I hereby challenge any atheist to challenge me to a public one-on-one debate on this forum topic. Whoever gets the most votes between now and 7PM ET will be the one I debate, so you forum members can decided. People are allowed to observe, however I urge not to post in this thread while the debate is going on. However I recommend posting between now and then offering to debate, and pledging your vote on which candidate should debate the side of atheism.
Is anyone willing to challenge me one-on-one? I await the response patiently.
About?
The topics will be chosen after the debater, obviously though the general theme will be Christianity vs. Atheism.
I can have fun doing this, but please do realize any tactic you have used, such as trying to debunk science, or trying to co opt science, or "we own the patent on morality" have been done by people with other god claims too. I am not too much fun to debate for most because I treat all religions the same as being man made.
Great idea ! bryant vs the logical One . I want to see this debate. :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
And what is this meant to accomplish? Some pretentious sense of satisfaction?
Heres how it will go down. If someone did this in a one on one debate, nothing will change. You will deny all evidence thrown at you in your god babble, no matter what is presented, even if its indisputable, you will deny it as so, call things like no true Scotsman fallacy, or Ad Ignorantiam, or straw manning.
Ultimately there will be nothing gained, because you won't have won anything, as you already believe your beliefs are the only true factor in any debate. The people debating you don't have gained anything, because your not shift your opinion or grow from it.
I am curious though in what you think your achieve from this however.
Quote from: Munch on March 30, 2015, 04:50:37 PM
And what is this meant to accomplish? Some pretentious sense of satisfaction?
Heres how it will go down. If someone did this in a one on one debate, nothing will change. You will deny all evidence thrown at you in your god babble, no matter what is presented, even if its indisputable, you will deny it as so, call things like no true Scotsman fallacy, or Ad Ignorantiam, or straw manning.
Ultimately there will be nothing gained, because you won't have won anything, as you already believe your beliefs are the only true factor in any debate. The people debating you don't have gained anything, because your not shift your opinion or grow from it.
I am curious though in what you think your achieve from this however.
Funny how you seem to know all already, hmm? Despite being an atheist, you seem to possess psychic abilities!
Then again
of course[/] an atheist is never, ever wrong about anything, so why debate at all with the foolish Christian. Interesting how for someone who claims the other side is narrow-minded, you seem to have literally formulated what will happen in any argument with an opponent before such a thing occurs.
Quote from: Logical One on March 30, 2015, 02:56:30 PM
The topics will be chosen after the debater, obviously though the general theme will be Christianity vs. Atheism.
Do you mean you want to debate the existence of a christian god? You're going to have one hell of a time, first you have to prove the existence of a god then prove that god is specifically the christian god and not some other god. This isn't something for a debate format, present the peer reviewed scientific literature outlining the existence of a chirstian god or you loose. Bravo.
Quote from: Icarus on March 30, 2015, 06:22:41 PM
Do you mean you want to debate the existence of a christian god? You're going to have one hell of a time, first you have to prove the existence of a god then prove that god is specifically the christian god and not some other god. This isn't something for a debate format, present the peer reviewed scientific literature outlining the existence of a chirstian god or you loose. Bravo.
It must be nice to be able instantly dismiss a side because they can't back up your specific credentials. Shame I can't be that close-minded.
I wouldn't debate you for the same reason I don't play chess againt pigeons!
Quote from: Logical One on March 30, 2015, 06:32:10 PM
It must be nice to be able instantly dismiss a side because they can't back up your specific credentials. Shame I can't be that close-minded.
A version of the Dunning Kruger affect, that is what the logical one suffers from. He's so closed minded that he doesn't realise just how closed minded he is. Yet he wishes he could be more closed minded.....? So, you're slamming someone for being closed minded, but at the same time wishing you could be more like them? Is this how you will debate?
Lol This should be fun. Who wants to be the mediator? we can set it up in the formal debate section.
I should greatly prefer to see the topic settled first. Then it's time to look for a debate partner, and settle the ground rules.
