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Title: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: Termin on June 08, 2015, 06:17:40 PM
<facepalm>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5ni7Dl7hXw
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: TomFoolery on June 08, 2015, 06:25:50 PM
What about atheist divorce?
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: stromboli on June 08, 2015, 06:48:25 PM
Sorry dude. He lost me 30 seconds in.

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/TNYy8aY7yateU/200.gif)
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: Shiranu on June 08, 2015, 07:05:16 PM
...what?

I'm sorry, but when I am gettin' down to business with myself or (maybe one day) preparing to hit the sack with a lady... the thought of god sitting above me and being like, "Tisk tisk tisk! I am watching you use your body in a way I said not to! You terrible pervert!" is the last thing I want.

I am really creeped out that there are people who not only fear this scenario (I completely understand this fear)... but the fact that there are people who are like, "I WANT that! Everyone should get to experience God looking at you as you have sex!"....

I'm all about people having fetishes because why the fuck not, but fuck... that is disturbing even for me.
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: Munch on June 08, 2015, 07:09:49 PM
So it's sexuality that atheists happen to be.. and this douche made an entire video about his inability to Jack off without thinking of God's dick.

Well glad we cleared that up.

(Seriously, do theists really think only about God or Allah when having sex? So their sexual partner matters nothing, it's God watching them that matters? Yeah, it's not hard to see this guy's fetish)
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: kilodelta on June 08, 2015, 07:10:37 PM
What about wearing-mixed-fabrics atheism? Or letting-women-talk-in-church atheism? Or getting-a-tattoo atheism? Or working-on-Sunday atheism? There's no end to the amount of types of atheism!
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: trdsf on June 08, 2015, 07:21:31 PM
Sexual atheism?  That's easy.

I don't believe I'll be getting any, any time soon.
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: Munch on June 08, 2015, 07:24:31 PM
This makes me think of the whole heteronormativity aspect I've seen some homophobes or just misinformed people use to justify or use to reason why gay people aren't in more games, films or tv shows. The same kind of mentality is used her by theists to convince themselves and others that only their belief is the absolute normal, and being an atheist is so abnormal, their now applying atheism to all aspects of day to day routines.

When I'm with my partner having sex, I'm not thinking "wow, it's so great having sex with my partner without a God looking over my shoulder", that's just a retarded thing.. but I'm guessing this is how a theist like this guy imagines how atheists think, that we think all the time "I'm glad I don't believe in a god while I do this activity".

There something so fucking wrong with people like this, it's why I enjoy seeing them often convert to a more primitive attitude when their God complex is broken down.
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: TrueStory on June 08, 2015, 07:25:57 PM
Quote from: kilodelta on June 08, 2015, 07:10:37 PM
What about wearing-mixed-fabrics atheism? Or letting-women-talk-in-church atheism? Or getting-a-tattoo atheism? Or working-on-Sunday atheism? There's no end to the amount of types of atheism!
I was thinking the same thing.  AKA Cherry Picking. AKA metaphorical not literal.  AKA typical theist.

Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: SGOS on June 08, 2015, 08:06:45 PM
Quote from: Termin on June 08, 2015, 06:17:40 PM
<facepalm>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5ni7Dl7hXw

Some people want to be on U-tube so bad they will go to extraordinary lengths just to come up with a topic.
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: Mike Cl on June 08, 2015, 08:25:30 PM
That term doesn't make any sense.  Which was proved out by the guy making it who doesn't make any sense.
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: stromboli on June 08, 2015, 08:28:23 PM
So coin a new term and then make a video about it. Oh kay.......
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: Solitary on June 08, 2015, 09:10:19 PM
 :wtff:  :rolleyes: And we wonder why the world is so fucked up. I'd like to tie him up on a bed with a fetish mask on him with a red ball in his mouth with a girlfriend dressed in her dominatrix outfit on, and have her fuck him in the ass with a cross while I whip the shit out of him with a Cat-Of-Nine-Tails.  :eek:  :butt: :police: :cool:


Why does Christian morality always involve itself in sexual behavior and pleasure being wrong, that promotes unnatural sordid acts like pedophilia and plural marriage where everything is for the benefit of men? Everything about Christian morality reeks of misogyny and no pleasure for women, and just pain in child birth. Only women bleed! 
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: NitzWalsh on June 08, 2015, 09:22:42 PM
"Engaging in sex outside of a one man/one woman marriage is immoral"

