That when a Christian does something bad, Atheists will say that Christianity justifies it because of some passage in the Bible, yet when a Christian does something good, charitable, life-saving for someone, all of sudden the Bible is irrelevant to their decision despite numerous Bible passages supporting what they did?
Interesting, isn't it?
Christians=75- 80% of the population. Atheists= 5-10% of the population.
Christians are expected to do good, because their religions supposedly tells them to. I was a Christian for 16 years after leaving Mormonism. I used to be a youth group leader, I prepared turkey dinners on Thanksgiving for shut ins, I volunteered at the local Christian homeless shelter.
Nobody is thanking them, nor the many atheists-now including me- who do good works on a daily basis. Those who are being attacked are being attacked because what they do- denying gays their rights, discriminating against others of race etc. is done not only personally but institutionally as well. An entire organization can do bad things. Because they represent such a large majority, the harm they do is far greater than that of the smaller group.
And much that you do is written in your scriptures. The 10 commandments doesn't rule out rape and slavery. Remember the Civil War? The entire war was fought over slavery by two sides that were both white, both of European descent, spoke the same language and read the same holy book and worshiped the same god. But one side of believers had slaves the other didn't- and both sides found justification in their holy books.
The Bible and Koran-and the Mormon doctrine and covenants- all contains scriptures that justify harmful behavior. Against gays, against women, against people of other religions.
Atheists don't have a holy book. Our behavior is based on our own morality, our own common understanding of how people should behave. We call people to task for their bad behavior the same way they do us. Nobody is printing stories about just people doing good things because we are expected to as humans.
Depends if they do something according to the Bible or not.
Regardless, people do stuff, good or bad, if it is in some so-called holy text or not. But justification for evil deeds, that requires a suspension of your otherwise good nature and adherence to the so-called holy texts.
Quote from: Logical One on March 29, 2015, 10:51:43 AM
That when a Christian does something bad, Atheists will say that Christianity justifies it because of some passage in the Bible, yet when a Christian does something good, charitable, life-saving for someone, all of sudden the Bible is irrelevant to their decision despite numerous Bible passages supporting what they did?
Interesting, isn't it?
Maybe because in a society of "civilized" people that doing nice, good and charitable things is somewhat expected from your neighbors and fellows. Doing the bad is not so expected and therefore gathers a more thorough look-see don't you think? If you only do good because your religion tells you to, does that make you better or worse than a person who does good because HE wants to? See the big diffy?
Quote from: Logical One on March 29, 2015, 10:51:43 AM
That when a Christian does something bad, Atheists will say that Christianity justifies it because of some passage in the Bible?
Just leave. And take your straw men with you.
Quote from: Logical One on March 29, 2015, 10:51:43 AMThat when a Christian does something bad, Atheists will say that Christianity justifies it because of some passage in the Bible, yet when a Christian does something good, charitable, life-saving for someone, all of sudden the Bible is irrelevant to their decision despite numerous Bible passages supporting what they did? Interesting, isn't it?
Meanwhile, in reality, it's typically the other way around. God/religion is responsible for all the good stuff, but all the horrible stuff has nothing whatsoever to do with religion.
When Christians force their bigotry, discrimination, and oppression on everyone else, they are the ones who try and justify it with their Bible. Atheists think the Bible is bullshit. As for doing something good, just do something good and pat your own back. Do you expect a fucking medal?
How about instead of making more wild accusations, you answer some of the points brought up in your other threads?
Isn't it interesting that this idiot has made several posts regarding the same bullshit? Atheists are big meanies and christians are the poor abused minority.
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Quote from: Moralnihilist on March 29, 2015, 11:56:37 AM
Isn't it interesting that this idiot has made several posts regarding the same bullshit? Atheists are big meanies and christians are the poor abused minority.
And that's how movies like gods not dead get made, with showing the poor innocent Christian or Catholic boy vs the big evil atheist teacher.
Btw logical one (name still makes me laugh), you are trying to push the idea the good deeds can only be done under faith and belief. If someone saves a man's life, his faith or lack of faith doesn't matter for shit, it's the fact a man saved another man's life. And if it was done to try a prove faith saves lives, you are putting your make believe fantasy ahead of another man's life. That's pretty fucked up.
The OP fails to realize that atheists understand their opponents - many atheists are former Christians. However, the OP has yet to take into consideration the atheist's position. Lack of insight into your opponent's position means your entire argument will never address the core issue. Ignorance will lend itself to straw man fallacies. Very lazy and highly illogical way of presenting an argument or debate. The OP has demonstrated intellectual laziness, which cannot be respected under any circumstance.
