Hi there. I'm Conradine, but you can call me 'nradine. I'm here to convert you all and save your filthy unbelieving souls. But it could take a bit of time so, until I eventually succed in bringing you to light, true and eternal coolness, let's have a bit of fun.
See ya around.
Oh goody.
"Eternal coolness." Now that's a new one. Did we get that before?
Unless this is a sarcastic post from an atheist, if you really are a believer, be warned we are not lost puppies for you to save. We have fangs and we do use them against absurd claims.
Extraoirdinary claims requires extraordinary contrary evidence to be refuted. Semantic and logic are on the side of the True Believer!
True Believer = Deluded Arsehole... :shifty:
Quote from: Conradine on May 13, 2015, 08:09:21 AM
logic are on the side of the True Believer!
oh goody.
Quote from: Conradine on May 13, 2015, 08:09:21 AM
Extraoirdinary claims requires extraordinary contrary evidence to be refuted. Semantic and logic are on the side of the True Believer!
:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
A. Extraordinary claims or any claim, for that matter, requires proof by the person making the claim. If a scientist makes a claim/hypothesis they must at some point back it through experimentation that derives either evidence or disproves it.
B. Anything you stipulate- such as the existence of god, which is ultimately not provable- is just a claim. Seeking evidence to refute/prove a not provable claim is therefore pointless.
C. Likewise claiming that contrary statements or opinions are false without being able to prove the original issue true or false is just a meaningless waste of time.
"A" theist means lacking belief in god. That is all. It doesn't mean we have disproved god because ultimately you can't disprove something that has no evidence that it exists. We can circumstantially refute belief because lack of evidence is also evidence of non existence; if it isn't there and gives no evidence of being there, we can make the assumption that it doesn't exist. Until some form of proof that we are unaware of is revealed, we can by simple logic be fairly certain that by default, no god exists.
Then, can you prove the existence of Atheism?
Also, even if you can prove Atheism existed, can you demonstrated it made miracles and resurrected from the grave?
Have you a personal relationship with Atheism?
Sheesh! We've got some nutty guy right now posing as an atheist, and we can get rid of him. Now we've got an atheist posing as a believer. This place is turning into a masquerade ball for sock puppets.
Quote from: Conradine on May 13, 2015, 10:18:40 AM
Then, can you prove the existence of Atheism?
Also, even if you can prove Atheism existed, can you demonstrated it made miracles and resurrected from the grave?
Have you a personal relationship with Atheism?
I'm off to bed now but I'll bid you farewell before I do because it's highly unlikely you'll be around by the time I wake up - unless you/we experience a 2nd coming with a new IP address. Addressing the above means less sleep - forget that!
Quote from: Conradine on May 13, 2015, 10:18:40 AM
Then, can you prove the existence of Atheism?
Also, even if you can prove Atheism existed, can you demonstrated it made miracles and resurrected from the grave?
Have you a personal relationship with Atheism?
can you prove the existence of Atheism?
If Atheism didnt exist this forum would'nt be here.
Also, even if you can prove Atheism existed, can you demonstrated it made miracles and resurrected from the grave?
This is too stupid a question to warrant an answer.
Have you a personal relationship with Atheism?
You cant have a ''Personal relationship'' with non belief. :wall:
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Hi there. :)
Sorry for the prank.
My real name is Samuele. 29 years old, Veneto ( north Italy ), teorical agnostic / pratical atheist. Ex student of philosophy, now unemployed and prone to waste a bit of time joking around.
Never baptized, both my parents are agnostics and not religious. I never worried much about deism and theology until the last year. Two people younger than me died in a car accident in my village and I started obsessing about death and afterlife. So I starded studying theology, philology and also biology with a bit more interest ( despite superating high school I had forgotten most of what I learned and never applied seriously ).
Beside that, my hobbies are martial arts, gdr and occultism.
Nice to meet you. ^^
Quote from: Conradine on May 13, 2015, 10:18:40 AM
Then, can you prove the existence of Atheism?
Also, even if you can prove Atheism existed, can you demonstrated it made miracles and resurrected from the grave?
Have you a personal relationship with Atheism?
Well, WTF..................the scales, the scales have dropped from my eyes! I can see...........I can see! Jebus, thank you! I cun now see--I was blind before. Jebus is lawrd and gwad is king--yeah, yeah, that makes so much sinse. The debel made me do it--he/she/it blinded me all this time! I can now kneel down with Jebus right ther next to me--he is so purddy! And he lubs me no matter what I doe. Or thunk or donn thunk. No mattur whut---gwad I hope he cums soon. Thanky, thanky dear Con (perfect name don't ya think???)--I is now saaavvveeedddddddd!
Quote from: Conradine on May 13, 2015, 10:56:38 AM
Hi there. :)
Sorry for the prank.