Unless it's with your female slaves or concubines.
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: Termin on June 08, 2015, 09:45:05 PM
When  a lady is with me, she's an atheist, well, at least she never says "oh god" :)
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: NitzWalsh on June 08, 2015, 09:46:12 PM
If she does, she's talking about you.
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: PickelledEggs on June 08, 2015, 11:47:46 PM
What a dick-shit...
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: stromboli on June 08, 2015, 11:52:15 PM
Quote from: Termin on June 08, 2015, 09:45:05 PM
When  a lady is with me, she's an atheist, well, at least she never says "oh god" :)

My wife says it all the time, then apologizes.
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 09, 2015, 06:01:34 AM
Quote from: trdsf on June 08, 2015, 07:21:31 PM
Sexual atheism?  That's easy.

I don't believe I'll be getting any, any time soon.

:rotflmao:


Ditto here.  :sad2:
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: Brian37 on June 09, 2015, 09:35:04 AM
What the fuck? Make up a bullshit term having nothing to do with evolutionary biology.

"Sexual atheism"? No, there is simply sex. Humans of all labels have either a penis and vagina, fuck and make babies.
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: Green Bottle on June 09, 2015, 10:29:23 AM
''Quote
          What Is Sexual Atheism, And Why Is It Wrong''

I've got it  !!

Sexual Atheism is a Figment of you're Warped and Perverted Imagination, with a bit of Attention Seeking thrown in.....
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: Munch on June 09, 2015, 10:40:34 AM
Quote from: Brian37 on June 09, 2015, 09:35:04 AM
What the fuck? Make up a bullshit term having nothing to do with evolutionary biology.

"Sexual atheism"? No, there is simply sex. Humans of all labels have either a penis and vagina, fuck and make babies.

Don't forget prostate poking are carpet rubbing.
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: Mr.Obvious on June 09, 2015, 10:52:16 AM
Sexual atheïsm:
1. Having sex without following sexually repressive dogma.
2. Yelling out your partner's name during coitus, but not jesus, god or lord.
3. Eating babies during sex.
4. The act of enjoying coitus rather than entertaining the philosophical proposition of The existance of a deity.

Note: not to be confused as The opposite of 'sexual christianity' which is 1. Entertaining and/or acting upon sexual fantasies including (The body of) christ. 2. Clergy buggering altarboys. 3. Shoving your own sexual preferences, ideals, frustrations and repressions down other peoples throats. 4. Claiming you had sex without adequate proof and there being many logical reasons to suspect you did not, in fact, have sex.
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: Mike Cl on June 09, 2015, 11:04:15 AM
'Sexual atheism'--is stinging two words together that don't belong together--it is nonsensical.  It simply means people having sex that don't believe in god/gods.  Which illustrates nothing.  Which is why it is used in a religious context--religion is nonsensical, so theists would view this and shake their head in a knowing way agreeing that this is profound.
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: Termin on June 09, 2015, 11:45:30 AM
 
  Well I think he just wanted to kill 2 birds with one stone (they were probably adulterers anyways) and get the message out that premarital sex is bad and insult atheists at the same time.
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: Shiranu on June 09, 2015, 11:47:24 AM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on June 09, 2015, 06:01:34 AM
:rotflmao:


Ditto here.  :sad2:

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(Sorry, been looking for an excuse to use this gif)
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: GSOgymrat on June 09, 2015, 11:48:19 AM
He's just trying to use the negative connotations of atheism to make Christians feel bad about sex outside of marriage-- Sex outside marriage is something an atheist would do, and you don't want to be an atheist now do you?

No new ideas here, just an attempt at a catchphrase.

(https://36.media.tumblr.com/c176c4b422adc52c97433d7f9ffc18b8/tumblr_naudxwWyMl1tfypf9o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: stromboli on June 09, 2015, 12:38:04 PM
The problem is that its consensual. Its like the bicycle paradigm. You don't pray for a bicycle you steal one and pray for forgiveness. In religion you molest/rape your sister and pray for forgiveness. See?
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: Mike Cl on June 09, 2015, 12:52:08 PM
Quote from: stromboli on June 09, 2015, 12:38:04 PM
The problem is that its consensual. Its like the bicycle paradigm. You don't pray for a bicycle you steal one and pray for forgiveness. In religion you molest/rape your sister and pray for forgiveness. See?
Yeah, it's convenient how that works.
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: stromboli on June 09, 2015, 07:56:57 PM
I'll be honest- when I first read that I thought it was "sexual athleticism".  :doh:
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: Mike Cl on June 09, 2015, 07:59:14 PM
Quote from: stromboli on June 09, 2015, 07:56:57 PM
I'll be honest- when I first read that I thought it was "sexual athleticism".  :doh:
That would include Jimmy Swaggert then--and the catholic priests, of course.
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: Aletheia on June 09, 2015, 08:18:42 PM
Sexual atheism is having sex with someone who claims to be a God and you don't believe them.
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: stromboli on June 09, 2015, 08:21:43 PM
Quote from: Aletheia on June 09, 2015, 08:18:42 PM
Sexual atheism is having sex with someone who claims to be a God and you don't believe them.