Quote from: Logical One on March 30, 2015, 06:10:34 PM
Funny how you seem to know all already, hmm? Despite being an atheist, you seem to possess psychic abilities!
Then again of course[/] an atheist is never, ever wrong about anything, so why debate at all with the foolish Christian. Interesting how for someone who claims the other side is narrow-minded, you seem to have literally formulated what will happen in any argument with an opponent before such a thing occurs.
you guys called it psychic powers, we call it having intuition
I nominate Mr.O - he's got the patience for it. But I wouldn't expect anybody to do it, not knowing in advance the topic.
And 7pm est just passed.
I know where I've heard this before. This is like when G-man comes on the drunken peasants and demands TJ give him a rap battle, yet every single debate he's in, he resorts to ad hominem, ad populum and ad nauseum in every debate and claims he beat anyone he debates with.
Well, lets hope our own g-man here can provide more 'logical' material.
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Quote from: Logical One on March 30, 2015, 06:32:10 PM
It must be nice to be able instantly dismiss a side because they can't back up your specific credentials. Shame I can't be that close-minded.
You're as closed minded to the scientific method as I am to bullshit. Must be nice to think you're better than others because your imaginary friend says you are.
I'm game.
You can't even start a debate topic correctly, and you haven't even had to do any work. Not a good way to get out of the gate.
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on March 30, 2015, 07:05:38 PM
I nominate Mr.O - he's got the patience for it. But I wouldn't expect anybody to do it, not knowing in advance the topic.
You make me blush, Solomon :smiley:
It's not that I would mind debating OP. But the reason you and trsdf state are exactly the ones that kind of hold me back. The topic of an official debate should be clear in advance. Again, I wouldn't mind even like entering a debate with OP, but if Hijiri or Brian would rather have a go, they can have my vote. After all, that's just good entertainment.
I also nominate MR O or Hijiri, if any of them can be bothered....... :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Quote from: Logical One on March 30, 2015, 06:10:34 PM
Funny how you seem to know all already, hmm? Despite being an atheist, you seem to possess psychic abilities!
Then again of course[/] an atheist is never, ever wrong about anything, so why debate at all with the foolish Christian. Interesting how for someone who claims the other side is narrow-minded, you seem to have literally formulated what will happen in any argument with an opponent before such a thing occurs.
We don't personally know you no. But you are a fool if you think we have not been down this road for others.
How about the quick and simple? How about humans make up gods because they are egotistical and afraid of their own finite existence?
If you have argued it, so have others, so have other people with other god claims. I have been at this for 14 years. I have dealt with Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus and even a Rastafarian. It all amounts to the same thing, gap filling arguments from ignorance.
Now you stupidly call that closed minded. No, "closed minded" would be clinging to claims of Thor now that we know what really causes lightening. It was understandable that people made up gods in the past. Science knows better now and some simply don't want to grow up.
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :toilet:
this should be good
It's all in the topic. If the topic were Biblical infallibility or divine intervention, I would jump, but if it's epiphenominalism vs. dualism, count me out. Not my field of interest.
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on March 31, 2015, 08:40:20 AM
If the topic were Biblical infallibility or divine intervention, I would jump, but if it's epiphenominalism vs. dualism, count me out.
Exactly. This dumbass seems to think that we are all equally versed on everything.
"logical" one IF you want to debate someone, then state what you want to debate. THEN, if someone is interested in debating that subject they will agree. This crap about finding a person to debate first looks like nothing more than an attempt to stack the deck in your favor. It appears to be an attempt to find someone who does not know as much as you think you do about a certain subject and debate them on that subject. It smells of bullshit and I don't think that you would find too many people willing to step in it.
Quote from: Moralnihilist on March 31, 2015, 08:46:51 AM
Exactly. This dumbass seems to think that we are all equally versed on everything.
