15, 2015, 09:11:18 PM
Because the killings are suicide then that makes it okay?
Is that what you are asserting? I know I didn't make any claim, nor do I want.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 15, 2015, 09:11:18 PM
Typical comments from a NRA shill; kind of like Christians who believe literally in the bible. Are you one of those, too???
Thats not nice to call people names that you don't know anything about. Also I don't have the energy to look up the fallacy where you immediatly claim i'm with the NRA and compare me to a christian following the bible, poisoning the well is what I would guess.
Quote from: TrueStory on June 15, 2015, 09:48:57 PM
I answered your question first and then provided some clarification, that is not nitpicking.
Is that what you are asserting? I know I didn't make any claim, nor do I want.
Thats not nice to call people names that you don't know anything about. Also I don't have the energy to look up the fallacy where you immediatly claim i'm with the NRA and compare me to a christian following the bible, poisoning the well is what I would guess.
If I misread you, True, sorry about that. I am simply so tired of the usual NRA drivel on this issue and I made a snap judgement that you sort of smacked of that attitude. I have never, ever been wrong about anybody, or anything before--ever--could be the first time tho. :))) Regardless of the reasons, the death toll in this country from guns is just appalling. And nobody wants to do jack about it.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 15, 2015, 10:16:10 PM
Regardless of the reasons, the death toll in this country from guns is just appalling. And nobody wants to do jack about it.
There are plenty who are trying to rally against the excessive use of guns and the gross negligence in ownership of these guns. However, it's not that easy trying to convince people who were raised to believe it was their God-given right to own a gun. Outright banning guns does not clean up the streets nor does it prevent the accidental deaths associated with family heirlooms or grandfathered guns prior to any mandate. More importantly, it's hard to lobby against large corporations who manufacture guns when their political prowess can be improved with just a little financial contribution to the right politician at the right time.
Overcoming the cycle set forth by a customer base who buys guns because they want or feel they need to, which in turn encourages gun suppliers to exploit this via marketing strategies, who then influence laws to become more lax to enable easier access to these guns, and which lastly saturates a person's environment with guns, therefore making ownership seem "proper" and therefore coveted. This is a rather large problem with multiple parts. Simply calling people idiots for owning guns is not the grand coup de grace that will settle the matter once and for all.
if this cycle is to ever stop then it will have start with educating the customer base on the product they are interested in buying. The attitude towards gun ownership will need to change from one of half-baked ideas and impulsiveness to one of respect and strong sense of responsibility. When a gun is viewed as more trouble than it's probably worth in day-to-day living, then people will be less inclined to buy one. Showing people the reality that a person's needs to be continually trained to use a gun in order to overcome the fear associated with scenarios that warrant the use of a gun for self-defence may help to overcome "impulse" buying. What good is a gun if you're not capable of shooting your intended target when a life or death situation presents itself? All too much of the good qualities of gun ownership are brought up, but very little is said of the gigantic responsibility and self-discipline needed to safely use a gun.
People need to be educated to understand that when you buy a gun, you're not buying a simple object; you're subscribing to an entirely different lifestyle that will affect everything in your life - good or bad. Only then will they be able to reduce the demand and therefore the supply of guns to the typical consumer.
Aletheia: "When a gun is viewed as more trouble than it's worth in day to day living"
This is the answer. People need to be held accountable for their weapons at all times - even if they are not carrying them. This means if your gun is stolen, then used in a crime, the gun owner should be charged as an accessory. Hard time for the misuse of your weapon might make some very stupid people realise that they are not bright enough to be responsible for a gun. However, at some level of incompetence, the dunning Kruger affect enters into the equation.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 15, 2015, 10:16:10 PMRegardless of the reasons, the death toll in this country from guns is just appalling. And nobody wants to do jack about it.
Ahem :wtff:. Gun owner here. You might recall insulting me several times because of it? No? Doesn't ring a bell? Well I have trouble keeping track of everyone who has thrown unsolicited insults in my direction in these threads. Anyway I would encourage you to go back and search through the forum for how many times I've said I believe guns are too easy to purchase in this country. I've also said the gun show loop hole has to go. I've also said that guns should be tightly regulated. I've also said in this thread and others that I think the penalties need to be tougher in cases where improperly secured guns lead to the death of others.
Yeah but nobody wants to do jack about it. Sure. Now if I wanted to act like you or several others do in these threads, this is where I'd tell you to go fuck yourself you fucking moron. But that's not me. I try to keep the insults out of it so as to allow you and several others to keep the market cornered on that sort of thing in these threads.
Quote from: Johan on June 16, 2015, 06:34:21 AM
Ahem :wtff:. Gun owner here. You might recall insulting me several times because of it? No? Doesn't ring a bell? Well I have trouble keeping track of everyone who has thrown unsolicited insults in my direction in these threads. Anyway I would encourage you to go back and search through the forum for how many times I've said I believe guns are too easy to purchase in this country. I've also said the gun show loop hole has to go. I've also said that guns should be tightly regulated. I've also said in this thread and others that I think the penalties need to be tougher in cases where improperly secured guns lead to the death of others.
Yeah but nobody wants to do jack about it. Sure. Now if I wanted to act like you or several others do in these threads, this is where I'd tell you to go fuck yourself you fucking moron. But that's not me. I try to keep the insults out of it so as to allow you and several others to keep the market cornered on that sort of thing in these threads.
It's hard to be a moderate of any kind on the internet. Somebody's always going to find your position "outrageous", usually without having actually read what you post.
Quote from: Johan on June 16, 2015, 06:34:21 AM
Ahem :wtff:. Gun owner here. You might recall insulting me several times because of it? No? Doesn't ring a bell? Well I have trouble keeping track of everyone who has thrown unsolicited insults in my direction in these threads. Anyway I would encourage you to go back and search through the forum for how many times I've said I believe guns are too easy to purchase in this country. I've also said the gun show loop hole has to go. I've also said that guns should be tightly regulated. I've also said in this thread and others that I think the penalties need to be tougher in cases where improperly secured guns lead to the death of others.
Actually, I took your advice. I looked through the last 125 of your posts and 150 of mine. I did not see either of us calling each other names. So, no, I don't recall calling you names. If I did, that would not be a good thing. And my attention needs to be drawn to that--it is almost always counter productive. I do read your posts carefully--I don't always agree with what you have to say but that's okay. There is usually several ways to look at the same point. You do seem to be able to articulate your point well--whether I agree with it or not.
As for the gun thing--you own a gun--good for you. My profound sense of frustration lies with the fact that our govts. cannot or will not do anything to stem the tide of irresponsible gun ownership and selling of them. The govt. cannot even get 100 round clips made illegal. That to me smacks of simply corporate greed--wherever we turn, corporations have more rights than the people do. This I find frustrating.
You say--"Yeah but nobody wants to do jack about it. Sure. Now if I wanted to act like you or several others do in these threads, this is where I'd tell you to go fuck yourself you fucking moron. But that's not me. I try to keep the insults out of it so as to allow you and several others to keep the market cornered on that sort of thing in these threads. "
So, I still say that nobody wants to do jack about it. And I'm really glad you don't call people fucking morons. That is mighty upstanding of you.