My real name is Samuele. 29 years old, Veneto ( north Italy ), teorical agnostic / pratical atheist. Ex student of philosophy, now unemployed and prone to waste a bit of time joking around.
Never baptized, both my parents are agnostics and not religious. I never worried much about deism and theology until the last year. Two people younger than me died in a car accident in my village and I started obsessing about death and afterlife. So I starded studying theology, philology and also biology with a bit more interest ( despite superating high school I had forgotten most of what I learned and never applied seriously ).
Beside that, my hobbies are martial arts, gdr and occultism.
Nice to meet you. ^^
Quote from: Conradine on May 13, 2015, 10:56:38 AM
Hi there. :)
Sorry for the prank.
My real name is Samuele. 29 years old, Veneto ( north Italy ), teorical agnostic / pratical atheist.
Nice to meet you. ^^
Ha, Nailed it! With my lie detector senses and my keen understanding of human psychology. :smile2:
Quote from: SGOS on May 13, 2015, 11:27:49 AM
Ha, Nailed it! With my lie detector senses and my keen understanding of human psychology. :smile2:
I hereby award 1 internet and a Koo Koo Kachoo. :clap:
Quote from: stromboli on May 13, 2015, 11:30:22 AM
I hereby award 1 internet and a Koo Koo Kachoo. :clap:
Hot Damn!
:naughty: Welcome aboard Conradine! Solitary
An atheist researching about death and afterlife by studying theology, philology and philosophy. :neutral:
Anyway, welcome aboard. Less google translate could be better for you.
Nice to meet you, welcome to the forum
Quote from: drunkenshoe on May 13, 2015, 12:51:35 PM
An atheist researching about death and afterlife by studying theology, philology and philosophy. :neutral:
Anyway, welcome aboard. Less google translate could be better for you.
perhaps he meant he realized he was an atheist because of the studies? Thats often a good case of people who by good old education realize why Christians and other theists are afraid of science so much.
Uhhh..repent Sam or ye shall go to H E double dirty Q-tips®..
Hiya, nice to meet you ... and we need to lighten up a bit past that prank :/
My gf, a self described xtian tells me that god is amused by my atheism.. I'm here to entertain..
QuoteAn atheist researching about death and afterlife by studying theology, philology and philosophy.
I always have been pratically atheist ( I call myself "teorically agnostic" because I don't exclude with 100% certainity the existence of some kind of macroscopical order or intelligence, but I'm 100% certain that the antropomorphic deities of religions are human-made creations ) and I never had any rational doubts about abramitic religions.
But more ore less one year ago I was striken by an irrational fear ( "what if I am wrong about islamic / catholic / protestant Hell?" ), so I felt the need to study the origins of the abramitic mythology, and also platonism which is the basis of christian philosphy ( Scolastica ), in order to rationally prove them false.
I guess that some will think "wasn't the tale of the talking snake enough to persuade you that it's bullcrap"?
Yes, as a child was enough but as a anxiety-striken adult I needed to search a bit more.
I found very informative Bart Ehrman's phililogy books about mistranslation and forgeries in the Bible.
Even though I don't buy it I kinda like my dad's version.. No god, but 'there's something out there..' That's pretty basic for an 86 year old man..
Quote from: Conradine on May 13, 2015, 02:59:07 PM
I always have been pratically atheist ( I call myself "teorically agnostic" because I don't exclude with 100% certainity the existence of some kind of macroscopical order or intelligence, but I'm 100% certain that the antropomorphic deities of religions are human-made creations ) and I never had any rational doubts about abramitic religions.
But more ore less one year ago I was striken by an irrational fear ( "what if I am wrong about islamic / catholic / protestant Hell?" ), so I felt the need to study the origins of the abramitic mythology, and also platonism which is the basis of christian philosphy ( Scolastica ), in order to rationally prove them false.
I guess that some will think "wasn't the tale of the talking snake enough to persuade you that it's bullcrap"?
Yes, as a child was enough but as a anxiety-striken adult I needed to search a bit more.
I found very informative Bart Ehrman's phililogy books about mistranslation and forgeries in the Bible.
OK.
Anxiety can be really bad. It's good if reading and research helps you with it. But it's just a year now. It probably will get much better by time. Apparently you had a bad trauma and went through a rough patch. I'm guessing you lost peole close to you or had some connection with the event. Did you have a life threatening experience? In my opinion, it is also important trying to differ what you feel from what you think about all this. Irrational part is the emotions and thoughts come attached to that. It could help, if you look at from this angle. Even without any trauma, being afraid of death and harm is perfectly normal.
Quote from: Conradine on May 13, 2015, 02:59:07 PM
I don't exclude with 100% certainity the existence of some kind of macroscopical order or intelligence
Lightweight. Welcome.
