This video seemed appropriate for good Friday, sorry for not posting it sooner but I was out sinning, Might as well give Jesus something to die for
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pl1AIbUois
Dont worry today is passover
Yes, it's a very pointless sacrifice, as all blood sacrifices are. Throughout the Old Testament, lambs are always being slaughtered as a form of atonement. Some goat herder must have come up with the idea, and it caught on. It was common in other religions. So once again Christianity hijacked the concept of blood sacrifice and included it as it's own, with the twist that no more blood sacrifices would be necessary since God was sacrificing a clone of himself, which turns out not to be a sacrifice, because the clone came back to life, and is now alive and well at some undisclosed location. Supposedly it's some kind of ultimate sacrifice, because God is the lamb being led to slaughter. But of course it turns out to be a fake. How God would have the audacity to call this a sacrifice, when nothing was permanently lost, or even killed, is a mystery.
Now why a blood sacrifice wipes a slate of sin clean is another mystery. Oops, I masturbated; I'll kill the family dog and square things with whatever god. The dog should be killed anyway, because I caught him licking himself. Dog goes to Hell; I am saved. It makes sense, no?
oh yes,,going from a stinky goat herder to a god….most definitely a sacrifice
I couldn't make it through that video.
I don't understand what it means that Jesus died for our sins.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on April 05, 2015, 02:56:52 AM
I couldn't make it through that video.
I don't understand what it means that Jesus died for our sins.
Neither do Christians, or they think they do, but their disturbed sense of morality doesn't gel between what a real crucifixion would be like, and their peppered version of one.
There isn't any real reason for Jesus "sacrifice " . Adam and Eve never existed. So the original sin never happened. Also if jesus was resurrected , jesus never lose anything. He has his life back and jesus has EVERYTHING in heaven. Also Jesus actual death on the cross is doubtful. Jesus was hung on the cross for only 3 hours. And cruxifiction victims lasted many hours on the cross. Sometimes the victims lasted several days on the cross. Pilate was surprised that jesus "died" so quickly. Cruxifiction victims can survived the cruxifiction if they are taken down from the cross in a few hours and the wounds be healed.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on April 05, 2015, 02:56:52 AM
I couldn't make it through that video.
I don't understand what it means that Jesus died for our sins.
I thought it was about his being crucified making all the sins of the people go away. Which also makes a ton of sense. I think that was the deal, anyway.
MagetheEntertainer, your best video yet in my opinion. Solitary
He is Risen!
--- The Pilsbury Doughboy
We had a member a number of years ago whose avatar had that, a picture of the doughboy and the caption.
In the spirit of Easter I searched online for what it means that Jesus died for our sins. I found this:
QuoteQuestion: "What does it mean that Jesus died for our sins?"
Answer: Simply put, without Jesus’ death on the cross for our sins, no one would have eternal life. Jesus Himself said, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me†(John 14:6). In this statement, Jesus declares the reason for His birth, death, and resurrectionâ€"to provide the way to heaven for sinful mankind, who could never get there on their own.
When God created Adam and Eve, they were perfect in every way and lived in a virtual paradise, the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:15). God created man in His image, meaning they also had the freedom to make decisions and choices of their own free will. Genesis 3 goes on to describe how Adam and Eve succumbed to Satan’s temptations and lies. In doing so, they disobeyed the will of God by eating of the tree of knowledge from which they were forbidden: “And the LORD God commanded the man, ‘You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die’†(Genesis 2:16-17). This was the first sin committed by man, and, as a result, all mankind is subject to both physical and eternal death by virtue of our sinful nature inherited from Adam.
God declared that all who sin will die, both physically and spiritually. This is the fate of all mankind. But God, in His grace and mercy, provided a way out of this dilemma, the shed blood of His perfect Son on the cross. God declared that “without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness†(Hebrews 9:22), but through the shedding of blood, redemption is provided. The Law of Moses provided a way for the people to be considered “sinless†or “right†in God’s eyesâ€"the offering of animals sacrificed for every sin they committed. These sacrifices were only temporary, though, and were really a foreshadowing of the perfect, once-for-all sacrifice of Christ on the cross (Hebrews 10:10).
This is why Jesus came and why He died, to become the ultimate and final sacrifice, the perfect (without blemish) sacrifice for our sins (Colossians 1:22; 1 Peter 1:19). Through Him, the promise of life eternal with God becomes effective through faith to those who believe in Jesus. “So that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe†(Galatians 3:22). These two words, faith and believing, are critical to our salvation. It is through our believing in the shed blood of Christ for our sins that we receive eternal life. “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faithâ€"and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of Godâ€"not by works, so that no one can boast†(Ephesians 2:8â€"9).
Now I know why I have never understood-- because it makes no sense whatsoever.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on April 06, 2015, 05:47:01 AM
Now I know why I have never understood-- because it makes no sense whatsoever.
I've been wondering about that piece of Christian dogma since I was six. For all the hype about religion answering the "Why?" questions, I don't think this is adequately answered. I suppose in the context of the times, no one needed to ask why. They simply knew it because they knew it.
Quote from: SGOS on April 04, 2015, 07:49:29 PMSome goat herder must have come up with the idea, and it caught on.
The priest thought that one up. "Sacrifice a lamb to God! And donate some mint jelly at the same time. We'll take care of the cleaning up, just leave that tasty carcass there."
One of the main things that caused me to turn away from Christianity back 4 years ago, was that if Genesis is not literal, if we are to approach it as a metaphor...then, what happens to ''original sin?'' The OT is supposed to be a foreshadowing of the NT...and in Genesis, original sin befalls mankind because of the Adam and Eve 'failure.' So...Jesus died for a metaphor? If that story is a metaphor (it didn't happen at all, but let's pretend we believe it as a moral metaphor)...then Jesus died for a metaphor.
Many other things culminated for me to leave the faith, but that was a biggie lol
A pointless myth
Quote from: antediluvian on April 09, 2015, 11:42:39 PM
A pointless myth
If only you were right. There is a point--probably many of them, to this myth. That it is a myth is one of them. If the people who tout this as being literal see that you also accept it as literal, then they know they have hooked you and that you no longer are in control of your own mind. These sorts of people 'believe' it so, so reasoning no longer applies. They see it as the lifting of the scales from one's eyes, the seeing of Truth, and acknowledging that the agents of Satan will try to change your mind by spreading blindness. Another point is that the blood sacrifice of the OT (which predates the OT, actually) is now being carried out by Jesus so that we no longer need to sacrifice real blood to god. That helps move people from their Jewishness into christianity. Christianity is at propaganda and taking an old story and remaking it into a 'new' for their own purposes. This is just another example. So, this myth serves a huge purpose in the christian religion; that it is clearly a myth and cannot be true matters not to the 'faithful'. In fact, because it cannot be true only make a 'believer' that much more in the shadow of god.
If the "virgin" Mary could be freed from her "original sin" (immaculate conception) then why couldn't we all be so freed? Did Jesus not die for her sin?
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 14, 2015, 04:47:57 PM
If the "virgin" Mary could be freed from her "original sin" (immaculate conception) then why couldn't we all be so freed? Did Jesus not die for her sin?
What the hell is wrong with you????!!! You are making sense.
Well, if one can't make love, he should at least make sense.
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 14, 2015, 06:46:15 PM
Well, if one can't make love, he should at least make sense.
Hmmmm.......how about both???
At the same time?! That's perverse!
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 14, 2015, 06:50:22 PM
At the same time?! That's perverse!
Wow! I guess you are right.
STOP TRYING TO USE LOGIC OR COMMON SENSE TO UNDERSTAND FUCKING IDIOTS!!
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