If we are expected to engage in discussion with the OP, then the OP could at least research the atheist position without bias - particularly confirmation bias. To not do so means nobody learns anything new and we're just wasting effort with mindless dialogue.
Quote from: Logical One on March 29, 2015, 10:51:43 AM
That when a Christian does something bad, Atheists will say that Christianity justifies it because of some passage in the Bible, yet when a Christian does something good, charitable, life-saving for someone, all of sudden the Bible is irrelevant to their decision despite numerous Bible passages supporting what they did?
Interesting, isn't it?
You don't get it do you? There are Christians that are evil and use the bible to justify it, and some Christians seem to think that doesn't matter because they think the good they do out ways evil to placate their God so they are saved. Are you so stupid you can't see that people "DO" use the bible to justify what they do, both good and bad, and that is a bad thing if the only reason they do good is because they believe in God, which means without your God you wouldn't do good. People don't criticize good deeds because it isn't problematic whether from the bible or not, but they do criticize people that use the bible to do evil and then use it to justify what they do. What you have done since being here is using slick maneuvers to win arguments based on fallacies in logic at any cost, including what the truth is, thinking you are right and we are wrong. You are still wrong with your neuroses and lack of good and critical reasoning skills, along with your unbelievable rationalization which you think is being logical because it requires thinking. Pragmatism works to make people feel good, but it doesn't reveal the truth, accept when it doesn't work. It is quite obvious from 6,000+ years of history that religion only works to make people feel good about themselves even if they are wrong, which makes it an evil enterprise. Solitary
agreed former christian here and I can absolutely tell you when I was a christian all of this went in one ear and out the other.
Quote from: Logical One on March 29, 2015, 10:51:43 AM
That when a Christian does something bad, Atheists will say that Christianity justifies it because of some passage in the Bible, yet when a Christian does something good, charitable, life-saving for someone, all of sudden the Bible is irrelevant to their decision despite numerous Bible passages supporting what they did?
Interesting, isn't it?
Isn't It interesting that when something bad happens (from accidents to natural disasters), Christians blame humans, but when something good happens (like a doctor saving a patient or a child with cancer going into remission), it is all God doing it, and forget the humans that ACTUALLY helped?
Interesting isn't it?
Quote from: Logical One on March 29, 2015, 10:51:43 AM
That when a Christian does something bad, Atheists will say that Christianity justifies it because of some passage in the Bible, yet when a Christian does something good, charitable, life-saving for someone, all of sudden the Bible is irrelevant to their decision despite numerous Bible passages supporting what they did?
Interesting, isn't it?
How often do you crap and fart?
Quote from: Logical One on March 29, 2015, 10:51:43 AM
That when a Christian does something bad, Atheists will say that Christianity justifies it because of some passage in the Bible, yet when a Christian does something good, charitable, life-saving for someone, all of sudden the Bible is irrelevant to their decision despite numerous Bible passages supporting what they did?
Interesting, isn't it?
Well, really think about what you wrote here, and no, it's not interesting at all. First scenario: Christians use a book to justify bigotry and shitty actions. Atheists find their hiding behind the Bible reprehensible.
Scenario 2: Atheists think the Bible is irrelevant. These are not conflicting notions.
:lol: I'm sorry, but every time I see Logical One I can't keep from laughing from the irony of it. :rotflmao: :kidra: Solitary
Quote from: Logical One on March 29, 2015, 10:51:43 AM
That when a Christian does something bad, Atheists will say that Christianity justifies it because of some passage in the Bible, yet when a Christian does something good, charitable, life-saving for someone, all of sudden the Bible is irrelevant to their decision despite numerous Bible passages supporting what they did?
Interesting, isn't it?
That's a valid point to a degree.
The idea that religious people do bad things "solely because of their religion" I think is false - I think that human nature plays a bigger role in it than being a member of the right/wrong religion.
But on the same note, I don't think that being influenced by the bad aspects of religions helps in any way.
Overall the good morals in the Bible are fairly simplistic and definitely not exclusive to it (ex. "don't kill people") - it was written by an ancient tribal culture and these were fairly basic and universal tribal morals. And on the flip side there is a lot of primitive morality in the Bible which I think is harmful and immoral
The Bible for example is very against individual freedom, and all about blind submission to authority (God) - the ideal govt which God established was also a totalitarian theocracy (the 1st Amendment of the Constitution would be heretical, since it contradicts the 1st Commandment by allowing people to worship other gods freely).
I am really thinking of a twofer...
Quote from: aitm on March 29, 2015, 04:41:50 PM
I am really thinking of a twofer...
Is that like a threesome?
Kinda but I only use one hammer
Quote from: Moralnihilist on March 29, 2015, 11:56:37 AM
Isn't it interesting that this idiot has made several posts regarding the same bullshit? Atheists are big meanies and christians are the poor abused minority.