I repented in my pants... does that count?
Quote from: kilodelta on May 13, 2015, 03:48:04 PM
I repented in my pants... does that count?
That's where it counts the most.
Quote from: Conradine on May 13, 2015, 07:18:21 AM
Hi there. I'm Conradine, but you can call me 'nradine. I'm here to convert you all and save your filthy unbelieving souls. But it could take a bit of time so, until I eventually succed in bringing you to light, true and eternal coolness, let's have a bit of fun.
See ya around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osN_LUmHp8s
Quote from: kilodelta on May 13, 2015, 03:48:04 PM
I repented in my pants... does that count?
As long as you clean up after yourself.
The real question is how often do you crap and fart?
Quote from: Conradine on May 13, 2015, 02:59:07 PM
I always have been pratically atheist ( I call myself "teorically agnostic" because I don't exclude with 100% certainity the existence of some kind of macroscopical order or intelligence, but I'm 100% certain that the antropomorphic deities of religions are human-made creations ) and I never had any rational doubts about abramitic religions.
But more ore less one year ago I was striken by an irrational fear ( "what if I am wrong about islamic / catholic / protestant Hell?" ), so I felt the need to study the origins of the abramitic mythology, and also platonism which is the basis of christian philosphy ( Scolastica ), in order to rationally prove them false.
I guess that some will think "wasn't the tale of the talking snake enough to persuade you that it's bullcrap"?
Yes, as a child was enough but as a anxiety-striken adult I needed to search a bit more.
I found very informative Bart Ehrman's phililogy books about mistranslation and forgeries in the Bible.
That does not sound pleasant. But have you considered professional help?
QuoteApparently you had a bad trauma and went through a rough patch. I'm guessing you lost peole close to you or had some connection with the event. Did you have a life threatening experience?
I think it was a concurrence of circumstances and events.
I went through a long interval of stress ( long story ), lost a relative after a long illness ( breast cancer ) and the accident in my town were two people younger than me died. I was not directly involved but it made me think a lot about the uncertainity of life.
Then I made the mistake of getting involved in too many discussion with theists, and read too many fundies articles. I guess that some of these scare tactics had a grip on my stress-weakened mind.
Quote from: Conradine on May 13, 2015, 04:46:46 PM
I think it was a concurrence of circumstances and events.
I went through a long interval of stress ( long story ), lost a relative after a long illness ( breast cancer ) and the accident in my town were two people younger than me died. I was not directly involved but it made me think a lot about the uncertainity of life.
Then I made the mistake of getting involved in too many discussion with theists, and read too many fundies articles. I guess that some of these scare tactics had a grip on my stress-weakened mind.
OK. Sorry to hear all that.
Quotehave you considered professional help?
Yes. But the two problems were:
1- solving the irrational doubt about hell
2- solving the fear of mortality in itself
None of these problems could be solved by an analyst because, for problem 1, I needed to be 100% sure about the non-existence of the danger, and about problem 2, an analyst could only suggest me tricks to accept death.
About problem 1, I think I've solved it. I found relief in reading about the numerous variations and forgeries in the Gospels, the assirian, phoenician and egyprian myths that predates christianity, and also getting a bit deeper in my understanding of evolution ( shame to me, when I was in high school I learned really little about, just memorized some pages and got past my exams... like most of the other guys had done ).
About problem 2, well, I feel not ready to accept my mortality so I chosen to put my hopes in transhumanism and life prolonging strategies.
Quote from: Conradine on May 13, 2015, 04:46:46 PM
Then I made the mistake of getting involved in too many discussion with theists, and read too many fundies articles. I guess that some of these scare tactics had a grip on my stress-weakened mind.
My grandmother was a fundamentalist, and got to me when I was probably around three. I think my mother told her to back off, but my grandmother made an impression, and I carried that baggage for many years.
There is one particular mind trick that disturbed me. The presumption that there is no honest atheist, because Paul in the Bible said that everyone knows in his earth is accountable and bla bla. Usually I would answer "you don0t read minds so shut up".
And it's the logical answer.
But in that moment of stress and obsessive thinking about death I started asking myself "Am I REALLY sure I am not deceiving myself?".
It's frustrating because no matter the argumentation, believers keeps repeating that you are lying to yourself and secretly knows you're wrong, that you just want to sin and do not change your lifestyle... these kind of things.
I was not used to these kind of discussions. In Italy, despite the heavy presence of catholic church, most believers are quite...
let's say, lukewarm about faith.
Quote from: Conradine on May 13, 2015, 05:07:57 PM
There is one particular mind trick that disturbed me. The presumption that there is no honest atheist, because Paul in the Bible said that everyone knows in his earth is accountable and bla bla.
