Calls it the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/indiana_committee_passes_anti_gay_religious_freedom_license_to_discriminate_bill (http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/indiana_committee_passes_anti_gay_religious_freedom_license_to_discriminate_bill)
My religious beliefs tell me I shouldn't kiss Christian's asses. Does that mean I can refuse to let religious zealots in my hypothetical business in Indiana?
These freedom to discriminate laws seem to be catching on rapidly. Will this become the new face of America? Will people flock to the US where their right to discriminate is protected by law? It seems like real nutball stuff, but Hell, who knows.
It just carries on to showing the real monster behind the makeup. They now need to ask for the right to be bigots.
I seem to remember little things like wars fought against such matters in the early to mid 20th century. Or that little thing about the chocolate people no longer being called slaves.
Oh but dat don matter, cause history don teach us lessons right?
bigots bigotry bigoted men
doing it once then over again
In Indiana don't be gay
pick right up and move away
Come to Utah where its grand
gay rights here the talk of the land
sad to say if you do it then
You'll have to move all over again
Equality? Kiss my ass
going to have to give it a pass
Sorry, you got left in the lurch
by your friends in the Mormon church
Colorado? That's OK
you can stay if you're gay
Up to the ski slopes! Please proceed!
along the way, toke some weed!
Although the real estate's kinda pricey
Enjoy some Tex mex food that's spicy
I'd recommend you settle here
With lots of weed and Fat Tire beer!!!!!!!!!!
So, according to this proposal, because I'm atheist I don't have to treat Christians when they come into the emergency department because I don't agree with their immoral lifestyle. Unlike gays, Christians choose their lifestyle and could change if they wanted to. These people should be careful what they wish for.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 20, 2015, 10:48:11 AM
So, according to this proposal, because I'm atheist I don't have to treat Christians when they come into the emergency department because I don't agree with their immoral lifestyle. Unlike gays, Christians choose their lifestyle and could change if they wanted to. These people should be careful what they wish for.
You're assuming it will be equally and justly applied. You haven't been to Indiana.
Quote from: stromboli on March 20, 2015, 10:18:56 AM
bigots bigotry bigoted men
doing it once then over again
In Indiana don't be gay
pick right up and move away
Come to Utah where its grand
gay rights here the talk of the land
sad to say if you do it then
You'll have to move all over again
Equality? Kiss my ass
going to have to give it a pass
Sorry, you got left in the lurch
by your friends in the Mormon church
Colorado? That's OK
you can stay if you're gay
Up to the ski slopes! Please proceed!
along the way, toke some weed!
Although the real estate's kinda pricey
Enjoy some Tex mex food that's spicy
I'd recommend you settle here
With lots of weed and Fat Tire beer!!!!!!!!!!
And you said you can't write poetry. That was great! Solitary
Thanks, but its not poetry. It's just jingles.
You are being too modest!
These right-wing bastards are waging political Jihad on our liberty, and in their convoluted thought process calling it freedom. It makes me furious. I'm not gay, but I often find myself in arguments with other democrats about the importance of protecting minority rights. Does anybody have a shred of fucking common sense these days? I sincerely hope this backfires.
By the way, I live in Indiana.
Michigan's trying to do the same thing. And don't you just love the epic levels of spin in the way they name these things? A more accurate name for the bill is the "Please Let Me Keep Being A Narrow-Minded Bigot Because My Invisible Friend Says So Act", but that doesn't sell well.
Right wing backlash from victories in gay marriage. Probably more lawsuits headed the Supremes way eventually. The idiocy is that nobody apparently considers that denial of services or rights to a specific group that is singled out by law is unconstitutional and such laws have been struck down in the past. Guess they got lots of money to spend on lawsuits.
Quote from: stromboli on March 20, 2015, 02:37:14 PM
Right wing backlash from victories in gay marriage. Probably more lawsuits headed the Supremes way eventually. The idiocy is that nobody apparently considers that denial of services or rights to a specific group that is singled out by law is unconstitutional and such laws have been struck down in the past. Guess they got lots of money to spend on lawsuits.