"logical" one IF you want to debate someone, then state what you want to debate. THEN, if someone is interested in debating that subject they will agree. This crap about finding a person to debate first looks like nothing more than an attempt to stack the deck in your favor. It appears to be an attempt to find someone who does not know as much as you think you do about a certain subject and debate them on that subject. It smells of bullshit and I don't think that you would find too many people willing to step in it.
Argggggg, how much of a comic book do you have to read before you realize it is a comic book? If you are an expert in Harry Potter what exactly are you an "expert in", and how long would it take for a non Harry Potter fan to debate you to realize you are selling fiction?
Before you get to word one of that comic book, the naked assertion is that an invisible magic man with a wand "poofed" this all into existence. How is the Christian "poof theory" any better than any other "my god did it" "poof theory".
It still amounts to Spiderman vs Batman.
Quote from: Brian37 on March 31, 2015, 08:56:42 AM
Argggggg, how much of a comic book do you have to read before you realize it is a comic book? If you are an expert in Harry Potter what exactly are you an "expert in", and how long would it take for a non Harry Potter fan to debate you to realize you are selling fiction?
Before you get to word one of that comic book, the naked assertion is that an invisible magic man with a wand "poofed" this all into existence. How is the Christian "poof theory" any better than any other "my god did it" "poof theory".
It still amounts to Spiderman vs Batman.
And Batman would totally win vs Spiderman.
I never said the OP's idea would work, as he is most likely going to spew the same bullshit that every other warrior for god that has come here has eventually. I simply called out them on the attempt to try to stack the deck in their favor.
Quote from: doorknob on March 31, 2015, 08:16:33 AM
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :toilet:
this should be good
I doubt it.
Quote from: SGOS on March 31, 2015, 09:32:56 AM
I doubt it.
Same here. More like lame and pointless with lots of long pauses.
I'm always curious about what motivates these occasional challenges. Is there going to be a new fallacy that we haven't heard before?
As one who has not been a witness to one of these things, it will be fun.
But at this point, a topic would be fun, too.
Quote from: Green Bottle on March 31, 2015, 06:54:23 AM
I also nominate MR O or Hijiri, if any of them can be bothered....... :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Like I said, I'm game. :)
Quote from: Logical One on March 30, 2015, 06:10:34 PM
Funny how you seem to know all already, hmm? Despite being an atheist, you seem to possess psychic abilities!
Then again of course[/] an atheist is never, ever wrong about anything, so why debate at all with the foolish Christian. Interesting how for someone who claims the other side is narrow-minded, you seem to have literally formulated what will happen in any argument with an opponent before such a thing occurs.
We know how this will go because you are not the first one here to debate the topic, and this is what happens every time. It's easy to think you win debates by using slick maneuvers like you do, but extremely hard to find the truth. Here is an example: If an atheists goes in to a biker bar and sees bikers with I love Jesus tattoo, a cross tattoo, or the virgin Mary tattoo, and says Jesus is a myth and so is God---who do you think wins the debate when the bikers kick his ass by using an Argumentum Ad Baculum fallacy in logic? Solitary
Quote from: Logical One on March 30, 2015, 06:32:10 PM
It must be nice to be able instantly dismiss a side because they can't back up your specific credentials. Shame I can't be that close-minded.
Close minded, the kettle calling the frying pan black? We aren't close minded like you are, we just aren't so open minded our brains have fallen out. Solitary
It's all gone quiet in the fundie corner....
Quote from: Logical One on March 30, 2015, 02:42:10 PM
I hereby challenge any atheist to challenge me to a public one-on-one debate on this forum topic. Whoever gets the most votes between now and 7PM ET will be the one I debate, so you forum members can decided. People are allowed to observe, however I urge not to post in this thread while the debate is going on. However I recommend posting between now and then offering to debate, and pledging your vote on which candidate should debate the side of atheism.
Is anyone willing to challenge me one-on-one? I await the response patiently.
I can't help but notice that you never said what 'this forum topic' is.