Good definition as any. Sort of make up a phrase and define it your way, imo.
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: SGOS on June 10, 2015, 07:57:32 AM
sexual atheism

I admit, my first reaction was to actually expend a small amount of intellectual energy trying to understand what this meant.  Then I watched part of the video, and threw in the towel when I started getting the feeling that it wasn't necessary to understand what it meant.  But it's still under my skin.  How about sexual theism?  What would that be?  People engaging is sexual acts of a religious nature.  OK now I'm getting somewhere.  Using that as a starting point, sexual atheism would be people engaging in sexual acts that are not of a religious nature.

But that's exactly what most people do.  How many people engage in sexual acts of a religious nature?  I'm sure there are a few, and I'm sure most people would think such sexual behavior was weird.  Like really weird.  Would it include people having intercourse while asking God to smite their boss?  I dunno.  Who knows?
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: Termin on June 10, 2015, 10:19:03 AM
Quote from: SGOS on June 10, 2015, 07:57:32 AM
sexual atheism

I admit, my first reaction was to actually expend a small amount of intellectual energy trying to understand what this meant.  Then I watched part of the video, and threw in the towel when I started getting the feeling that it wasn't necessary to understand what it meant.  But it's still under my skin.  How about sexual theism?  What would that be?  People engaging is sexual acts of a religious nature.  OK now I'm getting somewhere.  Using that as a starting point, sexual atheism would be people engaging in sexual acts that are not of a religious nature.

But that's exactly what most people do.  How many people engage in sexual acts of a religious nature?  I'm sure there are a few, and I'm sure most people would think such sexual behavior was weird.  Like really weird.  Would it include people having intercourse while asking God to smite their boss?  I dunno.  Who knows?

Sexual theism would be the process of having sex, only while married , on bedsheets made of one fabric , whilst wearing special underwear and having at least one member of the clergy present to instruct the couple on the proper procedure to make it as quick, precise, and lacking any sort of lustful feeling.

  After the deed is done, both will have to pray for forgiveness, the man will have to wash himself in clean stream outside of town, and the woman will have to keep herself covered and maintain a strict level of modesty throughout the pregnancy.

Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: Savior2006 on June 10, 2015, 10:42:54 AM
Quote from: TrueStory on June 08, 2015, 07:25:57 PM
I was thinking the same thing.  AKA Cherry Picking. AKA metaphorical not literal.  AKA typical theist.

I've had a lot of friends in college like that. Yeah they believe in God, but they don't let that get in the way of them living their lives, occasionally getting drunk and having sex.
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: Atheon on June 10, 2015, 11:19:16 AM
I must be a sexual theist because I say "Oh god oh god" when I'm getting it good.
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: Munch on June 10, 2015, 01:34:44 PM
Quote from: Atheon on June 10, 2015, 11:19:16 AM
I must be a sexual theist because I say "Oh god oh god" when I'm getting it good.

I just think of it that I'm thinking of Thor when its happening. He's a god after all.

(http://uk.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2015022/rs_500x200-150122112812-tumblr_n3v7rxzdi11tsvbbno2_500.gif)

oh yeah god of thunder indeed >:)
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: Ace101 on June 10, 2015, 03:39:35 PM
Sexual asceticism is wrong, and results in lower testosterone in men - and too much sexual repression may very well lead to dysfunction and paraphilias (it likely had a role in the Catholic priests molesting little boys).

I think Christians' negative fixation with sex is just part of the authoritarian nature of religious fundamentalism in general - it has a lot of parallels with totalitarian regimes (such as commie China, where prostitution and pornography are banned as well).

I believe denying people of sensual pleasures is just a standard authoritarian practice - the idea is that people who are more pleasure deprived are easier to manipulate and control - ex. if a Christian fundamentalist is allowed to enjoy sex, booze, music, dancing, etc - he'd be much more likely to realize just how much more fun it is than "worshiping God" every day.