"nobody apparently considers" There you go. They have Leopard's Disease, multiple blind spots. If they don't like something a spot appears. If they think something will hinder their personal obsessive goals, a spot appears. Everybody has at least a touch of this disease, it's endemic in being a human. But some folks are like anti-vaxxers, damned spots everywhere.
To me the thing seems to be a mass scapegoating. http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/right-wing-activist-flee-america-gay-marriage-causes-god-destroy-us Every problem, from economic woes to tornadoes, is blamed on theses people, and what they do in the bedroom.
It's a distant early warning to the rest of us: you could be next!
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on March 22, 2015, 08:10:15 AM
To me the thing seems to be a mass scapegoating. http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/right-wing-activist-flee-america-gay-marriage-causes-god-destroy-us Every problem, from economic woes to tornadoes, is blamed on theses people, and what they do in the bedroom.
It's a distant early warning to the rest of us: you could be next!
I just love this part of that link:
QuoteThe two Religious Right activists agreed that once the Supreme Court strikes down bans on same-sex marriage, God will unleash His wrath upon America in the form of an “old fashioned paddling.â€
Why do I suspect that has more to do with that nutjob's personal kinks than it does any divine revelation?
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on March 22, 2015, 08:10:15 AM
To me the thing seems to be a mass scapegoating. http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/right-wing-activist-flee-america-gay-marriage-causes-god-destroy-us Every problem, from economic woes to tornadoes, is blamed on theses people, and what they do in the bedroom.
It's a distant early warning to the rest of us: you could be next!
It's the way witches were reported to operate in the past. Somebody's barn burns down, and it's blamed on the evil of some witch. We can pat ourselves on the back for not burning witches (or gays) today, but our thinking is every bit as flawed as those who believed in witchcraft 300 years ago. It's just a new scapegoat.
Clearly however, there is real evil afoot. It's all around us infecting our neighbors and leaders. It's the evil of ignorance and superstition that springs from religion.
It's not just the religious. I know some non-religious people who are still bigots.
This whole entwining of right-wing religion, with right-wing politics is fucking insane. What is the real motive behind it? It's fear. And demagogues love to stoke the fires of fear, if it gets people to vote for them.
This recent decision by the supreme court is stripping a whole host of freedoms from the many, in order to allow the few to enforce their own peculiar pseudo-religious dictates.
Religious freedom, my ass! So you can refuse to allow gays to shop in your grocery store now? Where does it end? With Jews? Blacks? Democrats? Atheists?
Just heard this song on the stereo, and thought I would share. Written by an atheist, here are the lyrics to a song that fit's the subject perfectly:
"Witch Hunt"
RUSH
The night is black
Without a moon
The air is thick and still
The vigilantes gather on
The lonely torch lit hill
Features distorted in the flickering light
The faces are twisted and grotesque
Silent and stern in the sweltering night
The mob moves like demons possessed
Quiet in conscience, calm in their right
Confident their ways are best
The righteous rise
With burning eyes
Of hatred and ill-will
Madmen fed on fear and lies
To beat and burn and kill
They say there are strangers who threaten us
In our immigrants and infidels
They say there is strangeness too dangerous
In our theaters and bookstore shelves
That those who know what's best for us
Must rise and save us from ourselves
Quick to judge
Quick to anger
Slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice
And fear walk hand in hand...
This is the best link I could find for listening, as there is no distracting video, just an ad to skip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MWzDKE4zbY
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on March 22, 2015, 08:58:13 AM
It's not just the religious. I know some non-religious people who are still bigots.
Point taken. Although, the loudest and most frequent cries come from the Bible thumpers. I'm sure there must be non-religious bigots, although in my experience, the only anti gays I personally know, are religious. Not to say that all my religious friends are anti-gay. In fact, most are not. But I can't imagine a gay marriage protest that isn't centered around signs warning that "God forbids it."