Quote from: Logical One on March 30, 2015, 06:10:34 PM
Funny how you seem to know all already, hmm? Despite being an atheist, you seem to possess psychic abilities!
It doesn't take any special talent to predict how the latest in a long line of debates on the same topic will go.
Quote from: Logical One on March 30, 2015, 06:10:34 PM
Then again of course[/] an atheist is never, ever wrong about anything, so why debate at all with the foolish Christian.
At this point, you are abusing sarcasm.
Quote from: Logical One on March 30, 2015, 06:10:34 PM
Interesting how for someone who claims the other side is narrow-minded, you seem to have literally formulated what will happen in any argument with an opponent before such a thing occurs.
Maybe you can give some tiny sign that with you, it will finally be different?
He seems to have buggered off. Maybe his mission to save us failed in the eyes of gawd
Quote from: Munch on April 01, 2015, 02:25:45 PM
He seems to have buggered off. Maybe his mission to save us failed in the eyes of gawd
I suspect he'll be back. Hijiri accepted, so if he doesn't take up the challenge he will be mocked. But then, he will be mocked anyway, so it doesn't matter.
https://youtube.com/index?hl=en-GB&gl=GB&rdm=zrezqtm&layout=mobile&client=mv-google#/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M
Logical One, I'll even be nice and let you pick whichever topic you want to shout at my face the most. What will it be? The existence of God? Morality? Evolution? The Big Bang? My personal favorite is the Bible's validity.
I think he g-man'd out of here. Maybe you should have gotten a rap battle ready for him.
Quote from: Munch on April 01, 2015, 09:08:25 PM
I think he g-man'd out of here. Maybe you should have gotten a rap battle ready for him.
I got your rap battle right here!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcrQvoCzs80
Christianity is based on the belief in a theistic (omnimax) God, which cannot logically exist - and therefore does not, in fact, exist. Since a theistic God does not exist, then Christianity is false, QED.
No debate needed, but it might be fun to watch.
Quote from: Logical One on March 30, 2015, 02:42:10 PM
Is anyone willing to challenge me one-on-one? I await the response patiently.
May you die of neglect patiently.
:pray: I'm so disappointed, I even prayed it would take place. Another one bites the dust! :rotflmao: Solitary
Stromboli yet holds out hope that this one is merely boning up on his bible prior to facing a challenge.
Quote from: stromboli on April 03, 2015, 01:28:58 PM
Stromboli yet holds out hope that this one is merely boning up on his bible prior to facing a challenge.
Maybe thats the reason why, only now that he's actually read the bible, instead of having it preached to him by a priest, he's starting to realize just how awful a book it really is.
Maybe he's having his gall bladder removed. No, wait; They do that in one day now.
I accept your challenge. Since you have not stated a debate topic, I will propose one. "Led Zeppelin is the greatest band ever." I will of course be taking the affirmative position.
Quote from: pato15 on April 04, 2015, 02:56:33 AM
I accept your challenge. Since you have not stated a debate topic, I will propose one. "Led Zeppelin is the greatest band ever." I will of course be taking the affirmative position.
Since my grandson's middle name is Zeppelin, you win!
Quote from: pato15 on April 04, 2015, 02:56:33 AM
I accept your challenge. Since you have not stated a debate topic, I will propose one. "Led Zeppelin is the greatest band ever." I will of course be taking the affirmative position.
Black Sabbath had better musicians, invented a new genre, and more importantly didn't steal from anybody.
Actually, Iron Butterfly and Steppenwolf were both better. Why??? Because I say so!
Quote from: Moralnihilist on April 04, 2015, 10:17:01 AM
Black Sabbath had better musicians, invented a new genre, and more importantly didn't steal from anybody.
Adds support to Black Sabbath. They opened a lot of doors for future musicians.
Oops! Looks like I opened a Pandora's box with the Zeppelin comment! The truth is, I would be hard pressed to defend them as the best ever, although they are probably my personal favorite.