The idea is to eliminate any and all competing "pleasures" so the only remaining pleasure is to serve the state, the church, the cult leader, etc
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: Savior2006 on June 15, 2015, 08:31:07 PM
Quote from: Ace101 on June 10, 2015, 03:39:35 PM

I believe denying people of sensual pleasures is just a standard authoritarian practice - the idea is that people who are more pleasure deprived are easier to manipulate and control - ex. if a Christian fundamentalist is allowed to enjoy sex, booze, music, dancing, etc - he'd be much more likely to realize just how much more fun it is than "worshiping God" every day.

The idea is to eliminate any and all competing "pleasures" so the only remaining pleasure is to serve the state, the church, the cult leader, etc

In a nut.......shell.=D
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: Baruch on June 16, 2015, 06:38:59 AM
To give a contrast ... in Hasidic Judaism, hetero sex is encouraged.  Specifically, doing the deed is best done on the Sabbath, because it doesn't count as work but as re-creation ... literally.  It isn't talked about, but in belief there are two gods, G-d and G-ddess ... who make out on the Sabbath ... hieros gamos.  So on the general magical principle of "as it is above, so it is below" ... the fundamental act of creation is reinforced by G-d's followers.  Tantric Judaism.

There are two sources of Christian ascetism.  To not fornicate like Romans (who were sex & war maniacs following Venus/Aphrodite ... who is married to Mars/Ares).  And by borrowing from Buddhism/Hinduism.  Members of the Sangha (Buddhist monks and nuns) are under strict self discipline, including no sex at all, since this distracts from meditation, the miracle of Nirvana.  Yogis (who aren't Tantric) are saving up thru asceticism ... so that they will have the necessary spiritual power to perform the miracle of Moksha. 

So unless you are from India, and trying to achieve spiritual perfection ... there is no need to be ascetic.  Similarly ... though I have nothing against pagans, and the secret name of Roma is Amor, I do think being a maniac is a clinical condition that may require intervention.  As far as self discipline goes, I think a little goes a long way ... and the alternative is for the authorities to exert community discipline ... and nobody likes that.  But I would characterize most diatribes against sex as ignorant.
Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: Munch on June 16, 2015, 03:09:41 PM
Maybe when such Christians imagine atheist sex, they imagine its more like this:

(nsfw)
[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/BH3FYDu.jpg)[/spoiler]

Cause the atheist sodomite devils that we are.

Title: Re: What Is Sexual Atheism, and Why Is It Wrong?
Post by: trdsf on June 16, 2015, 06:29:48 PM
I have always found the Christian (and other religions) fascination with sex telling.  It's a power thing -- Orwell stated it most clearly in 'Nineteen Eight Four', thusly:

Quote from: George Orwell
Unlike Winston, she had grasped the inner meaning of the Party's sexual puritanism.  It was not merely that the sex instinct created a world of its own which was outside the Party's control and which therefore had to be destroyed if possible.  What was more important was that sexual privation induced hysteria, which was desirable because it could be transformed into war fever and leader worship.  The way she put it was:

"When you make love you're using up energy; and afterwards you feel happy and don't give a damn for anything.  They can't bear you to feel like that.  They want you to be bursting with energy all the time.  All this marching up and down and cheering and waving flags is just sex gone sour.  If you're happy inside yourself, why should you get excited about Big Brother and the Three Year Plans and the Two Minutes Hate and all the rest of their bloody rot?"

That was very true, he thought.  There was a direct, intimate connection between chastity and political orthodoxy.  For how could the fear, the hatred, and the lunatic credulity which the Party needed in its member  be kept at the right pitch except by bottling some powerful instinct and using it as a driving force?  The sex impulse was dangerous to the Party, and the Party had turned it to account.

And the thing is, if you substitute 'religion' (or the name of any of several particular religions) for 'the Party' and 'god' for 'Big Brother' and so on, it is still perfectly valid.

And the reason that they get so exercised about it is for the exact same reasons: it means that we are not under their control, and control is the name of the game.  This is certainly why some denominations are so violently opposed to equal marriage rights: they have spent so long declaring that the only purpose of sex is procreation, and homosexual relations are not about procreation.

One wonders why, if they're so adamant that marriage is about procreation, these same churches wouldn't hesitate to marry a straight couple where one or both partners were sterile due to a medical condition, or an older widow and widower who were past reproduction age.

Oh, yes, silly me.  Because they're rampaging hypocrites.