Edit: Oops, I forgot my cousin. He believes in God, but not enough that he ever goes to church. He's extremely anti-gay, but he doesn't call on God to justify it. It's because when he thinks about gay sex, he gets a sick feeling. I tell him to stop thinking about it.
Like the religious zealots who speak out against sex education and contraception, these people seem to think that marriage equality will somehow produce more gay people.
Quote from: Mermaid on March 22, 2015, 10:00:41 AM
Like the religious zealots who speak out against sex education and contraception, these people seem to think that marriage equality will somehow produce more gay people.
It's fear. Plain and simple. And these politicians are using the fears of the religious to further their positions. Keeping the scapegoat as the main focus of the discussion.
Fear and ignorance about actual reality and fact.
I wrote this poem about a year ago, after hearing our governor, Mike Pence, on the morning news proclaiming that he, "supports traditional marriage," while meaning he supports banning gay-marriage.
It's short and to the point. What do you think? Is it too insensitive? It's not meant to be, but i can see, reading it now, that it might come off that way. Just remember: it's an analogy.
"I Like Pizza"
http://www.solomonzorn.com/i-like-pizza.html
No, I don't think that's insensitive. Although, suppose it was? That wouldn't diminish the message.
Well, the Governor just signed it into law. Looks like Gen-Con, the 50,000 attendee gamer's convention, is threatening to take the convention to another state. Way to go, Pence.
I'd like to add an amendment: All religious exemption claims must be prominently displayed on the outside of the business, so that homosexuals, etc. don't have to be humiliated by being turned away inside the establishment.
This way we can all see who the bigots are, and avoid their establishments. Like the old fashioned "Whites Only" signs. "NO GAYS." I think it would work against those businesses pretty quickly.
Want to help? If you live in Indiana, go here to petition for a recall of this dumbass governor.
http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/recall-mike-pence.fb50?source=s.fb&r_by=12755395 (http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/recall-mike-pence.fb50?source=s.fb&r_by=12755395)
If you don't live in Indiana, you can still email the jerk and tell him what a dumbass, backwards thinking bigot he is, here:
http://www.in.gov/gov/2333.htm (http://www.in.gov/gov/2333.htm)
'Hey boys, there's some good news!' - Gustavo Nicholich
Quote from: Johan on March 26, 2015, 08:47:09 PM
'Hey boys, there's some good news!' - Gustavo Nicholich
I'm lost. I'm not seeing a connection. Googling Nicolich didn't offer any help.
Quote from: SGOS on March 27, 2015, 10:26:53 AM
I'm lost. I'm not seeing a connection. Googling Nicolich didn't offer any help.
He was 20 years old, a Stella Maris graduate and a member of the Old Christians rugby team. He was studying to become a veterinarian. He survived the plane crash uninjured but was killed in an avalanche on the mountain two weeks later.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=27338442
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on March 27, 2015, 12:02:49 PM
He was 20 years old, a Stella Maris graduate and a member of the Old Christians rugby team. He was studying to become a veterinarian. He survived the plane crash uninjured but was killed in an avalanche on the mountain two weeks later.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=27338442
Ahh, one of my google links did lead to a plane crash and an avalanche, but I just glanced at it.
Quote from: SGOS on March 27, 2015, 12:13:33 PM
Ahh, one of my google links did lead to a plane crash and an avalanche, but I just glanced at it.
Good news! You survived the plane crash. Bad news! You'll be dead in two weeks anyway. Better news! If global warming continues they might find your body some day. Otzi II, the Andes Option.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on March 27, 2015, 12:35:55 PM
Good news! You survived the plane crash. Bad news! You'll be dead in two weeks anyway. Better news! If global warming continues they might find your body some day. Otzi II, the Andes Option.
As a former survivalist, I have recipes.
Quote from: SGOS on March 27, 2015, 10:26:53 AM
I'm lost. I'm not seeing a connection. Googling Nicolich didn't offer any help.
Yeah, it was a very obscure reference. As they said, he was one of the survivors of that Andes crash in '72. Several died in the crash, more died in the days following. But because they crashed far off course, search parties were looking in the wrong places for them.