Well in my long transition from Christian to atheists (many years), I thought about things like this, and I looked at myself honestly too, because I believe self honesty is crucial to mental well being. I probably spent more time thinking and wondering about God that most Christians, because if he did exist, it would have highly serious implications for mankind. The problem is that emotions and human desires aside, there isn't one shred of evidence to support the existence of a god. So like you, I understand that God is not the logical answer, and you're right Paul and the rest of Christianity can't read minds. Most important of all is that when theists make the "you know in your heart" claim, they are full of shit, at least if they are saying that to me. I know what's in my heart much better than they do. You know what's in your heart too.
Quote from: Conradine on May 13, 2015, 05:07:57 PM
Usually I would answer "you don0t read minds so shut up".
And it's the logical answer. But in that moment of stress and obsessive thinking about death I started asking myself "Am I REALLY sure I am not deceiving myself?".
I've been there too, that brainwashing I got from my grandmother creates a lot of baggage, and it doesn't go away emotionally, even though you know it doesn't past the test of logic. So you question yourself, which is a good thing, but only to a certain extent. When you violate reason with such obsessive thinking. It becomes a handicap. When you let it tell you what is not in your heart, it's a handicap. However, you've turned your mental garbage can upside down and dumped out most of the garbage, but the maggots clinging to the sides of the can don't die right away. That stuff can haunt you for a long time, but reason can prevail. At least that's what I've found.
Quote from: Conradine on May 13, 2015, 05:07:57 PM
It's frustrating because no matter the argumentation, believers keeps repeating that you are lying to yourself and secretly knows you're wrong, that you just want to sin and do not change your lifestyle... these kind of things.
I'm hear to tell you, they don't know what they are talking about. They make up stuff and swallow passages from the Bible without thought or reason. Don't let them tell you what's in your mind. They have not a clue.
Quote from: Conradine on May 13, 2015, 05:07:57 PM
I was not used to these kind of discussions. In Italy, despite the heavy presence of catholic church, most believers are quite...
let's say, lukewarm about faith.
I hope you will enjoy the forum. I think you have a lot to offer.
Quote from: Conradine on May 13, 2015, 04:53:19 PM
Yes. But the two problems were:
1- solving the irrational doubt about hell
2- solving the fear of mortality in itself
None of these problems could be solved by an analyst because, for problem 1, I needed to be 100% sure about the non-existence of the danger, and about problem 2, an analyst could only suggest me tricks to accept death.
About problem 1, I think I've solved it. I found relief in reading about the numerous variations and forgeries in the Gospels, the assirian, phoenician and egyprian myths that predates christianity, and also getting a bit deeper in my understanding of evolution ( shame to me, when I was in high school I learned really little about, just memorized some pages and got past my exams... like most of the other guys had done ).
About problem 2, well, I feel not ready to accept my mortality so I chosen to put my hopes in transhumanism and life prolonging strategies.
You can discredit the existence about hell by studying the origins of the concept and watching as the idea was embellished upon much like a rumour or a game of "Chinese whispers." The concept can also be discredited by the notion that your body is decomposing and therefore you no longer have pain receptors or a brain and therefore cannot feel pain. This undermines the purpose of hell - to cause pain.
Everything dies - that is the nature of life. I've seen death very frequently in my life and the transition from living to dead is almost instant. Whatever fears, worries, or pain you feel while alive no longer matter when you die. Death is as simple as flipping a light switch. One moment you're here and in the next you no longer exist. The experience of death is no different than the experience you had before you were born.
Death is inevitable. We can choose to live our precious life in fear of it, or we can choose to just live our life.
Welcome conradine, to our little band of heathens.
Quote from: Conradine on May 13, 2015, 10:56:38 AM
Hi there. :)
Sorry for the prank.
My real name is Samuele. 29 years old, Veneto ( north Italy ), teorical agnostic / pratical atheist. Ex student of philosophy, now unemployed and prone to waste a bit of time joking around.
Never baptized, both my parents are agnostics and not religious. I never worried much about deism and theology until the last year. Two people younger than me died in a car accident in my village and I started obsessing about death and afterlife. So I starded studying theology, philology and also biology with a bit more interest ( despite superating high school I had forgotten most of what I learned and never applied seriously ).
Beside that, my hobbies are martial arts, gdr and occultism.
Nice to meet you. ^^
Well if you are into martial arts you sure came to the right place. Here we practice the martial arts of the mind. And we are all black belts.
Quote from: Brian37 on May 13, 2015, 08:04:48 AM
Unless this is a sarcastic post from an atheist, if you really are a believer, be warned we are not lost puppies for you to save. We have fangs and we do use them against absurd claims.
And we know bullshit when we smell it.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 14, 2015, 06:36:14 PM
Well if you are into martial arts you sure came to the right place. Here we practice the martial arts of the mind. And we are all black belts.
I like that!