This asshat is a real piece of work...
QuoteThe pastor in question asked to have his congregation’s listing removed from Anderson’s church directory, a decision which Pastor David Berzins of Word of Truth Baptist Church condemned as the act of a traitor to his faith, even though the offending clergyman is a personal friend of his.
“I like the guy,†said Berzins. “He’s a Christian, he’s saved, he does soul-winning, he believes in a King James Bible, it’s a Baptist church. Independent Fundamental Baptist church.â€
The offending pastor even believes “that homosexuality is a wickedness and preaches against it,†Berzins went on, but his faith in Berzins’ eyes, is suspect.
“But just because they don’t believe that [homosexuals] should be stoned,†he said, that church’s teachings are invalid.
“I think it’s very clear†in the Bible, Berzins insisted, that people with same-sex attractions should be stoned to death.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/04/pastor-condemns-fellow-clergyman-for-not-supporting-death-by-stoning-for-gays/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5QWEkuMEzw
Can I stone my father for his divorce too?
“I like the guy,†said Berzins. “He’s a Christian, he’s saved, he does soul-winning, he believes in a King James Bible, it’s a Baptist church. Independent Fundamental Baptist church.â€
Apparently he doesn't know about the good king's, uh, proclivities.
Is "soul-winning" anything like fishing?
What's he saved from? Oh yeah, imaginary buggers.
I'm often torn between dismissively regarding people like this as something not worth giving thought to, but if its a bad day, given what he says, it wouldn't take much for me to hit reverse in a car and drive over him several times.
Just proving, religion draws in psychopaths.
Wow and jesus said love thy neighbor. Unless he's gay apparently.
I think we can fight this. Whenever a Christian says gays should be stoned to death, we should quote a similar passage in the Qu'ran and talk about how Islam and Christianity have so much in common. Hell, why stop there? Compare the value of a woman, how age of consent doesn't matter, the patriarchal hierarchy, paedophilia, theocracy, indoctrination of children, apostasy, and various other similarities between the two religions. I won't be satisfied until the majority of Christians start to crawfish on their arguments and even physically alter the Bible to be more PR friendly than the Qu'ran.
Stoning gays to death? Seriously? What person in a first world society is going to pick up a bunch of stones and pelt a random gay person to death? Who in their right mind would think this is ok? What's next, claiming ownership of people who have a different skin pigment than you?
I'm sorry, I can only brush this off for so long before I can't avoid the implications of these words any longer. They want to KILL people. Take the life of some man's husband and some child's father? Beat to death a woman whose only crime is having a wife? These sick fucks have the audacity to think that an "all-loving" god would ever sanction this? The nerve to think that a crumpled up corpse of an innocent person will pay their way into heaven? These people lost their humanity a long time ago - they're too fucking psychotic to realize it.
If only we could convert stupidity into an energy source. We've got enough stupid to travel clear across the galaxy.
I stopped reading at ''soul winning.''
I can't even muster up a reply, but the pastor who is spewing this trash, should be in jail.
I know one thing for sure, this guy brings out the worst in me. I would throttle him with my bare hands until he repented. What a hateful person that uses religion to justify his fears, hatefulness, bigotry, prejudice, sadistic impulses, and feelings of being persecuted for his insane beliefs. If this guy had the power Hitler had he would be no different. I honestly can't wait until I die so I don't have to live in world with people like him. This guy needs to be locked up in a lunatic asylum before he takes action against gays. Life isn't hard enough, and yet you have to live in a world with people like this that make it unbearable to live and let live. To pick and choose Leviticus as a life guide is about as insane and stupid for even a die hard Christian to do. Why are people too afraid to stand up and boo such an evil person as this? The Catholic Church and Judeo have done wonders to make life a living hell by making The Testaments the word of God. :axe: :fU: :oak: :butt: :borg: :angry: :sad: Solitary
Well he's basically inciting other christians to commit violence against gay people, he should be in jail........
Quote from: Green Bottle on April 16, 2015, 06:19:15 AM
Well he's basically inciting other christians to commit violence against gay people, he should be in jail........
Agreed, and theres evidense of it right there. Is this one of those things where the justice system there is cock eyed between 'freedom of speech' and 'inciting violence', because when its this fucking direct this falls right in with abusing the freedom of speech laws.
Yaknow, I wonder if I was introduced to him and then casually mentioned that he'd just shaken the hand of a gay atheist, if the side of his head might just pop off.
Quote from: trdsf on April 16, 2015, 07:15:55 AM
Yaknow, I wonder if I was introduced to him and then casually mentioned that he'd just shaken the hand of a gay atheist, if the side of his head might just pop off.
If you did he'd probably start screaming, ''INFECTED INFECTED'', and then look for an axe to cut his unclean hand off...... :wall: :surprised:
"He believes in King James version of the Bible." ??
Quote from: SGOS on April 16, 2015, 08:07:18 AM
"He believes in King James version of the Bible." ??