They were high in the mountains where nothing grows and nothing lives. They had no warm clothing and virtually no food. There was no way they'd be able to survive all winter without being rescued nor could they as a group, survive any kind of attempt to find their way to civilization. So when they heard the news via a small transistor radio that search being called off, they all knew they'd just been handed a death sentence.
And as they all sat contemplating their fate, Gustav stood up and announced 'this is great news'. They asked why and he said because now that they were no longer searching, they'd be able to walk out of the mountains and find help themselves. Which is exactly what they did. They choose the strongest, made a blanket from the planes insulation and sent them walking to find help.
When they heard the news that meant certain death for all of them, he was the one guy who stood up and said this is terrific because now we'll be able to get something done. Its a true you see adversity, I see opportunity type story and I've always thought it was inspiring.
And I think it applies well in this case. We need states to pass idiotic laws like this. Because only then will we get to a place where the federal government will be forced to make discrimination of homosexuals illegal everywhere. Plus I'm a fan of obscure references. Sue me.
Quote from: SGOS on March 27, 2015, 10:26:53 AM
I'm lost. I'm not seeing a connection. Googling Nicolich didn't offer any help.
For the record, I had to ask what the connection was, too, and I'm his wife--I should know how his brain thinks better than anyone.
Quote from: Johan on March 27, 2015, 06:08:56 PM
And I think it applies well in this case. We need states to pass idiotic laws like this. Because only then will we get to a place where the federal government will be forced to make discrimination of homosexuals illegal everywhere.
Thanks for the explanation. It was more than helpful. I agree that these kinds of laws are catalyst for federal action. If these kinds of hate laws were not so damaging to a free society, they would be comical, although in a dark sort of way. I'm not entirely confident that the federal government is all that just, however. Any court decision is going to be close, I think. And any laws the Feds might pass to prevent further discrimination will not be slam dunks. There is a lot of stupidity, religious as well as naturally impaired at all levels of government. The very fact that this stuff will end up being debated and drawn out does not inspire a great deal of confidence.
Quote from: Johan on March 27, 2015, 06:08:56 PM
And I think it applies well in this case. We need states to pass idiotic laws like this. Because only then will we get to a place where the federal government will be forced to make discrimination of homosexuals illegal everywhere. Plus I'm a fan of obscure references. Sue me.
Wow, me too. Must be atheist/intellectual trait. Or not.
Quote from: Mermaid on March 28, 2015, 08:40:11 AM
For the record, I had to ask what the connection was, too, and I'm his wife--I should know how his brain thinks better than anyone.
How many people here already knew that? That seems like an important piece of personal information, although I don't know why. I guess I just like knowing this stuff.
Knew what? That we are married? Or about the cannibal guy? :)
Quote from: Mermaid on March 28, 2015, 10:36:04 AM
Knew what? That we are married? Or about the cannibal guy? :)
About the marriage.
http://news.yahoo.com/look-widely-criticized-indiana-law-114514606.html
Video: Press Conference with Governor Pence defending the Indiana Law. He is adamant that the law does not allow business to discriminate against anyone, including specifically gays and Lesbians. Nor was that ever the intention of the law. He is also adamant that he does not support any sort of discrimination against anyone. Now he also states that he wants to work with legislators to change the law to "fix" the "imperceptions" about the law. In other words, there is nothing wrong with the law. It's just misperceived. Therefore he wants to change the law. Does this sound like bullshit to anyone?
OK, I have not read the law, but I've certainly read a lot about it, and the idea of legalizing discrimination as a protection of religious freedom seems to be the whole point of the law. Nor have I heard the religious right object to that perception.
I'll give the Gov points for remaining cool, even while making contradictory statements that, in my opinion, totally discredit himself. I couldn't do that with a straight face. He's good. Behind the straight face, he certainly must be surprised at the backlash. But I have to wonder how stupid a politician would have to be to be surprised in this situation.