Better than Twisted Sister? What heresy is this, goddammit?!! :wall:
:wink:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEEzbFxEbB8
Quote from: pato15 on April 04, 2015, 02:56:33 AM
I accept your challenge. Since you have not stated a debate topic, I will propose one. "Led Zeppelin is the greatest band ever." I will of course be taking the affirmative position.
I don't think I have ever seen a topic get this far off track from a religious theme. :super:
There are so many great bands it is hard to pick the best. As much as I like the Runaways for their breakthrough for other girl bands, and the Black hearts for raw Punk, and Rock n Roll along with the Rolling Stones. I agree that Led Zeppelin may be at the top. As a musician I would pick Queen, Santana's old music, and Fleetwood Mac. Over all I would agree with Led Zeppelin for Rock. Solitary
Quote from: pato15 on April 04, 2015, 02:56:33 AM
I accept your challenge. Since you have not stated a debate topic, I will propose one. "Led Zeppelin is the greatest band ever." I will of course be taking the affirmative position.
Spoken like someone who's never heard of Budgie.
I am morally obligated to put in a good word for the Grateful Dead and Frank Zappa here. Strangely, both times I saw Zappa in concert was within about a month of seeing the Dead in concert...
Admittedly, I do have the Apostrophe/Overnite Sensation album by Frank Zappa. It was one of my dad's favourite albums, so that made for an interesting childhood.
Quote from: Aletheia on April 04, 2015, 04:13:54 PM
Admittedly, I do have the Apostrophe/Overnite Sensation album by Frank Zappa. It was one of my dad's favourite albums, so that made for an interesting childhood.
I got turned on to Frank Zappa by my mom of all people, back in the mid-70s, about the same time I got turned on to the Firesign Theater. In fact, it was
Apostrophe'. Though I think the
Joe's Garage set is probably my favorite, closely followed by
Just Another Band from L.A..
Wow, old people. Firesign Theater? "Eat it! Eat it raw! Raw raw raw!" Principle jumps up "That's the spirit!" Been there. Zappa not so much. Saw The Dead in concert at the Boston Music Hall while in the Navy. Much drugs was consumed..... girlfriend was a buxom redhead who got mightily high and ran down and on to the stage, fought her way past security and kissed Jerry Garcia on the mouth. Then got chucked off the stage. Ah, the good old days.....
Vampirella, Head Comix by R. Crumb, all that. Yeah I remember. Boston is an awesome town. :super:
Where did he go? I wanted to see his awesome debating skills.
Quote from: trdsf on April 04, 2015, 06:24:59 PM
I got turned on to Frank Zappa by my mom of all people, back in the mid-70s, about the same time I got turned on to the Firesign Theater. In fact, it was Apostrophe'. Though I think the Joe's Garage set is probably my favorite, closely followed by Just Another Band from L.A..
I got
Joe's Garage, Sheikh Yerbouti, Broadway The Hard Way and
The Man From Utopia. All brilliant! :mrgreen:
:embarrassed: I liked this band that I played in when I was 15 years old. https://youtu.be/cHr4XQ9SEcg
This clown hasn't been on in 5 days. Did he bail from his "challenge"?
Quote from: Solitary on April 05, 2015, 01:18:13 PM
:embarrassed: I liked this band that I played in when I was 15 years old. https://youtu.be/cHr4XQ9SEcg
Oh, I love me some Gene Krupa. Always been a Benny Goodman fan; stumbling across the recording of the '38 Carnegie Hall concert was a life-altering moment.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on April 05, 2015, 01:22:55 PM
This clown hasn't been on in 5 days. Did he bail from his "challenge"?
Buckled under pressure.
It's a tough row to hoe.
We understand,,,,
No hard feelings.
PICK ME! PICK ME! OSCAR MIKE GOLF! OSCAR MIKE GOLF!
lima oscar lima.... :dance:
Now the challenge is to figure out when OP will return to do the challenge. Oohhhh...I'm breathless with anticipation.
^_^