Hold on here, it depends where in the world those Christians live. In Iraq or Turkey they do have a harder time. In the west they are merely being fucking crybabies.
Quote from: Brian37 on March 29, 2015, 05:46:56 PM
Hold on here, it depends where in the world those Christians live. In Iraq or Turkey they do have a harder time. In the west they are merely being fucking crybabies.
Well its the same as feminism, western feminazis screaming about games and tv shows and men not grovelling at their feet, they don't give a shit about the actual suffering of women in the middle east.
Same can be applied to this, instead of christians in the western world doing more to help their own lot as they suffer and die in the middle east and eastern regions, they are more concerned with taking the rights of gays and atheists and liberals away and trying to make a plastic society of barbie and ken dream homes.
Is that seriously what you think of feminists, Munch?
Quote from: aitm on March 29, 2015, 05:03:54 PM
Kinda but I only use one hammer
Croquet mallet slam. Be my guest.
Quote from: Logical One on March 29, 2015, 10:51:43 AM
That when a Christian does something bad, Atheists will say that Christianity justifies it because of some passage in the Bible, yet when a Christian does something good, charitable, life-saving for someone, all of sudden the Bible is irrelevant to their decision despite numerous Bible passages supporting what they did?
Interesting, isn't it?
Atheists are approximately 10% of the US population.
Atheists are approximately 0.2% of the US prison population.
Do the math
Quote from: Mermaid on March 29, 2015, 08:30:41 PM
Is that seriously what you think of feminists, Munch?
Feminazis', yes, and honestly I have no problem with those calling themselves feminists if they actually are in it for equal rights, but I don't ignore the insane lunatics also calling themselves feminists who want to crush mens balls any chance they get.
Quote from: Munch on March 29, 2015, 08:51:37 PM
Feminazis', yes, and honestly I have no problem with those calling themselves feminists if they actually are in it for equal rights, but I don't ignore the insane lunatics also calling themselves feminists who want to crush mens balls any chance they get.
:axe: :popcorn:
Quote from: Aroura33 on March 29, 2015, 01:01:34 PM
Isn't It interesting that when something bad happens (from accidents to natural disasters), Christians blame humans, but when something good happens (like a doctor saving a patient or a child with cancer going into remission), it is all God doing it, and forget the humans that ACTUALLY helped?
Interesting isn't it?
Or shrug it off as "Well, it's god's will." If so, why is it okay to worship an entity who lashes out randomly, including at people who are following "his" rules, with neither explanation nor warning? A fellow human who did that we would call a sociopath, and lock him up for the safety of the community.
It all comes down to humans wanting to feel as though they're the center of it all -- so even when bad things happen, it means their god is paying special attention to them. Reminds me of people who stay with abusive partners because they just can't handle being alone, even briefly.
I tend to focus on behavior, not motivation. Whether people want to help other people because their religion instructs them or because they get a huge tax break and media attention means little to me.
Quote from: trdsf on March 29, 2015, 11:15:39 PM
Reminds me of people who stay with abusive partners because they just can't handle being alone, even briefly.
Like this.
Quote from: Munch on March 29, 2015, 08:51:37 PM
Feminazis', yes, and honestly I have no problem with those calling themselves feminists if they actually are in it for equal rights, but I don't ignore the insane lunatics also calling themselves feminists who want to crush mens balls any chance they get.
Sometimes I wonder if the more overly zealous feminists who push things to the extreme forget that some men are gay? Sexual orientation can have an effect on gender roles. Besides, if feminists are looking for an ally, what better than the gay community who is undergoing their own civil rights movement?
Quote from: Aletheia on March 30, 2015, 05:38:36 PM
Sometimes I wonder if the more overly zealous feminists who push things to the extreme forget that some men are gay? Sexual orientation can have an effect on gender roles. Besides, if feminists are looking for an ally, what better than the gay community who is undergoing their own civil rights movement?
Wondered that myself. I'm all for champion the rights of minorities who are an oppressed group, I'll even defend Christians in the middle east who are being slaughtered there. And I'm all for the rights of women equal to men, as it should be. As a gay guy though, seeing morons like anita sarkeesian or tracy byrnes who can only ever see one side of any argument, or these extremist feminazis who want to put out video of them crushing mens balls, I just want to kick them in the vag, seen as how balls my kinda my thing.
Quote from: SGOS on March 29, 2015, 11:15:53 AM
Just leave. And take your straw men with you.
I too thought that resembled the Scarecrow from Oz.
Quote from: Mermaid on March 29, 2015, 04:48:13 PM
Is that like a threesome?
I think being in a quad is even more exciting.