How about if I give a video(s) on a philosopher and you tell me your opinions on certain viewpoints on this, can thus can discuss.
I want us to become better people, and a way that I think we can is becoming more open to discuss our ideas in a fairly rational sense... And perhaps rationality shall pass on to the next generation in some way.
If its longer than 60 seconds I ain't watching it. Not that I have better things to do, or that I am easily distracted but I
Quote from: aitm on May 19, 2015, 08:55:30 PM
If its longer than 60 seconds I ain't watching it. Not that I have better things to do, or that I am easily distracted but I
Note Taken, I can manage with short videos.
Quote from: dtq123 on May 19, 2015, 08:46:10 PM
How about if I give a video(s) on a philosopher and you tell me your opinions on certain viewpoints on this, can thus can discuss.
I want us to become better people, and a way that I think we can is becoming more open to discuss our ideas in a fairly rational sense... And perhaps rationality shall pass on to the next generation in some way.
Go for it if that's what you want to do. A brief assessment of their ideas could make for a good discussion.
But yeah, like aitm said, being concise and to the point is key. Less is more. K.I.S.S. Etc.
Quote from: aitm on May 19, 2015, 08:55:30 PM
If its longer than 60 seconds I ain't watching it. Not that I have better things to do, or that I am easily distracted but I
aitm often nods off--so treat him kindly.
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 19, 2015, 09:06:28 PM
aitm often nods off--so treat him kindly.
don't make me get off this couch!
Quote from: Hydra009 on May 19, 2015, 09:02:30 PM
Go for it if that's what you want to do. A brief assessment of their ideas could make for a good discussion.
But yeah, like aitm said, being concise and to the point is key. Less is more. K.I.S.S. Etc.
Done :smile:
I forgot to ask: what philosopher(s)?
Quote from: Hydra009 on May 19, 2015, 09:13:56 PM
I forgot to ask: what philosopher(s)?
Any! Would you like to volunteer one for me to find? Or would you bring a video yourself if you could? Even not, I have good videos for discussion, and maybe some on the topic you're looking for. (Maybe)
Hey--how about the topic of---the philosophical impact of the New York Yankees on the American society? That would be a great topic!
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 19, 2015, 09:44:04 PM
Hey--how about the topic of---the philosophical impact of the New York Yankees on the American society? That would be a great topic!
Nice joke, but no... I want this to be a bit more of a serious game. One with no loss sure, but almost infinite gain.
I'm ready. Hey----wait, wait..............The Yankees are no joke! Well, maybe this year, but not historically!
I'm going to start round one:
It's not short or simple, so find time when you can, don't rush.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSfXdNIolQA
So, you want to be a frustrator, eh? So, the message is--we have free will but we can't use it freely. Okay. I think that has been talked about on some threads here. And I agree. We don't have what is classically thought of as free will. We can make some choices, but not as many as we may think. We are controlled and influenced by many, many factors. Depending upon the person, because each of us is a unique collection of chemicals. How those chemicals interact and how our physical makeup controls or doesn't control those chemicals, determines much of our actions. Saying we have no ability to make choices or that we have total control of our choices is wrong. We each have a differing ability to make choices in various situations. So, yes and no is a good answer.
Ok, due to a lack of a response, I think I either made the video too long or I didn't start the conversation well enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LqNm9d2__I
Do you think these distinctions are important in real life, or just in philosophy?
Quote from: dtq123 on May 25, 2015, 03:25:03 PM
Do you think these distinctions are important in real life, or just in philosophy?
They're important, but most people can go their entire life without being precise with their definitions. People do that all the time. Common speech is not precise and for the most part, insisting others who simply do not care use these terms correctly will make you come across as pedantic.
Quote from: dtq123 on May 20, 2015, 06:13:15 PM
I'm going to start round one:
It's not short or simple, so find time when you can, don't rush.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSfXdNIolQA
I prefer to approach this the way one would a zen koan, which is you need to think six steps down the line, not just answer the immediate question.
The frustrator reminds me of the observer effect as incorrectly cited in one of the Jurassic Park movies, of all things. That the act of observing changes what is observed. Such as, that by observing wildlife to see what their natural behavior would be, your very presence alters their behavior.
A prediction that can be thwarted when the subject knows the prediction fails to take the prediction into account with the other factors. Hence why that prediction can fail.
I find the concept of this frustrator device not very interesting because it is simply a device hard wired to fail, sort of like how theists have set up their gods to always succeed. I don't find it very illustrative on the subject of free will.
What seems more interesting is the concept of predictability. Our society and technology have advanced as much as they have because we can very accurate predictions about the world. So why does this stop working when dealing with people?
Well, it doesn't, first of all. People don't still go to church or Fast and Furious movies because they have any value but because they're able to manipulate the emotions of the clueless masses and they, rather predictably, into going along with it and handing over their money.
Last time I had dinner with my family, I bet my dad that my brother would sing when I place my order. This would have worked except the asshole was sitting right next to me and heard me bet that he would sing, so he didn't. He would have if he hadn't've heard.
Will may be free but it is also predictable.
I mean, honestly. "Free will?" Free of what? All factors that would make a decision predictable? A will free of all such things would make no decisions. In that case, is it even a will?
It's been a while, and so I give you this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzoLlL4mHlE
Do you think it is moral for people to use (concepts of at least,) BDSM for their pleasure?
Human existence is the complicated mishmash of human imaginations ... if you can imagine it ... you have at least anticipated experiencing it. Outside the Matrix ... you simply describe what is, not what should be. Inside the Matrix .. you simply describe what should be, not what is. Take both the blue and red pills.