That would be the version commissioned to punch up the sections that supported the CofE (and Protestantism generally) over Catholicism. The KJE is one of the more explicitly political "translations". So apparently, they agree on antipopery.
Quote from: trdsf on April 16, 2015, 08:55:42 AM
That would be the version commissioned to punch up the sections that supported the CofE (and Protestantism generally) over Catholicism. The KJE is one of the more explicitly political "translations". So apparently, they agree on antipopery.
Ahhh, that would explain why it was important to a Baptist. I used to wonder why when I said the Lord's Prayer in unison with others, other people would say different words. It would throw things off at a certain point, and people would chuckle. I'm wondering now if those people who "didn't say it right" were Catholics?
Quote from: stromboli on April 15, 2015, 10:56:57 PM
If only we could convert stupidity into an energy source. We've got enough stupid to travel clear across the galaxy.
Yeah. And just from this country alone.
Quote from: SGOS on April 16, 2015, 09:14:09 AM
Ahhh, that would explain why it was important to a Baptist. I used to wonder why when I said the Lord's Prayer in unison with others, other people would say different words. It would throw things off at a certain point, and people would chuckle. I'm wondering now if those people who "didn't say it right" were Catholics?
One of the reasons I find studying the history of the buybull is that is has such a complicated history and there are versions galore out there. The Lord's Prayer is just one illustration of all of that. Consider this rendition:
Origins of The Lord's Prayer
Why do theologians spend years studying Classical Greek? Because common translations of the New Testament do not fully reflect their Greek Origins.
How can the vast majority of us profit from this Classical Greek scholarship without studying Classical Greek? By reading a faithful word-for-word literal translation of the Greek, as in the following transliteration of the Lord's Prayer:
Father of ours who 's in * heaven,
hallowed be thy name of yours,
come thy kingdom of yours,
arise thy will of yours,
as in heaven, also on earth.
This bread of ours that 's for the coming day give us this day.
And free us from these debts of ours
as also we have freed those debtors of ours.
And do not lead us into trial,
but draw us to you, away from that which is grievous .
How can we be sure that a word-for-word transliteration is itself faithful? In a word, page notes. Mouse over any word of the above prayer, and you will find the Greek word it came from along with common alternate translations of the Greek word. In some cases, a reference to a Greek-English lexicon is provided for backup. Additional page notes comment on significant differences between the literal word-for-word translation and traditional translations.
But what is the original, most authentic version of the Greek New Testament? In 1853, Brooke Foss Westcott and Fenton John Anthony Hort asked an interesting question: What was the original Greek version of the New Testament? They compared available ancient Greek texts and worked backwards to a probable common ancestor, which they called The New Testament in the Original Greek. Their work is based on the oldest extant versions of the New Testament, including the Codex Sinaiticus and the Codex Vaticanus. The above transliteration is taken word-for-word from their work, Matthew 6:9-13.
A few points--the lawrd's preyer can be found in two places--Mathew and Luke. Each a little different. When the author of the above mentions Codex Sinaticus and Codex Vaticanus, he opens another can of worms. There is no way of knowing what the 'original' babble consisted of because it simply did not survive, so all we have are copies of copies. (Ever play telephone, where a person whispers a phrase into the ear of one, who then turns and whispers the same message to another, and so on. And the end phrase is never the same as the starting one? Copies of copies of copies face the same problem) So, all we have to go on are fragments of old surviving texts. And it has been surmised that the NT was all written in Greek, while Jesus would have spoken Aremaic. Translation problems right off the bat. Anyway, I love looking into this stuff. The average 'educated' christian looks at me with a blank look when I bring this subject up. The religious just simply do not like to be reminded of history of any level or depth.
QuoteFather of ours who 's in * heaven,
hallowed be thy name of yours,
come thy kingdom of yours,
arise thy will of yours,
as in heaven, also on earth.
This bread of ours that 's for the coming day give us this day.
And free us from these debts of ours
as also we have freed those debtors of ours....
I need to memorize this and practice it, so I can say it during a group prayer. Talk about monkey wrenching the ambiance! But then I could explain to everyone that I was reciting it in close to an original form. I'm sure that could get some attention.
Quote from: SGOS on April 16, 2015, 09:14:09 AM
Ahhh, that would explain why it was important to a Baptist. I used to wonder why when I said the Lord's Prayer in unison with others, other people would say different words. It would throw things off at a certain point, and people would chuckle. I'm wondering now if those people who "didn't say it right" were Catholics?
Quite possibly. The version we recited together in church ended at "deliver us from evil" and didn't continue on with "for thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory now and forever" before the "amen"; I think I've only heard the longer version recited in Protestant services by the congregation. Something like the doxology was said by the priest, though.
Now that you mention it, I do remember instances where people would end the prayer early. You don't tend to notice this as much as different words, because it doesn't screw up the cadence. In addition the rest of the prayer is carried on by enough others to cover for the lost voices. When this would happen, I just sort of assumed people decided to stop talking because they said enough of the important part, or they just got tired of praying.